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[Jessica Rabbit]

[Jessica Rabbit]

hi; I just got here (have been travelling)

post 24 makes excallq look very suspicious

ill do RQS in a few hours when i have computer accessability

This is a first, promising to do RQS later. Why RQS?

[Jessica Rabbit]

cw357 and Jessica Rabbit were prodded.

Here now. Is future RQS guy getting replaced?

[Jessica Rabbit]

cw357 and Jessica Rabbit were prodded.

Here now. Is future RQS guy getting replaced?

I s2g if he comes back and prodges again I’m making him the policy elim

I would probably vote him except he hasn’t been online since then but idk why but in most games it’s scum who do RQS.

[Jessica Rabbit]

DGB, do you or do you not think a miller should claim on D1?

[Jessica Rabbit]

I like egix, jake and vfp the most rn. I didn’t really like DGB’s wanted to lim T3 based on the miller claim. You should only lim a miller claim for the same reasons as anyone else - because you actually think they’re scum and it seemed to me that DGB’s sole reason for pushing T3 was the claim. If she gave other reasons for this, I don’t recall.

[Jessica Rabbit]

DGB, do you or do you not think a miller should claim on D1?

Of course.

Does that make miller a great claim for scum to hide behind? Yes/no

You read the player apart from the claim. You don’t scumread them solely based on that, so it’s nai.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Rannygazoo is super town.

Jessica is scum low-effort parroting Captain Obvious stuff from the game.

It's worse than unoriginal thinking, it's a complete disinterest in game solving. It's so timid, like trying so hard not to draw attention that it has the opposite effect. She already knows who the scum is and she's afraid to give them up.

VOTE: Jessica Rabbit

I enjoy giving people whiplash with my votes but I cannot imagine anything scummier than that aside from a confession with the names of the buddies and the mod having to shut the game

How is it remotely scummy to want to actually parse a player as opposed auto scumreading for a claim?

[Jessica Rabbit]

Rannygazoo is super town.

Jessica is scum low-effort parroting Captain Obvious stuff from the game.

It's worse than unoriginal thinking, it's a complete disinterest in game solving. It's so timid, like trying so hard not to draw attention that it has the opposite effect. She already knows who the scum is and she's afraid to give them up.

VOTE: Jessica Rabbit

I enjoy giving people whiplash with my votes but I cannot imagine anything scummier than that aside from a confession with the names of the buddies and the mod having to shut the game

Or maybe Jessèca hasn't been paying much attention to the game (which explains why they got prodded) so they gave out something quick and dirty so that theybwouldn't get repped.

I don’t think someone auto be scumread for claiming miller unless they’ve actually done something scummy.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Roden is town by meta.

Meta is rubbish.

No

[Jessica Rabbit]

Well isn't that interesting that it was YOU who brought up the topic.

Now - who else talked about traitors soon after you did and was really convinced?

Name and quote please.

Rodan, 148.
T3, 149.

OK

• Jake said the traitor discourse "came out of nowhere"
  
• It turns out Jake himself started up the traitor discourse.
  
• Jake proposed that the scum "
  accidentally said it out out
  " referring to a traitor.
  
• It was, in fact, Jake himself who
  accidentally said it out loud
  .
  
• In post viewtopic.php?p=12821352#p12821352, Jake tries exaggerate my involvement by ignoring that...
  
• ...
  Rodan
  and
  T3
  had bought into the existence of a traitor, so a total of three players were gung ho on traitors before I came in with an eyeroll.

My question to everyone is,

Is Jake tunneling or is it a fake scum case?

We've already been over this. The context of

WHY

it came up matters:

The DGB Traitor scenario isn't really that simple either. I commented that despite DGB coming off as anti-town, I wasn't necessarily reading them as scum. You can see with the posts starting here where Jake and I talk about it and how the logic of the situation made no sense to me until the possibility of the Traitor came up.

So yes, it did come out of nowhere. Because you acted in a way that wasn't AI but absolutely was anti-town, and I didn't understand why. And you didn't simply "roll your eyes", you took the accusation seriously and hard defended yourself.

What's worse is that your posts here are a very desperate "gotcha" attempt on Jake that falls flat with the smallest bit of context. It doesn't change the fact that your behavior rose eye brows and could

potentially

be explained by having the Traitor role.

And just as an aside, yes, we all noticed that you keep trying to move your vote around and hoping another wagon can stick. Why remove your vote off of me if you're scum reading me? Why vote Jessica if you're now trying to catch Jake in a "gotcha" moment?

PEDIT: Jake beat me to it lol

They’re reads/votes in this game are objectively horrible. They want to lim T3 solely based on miller claim. T3 trs you based on meta and dgb just dismisses that. Town looks for reasons to make townreads and dgb just quashes that without any good reason.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I like egix, jake and vfp the most rn. I didn’t really like DGB’s wanted to lim T3 based on the miller claim. You should only lim a miller claim for the same reasons as anyone else - because you actually think they’re scum and it seemed to me that DGB’s sole reason for pushing T3 was the claim. If she gave other reasons for this, I don’t recall.

Can you explain these TRs?

They all seem to be trying to solve and making logical and nuanced reads. That usually comes from town.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Rannygazoo is super town.

Jessica is scum low-effort parroting Captain Obvious stuff from the game.

It's worse than unoriginal thinking, it's a complete disinterest in game solving. It's so timid, like trying so hard not to draw attention that it has the opposite effect. She already knows who the scum is and she's afraid to give them up.

VOTE: Jessica Rabbit

I enjoy giving people whiplash with my votes but I cannot imagine anything scummier than that aside from a confession with the names of the buddies and the mod having to shut the game

I have said nothing about Rany. In fact it’s probably one of the reasons I’m hesitating voting you, so why would you include that in a post where you’re voting me?

[Jessica Rabbit]

I like Jessica Rabbit as town.

Well, Titus is right and you’re wrong. Which means, I probably won’t be trusting your reads. What have I done that’s scummy? Do you tr dgb and why?

[Jessica Rabbit]

Saying you won't trust my reads and then asking for my reads? Really makes you think.

I KNOW that you’re wrong about me so that means I’m not allowed to ask you about yours?

And answer my question. You’re just shading me without giving a single reason. What have I done that’s remotely scummy?

[Jessica Rabbit]

I like egix, jake and vfp the most rn.

Can you explain these TRs?

They all seem to be trying to solve and making logical and nuanced reads. That usually comes from town.

I guess I wanted to see reasons to townread them backed up by evidence, not a vague statement you could say about anyone. These are such boring, uncontroversial townreads on players who aren't really on my radar. VFP is the dophin, right? Who is egix?

They’re reads/votes in this game are objectively horrible. They want to lim T3 solely based on miller claim. T3 trs you based on meta and dgb just dismisses that. Town looks for reasons to make townreads and dgb just quashes that without any good reason.

This feels like bandwagonning. It feels like you're trying to make it looks like you have opinions without having them stand out.

I thought it was bad that they wanted to lim T3 solely based on a miller claim. Is there some reason you haven’t commented on that? Do you not have an opinion?

[Jessica Rabbit]

To add to ^, I'm townreading most of the active players, so by PoE, scum must be among the players that I don't notice as much.

Which read are you disagreeing with? I said I liked them the most. It’s obviously not a hardread but egix and especially VFP seem pretty townie. Are you going to explain why you have an issue with this and are you ever planning to respond to any of my questions?

[Jessica Rabbit]

I don't agree with it, but it didn't feel scummy, or even inappropriate for that stage of the game.

dude, they wanted to lim him solely based on claim, not because they have any other reason to sr T3. I don’t know if that’s scummy but it’s definitely bad.

So who do you think is scum? Who do you think I’m wrong on? Let’s start with that.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Instead just saying "I like their posts", can you point to specific things they said that are town-indicative? I want townreads too. Convince me that yours are right.

It’s my current take. I also lean to believing the miller claim. I’m not going to try to convince anyone of anything because the only thing I’m 100% sure of is of course me. I currently think this so rn don’t see any reason to question it unless you think there’s something I’m not seeing. Without flips, I’m in the dark. If you’re expecting any extremely confident reads today, then you will be sorely disappointed.

[Jessica Rabbit]

So who do you think is scum? Who do you think I’m wrong on? Let’s start with that.

I don't have a well-formed opinion on VFP or egix and I find it weird that you do.

I think cw is scum, and then the other two are you and one of VFP or egix. Probably egix since VFP is voting for cw. There, that's my day 1 solve. The game's still young and things can change, but if it turns out I'm right, I will definitely remember.

If you’re going to wrongly scumread me that’s on you. Why do you scumread them? Are you certain cw is scum? He might be. I really have no idea.

If you’re wrong on cw, would that change your egix read? I’m not a fan of excal either. I’m not opposed to cw wagon. He hasn’t done anything town indicative.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Instead just saying "I like their posts", can you point to specific things they said that are town-indicative? I want townreads too. Convince me that yours are right.

It’s my current take. I also lean to believing the miller claim. I’m not going to try to convince anyone of anything because the only thing I’m 100% sure of is of course me. I currently think this so rn don’t see any reason to question it unless you think there’s something I’m not seeing. Without flips, I’m in the dark. If you’re expecting any extremely confident reads today, then you will be sorely disappointed.

Noted that there's absolutely nothing behind your townreads.

I already told you those were my current takes. Why are you trying to wed me to them? I make one post saying I like certain players and you’re acting like I’ve already locktowned them.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Does that make miller a great claim for scum to hide behind? Yes/no

Only if they know there isn't a real miller.

Cw was prodded six times in our last game.

How does that even happen... I thought it was a three-strike system?

Ranny, did cw flip scum in that game?

[Jessica Rabbit]

My egix read is literally only based on scum!JR wanting to put a single scum in her townreads list. It is not based on anything else.

I’m the only JR on this playerlist and I’m definitely not scum. So unless you’re referring to something else, that doesn’t help me at all.

[Jessica Rabbit]

My egix read is literally only based on scum!JR wanting to put a single scum in her townreads list. It is not based on anything else.

I’m the only JR on this playerlist and I’m definitely not scum. So unless you’re referring to something else, that doesn’t help me at all.

You're the one who put egix in your townreads! Why do you need my help to justify it?

I said that I currently liked him. Why don’t you just tell me why that’s wrong instead of insisting that I have a hard tr on him. I don’t. So again I’m asking you to explain this read to me. Are you always this frustrating?

[Jessica Rabbit]

I am posting because it will look suspicious if I don't.

I mean hello everyone.

Sus but not scum tell yet

I have no self-awareness at all, scummy or otherwise.

Is this scummy self-awareness too?

I am posting because it will look suspicious if I don't.

I mean hello everyone.

shouldn’t I have towny self-awareness. VOTE: excallq

i dont think scum is likely to flip flop like that but i agree that they dont show a great agenda

Maybe he's nervous.

VOTE: Rannygazoo

Ig I’ll look at ranny gut read is w/v or v/w

these are pretty bad votes.

[Jessica Rabbit]

VOTE: cw

[Jessica Rabbit]

Random early (probably more than half wrong) reads on some folks.

cw: Can't really get a sense of whether or not the inactivity is tactical but the vote for me feels like it was a "safe" one in that he could just point to my earlier less-than-supremely-serious posts without having to provide much in the way of explanation or logic behind the vote, and since there wasn't any momentum behind eliminating me it wouldn't garner so much attention.

T3: Leaning towards believing the roleclaim

Jessica Rabbit: Feels like she's trying to project helpful

Ranny: Think he's been happier just getting in minor spats since attention has shifted to DGB and CW. Keeping my vote on him.

Roden: Kind of agreed with whoever said the tiff with Ranny seemed staged but he's been feeling more town lately.

DGB: Has been pushing back in a lot of directions and kinda flailing. To me it reads more purely aggressive than overtly scummy but I don't have a read on him as town either.

Anyone I didn't list I don't have a solid read on at all (insofar as any of these are remotely solid)

I’m not a fan of this. If your take on me is that I’m being helpful then where is the shade coming from? It’s akin to claiming a player who is very clearly doing townie things is trying to look like they are but not really. The only thing I actually don’t hate about these posts is your take on T3. Why because these takes with the sole exception of the T3 read don’t make a lot of sense as a whole.

Considering that one of the “spats” Ranny got into was with me, why would you shade both of us here? It seems really clear that you’re scumreading Ranny and don’t think we’re aligned, so I don’t understand the thought process behind any of it besides the T3 thing.

Ranny’s push on me was objectively silly but I don’t think he’s scum here. I’m pretty good at detecting scummy pushes on me versus confibiased town. I don’t know if cw is scum but the metacase Ranny presented from cw’s prior game seemed pretty compelling.

[Jessica Rabbit]

ranny sus he push me bcuz inactive
iso time

Why are you different in this game than your towngame where you posted lots of content and reads?

You have promised you’re going to do stuff but all I’ve seen so far is just excuses.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Random early (probably more than half wrong) reads on some folks.

cw: Can't really get a sense of whether or not the inactivity is tactical but the vote for me feels like it was a "safe" one in that he could just point to my earlier less-than-supremely-serious posts without having to provide much in the way of explanation or logic behind the vote, and since there wasn't any momentum behind eliminating me it wouldn't garner so much attention.

T3: Leaning towards believing the roleclaim

Jessica Rabbit: Feels like she's trying to project helpful

Ranny: Think he's been happier just getting in minor spats since attention has shifted to DGB and CW. Keeping my vote on him.

Roden: Kind of agreed with whoever said the tiff with Ranny seemed staged but he's been feeling more town lately.

DGB: Has been pushing back in a lot of directions and kinda flailing. To me it reads more purely aggressive than overtly scummy but I don't have a read on him as town either.

Anyone I didn't list I don't have a solid read on at all (insofar as any of these are remotely solid)

I’m not a fan of this. If your take on me is that I’m being helpful then where is the shade coming from? It’s akin to claiming a player who is very clearly doing townie things is trying to look like they are but not really.

I said my read on you was that you were trying to project the image of being helpful. This is different from and independent of actually being helpful.

The only thing I actually don’t hate about these posts is your take on T3. Why because these takes with the sole exception of the T3 read don’t make a lot of sense as a whole.

Considering that one of the “spats” Ranny got into was with me, why would you shade both of us here? It seems really clear that you’re scumreading Ranny and don’t think we’re aligned, so I don’t understand the thought process behind any of it besides the T3 thing.

I said nothing about you being aligned with Ranny or not. Curious why it seems to clear to you think I have that opinion.

Yes and it’s an extremely bizarre take. It looks like you want to shade me without any basis that makes any sense. What does that even mean? How is it even possible to “project helpfulness” and not actually be helpful? Why are you curious? you were shading both of us.

[Jessica Rabbit]

im the town doc
i can only doc town
this might be useful in combination with a vig but it looks like it's too late

I've been inactive because I had a bunch of end-ofschool year stuff and minimal time to access the thread
that's the meta difference
please don't hang tho bcuz i can contribute ur literally just pling me because im inactive

UNVOTE:

[Jessica Rabbit]

town loyal doctor

im a doctor but doc action only works if i target town

This claim is believable, it doesn’t look like something scum would fakeclaim.

[Jessica Rabbit]

exal tell me why I should tr you because this project helpfulness nonsense looks like straight up bs scum shade to me.

So I want to hear your actual reasoning behind it before I decide on that.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Random early (probably more than half wrong) reads on some folks.

cw: Can't really get a sense of whether or not the inactivity is tactical but the vote for me feels like it was a "safe" one in that he could just point to my earlier less-than-supremely-serious posts without having to provide much in the way of explanation or logic behind the vote, and since there wasn't any momentum behind eliminating me it wouldn't garner so much attention.

T3: Leaning towards believing the roleclaim

Jessica Rabbit: Feels like she's trying to project helpful

Ranny: Think he's been happier just getting in minor spats since attention has shifted to DGB and CW. Keeping my vote on him.

Roden: Kind of agreed with whoever said the tiff with Ranny seemed staged but he's been feeling more town lately.

DGB: Has been pushing back in a lot of directions and kinda flailing. To me it reads more purely aggressive than overtly scummy but I don't have a read on him as town either.

Anyone I didn't list I don't have a solid read on at all (insofar as any of these are remotely solid)

I’m not a fan of this. If your take on me is that I’m being helpful then where is the shade coming from? It’s akin to claiming a player who is very clearly doing townie things is trying to look like they are but not really.

I said my read on you was that you were trying to project the image of being helpful. This is different from and independent of actually being helpful.

The only thing I actually don’t hate about these posts is your take on T3. Why because these takes with the sole exception of the T3 read don’t make a lot of sense as a whole.

Considering that one of the “spats” Ranny got into was with me, why would you shade both of us here? It seems really clear that you’re scumreading Ranny and don’t think we’re aligned, so I don’t understand the thought process behind any of it besides the T3 thing.

I said nothing about you being aligned with Ranny or not. Curious why it seems to clear to you think I have that opinion.

Yes and it’s an extremely bizarre take. It looks like you want to shade me without any basis that makes any sense. What does that even mean? How is it even possible to “project helpfulness” and not actually be helpful? Why are you curious? you were shading both of us.

The bizarre takes are that me getting vaguely evil whiffs off two people means I am positively asserting those two are aligned and that stating you're trying to project helpfulness is some unfathomable concept.

Is there a language barrier? You come off like you're trying to feign being an active pro-town scum-hunter but that you aren't actually helping at all and just stirring up smoke. Which is exactly what you're doing.

VOTE: exallq

[Jessica Rabbit]

ok so strategy idea: idk if i get killed tonight but i can just doc the vig target
so the target dies if they're scum and lives if they aren't

maybe there's an issue with that so pls point it out if there is
I saw something about there being a strongman (idk if it's true i just saw it while scrolling through the thread; forgive me if i took it out of context) so my role isn't even useful against scum kills

No because what’s to stop scum from not shooting there in that case? Probably better to doc someone that is less obvious - either someone you think could be scum or someone you think is town but perhaps there’s some doubt?

But in any case, in case scum have an rb, you probably shouldn’t be making it that obvious.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I personally would just doc my strongest tr and hope scum shoots elsewhere. Scum obviously isn’t going to shoot their own, so if you doc scum and they don’t die, you don’t confirm anything.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Answer me this: What's your current read of Ranny?

...Is this a serious question? I've put pressure on him twice now, and the only person I'm reading as scummier is DGB. I've been pretty open about not trusting Ranny. I'm not full scum reading since he does sound like an exasperated townie, and I could just be making awful reads.

If I wasn't so tunneled on DGB right now, and if I was more liable to make OMGUS votes, I'd probably jump on the Excall wagon. His line of posts doesn't look good and relies on a situation he essentially made up in his head to make work.

If you think I'm scum buddies with Ranny, I'd rather you just make a case than plant seeds for Day 2.

That’s me, perpetual exasperated townie

I genuinely do believe this

So super untrusting of Ranny right up to the point of actually voting for him (which you haven't done and I have) but now you're sure he's town and since I've pressured you you want to vote me instead.

Yeah I'm increasingly comfortable saying both of you are scum.

If you’re take on my slot wasn’t so gross, I could possibly see this coming from town, not that I agree with this take but your answer to me was shit pretty much.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Then vote me and get a wagon going. See if you can get me to reveal if I have a PR or not. If you're not intent on doing this, then I'm comfortable in believing you just want to plant seeds for Day 2.

You're also blatantly trying to get around the fact you fucked up with the scum vs scum claim. If you could honestly deny it, a townie absolutely would by now. Or at the very least, a townie would admit they made a mistake. Why do you keep trying to talk around it?

Yeah, their recent posts seemed to be very superficial takes and I agree with the planting seeds thing. I think they don’t actually believe any of the nonsence they’ve been spewing. They only shaded me AFTER I expressed suspicions on them and when confronted they just double downed on their nonsense shade and made zero attempt to explain it.

I think I feel good with my vote.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Shut the up
VOTE: excallq

*checks rules to see if I’m allowed to say that*
Unclear

Well if it's allowed then presumably "eat a" is also allowed, but if you want me to stop calling out your scum buddy you can just say that.

You’re throwing out shade to too many people when it doesn’t make sense and you haven’t given a satisfactory explanation for your shade on me which appears scum motivated based on the timing.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Answer me this: What's your current read of Ranny?

...Is this a serious question? I've put pressure on him twice now, and the only person I'm reading as scummier is DGB. I've been pretty open about not trusting Ranny. I'm not full scum reading since he does sound like an exasperated townie, and I could just be making awful reads.

If I wasn't so tunneled on DGB right now, and if I was more liable to make OMGUS votes, I'd probably jump on the Excall wagon. His line of posts doesn't look good and relies on a situation he essentially made up in his head to make work.

If you think I'm scum buddies with Ranny, I'd rather you just make a case than plant seeds for Day 2.

That’s me, perpetual exasperated townie

I genuinely do believe this

So super untrusting of Ranny right up to the point of actually voting for him (which you haven't done and I have) but now you're sure he's town and since I've pressured you you want to vote me instead.

Yeah I'm increasingly comfortable saying both of you are scum.

If you’re take on my slot wasn’t so gross, I could possibly see this coming from town, not that I agree with this take but your answer to me was shit pretty much.

You acted and still act like the idea of saying that it seemed you were trying to appear pro-town while not actually being so was just so completely unthinkable that I asked if there was a language barrier because denying the claim was one thing, you were acting like it was something that didn't even make sense to suggest.

What claim did I deny? If you’re not actually scum here, you’re on drugs or something.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Personally I don’t think pre-flip associations are very useful. Considering that your case against me was weak to begin with, your case against everyone you try to pin to me is even weaker.

His takes don’t make sense because part of his case on you was having random spats or something and considering I was one of those people you had a “spat” with, he shouldn’t be doubling down on his nutso read on me and I think town would stop and reevaluate how ridiculous that is, which tells me that he probably really doesn’t believe any of it. I also think that his “buddy” read on Roden for not voting with him also makes no sense either.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Answer me this: What's your current read of Ranny?

...Is this a serious question? I've put pressure on him twice now, and the only person I'm reading as scummier is DGB. I've been pretty open about not trusting Ranny. I'm not full scum reading since he does sound like an exasperated townie, and I could just be making awful reads.

If I wasn't so tunneled on DGB right now, and if I was more liable to make OMGUS votes, I'd probably jump on the Excall wagon. His line of posts doesn't look good and relies on a situation he essentially made up in his head to make work.

If you think I'm scum buddies with Ranny, I'd rather you just make a case than plant seeds for Day 2.

That’s me, perpetual exasperated townie

I genuinely do believe this

So super untrusting of Ranny right up to the point of actually voting for him (which you haven't done and I have) but now you're sure he's town and since I've pressured you you want to vote me instead.

Yeah I'm increasingly comfortable saying both of you are scum.

If you’re take on my slot wasn’t so gross, I could possibly see this coming from town, not that I agree with this take but your answer to me was shit pretty much.

You acted and still act like the idea of saying that it seemed you were trying to appear pro-town while not actually being so was just so completely unthinkable that I asked if there was a language barrier because denying the claim was one thing, you were acting like it was something that didn't even make sense to suggest.

What claim did I deny? If you’re not actually scum here, you’re on drugs or something.

Y'know I'm willing to accept a degree of aggression (obviously) but this is borderline abusive.

We're either unable to communicate or you're pretending that's the case. Either let's take this down a notch or just step back.

How is it “borderline abusive”? What you’re saying about me makes absolutely no sense and you didn’t give me any reason to view it as a townie thought process but just doubled down and refused to even consider how thoroughly ridiculous that take was, so because I think that take is so beyond ludicrous, if you’re not scum it’s hard to imagine an alternative explanation that doesn’t involve some serious inability to accurately read my play in this game.

What I don’t understand is if you were town, why don’t just explain to me why I’m wrong and misreading you? Because you did it right after I said I didn’t like you, so you have motive to shade me for that and of course I’m not giving it any credence because I know you’re wrong, you didn’t explain why or how you arrived ar that conclusion and that kind of take in general is weird and more likely to come from scum than town.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Knock it off, you'all. No need to be rude.

If this is directed to me, then I apologize. Sometimes I’m too honest and just blurt things out without thinking how my words might impact actually someone.

[Jessica Rabbit]

How is it “borderline abusive”?

Fucking read your post back. It's rude as shit and your inability to understand "I think you are feigning being pro-town" as a read is absurd.

I’m sorry for the “drugs” thing but yes I 100% think that’s an - I don’t want to risk being insulting again - so I’ll leave it at just patently absurd because you have given zero explanation for this thought process so why would you expect me to have any other reaction?

Why would I assume that this is a genuine townie thought on your part, when you have given no reasoning behind it?

[Jessica Rabbit]

@excallq how about this: if I were out of the picture and my slot never existed, who would your biggest scumread be?

Are we assuming your disappearance means that your exchange with Roden didn't happen? If so probably CW. I am abundantly skeptical of his roleclaim, (though I would absolutely not push for a day 1 vote of him). Otherwise Roden.

Why are you skeptical of his roleclaim? It’s seems a weird thing to fakeclaim. Why doesn’t he just claim straight up doc?

[Jessica Rabbit]

Loyal is the correct modifier.

maybe we're both wolves

could titus be telling me that to in essence pocket me or whatever
like trying to work into the townclears

it would be a big-brain strategy but not necessarily too far-fetched

i wouldn't mind the idea of the vig targeting titus and ill doc so that kill doesnt go through
although if vig is fakeclaiming it could get screwed up

I really don't get why stating something based off years of experience has been all this AI. Feels like I'm being pocketed.

That would make it odd to pocket me unless I might be the decider and one of the wagons might be on scum.

cw how do you get pocket from this?

[Jessica Rabbit]

How is it “borderline abusive”?

Fucking read your post back. It's rude as shit and your inability to understand "I think you are feigning being pro-town" as a read is absurd.

(*hit submit too early)

you can obviously disagree with it but that's not what you've done, you've repeatedly asserted that it's completely incomprehensible, culminating in you calling it "nutso", and now apparently drug induced.

I don’t see how calling your take “nutso” is abusive since you have not given a single reason for it and why instead of continuing to berate me for this take actually bother to try to explain why and how you think this?

You just keep doubling and tripling down on it which makes me think that this AtE is faked.

[Jessica Rabbit]

How is it “borderline abusive”?

Fucking read your post back. It's rude as shit and your inability to understand "I think you are feigning being pro-town" as a read is absurd.

I’m sorry for the “drugs” thing but yes I 100% think that’s an - I don’t want to risk being insulting again - so I’ll leave it at just patently absurd because you have given zero explanation for this thought process so why would you expect me to have any other reaction?

Why would I assume that this is a genuine townie thought on your part, when you have given no reasoning behind it?

I would expect you not to be rude because we should all expect that.

As for the actual read it's an intuitive one not evidentiary. You came off to me as someone trying to project (by which I mean project outwardly, towards the rest of us, i.e. appear) an image of helpful pro-townness but it didn't ring true. Since that initial read you've come off somewhat differently but let's not get into that.

Calling a read or a take “nutso” isn’t an insult but if it truly offended you, I’m sorry. Okay, so why didn’t it “ring true”? It’s still a really bizarre take but what’s even more bizarre to me is why you would expect me to agree with it or to understand it? Because it doesn’t and still doesn’t make any sense to me and it probably never will, since if you are actually town with this take, there’s no reason for you to expect to have interpreted it differently. I honestly don’t know why you or anyone would?

[Jessica Rabbit]

VOTE: DGB
Cadtsting doubt on the ce claim for no reason.

VOTE: T3

There's no real scum motivation for shading an outed doctor claim, while honestly assessing his content. If DGB is believable that she might vote cw at some point, then it could keep a doctor alive. If she's right, she undermines scum credibility.

If DGB is scum, why shade a town cw with a short shelf life? They could just kill it and no one is the wiser. If it's scum, why attack her teammates credibility which only shortens the lifespan?

You could argue wifom but attacking an outed doctor claim rarely comes from scum.

I think he’s probably wrong on dgb and disagree with this vote but I don’t see why it’s scummy?

[Jessica Rabbit]

@excallq how about this: if I were out of the picture and my slot never existed, who would your biggest scumread be?

Are we assuming your disappearance means that your exchange with Roden didn't happen? If so probably CW. I am abundantly skeptical of his roleclaim, (though I would absolutely not push for a day 1 vote of him). Otherwise Roden.

Why are you skeptical of his roleclaim? It’s seems a weird thing to fakeclaim. Why doesn’t he just claim straight up doc?

Because it looks way less fishy when he doesn't die night one.

Well his accusing Titus of pocketing him made absolutely no sense.

UNVOTE:

[Jessica Rabbit]

It is but I'm not going to out the modifier to ensure that cw has to come up with the answer on their own.

town loyal doctor

im a doctor but doc action only works if i target town

This is town.

Loyal is the correct modifier.

cw came up with loyal before Titus mentioned it.

[Jessica Rabbit]

ill have to check Jessica Rabbit's meta
like when i played my first game i talked kind of like that with convoluted and overly formal language

but if jessica's experienced than it becomes a little bit more meh or sus (see my wonderful descriptive vocabulary )

i should be able to be a little more active from here out because school is over bt

It’s just the way I talk.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I am posting because it will look suspicious if I don't.

I mean hello everyone.

o yea i forgot about this

Having said that, the traitor speculation is complete garbage, why can't they just straight up say I'm scum instead of this roundabout traitor BS?

Cuz scum are more likely to try not to draw so much attention to themselves day one whereas townies are more likely to not call for policy eliminations also day one?

honestly this is wifom
like town can use it too though so it's nai in my book

I have no self-awareness at all, scummy or otherwise.

Is this scummy self-awareness too?

I am posting because it will look suspicious if I don't.

I mean hello everyone.

ok i actually called this out earlier but shouldn't u have towny self-awareness, having no self-awareness sounds like scum trying to obscure their alignment

Random early (probably more than half wrong) reads on some folks.

cw: Can't really get a sense of whether or not the inactivity is tactical but the vote for me feels like it was a "safe" one in that he could just point to my earlier less-than-supremely-serious posts without having to provide much in the way of explanation or logic behind the vote, and since there wasn't any momentum behind eliminating me it wouldn't garner so much attention.

T3: Leaning towards believing the roleclaim

Jessica Rabbit: Feels like she's trying to project helpful

Ranny: Think he's been happier just getting in minor spats since attention has shifted to DGB and CW. Keeping my vote on him.

Roden: Kind of agreed with whoever said the tiff with Ranny seemed staged but he's been feeling more town lately.

DGB: Has been pushing back in a lot of directions and kinda flailing. To me it reads more purely aggressive than overtly scummy but I don't have a read on him as town either.

Anyone I didn't list I don't have a solid read on at all (insofar as any of these are remotely solid)

I’m not a fan of this. If your take on me is that I’m being helpful then where is the shade coming from? It’s akin to claiming a player who is very clearly doing townie things is trying to look like they are but not really.

I said my read on you was that you were trying to project the image of being helpful. This is different from and independent of actually being helpful.

The only thing I actually don’t hate about these posts is your take on T3. Why because these takes with the sole exception of the T3 read don’t make a lot of sense as a whole.

Considering that one of the “spats” Ranny got into was with me, why would you shade both of us here? It seems really clear that you’re scumreading Ranny and don’t think we’re aligned, so I don’t understand the thought process behind any of it besides the T3 thing.

I said nothing about you being aligned with Ranny or not. Curious why it seems to clear to you think I have that opinion.

Yes and it’s an extremely bizarre take. It looks like you want to shade me without any basis that makes any sense. What does that even mean? How is it even possible to “project helpfulness” and not actually be helpful? Why are you curious? you were shading both of us.

The bizarre takes are that me getting vaguely evil whiffs off two people means I am positively asserting those two are aligned and that stating you're trying to project helpfulness is some unfathomable concept.

Is there a language barrier? You come off like you're trying to feign being an active pro-town scum-hunter but that you aren't actually helping at all and just stirring up smoke. Which is exactly what you're doing.

hmm
this interaction didn't sound wolf/wolf but i think one of them's scum so:
there's ur garbage interactions read from cw for 6/11/21
seriously though I'm probably going to be voting for one of them and I'll suggest that we do the whole vig/doc thing on whoever isn't hanged if we don't hit scum

Why are you sussing me based off of this?

[Jessica Rabbit]

VOTE: exallq

I think the way cw keeps talking about his role sounds believable to me.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Seeking a replacement for excallq.

Can we get an extension in that case?

[Jessica Rabbit]

UNVOTE:

[Jessica Rabbit]

exquallq is still my number 1 scumread but unless I’m certain or we’re literally near deadline, I want to see the replacement. I still lean that the AtE seemed overwrought and he was hoping to possibly get towncred for that.

[Jessica Rabbit]

It feels like excalq just summed out rather than be eliminated. It makes me feel the slot is town but gives me a salty taste about it as town reading the slot encourages that behavior and its OOG.

My theory is the reason he got so mad at me was because he knew his read on me was baseless and didn’t know what to do when I thoroughly dismantled it.

And his laying into me was hypocritical since he fired the first shot with the whole “language barrier” thing.

His post to Roden look particularly awful. Unless there’s some actual basis, I’m always highly sus of pre-flip buddy type reads. I don’t think town gets that upset when pushed to explain their reasoning.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Tr on jessica for now, her points about cw I agree with. Titus fails to mention that there is no town motivation behind dgb still not believing cw so I think I'll keep my vote there.

I got my second shot yesterday and as a result of it my JIA is acting up again so I'm just stuck on the couch feeling like shit on the first day of sumer break

I literally just mentioned the town motivation. There's no way you're this dense.

VFP and T3 are currently my strongest townreads. I believed T3’s claim because I think he’s probably town irrespective of it.

With cw, I believe the claim based on what he said about his role but probably wouldn’t be tr him otherwise.

[Jessica Rabbit]

It feels like excalq just summed out rather than be eliminated. It makes me feel the slot is town but gives me a salty taste about it as town reading the slot encourages that behavior and its OOG.

Lucky for me, I don’t know what any of this means. I still think the slot is scum.

I think she means he wanted us to townread the replacement. I think he played up the AtE so it appeared that way.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I think Roden is also town. That kind of ISO rarely comes from scum, which of course makes me even more confident that exqall isn’t.

[Jessica Rabbit]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Jessica Rabbit]

e - 1

I think he’s open wolfing.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Can I hammer Not_Mafia here, to get this troll outta here?

Do you think there’s a snowball’s chance in hell he’s actually town with that entrance? I think it’s extremely obvious he’s scum from that.

[Jessica Rabbit]

On top of exqall already being extremely scummy.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I forgot about this game and my reads were obviously bad.

If scum is still reading this, why was I the N1 kill because you all thought cw would confitown me?