Not Quite Normal Multiball (Game Over)

[mastina]

This is a silly question with an obvious answer.

Bulletproof doesn't say it protects you from being shot, it says it protects you from being killed.

Weren't you a normal game reviewer at one point? Are we supposed to buy that you don't know how bulletproof works?

Normal games also do not differentiate between Mafia as a faction and Werewolf as a faction--masons are absolutely conftown and cannot contain scum, there's no such thing as Monks, cops investigate for town/scum so there's no such thing as a cop that gets guilties on mafia but not on werewolf or a Seer who gets guilties on werewolves yet not mafia.

And yet this game explicitly features those mechanics.

So given that this game features mechanics that actually differentiate mafia from werewolves, and given that mafia use guns and werewolves traditionally use claws/fangs, it actually IS important to ask the mod the distinction between Bulletproof = immune to only guns and Bulletproof = immune to kills during the night.

This game is, explicitly, Not Quite Normal--a bulletproof in a Normal would indeed be immune to all forms of kills. A bulletproof in

this

game cannot just be

assumed

to be immune to all form of kills and thus, we need to ask the mod because it is of vital importance that we know.

[Cephrir]

Spoiler:

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof 1-shot Strongman

Mod: does the werewolf factional nightkill count as being 'shot'?
As in, if the werewolves used their factional nightkill on a player who was bulletproof, would the bulletproof player be immune to the kill?

Is an important point of clarity because of the whole mafia-werewolf separation and what it'd mean for a 1x BP to be killed by the wolves overnight. (If werewolves' factional kill counts for the bulletproof, that means that was a strongman. If werewolves' factional kill doesn't count for the bulletproof, then that has entirely different implications.)

please ask questions via PM

[Celestial Powerhouse]

manatee's last reads list is interesting

for potential werewolf partners I immediately go to her two secondary town read tiers which include: anya, unwnd, taco, morph, kazyan, celestial, petapan, addicts

one pattern in her reads list is that she does a lot of "I think x because Y but they should probably be higher/lower. like she was constantly giving herself wiggle room on all of her reads. my eyebrow is raised a little at the taco and kazyan town reads a little because she had fairly specific reasons for town reading each of them (versus other reads of being like "can't quite remember but generally good stances) and then immediately undercut herself by saying that maybe they belonged a little lower

good post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
take out a couple names and it looks pretty good
Anya, taco, or Kazyan.

-Mister Ocean

[mastina]

Werewolves killing Mafia feels like a misplay kinda. And shooting Ydra? Maybe they thought she was town.

Werewolves know who the town are. They shared a masonry with them.

Ah yes, werewolves sharing a masonry with two town players magically means they know who all the slots in the games' alignments are.

No, the werewolves would not magically know all the town--they'd know who the masons were, but nobody else. They're just as vulnerable to having wrong reads as anyone else.

[mastina]

Spoiler:

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof 1-shot Strongman

Mod: does the werewolf factional nightkill count as being 'shot'?
As in, if the werewolves used their factional nightkill on a player who was bulletproof, would the bulletproof player be immune to the kill?

Is an important point of clarity because of the whole mafia-werewolf separation and what it'd mean for a 1x BP to be killed by the wolves overnight. (If werewolves' factional kill counts for the bulletproof, that means that was a strongman. If werewolves' factional kill doesn't count for the bulletproof, then that has entirely different implications.)

please ask questions via PM

And this is why you ask, folks.

The mod's answer to this question was that bulletproof does

not

apply to the werewolves' factionall kill.

Meaning werewolves do not need a strongman to have killed Ydrasse last night.

Don't believe me? Ask the exact question I did to Cephrir via PM and he will give you the same answer he gave me. (This is why requiring questions to be asked via PM is a fucking stupid rule btw.)

[Kakeguri Addicts]

If Werewolves wanted to shoot town, and didn't want to double up on Morph, they had a target.

[Kakeguri Addicts]

The mod's answer to this question was that bulletproof does not apply to the werewolves' factionall kill.

So why was a mafia member bulletproof, then?

[Cephrir]

votecount 2.1

CheekyTeeky (7) | Pooky, Dannflor, Lukewarm, unwnd, Kakeguri Addicts, mastina, Celestial Powerhouse

Not Voting (12) | Everyone else

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to politely ask someone to leave.

[mastina]

If Werewolves wanted to shoot town, and didn't want to double up on Morph, they had a target.

And why would the werewolves want to kill the third mason? The mod explicitly said that the game could have two werewolves in a masonry, so having one werewolf in the masonry flip does not clear the other two of being werewolves.

The mod's answer to this question was that bulletproof does not apply to the werewolves' factionall kill.

So why was a mafia member bulletproof, then?

A good question that I have my theory about!

One which I won't share with the thread while you're alive since I'm thinking you're scum here.

[Kakeguri Addicts]

One which I won't share with the thread while you're alive since I'm thinking you're scum here.

Case us

[Celestial Powerhouse]

yeah i confirmed mastina's question.

-Hades, God of double checking.

[Dannflor]

One which I won't share with the thread while you're alive since I'm thinking you're scum here.

you won’t be sharing information

…

While scum is alive

I see

[petapan]

VOTE: cheekyteeky

i think this is a fine place to go for obvious reasons, i'll give echolocation a look over to see if there's anything useful we can get from their ISO

[Celestial Powerhouse]

One which I won't share with the thread while you're alive since I'm thinking you're scum here.

you won’t be sharing information

…

While scum is alive

I see

I like you!

Come have an honorary seat in the OLYMPUS throne room. Just tell Hera you're a guest!

[mastina]

VOTE: Petapan

Every time Ircher plays in a hydra he rolls scum. Someone break it to him.

manatee's last reads list is interesting
for potential werewolf partners I immediately go to her two secondary town read tiers which include: anya, unwnd, taco, morph, kazyan, celestial, petapan, addicts

For the record, given the cross-reference here my first of first thoughts would be petapan high chance of being a werewolf, but will continue to need to dig.

[Dannflor]

so if echo was shot by werewolves i dont think she was shot because anyone was particularly threatened by her, someone just had a confident read on her

[mastina]

One which I won't share with the thread while you're alive since I'm thinking you're scum here.

Case us

You've been a gut scumread since D1 + your attitude towards me D2 + your trying to prevent me from digging into the logic that I am approaching for no good reason.

Don't really need more than that.

One which I won't share with the thread while you're alive since I'm thinking you're scum here.

you won’t be sharing information
…
While scum is alive
I see

I don't see the need to share it publicly yet. Especially not with the number of scum alive that are alive. When there's less scum alive, sure.

[Vecna]

manatee's last reads list is interesting

for potential werewolf partners I immediately go to her two secondary town read tiers which include: anya, unwnd, taco, morph, kazyan, celestial, petapan, addicts

one pattern in her reads list is that she does a lot of "I think x because Y but they should probably be higher/lower. like she was constantly giving herself wiggle room on all of her reads. my eyebrow is raised a little at the taco and kazyan town reads a little because she had fairly specific reasons for town reading each of them (versus other reads of being like "can't quite remember but generally good stances) and then immediately undercut herself by saying that maybe they belonged a little lower

good post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
take out a couple names and it looks pretty good
Anya, taco, or Kazyan.

-Mister Ocean

With how this game has been going so far, you should probably cross-reference it to my townreads and just nuke any matches.

[Vecna]

If Werewolves wanted to shoot town, and didn't want to double up on Morph, they had a target.

Unless morphs read was wrong on whoever #3 is.

Regardless, pretty random kill. Potentially aimed to make pooky or unwind look dodgy?

[Vecna]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

[Celestial Powerhouse]

manatee's last reads list is interesting

for potential werewolf partners I immediately go to her two secondary town read tiers which include: anya, unwnd, taco, morph, kazyan, celestial, petapan, addicts

one pattern in her reads list is that she does a lot of "I think x because Y but they should probably be higher/lower. like she was constantly giving herself wiggle room on all of her reads. my eyebrow is raised a little at the taco and kazyan town reads a little because she had fairly specific reasons for town reading each of them (versus other reads of being like "can't quite remember but generally good stances) and then immediately undercut herself by saying that maybe they belonged a little lower

good post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
take out a couple names and it looks pretty good
Anya, taco, or Kazyan.

-Mister Ocean

With how this game has been going so far, you should probably cross-reference it to my townreads and just nuke any matches.

Soeone has a weight on their shoulders...

-Hades, Lord of watching when people put themselves in the firing line.

[Vecna]

Guess thats already L1

[Dannflor]

VOTE: cheekyteeky

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lolwut

[Vecna]

*insert over the top gasp*