Open 819 | The Mindmeld Theory | Postgame

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Datisi uses lowercase letters when he's scum.

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I propose that the stronger town players stay in game even if its apparant they are probably town so they can be the ones to leave in an endgame situation where we need to be careful

lolscum

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Pooky will you be my soul scumpartner?

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I wonder what constitutes a strong town player.

Name starts with s ends in kitter30.

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I wonder what constitutes a strong town player.

Name starts with s ends in kitter30.

Do you believe no one else at this table to be impactful as town?

It was kind of a joke.

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Pooky will you be my soul scumpartner?

Back off.

Ok

seal food

Penguin.

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ok

why is my intro scummy in this new context?

Initially i thought: oh self trusts are legal but scum wouldnt want to do that since then they's be out of the game (was thinking abt trusts like flips)

And then pooky pointed out that scum wanted to leave, so i thought it made it scummier because (if self-trusts are legal) than dats doing so would be making it that much likelier to happen, esp if anybody is in a meme-y mood.

Now that i know that self trusts arent legal, i think your entrance is basically nai

(Sorry for my brain being convoluted >.>)

I had basically the same thought process when reading the thread. Tbh I think skitter might be good but there's a specific tell I'm looking for.

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I wonder what constitutes a strong town player.

Name starts with s ends in kitter30.

Do you believe no one else at this table to be impactful as town?

It was kind of a joke.

“Kind of.”

But it kind of wasn’t?

As in that skitter is a good player.

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I have a plan. I will say who I won't trust for the time being.

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I have a plan. I will say who I won't trust for the time being.

I'm not going to trust skitter for reasons.

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I wonder what constitutes a strong town player.

Name starts with s ends in kitter30.

Do you believe no one else at this table to be impactful as town?

It was kind of a joke.

“Kind of.”

But it kind of wasn’t?

As in that skitter is a good player.

I think the sentiment that pinged me enough to ask about kind of was that it feels like a nervous way of stating it was tongue in cheek.

That's fair.

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currently my plan is to make Ich/Dats trust each other so if they r S/S the game is over and if they are T/T then I get to look for other baddies

Ich Dats what do you think of my plan?

If they're t/s.

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skitter is obvious town.
I will not trust fall skitter despite that.

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skitter is obvious town.
I will not trust fall skitter despite that.

Why

I'm looking for a specific tell that (as far as I've seen) is rarely used but works.

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Hey all!

regular vla on fridays and Saturdays

Dats i naively sort of want to think that's a townie thing to do (after all would scum take the risk etc etc etc) except i sorta think that yes, you would take that risk as scum >.>

And would maybe do that purposefully as scum >.>

There was almost "extra wording" that made this post towny to me. Like scum usually doesn't feel the ned to clariy naively or purposefully.

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Ich, why specifically is skitter town? This will help me determine who you should pair with.

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ok i actually looked at vulture's iso for more than 5 seconds, and all/most their posts feel like posting for the sake of posting, like arguing theory or semantics or whatever

@ich, what made you want to include them in the initial trust fall?

This post pings me weirdly. Hard to articulte further.

pedit: I'm getting the same ping again so my read might be confbias or playstyle.

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p-edit: What expectations do you have of me early game to assume I would jump in straight to reads?

arguing mech / semantics / setup strategy is a thing scum often does because it's posting and presence but it's actively stopping game progress. i don't have any meta on you to know if you do that as town or not, this is a general read.

Mechtalk
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NAI

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Are you sure you're not townreading Penguin just for the gifs?

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Ich, why specifically is skitter town? This will help me determine who you should pair with.

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I just reread the thread.

POOKY AND PENGUINPOWER ARE BOTH ALMOST 100% TOWN AND SHOULD TRUST EACH OTHER

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Please trust me on this one. Pooky is independently gutvibes towny and Penguin is null other than the specific thing I noticed.

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nightkill pooky

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Pairs:
Pooky and PenguinPower
Also, SS and obvious DkKoba alt Ich Troje should never be a pair.

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Me and Datisi sould never bea pair and to a lesser extent me and skitter.

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Pairs:
Pooky and PenguinPower
Also, SS and obvious DkKoba alt Ich Troje should never be a pair.

why are these a thing

The tell.

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I'VE FIGURED THIS OUT.

TRUST: Something_Smart

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The tell. I'll say it in twilight but SS is very very very town to me.

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Like... when I'm reading the thread and I get the same thoughts and gut feeling as someone else. I have no reason as scum to confirm the universal null read SS as town.

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Given the flavor I'd say there's probably confbias in this read but now that SS is almost conftown then go for it!

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Given the flavor I'd say there's probably confbias in this read but now that SS is almost conftown then go for it!

What? Who is this directed toward?

No one. The go for it was a general statement.

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My earlier read probably had confirmation bias.Now S S is confirmed town.

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That might be the wrong word? I was really looking hard for that specific tell, found it, then trusted SS. BC I was looking hard for that specific tell it's possible I was grasping at straws.

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Unless SS is being very stupid = confirmed town.

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You were metareading s_s as town and so gambled a losing move that lucked out.

Cool.

Notmeta.

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Having a similar gut reaction or thought off the top of your head to another player.

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Dats is dead null.

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Scum can't fake a genuine emotional reaction to posts that town also fell.

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Srs read on Ich?

arguing mech / semantics / setup strategy is a thing scum often does because it's posting and presence but it's actively stopping game progress.

How often does this tell actually work?

These on a reread.

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Do the town overlords agree with this trust?

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T3 who are the town overlords?

Me.

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Unless I suddenly grew a massive pair of balls overnight this is something I never do as scum.

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I'm town.
So skitter trusts SS and Umlaut trusts me?

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I'm town :¢

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I'm town.
So skitter trusts SS and Umlaut trusts me?

Ss is def going before you, and you probably aren't getting trusted at all at this rate

How can I redem myself?

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They are Koba right?

Yeah. I knew after there were 3 emojis used in a row.

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Nope, but Peng and Pooky are town together.

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I'm not sure what I can do. I'm not opposed to ss accepting. Datisi is kind-of-lean town as in I probably wouldn't trust but if others have a good read on him then go for it.

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I support the trust.

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What now?

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A50 is probably good to keep in the PoE. Datisi my positions haven't changed. skitter and ich are very town.

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He's not.

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why....

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Trust Vulture.

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Wait I missed a lot.

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Got it.
Me A50 someone someon in f4 then?

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No.

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What if we try to get wolves to trust?

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TF?

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Scum trying to get a fast way out of the poe because I townread them.

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trust:skitter

leaving this, we can discuss rest of day since we have time.

if skitter were to flip scum tho - trust me on my t3 read.

I probably dont want to take this >.>

Don't.

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you've not played a lot with T3 scum then lol

We just finished a game. Ich's read on me looks like blatant pocketing but valid reasons.

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which game are you talking about T3?

Mini Normal: FIA WRC. Ich=DkKoba=Taco Hemingway

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trust: a50

Of the remainder i townread pooky the most

Good ig????

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which game are you talking about T3?

Mini Normal: FIA WRC. Ich=DkKoba=Taco Hemingway

how did you know Ich was Koba?

Really obvious by writing style.

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t3 isn't *technically* clear but they don't townread me and thats going to be a headache on an a50 scumflip

I'm not accepting. I can just trust Pooky.

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which game are you talking about T3?

Mini Normal: FIA WRC. Ich=DkKoba=Taco Hemingway

how did you know Ich was Koba?

Really obvious by writing style.

you sure it's not because you are in a scum pt with them and they introduced themselves?

Nah I knew by like page 3 in that other game after they mentioned epicmafia.

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Assuming skitter hasn't pocketed the entire playerlist it's throwing for A50 not to accept as either alignment.

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if i lose to scum t3 again im blaming you skitter

You won that game after my own scumteam nightkilled me.

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TRUST:Pooky

I don't see any better option tbh

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Can t3 be scum with ich? Just to check

Theoretically but it would be a stupid play.

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untrust: t3

Why are you doing this again?

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Oh wait I'm bad.

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Thinking about this:

Ich!something -> T3!town -> Pooky!town

So it's autowin if Pooky accepts.

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Yeah. Either way it should be auto. We might want to make Ich/Dats trust to confirm that.

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lol what

A50 trusts skitt, if both town then we win, if one is scum then you trust meand we win.

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I only could have won this game with a miracle

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gg town