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[Dwlee99]

What about Lucifer slot?

[Dwlee99]

T3 claimed my role

[Dwlee99]

To try to eat night kill

[Dwlee99]

But anyway, Zyla you should be trying to block the night kill doer tonight if you're town. Don't try to predict who gets killed because a blocked kill is a soft guilty if there isn't a no-kill.

[Dwlee99]

Because it's probably better to just be upfront about what's happening.

[Dwlee99]

Ye that's why I said it felt scummy. I don't like making assumptions based on login timers etc but sometimes it makes sense. I'm gonna ignore it here I think though. Hammer has already happened I think but if you wanna double hammer feel free.

[Dwlee99]

Zyla - jailkeeper
Shrek - Even night traffic analyst with an inno on Taco
T3 - can get result of my action somehow
Dwlee - combined tracker something (guilty on Manatee)
HEM - flipped even-night gunsmith
Lucifer - vigilante

[Dwlee99]

Zyla - jailkeeper (targeted Lucifer N1)
Shrek - Even night traffic analyst with an inno on Taco
T3 - can get result of my action somehow
Dwlee - combined tracker something (guilty on Manatee)
HEM - flipped even-night gunsmith
Lucifer - vigilante

EBWOP

[Dwlee99]

If anyone has a power role they should claim it now or I'm taking me tracking you as a guilty

[Dwlee99]

But this one is real so it's awesome and epic

[Dwlee99]

LOLOLOLOL

[Dwlee99]

If it wasn't clear: I was neighborized N1. T3 told me he was a combined neighborizer detective. I said we should use the detective on Manatee cause I didn't trust her. I'm guessing t3 saw "traffic analyst" and assumed it was town so claimed a guilty I'm actually dead. I thought t3 was town. I feel so stupid.

[Dwlee99]

Kyo is in the neighborhood now so can confirm.

[Dwlee99]

Idk I'm still just dumbfounded at t3's traitor play.

[Dwlee99]

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

Dude knew that manatee was scum like what was he doing.

I want chaos to claim.

[Dwlee99]

*then the scumteam is me taco dwlee shrek*

we have already won I am your traitor

I cc traitor

[Dwlee99]

Read the normal guidelines I posted. He had to know the entire scumteam.

[Dwlee99]

No throwing out window til chaos claims.

[Dwlee99]

I've seen town and mafia have the same role before. Also want to mention that I crumbed masons to Kyo with t3 and didn't end up dead.

[Dwlee99]

Yes but the neighborize occurs at the end of the night.

[Dwlee99]

I crumbed it D2.

[Dwlee99]

Zyla?

[Dwlee99]

But how could I be wrong on a read? Also I'm suspecting two scum left not one.

also if it was zyla, zyla would kill you over anyone going into today considering the last day

Why?

[Dwlee99]

Scum chat: Dwlee is lying about being a tracker because Manatee didn't do the night kill.
Zyla: oh right

[Dwlee99]

Don't really agree but mainly I just want chaos to claim.

[Dwlee99]

I'm assuming mafia targeted him because he claimed a guilty result on someone correctly.

[Dwlee99]

Am I allowed to quote from neighborhoods?

[Dwlee99]

That's unlucky cause your predecessor claimed vigilante.

[Dwlee99]

I'm Vigilante so you may not be around to talk with me about this tomorrow

[Dwlee99]

Zyla I'm not a tracker, I don't have a result on Kyo.

[Dwlee99]

Yes I was trying to eat the night kill by claiming t3 was trying to eat the night kill.

[Dwlee99]

Taco why do you keep assuming 1 group scum. I could see 2 group scum left, in which case Titus isn't clear.

[Dwlee99]

I'm gonna hop on my PC and do all the paraphrasing today cause I might get killed tonight.

[Dwlee99]

Wall post incoming

"Post clump" paraphrase of hood (each line break represents a change of speaker):

Spoiler:

T3 by himself musing about who to hood. He suggest shrek because he thinks they seem townie. Then he muses that maybe Titus is better because they have more experience. He thinks that Pav is scum. He also notes that Taco bringing up a possible mason game is funny because he's close, but it's actually a neighbor game and that makes it unlikely there are masons. He then considers neighborizing Salsa. Doesn't want to talk to Seanzie because Seanzie thinks he is scum and he doesn't know what his read on him is so doesn't want to talk to him. Apologizes to pav for the mislim then says that he townreads Zyla but it would be useful to pick someone from that wagon so he picks me.

I say hello and I'm glad to be neighborized.

A return greeting and saying I was townie.

I ask if the neighborize does anything special/have modifiers and note that I've crumbed neighbors in 906. I also ask for T3's opinion on Taco, Zyla, and Seanzie.

He responds saying that it has modifiers but is mostly useless.

I ask about them/what he learned about me.

He claims the detective neighborize thing. Claims he had to look on the wiki to figure out what it did, says he believes Lucifer's claim because he is a detective, and crumbed detective on some earlier post.

I say he should know what detective is because it was in the recently finished mini normal we played. I express regret for asking about his role because anyone newly neighborized will see it. I also re-ask about his reads on Taco/Zyla/Seanzie.

He explains he was confused about the role because he thought roaming was an inherent part of it (context: previous game had a roaming detective).

I ask if I should help him decide on the next target to neighborize.

He wants input, says maybe Lucifer would be good to neighborize.

I say if we get a good Lucifer replacement it might be good and then say I'm annoyed that we killed Pav because I wanted Zyla dead. A day passes and I ask if he's really a detective.

He responds yes and is confused why I doubt him (lol)

I said his claim was weird and I want to sort him.

He said he got a negative result on me and that if he gets a guilty scum would know anyway. Says I'm obvtown cause I was not on pav (the pocketing skills jeez). The crumb is 729

I say I'm trying to figure out if he should be mech cleared.

He says detective + vig just makes sense.

I say that it doesn't really but mods like doing it for some reason. Also say that he might be a scum detective neighborizer.

He asks why I think that it doesn't make sense.

I talk about how vigilantes self-confirm so it isn't a real false guilty.

He says scum neighborizer is overpowered based on review threads he has used.

I have successfully been pocketed at this point and say we are masons but point out that if it's x-shot it could be scum. Say I'll crumb masons to Kyo.

He's not x-shot so awesome and agrees with mason crumb.

I say Seanzie could pick up on the crumb.

I say Taco is claiming a guilty and I don't know what I'm doing or if Taco is faking it.

T3 expresses confusion.

I ask who he trusts and that I think Seanzie is evil.

He says it wouldn't make sense for taco to claim cop as scum, shrek claims cop makes sense, and he won't CC because detective is weak.

I say I think it is seanzie + we should consider getting shrek in the hood.

He says sure, then manatee.

I said if we check manatee it should be because we want to use the detective check.

He says yes that is what the plan is and express hope taco's guilty wasn't fake.

T3 expresses annoyance at the possibility seanzie flips green.

I complain people fake guilties too much and it's super anti-town. Suggest neighborizing shrek to clear out why they thought there was a cop in the game but realize it could be bad if scum can read it and know Shrek's role later.

T3 says Shrek is blatant town.

He says we should massclaim the next day.

I say maybe he could claim VT unless he gets a guilty or there's another investigative.

He suggests picking Shrek.

I say we should use it for a guilty.

He comes up with a weird plan about claiming informed roles or something to avoid night kills. Says he'll neighborize manatee.

I say we shouldn't cause it makes setup spec too hard.

He reiterates.

I ask if she'll do the night kill. I then say how frustrated I am if taco is town for preventing my preferred elim day one and then faking a guilty.

I confirm we're detectiving manatee. Say if he gets a guilty I could try to claim it and also maybe we can try to spam the neighborhood so manatee doesn't read our plans or anything.

He confirms.

I ask what to talk about to spam.

He says manatee will know it's his hood anyway and he thinks there's a protective.

I say my plan might draw protective away from him so we shouldn't do it.

He wants the speedlim

I say Zyla should choose someone in the pool we setup.

He suggests titus cause we are picking Kyo but scum could plan around it if we say it in thread.

I say Zyla could do the night kill if she's scum and that we might wanna check Shrek just to be sure about their claim and the fact they thought a cop was in the game based on claim didn't make much sense.

He says they are obvtown.

I say new players can be tricky and that I'll be annoyed if our PoE comes up empty and Shrek!scum would be performing the kill.

He says the traffic analyst claim makes sense because of the possibility of fake guilties on hoods.

I say for there to be a vig with an even-night TA + gunsmith + detective would be really strong. Express hope I draw the night kill.

He also expresses hope I get night killed (LOL)

He is going to check Kyo

I agree. I yell to the grave that he tricked me and say hi to Kyo.

Kyo says he thought I was crumbing masons with Shrek for some reason and says he has to stop picking u p on crumbs that don't exist for that because he's always wrong. Asks if I'm a vanilla townie.

I decline to claim but say that if he thought I was masons and I'm not dead it might be a good sign for town!kyo but the kill being on an investigative role makes it plausible.

Kyo makes a face at me (idk how to paraphrase this)

I ask who is evil

Kyo says he wants to reread the hood. Maybe me and shrek cause shrek claimed traffic analyst while I was in the PT with T3 and there is now a flipped scum TA.

I ask how any of this makes sense if I'm scum and why I would kill T3.

Kyo will be back later.

[Dwlee99]

I'm trying to sort Kyo in the hood and I'm not really sure what to make of what is happening in there.

[Dwlee99]

I think he can read that

[Dwlee99]

Kyo seems to think that Shrek and I are the final scum and that I killed t3 despite being in a neighborhood with him since the start of D2.

[Dwlee99]

I can't tell if you're scum going for the most ridiculous solve ever or if you're town who actually believes what you are saying. There were at least 9 hours between when Manatee was selected to be the check and night end (given I talked with t3 at multiple points in that time) so I could have switched actions.

[Dwlee99]

I also was the one who suggested using it on Manatee first which makes this all the more ridiculous

[Dwlee99]

Starting to think you might have been chosen hoping that I die last night, you're safe from the TA and t3 can claim to you.

[Dwlee99]

Unless 2 scum are left taco and you are mech clear.

[Dwlee99]

If we have two scum left tomorrow is ELO, not day 6.

[Dwlee99]

I've forgotten, has everyone claimed?

[Dwlee99]

I think I should assume one scum left because otherwise t3 could have just done literally anything else to win day 3 because it would have been ELO. Under that assumption, taco and Titus have to be clear because they couldn't have been cleared by a buddy. I am near certain Shrek is town and they have to provide a result for us tomorrow. That leaves Kyo/Zyla/Chaos.

I think t3 knew that his way to winning this was to hope his buddy didn't kill him but instead killed me, and then in the neighborhood he could claim to them and organize to win together with the fact that t3 was "confirmed."

This lines up with Kyo's play today - Kyo needs to get 3 miselims to win in a row, and so positioning to kill Zyla and Chaos isn't enough to win. He knows his only real plan then is to get people to believe a completely wack version of events and then try to swing to Zyla and Chaos after that.

[Dwlee99]

I'm intenting to hammer this, barring someone not having claimed a role yet that they should before tomorrow.

[Dwlee99]

Shrek check Zyla imo.

[Dwlee99]

Actually check me or chaos if the game doesn't end because T3 interactions are making me feel like my Zyla read was probably wrong
VOTE: Kyouko

[Dwlee99]

Actually actually check any of me/Chaos/Zyla

[Dwlee99]

If Kyo is dead TA should show I'm not able to communicate with anyone living.

[Dwlee99]

If Zyla is clear we would get chaos I think.

[Dwlee99]

Cause Titus can't be evil if Zyla isn't?

[Dwlee99]

Er right Titus could be ascetic idk I'm hoping this just flips red.

[Dwlee99]

Why in the everliving fuck would t3 let me kill them if I was their scum buddy?

[Dwlee99]

The way dwlee speaks is slipping they know game wont end

My hesitation is because Kyo did stuff after hammer which doesn't make sense if scum.

[Dwlee99]

Your theory here is that I let t3 check manatee without killing him, but then decided after he got that guilty now he needs to die. I could have killed him N2 before he even checked Manatee. And if at any point he wanted he could have decided to out himself as traitor to me in a billion different ways.

[Dwlee99]

Like maybe the fact that only I knew he claimed detective and Manatee flipped a power role that probably doesn't kill at night would have tipped me off to him being the traitor.

[Dwlee99]

And Kyo's theory, that I am teamed with Shrek, makes negative sense because I advocated for checking Shrek last night instead of Kyo

[Dwlee99]

Kyo read the neighborhood I was in. Like there is zero way in that neighborhood that t3 has me as his buddy and things happen that way.

[Dwlee99]

Now the logical deduction here is that Kyo is scum trying to play on the technically possible to win but because I don't honestly think town looks at the game state or that neighborhood and thinks t3 and I could be aligned

[Dwlee99]

T3 was a traitor combined rolecop neighborizer that neighborized me night 1 and claimed to be a combined detective neighborizer. He then fake claimed a detective guilty on Manatee D3 and got night killed by his buddies the next night. What else are you missing Titus?

[Dwlee99]

Sorry Zyla. Glad it worked out despite some bad reads of mine. Gg everyone

[Dwlee99]

Greg the egg? Lol you really thought we were masons, huh?