Considering we have a (scum) PT Cop in the setup, the Neighborizer not actually getting their PT link until they successfully target someone is an interaction that matters - and if so I'd rather use a Traffic Analyst
I intended on the PT Cop to get a positive result on the Backup Neighborizer even if the Backup Neighborizer is "inactive", but that would require the PT to exist from the beginning of the game.
If Neighborhood PTs that belong to a Neighborizer don't exist until the Neighborizer targets someone, it will be more clear looking within the setup to use a Traffic Analyst instead as those will get negative results on a PT of 1 anyway.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
considering how Backup Neighbor works, Backup Neighborizer is likely being used in a non-standard way here (since backup neighbor doesn't have a PT until they back up, while the Role PM for the backup neighborizer here has backup modify only the neighborize part of the ability). I'll change the setup.
Setup:
Daytalk enabled
Inherent multitasking disabled
Full scum information enabled (this means scum know each other's Role PMs and can therefore submit their personal actions in their PTs)
17 Players
Mafia Traffic Analyst
Mafia Alien
Mafia 1-shot Combined Ninja Strongman
Mafia Goon
Town Watcher
Town Strongman-Finder
Town Night 1/2 Loyal Neighborizer
Town 1-shot Ascetic
Town Roaming Doctor
Town Backup Neighborizer
Town Bodyguard
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
This game is confirmed in signups to contain only Town and Mafia alignments.
Backup Neighborizer gets PT when they back up.
[quote="In post 14, TemporalLich"]Role PMs for revised variant of setup with altered Mafia Goon sample Role PM:
Spoiler:
Results PMs:
Traffic Analyst:
Positive -
{target}
may communicate privately.
Negative -
{target}
may not communicate privately.
No Result - Your traffic analysis on
{target}
has failed and you have received No Result.
Watcher:
Positive -
{target}
was targeted by {other_targets}.
Negative -
{target}
was targeted by no one.
No Result - Your watch on
{target}
has failed and you have received No Result.
Strongman-Finder:
Positive -
{target}
is a Strongman.
Negative -
{target}
is not a Strongman.
No Result - Your Strongman-find on
{target}
has failed and you have received No Result.
Neighborizer:
You have been added to {neighborizer}'s neighborhood! Your Private Topic is here: [redacted]
As for actual enforcement, I assume leniency is still allowed and therefore honest mistakes should get friendly reminders, not force replacements.
Rules
(Adapted from northsidegal with some edits)
General
-Adhere to all site rules.
-Always play to win.
-Remember that this is a game - heated discussion is allowed, but personal attacks are not.
-Pretending to break the rules will be treated similarly as actually breaking the rules.
-Do not quote any out of game communication regarding this game - this includes but is not limited to your role PM, any PTs you have access to, and any other PMs I may send you.
-If you need to get my attention, please include "
@mod
" in your post or PM me.
-
This
(#0080FF) is my mod color. You can use it, if you want.
-
This
(#80FF00) is my mod color in PTs. You can use it, if you want.
-Do not use encryption, hidden text or excessively small text in your posts.
-Do not use any form of provable randomness. This includes dice tags, screenshots of random.org, etc. Saying you flipped a coin is okay, providing some sort of proof that you did isn’t.
-Day 1 will last for 14 days and all further days will last for 10 days, with night phases lasting 48 hours.
-Everyone can agree to a Fast Night to end the night earlier.
-Do not post in the game thread or any private topics following your death, with the exception of the dead thread. You may post a single contentless "Bah!" post however.
-If you have the ability to edit your posts, do not do so.
-My decisions are final. If I feel you are violating any of the rules, I will take the appropriate action.
-Speculating about why people replaced out is considered angleshooting and is discouraged.
-Try to spoiler animated GIFs and videos. Using images or videos as "serious" content is discouraged.
-Do not use the L-word. Alternatives include eliminate, exile, and execute. See this post for the mafiascum mod team's stance on the L-word.
-As a general principle, whenever moderator action is required I will attempt to make the decision that has the least impact on the natural flow of gameplay. For example, force replacing instead of modkilling whenever possible.
-Have fun!
Voting
-All votes and unvotes must be in
bold
or in VOTE: vote tags, with vote tags being preferable.
-Votes in spoilers and quotes will not be counted.
-Abbreviations and nicknames are acceptable, as long as I can understand them.
-Exiles will occur when a majority (>50%) is reached. If no majority is reached before deadline, the day will end in a no elimination.
-Voting to end the day in a no-elimination requires only 50% of players, not >50%.
-Once a hammer has occurred, the game is in "twilight". Discussion may continue until I lock the thread but no further votes or unvotes will be counted.
Activity
-You are expected to make at least one game-relevant post every 40 hours. Players who go 40 hours without posting will be prodded.
-If you are prodded, you have 24 hours to post in-thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours, you will be replaced. Additionally, if I have to prod you 3 or more times, you will be replaced at my own discretion.
-Abuse of prod dodges will result in you being replaced at my own discretion.
-If you are going to be V/LA, please announce it in thread or PM me. If your V/LA will last 7 days or longer I may be forced to replace you. You may declare periodic V/LA (e.g. weekend V/LA).
-If you do not send me an action for the night, I will assume that you are not taking one.
Game Notes
-This is a Normal Game. Roles may only be from that list.
-At least one player has received the sample Vanilla Townie Role PM.
-This setup is guaranteed to contain only Town and Mafia alignments.
-All Private Topics have daytalk enabled.
-Scum do not have inherent multitasking.
-Scum are informed fully, they know each other's roles and may submit actions via PT.
-Sample VT and Mafia Goon Role PMs are listed here:
updating the L-word banning rule to discourage LyLo/MyLo
Rules
(Adapted from northsidegal with some edits)
General
-Adhere to all site rules.
-Always play to win.
-Remember that this is a game - heated discussion is allowed, but personal attacks are not.
-Pretending to break the rules will be treated similarly as actually breaking the rules.
-Do not quote any out of game communication regarding this game - this includes but is not limited to your role PM, any PTs you have access to, and any other PMs I may send you.
-If you need to get my attention, please include "
@mod
" in your post or PM me.
-
This
(#0080FF) is my mod color. You can use it, if you want.
-
This
(#80FF00) is my mod color in PTs. You can use it, if you want.
-Do not use encryption, hidden text or excessively small text in your posts.
-Do not use any form of provable randomness. This includes dice tags, screenshots of random.org, etc. Saying you flipped a coin is okay, providing some sort of proof that you did isn’t.
-Day 1 will last for 14 days and all further days will last for 10 days, with night phases lasting 48 hours.
-Everyone can agree to a Fast Night to end the night earlier.
-Do not post in the game thread or any private topics following your death, with the exception of the dead thread. You may post a single contentless "Bah!" post however.
-If you have the ability to edit your posts, do not do so.
-My decisions are final. If I feel you are violating any of the rules, I will take the appropriate action.
-Speculating about why people replaced out is considered angleshooting and is discouraged.
-Try to spoiler animated GIFs and videos. Using images or videos as "serious" content is discouraged.
-Do not use the L-word. Alternatives include eliminate, exile, and execute. See this post for the mafiascum mod team's stance on the L-word.
-As an extension to the previous rule, the terms LyLo and MyLo are discouraged. Alternatives include ELo/MeLo and LiLo/MiLo.
-As a general principle, whenever moderator action is required I will attempt to make the decision that has the least impact on the natural flow of gameplay. For example, force replacing instead of modkilling whenever possible.
-Have fun!
Voting
-All votes and unvotes must be in
bold
or in VOTE: vote tags, with vote tags being preferable.
-Votes in spoilers and quotes will not be counted.
-Abbreviations and nicknames are acceptable, as long as I can understand them.
-Exiles will occur when a majority (>50%) is reached. If no majority is reached before deadline, the day will end in a no elimination.
-Voting to end the day in a no-elimination requires only 50% of players, not >50%.
-Once a hammer has occurred, the game is in "twilight". Discussion may continue until I lock the thread but no further votes or unvotes will be counted.
Activity
-You are expected to make at least one game-relevant post every 40 hours. Players who go 40 hours without posting will be prodded.
-If you are prodded, you have 24 hours to post in-thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours, you will be replaced. Additionally, if I have to prod you 3 or more times, you will be replaced at my own discretion.
-Abuse of prod dodges will result in you being replaced at my own discretion.
-If you are going to be V/LA, please announce it in thread or PM me. If your V/LA will last 7 days or longer I may be forced to replace you. You may declare periodic V/LA (e.g. weekend V/LA).
-If you do not send me an action for the night, I will assume that you are not taking one.
Game Notes
-This is a Normal Game. Roles may only be from that list.
-At least one player has received the sample Vanilla Townie Role PM.
-This setup is guaranteed to contain only Town and Mafia alignments.
-All Private Topics have daytalk enabled.
-Scum do not have inherent multitasking.
-Scum are informed fully, they know each other's roles and may submit actions via PT.
-Sample VT and Mafia Goon Role PMs are listed here:
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
Traffic analyst is suppos d to get a.positive on mailman. Results PM should be reworded to be more.open to that. "Capable of private communication.
Either use "another player" instead of "a player" in every single role PM, or use "a player" and expect players to know that normal queue mechanics always bar selftargetting. The former is probably better.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
rewriting my Role PMs to say "another player" (I don't see the problem with the Traffic Analyst role PM, "communicate privately" includes Mailman as that is a form of private communication, however the "another player" change makes the TA role PM look strange if I didn't change it)
and thankfully I can do this change without changing the sample Role PMs:
Spoiler:
Results PMs (to make more sense with the changed TA role PM):
Traffic Analyst:
Positive - {target} is capable of private communication.
Negative - {target} is not capable of private communication.
No Result - Your traffic analysis on {target} has failed and you have received No Result.
Watcher:
Positive - {target} was targeted by {other_targets}.
Negative - {target} was targeted by no one.
No Result - Your watch on {target} has failed and you have received No Result.
Strongman-Finder:
Positive - {target} is a Strongman.
Negative - {target} is not a Strongman.
No Result - Your Strongman-find on {target} has failed and you have received No Result.
Neighborizer:
You have been added to {neighborizer}'s neighborhood! Your Private Topic is here: [redacted]
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
I request you do so, it will help yourself later when the game fills
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
In post 42, Isis wrote:I request you do so, it will help yourself later when the game fills
I use a .txt file myself but since you asked I will provide
Large Normal X: Large Normal With No Multiball
Modded by TemporalLich, backup modded by Cook
Reviewed by Isis and northsidegal
Playerlist:
Almost50
Spoiler: Alive
Almost50
Spoiler: Dead
No one... yet.
Rules
(Adapted from northsidegal with some edits)
General
-Adhere to all site rules.
-Always play to win.
-Remember that this is a game - heated discussion is allowed, but personal attacks are not.
-Pretending to break the rules will be treated similarly as actually breaking the rules.
-Do not quote any out of game communication regarding this game - this includes but is not limited to your role PM, any PTs you have access to, and any other PMs I may send you.
-If you need to get my attention, please include "
@mod
" in your post or PM me.
-
This
(#0080FF) is my mod color. You can use it, if you want.
-
This
(#80FF00) is my mod color in PTs. You can use it, if you want.
-Do not use encryption, hidden text or excessively small text in your posts.
-Do not use any form of provable randomness. This includes dice tags, screenshots of random.org, etc. Saying you flipped a coin is okay, providing some sort of proof that you did isn’t.
-Day 1 will last for 14 days and all further days will last for 10 days, with night phases lasting 48 hours.
-Everyone can agree to a Fast Night to end the night earlier.
-Do not post in the game thread or any private topics following your death, with the exception of the dead thread. You may post a single contentless "Bah!" post however.
-If you have the ability to edit your posts, do not do so.
-My decisions are final. If I feel you are violating any of the rules, I will take the appropriate action.
-Speculating about why people replaced out is considered angleshooting and is discouraged.
-Try to spoiler animated GIFs and videos. Using images or videos as "serious" content is discouraged.
-Do not use the L-word. Alternatives include eliminate, exile, and execute. See this post for the mafiascum mod team's stance on the L-word.
-As an extension to the previous rule, the terms LyLo and MyLo are discouraged. Alternatives include ELo/MeLo and LiLo/MiLo.
-As a general principle, whenever moderator action is required I will attempt to make the decision that has the least impact on the natural flow of gameplay. For example, force replacing instead of modkilling whenever possible.
-Have fun!
Voting
-All votes and unvotes must be in
bold
or in VOTE: vote tags, with vote tags being preferable.
-Votes in spoilers and quotes will not be counted.
-Abbreviations and nicknames are acceptable, as long as I can understand them.
-Exiles will occur when a majority (>50%) is reached. If no majority is reached before deadline, the day will end in a no elimination.
-Voting to end the day in a no-elimination requires only 50% of players, not >50%.
-Once a hammer has occurred, the game is in "twilight". Discussion may continue until I lock the thread but no further votes or unvotes will be counted.
Activity
-You are expected to make at least one game-relevant post every 40 hours. Players who go 40 hours without posting will be prodded.
-If you are prodded, you have 24 hours to post in-thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours, you will be replaced. Additionally, if I have to prod you 3 or more times, you will be replaced at my own discretion.
-Abuse of prod dodges will result in you being replaced at my own discretion.
-If you are going to be V/LA, please announce it in thread or PM me. If your V/LA will last 7 days or longer I may be forced to replace you. You may declare periodic V/LA (e.g. weekend V/LA).
-If you do not send me an action for the night, I will assume that you are not taking one.
Game Notes
-This is a Normal Game. Roles may only be from that list.
-At least one player has received the sample Vanilla Townie Role PM.
-This setup is guaranteed to contain only Town and Mafia alignments.
-All Private Topics have daytalk enabled.
-Scum do not have inherent multitasking.
-Scum are informed fully, they know each other's roles and may submit actions via PT.
-Sample VT and Mafia Goon Role PMs are listed here:
Spoiler: Sample Role PMs
Setup:
Daytalk enabled
Inherent multitasking disabled
Full scum information enabled (this means scum know each other's Role PMs and can therefore submit their personal actions in their PTs)
17 Players
Mafia Traffic Analyst
Mafia Alien
Mafia 1-shot Combined Ninja Strongman
Mafia Goon
Town Watcher
Town Strongman-Finder
Town Night 1/2 Loyal Neighborizer
Town 1-shot Ascetic
Town Roaming Doctor
Town Backup Neighborizer
Town Bodyguard
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
This game is confirmed in signups to contain only Town and Mafia alignments.
Backup Neighborizer gets PT when they back up.
Role PMs:
Spoiler:
Results PMs:
Traffic Analyst:
Positive -
{target}
is capable of private communication.
Negative -
{target}
is not capable of private communication.
No Result - Your traffic analysis on
{target}
has failed and you have received No Result.
Watcher:
Positive -
{target}
was targeted by {other_targets}.
Negative -
{target}
was targeted by no one.
No Result - Your watch on
{target}
has failed and you have received No Result.
Strongman-Finder:
Positive -
{target}
is a Strongman.
Negative -
{target}
is not a Strongman.
No Result - Your Strongman-find on
{target}
has failed and you have received No Result.
Neighborizer:
You have been added to {neighborizer}'s neighborhood! Your Private Topic is here: [redacted]
In post 36, Isis wrote:expect players to know that normal queue mechanics always bar selftargetting.
that's something that really ought to be in the Normal Game wiki page to be honest.
I agree. Normally I don't make wiki edits based on things that come up in reviews because I'm hyper paranoid that someone will notice the edit and infer that it was based on a setup, but I've just made this one because even if someone did it wouldn't meaningfully give anything away.
alright, I have posted my /pre-in and open setup info, which are Almost50 and "This game is confirmed in signups to contain only Town and Mafia alignments."
