Not Quite Normal Multiball (Game Over)

[Lukewarm]

Hello. It is page 8 already

VOTE: T3

[Lukewarm]

Everyone above me is town!

everyone above me is a werewolf

Who to believe

[Lukewarm]

Luke I expect a hood tonight.

If this is Cabd, I don't think you would make the list after the stunt you pulled last game.

If this is Ffery, I'm sorry, but you are hydraing with Cabd rn, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Lukewarm]

UNVOTE:

I actually feel bad that he repped out :/

When I voted, all I saw was his self vote, and decided that was good enough for a RVS vote while I got caught up

[Lukewarm]

Luke I expect a hood tonight.

If this is Cabd, I don't think you would make the list after the stunt you pulled last game.

If this is Ffery, I'm sorry, but you are hydraing with Cabd rn, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is spayhalf. Which stunt in particular?

Also, we are such fun in a neighborhood!

I was referring to Day 1 of your Tarot game lol

[Lukewarm]

Luke I expect a hood tonight.

If this is Cabd, I don't think you would make the list after the stunt you pulled last game.

If this is Ffery, I'm sorry, but you are hydraing with Cabd rn, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is spayhalf. Which stunt in particular?

Also, we are such fun in a neighborhood!

I was referring to Day 1 of your Tarot game lol

The game Cabd solved and spoke from the dead thanks to neighborhoods?

Why wouldn't you want some of that?

See, I am talking about the game where he denied me access to my own neighborhood, and rendered my neighborizor ability moot.

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Lukewarm

Coward.

(Also this is my RVS vote)

What am I supposedly scared of right now?

[Lukewarm]

Also, ffery -- I am sadly not a neighborizor this game, so I don't actually have to decide if I want you guys in there or not, and I can just give Cabd a little shit

[Lukewarm]

Are we supposed to know who you are?

[Lukewarm]

oh my lord T3 what on earth

My condolences

[Lukewarm]

I did in fact receive a town role pm

Does it happen to be any of the multiple roles that T3 already claimed? lmao

[Lukewarm]

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

That post makes no sense as a slip because T3 could never get away with that as a serious claim because I would out it as a meme almost immediately. :/

~Titus

I feel like that makes sense as to why you immediately dismissed his informed miller claim,

But you were also completely unfazed by the "mafia PT" post, by the self vote, and by the Loyal Babysitter claim?

[Lukewarm]

I find it somewhat townie that Dann immediately went to picking apart the slot that was town reading him

[Lukewarm]

for what absolutely little it's worth I also read the loyal babysitter as a joke right before I replaced in

idk, I think I would immediately read each individual one as a joke coming from T3, but seeing so many different ones coming all back to back seemed... different then the joking I expect from T3.

I think I am back to null on the slot with the Dann rep in, I am a bit surprised that Titus was so sure he was town the whole time.

[Lukewarm]

Manatee feels chill. Luke is (?) from first post.

My thoughts are a mirror opposite of these.

Really?

I've not played with Manatee but I got the "pure" vibe from them which like, yeah I know, but it works.

And Luke felt a little stilted on entrance as if he was like "hi I don't know what to say oh wow haha eight pages!" Which like, I expected more panic maybe or frustration given how Tarot went for him as in "oh god stuff is happening what did I miss this time do I get to even have a role." His posting after is better, though.

You think I would panic this game because I was in 1 game that ended after 3 hours?

I have played enough games, to know that that game was the anomoly, not the norm

[Lukewarm]

oh my lord T3 what on earth

This kinda reads like someone who didn't know what they were walking into, which is hard to believe if the game waa reas before rapping in


ZEUS FOUND A MENTAL DISCREPANCY

Is that discrepancy dependent on the assumption that Dann read the game before repping in? What makes you sure he did that?

He repped in only like ~30 mins after T3 requested replacement.

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

That post makes no sense as a slip because T3 could never get away with that as a serious claim because I would out it as a meme almost immediately. :/

~Titus

I feel like that makes sense as to why you immediately dismissed his informed miller claim,

But you were also completely unfazed by the "mafia PT" post, by the self vote, and by the Loyal Babysitter claim?

Your posts always make me want to like, ruffle your hair while telling you how proud I am of you.

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

That post makes no sense as a slip because T3 could never get away with that as a serious claim because I would out it as a meme almost immediately. :/

~Titus

I feel like that makes sense as to why you immediately dismissed his informed miller claim,

But you were also completely unfazed by the "mafia PT" post, by the self vote, and by the Loyal Babysitter claim?

And with this post Luke joins Peta. <3

I am a bit suspicious of these posts coming from Morph, in a "they might be trying to pocket me" kind of vibe

It feels a bit like how Cabd greeted me in this game where he was scum --

I also don't really know what part of my post puts me in a town read, as opposed to like maybe "not scum with Titus" given that this game is multiball

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

That post makes no sense as a slip because T3 could never get away with that as a serious claim because I would out it as a meme almost immediately. :/

~Titus

I feel like that makes sense as to why you immediately dismissed his informed miller claim,

But you were also completely unfazed by the "mafia PT" post, by the self vote, and by the Loyal Babysitter claim?

Your posts always make me want to like, ruffle your hair while telling you how proud I am of you.

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

That post makes no sense as a slip because T3 could never get away with that as a serious claim because I would out it as a meme almost immediately. :/

~Titus

I feel like that makes sense as to why you immediately dismissed his informed miller claim,

But you were also completely unfazed by the "mafia PT" post, by the self vote, and by the Loyal Babysitter claim?

And with this post Luke joins Peta. <3

I am a bit suspicious of these posts coming from Morph, in a "they might be trying to pocket me" kind of vibe

It feels a bit like how Cabd greeted me in this game where he was scum --

I also don't really know what part of my post puts me in a town read, as opposed to like maybe "not scum with Titus" given that this game is multiball

I don't believe you think you're trying to be pocketed

I don't know, there just seem to be a lot of posts coming from them that mention me. Including posts about me before I arrived, then several posts directed at me (like, proportionally more then expected given that this is a 22 player game), then a town read on me that I don't really understand, followed by disagreeing with someone who did not have a town read on me

Spoiler:

UNVOTE: T3

Time to be boring and use the rest of the day anyway to hear from everyone and let luke use his day one global wagon neighborizer role.

Luke I expect a hood tonight.

Luke I expect a hood tonight.

If this is Cabd, I don't think you would make the list after the stunt you pulled last game.

If this is Ffery, I'm sorry, but you are hydraing with Cabd rn, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The best part is, both of us made that post.

Luke I expect a hood tonight.

If this is Cabd, I don't think you would make the list after the stunt you pulled last game.

If this is Ffery, I'm sorry, but you are hydraing with Cabd rn, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is spayhalf. Which stunt in particular?

Also, we are such fun in a neighborhood!

Luke I expect a hood tonight.

If this is Cabd, I don't think you would make the list after the stunt you pulled last game.

If this is Ffery, I'm sorry, but you are hydraing with Cabd rn, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is spayhalf. Which stunt in particular?

Also, we are such fun in a neighborhood!

I was referring to Day 1 of your Tarot game lol

The game Cabd solved and spoke from the dead thanks to neighborhoods?

Why wouldn't you want some of that?

Luke I expect a hood tonight.

If this is Cabd, I don't think you would make the list after the stunt you pulled last game.

If this is Ffery, I'm sorry, but you are hydraing with Cabd rn, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is spayhalf. Which stunt in particular?

Also, we are such fun in a neighborhood!

I was referring to Day 1 of your Tarot game lol

The game Cabd solved and spoke from the dead thanks to neighborhoods?

Why wouldn't you want some of that?

See, I am talking about the game where he denied me access to my own neighborhood, and rendered my neighborizor ability moot.

Understandable. I was somewhat sad to see my carefully crafted mechanic get no daylight, too.

We won't be pushing to prematurely end this game day. That would be my inclination regardless, but it's also our sync on the matter.

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

That post makes no sense as a slip because T3 could never get away with that as a serious claim because I would out it as a meme almost immediately. :/

~Titus

I feel like that makes sense as to why you immediately dismissed his informed miller claim,

But you were also completely unfazed by the "mafia PT" post, by the self vote, and by the Loyal Babysitter claim?

Your posts always make me want to like, ruffle your hair while telling you how proud I am of you.

This is what people are referring to as the slip, Titus

That post makes no sense as a slip because T3 could never get away with that as a serious claim because I would out it as a meme almost immediately. :/

~Titus

I feel like that makes sense as to why you immediately dismissed his informed miller claim,

But you were also completely unfazed by the "mafia PT" post, by the self vote, and by the Loyal Babysitter claim?

And with this post Luke joins Peta. <3

Manatee feels chill. Luke is (?) from first post.

My thoughts are a mirror opposite of these.

[Lukewarm]

Dann replaced T3?

I want one or two people to unequivocally trust and so far this game has not produced that. This tells me scumteam 1 and 2 isn't filled with dopes as much as I'd like

its kinda susp you dont unequivocally trust me tbh

@Unwnd

[Lukewarm]

Hello. It is page 8 already

VOTE: T3

I'm getting "scolding" from this... but where's the rest?

It was not supposed to be scolding.

It was supposed to be "wow, page 8 already? Let me get caught up. Here is an RVS vote"

[Lukewarm]

Yeah that was to you

I wouldn't say I want to shade your slot, more I want people to actually observe it. Then I want to see what you do with said observations. It's not going to be a great game if you are given the keys so early on for a negative level lim on T3 (despite Dann's efforts). I think the reads coming from those people are lazy but surprisingly not very naive.

I know you said that you skimmed past my posts, but I shaded morph before you said it was cool. Although I retract my request to be in a town block with you.


I am becoming suspicious of Unwnd for ethereral reasons I cannot find the words for.
My experience playing with Unwnd has been losing to Scumwnd 2 games in a row, and do not want to make that 3 for 3

[Lukewarm]

I respect unwnd as scum as well but I don't think he is scum in this game

lukewarm, are there reasons beyond paranoia you are feeling that? even if it's just gut based?

I would say that it is a gut read. Something felt off about the way he interacted with Morph in the last few pages.

[Lukewarm]

Interesting peta, why those reads?

~Titus

It's too early for this shit but my fantasy werewolf team is right here.

Specifically the werewolf team?

[Lukewarm]

if I'm wrong abt dannflor which I may very well be I think wheme could very well flip mafia

whemestars defence of T3 is tmi I think

How could Wheme tmi Dann/T3 as town in a multiball game?

[Lukewarm]

Also, Luke, you're not used to the "Morph finds a new shiny and decides to polish it" thing and we get that, but we're not gonna stop.

More to the point, you're used to both heads of this hydra but NOT the combined mindmeld shit that happens when we keep our arms and legs inside the zebra at all times while the ride is in motion.

I felt like me and ffery were able to find each other pretty nicely in the Guardians of the Galaxy game to the point that it felt like we were almost a masonry (even with out own chats in spoiler tags). But the progression we had to get there felt genuine, and my immediate reaction is that your collective opening interactions with me this game felt different from that one, and closer to your (Cabd's) opening interactions with me on that Newbie game.

I am not locking you guys as scum, I am just wary of you right now.

[Lukewarm]

if I'm wrong abt dannflor which I may very well be I think wheme could very well flip mafia

whemestars defence of T3 is tmi I think

How could Wheme tmi Dann/T3 as town in a multiball game?

t3 specifically "slipped" mafia

Ah, gotcha

[Lukewarm]

Mary thinks that Luke's recent take, which he essentially says: Morph is not town because he (luke) isn't townreading them yet - is very questionable.

This is in no way an accurate recount of my recent take

[Lukewarm]

Mary thinks that Luke's recent take, which he essentially says: Morph is not town because he (luke) isn't townreading them yet - is very questionable.

This is in no way an accurate recount of my recent take

What would you say it is then?

None of what I said about Morph hinged on my own read of the slot. I was talking about

their

read on

me

In my last game with ffery, we were both town and eventually ended up with a strong mutual town read on one another, but that happened fairly slowly, and her reaching that town read on me felt more genuine when compared to how quickly they jumped to having a town read on me this game. -- If anything, I am unsure what I could have done in post 295 to result in both heads apparently reaching a town read on me simultaneously (see post 394)

I also felt like some of the ways that they approached talking to me resembled how Cabd reached out to me Day 1 of our recent newbie game together, where he was scum.

[Lukewarm]

Do you have any thoughts on them that isn't based on the way they're handling your slot? It's hard to dig into such a post given it's more something we would have to take your word for compared to looking at the posts in this game

This is wild. Yes they are in relation to my slot, but I am literally talking about their posts this game.

Spoiler:

Like, look at my post 295. Was that enough for you to town read me? Because it was apparently enough for BOTH heads of Morph to town read me seemingly independent of one another. One giving me the TR in 299 and the other dropped their in 301.

And not only did they have a tr on me, they went so far as to then turn around and disagree with someone who did not TR me in post 305.

And honestly, their repeated attempts to convince me that their tr on me is genuine (652, 653, 661, 681) has done nothing but make me more paranoid of it. They seem overly interested in getting a TR from me.

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I am starting to feel like I am spending too much time talking about this at this point, but it feels like this is the thing that people are asking me about and I am feeling a little bit lost on other places I want to push atm

[Lukewarm]

Please please please vote me Unwnd PLEASE I need you to vote me I am going to die if you don't vote me.

Voting would kill you

Also I don't think anyone else scumreads you even if I did

You realize that, yeah?

Jesus, do unwnd and ydra need to get a room or something?

[Lukewarm]

i played the best wolf game of my life in yggdrasil

I thought you did pretty good until the rest of the scum team decided to bus you for town cred

[Lukewarm]

i played the best wolf game of my life in yggdrasil

I thought you did pretty good until the rest of the scum team decided to bus you for town cred

Also, looking at Anya's iso for this game, I like it. Good vibes.

[Lukewarm]

man fck u morph

i am willing to vote t3 slot now

This was a pretty drastic change, and I looked back to see what Morph said to cause such a change and can't find it.

Care to share with the class what changed your read on T3?

[Lukewarm]

wow wheme doing work on the obvious caughtscum

wild

Seems townie tho.

+townie points for Wheme

[Lukewarm]

Hi Ythan.

Can you confirm your predecessor's claim?

Hi. I'll take a look.

He claimed he was a miller

[Lukewarm]

I dont think you were supposed to tell him that lol

I specifically only said miller to see if they would agree with me or correct it to werewolf miller

[Lukewarm]

I dont think you were supposed to tell him that lol

I specifically only said miller to see if they would agree with me or correct it to werewolf miller

If anything, I wish I had been looking at the thread when Morph originally asked so I could have posed it that way immediately instead of giving him time to look back

[Lukewarm]

The fact that we have 1 person claiming mafia miller and one person claiming werewolf miller leaves me inclined believe both claims.

So I am comfortable with the asumption that Ythan is not a werewolf and Vax is not Mafia, but a couple people (peta and Kakeguri I think) have pointed out that they could potentially be scum on the opposite teams given Cephir's stated random aspect to roles this game

[Lukewarm]

Just got caught up - did not really see much that I wanted to respond to directly, but I might give it a second look later to see if that changes.

I find myself agreeing with most kakeguri posts.

I still like Anya's posts

I saw several people shading Wheme's play, but I disagree here. Specifically 849 and 856 tell me that he really believed his point on T3, to the point of trying to prove it -- but then while doing the meta dive, he found the opposite evidence, and changed his stance. That reads as townie to me.

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My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

[Lukewarm]

Just got caught up - did not really see much that I wanted to respond to directly, but I might give it a second look later to see if that changes.

I find myself agreeing with most kakeguri posts.

I still like Anya's posts

I saw several people shading Wheme's play, but I disagree here. Specifically 849 and 856 tell me that he really believed his point on T3, to the point of trying to prove it -- but then while doing the meta dive, he found the opposite evidence, and changed his stance. That reads as townie to me.

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My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann,

Celestials

ebwop

[Lukewarm]

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game.

Do you town read all of those slots? Or do you just feel like dropping shade on me for my reads?

If you are town reading them, which ones?

-------

Also, do I know you? I actually have a guess, and if it is right, then you are someone who wants to scum read me in every game <3

[Lukewarm]

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game.

Do you town read all of those slots? Or do you just feel like dropping shade on me for my reads?

If you are town reading them, which ones?

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Also, do I know you? I actually have a guess, and if it is right, then you are someone who wants to scum read me in every game <3

Does "wary" = scumread?

Not quite? More like, I don't feel like I can trust any of those.

I would say that in general, I don't usually start with scum reads, I start out looking for people I feel like I can trust, and then scum reads come later - there are probably exceptions to this, but I think that this is generally closer to my norm

The frustrating thing this game, is that all of the people I have played with before are all getting a "can't trust" label from me when I look at them

Maybe the size of the game and the multiball are getting to me.

[Lukewarm]

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game. I feel like he wouldn't let paranoia get the best of him here.

another thing is that I'm not a fan of one other person. this was something I was thinking for quite a while but I just forgot what their name was. I'll be back but need to put this here so I dont procrastinate and end up forgetting completely.

-Mister Ocean

The more I think about this post, the more nonsensical it is to me.

They present 2 possibilities for my position which are basically:

I am paranoid town, or
I am paranoid scum

And end with the conclusion "he's a good player and I respect his game. I feel like he wouldn't let paranoia get the best of him" and that somehow leaves them saying I am scum

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game.

Do you town read all of those slots? Or do you just feel like dropping shade on me for my reads?

If you are town reading them, which ones?

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Also, do I know you? I actually have a guess, and if it is right, then you are someone who wants to scum read me in every game <3

Does "wary" = scumread?

Not quite? More like, I don't feel like I can trust any of those.

I would say that in general, I don't usually start with scum reads, I start out looking for people I feel like I can trust, and then scum reads come later - there are probably exceptions to this, but I think that this is generally closer to my norm

The frustrating thing this game, is that all of the people I have played with before are all getting a "can't trust" label from me when I look at them

Maybe the size of the game and the multiball are getting to me.

this reads very fake after unwnd just made a post exactly like this....

-Mister Ocean

Good point here, there could not possibly be TWO players in this 22 player game that prefer to start with town reads

[Lukewarm]

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game. I feel like he wouldn't let paranoia get the best of him here.

another thing is that I'm not a fan of one other person. this was something I was thinking for quite a while but I just forgot what their name was. I'll be back but need to put this here so I dont procrastinate and end up forgetting completely.

-Mister Ocean

The more I think about this post, the more nonsensical it is to me.

They present 2 possibilities for my position which are basically:

I am paranoid town, or
I am paranoid scum

And end with the conclusion "he's a good player and I respect his game. I feel like he wouldn't let paranoia get the best of him" and that somehow leaves them saying I am scum

No such thing as paranoid scum(minus mech). Scum would be worried that powerful town players would steamroll them. You could be paranoid town but I think your town game is stronger than that. You're also just purposefully twisting the meaning of my posts.

-Mister Ocean

I guess we have different definitions of paranoid then.

Because, I would describe "he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have." as being paranoid.

And also not really lining up with the reality of my posts. Like, I am scum afraid of town!Morph, so I ---- refused to give them a mutual town read.
Ditto for Unwnd. (whose list was not explicitly town->scum, but I feel like he put me in a pretty favorable position nonetheless)

If anything, pointing them out and saying I don't trust them (or, as you thought I was saying, calling them scum) seems like the faster way to draw their attention to me (or getting them to night kill me if they are the opposite scum team).

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What I was mainly trying to point out that you reduced the possibilities to exactly 2 options, discounted 1, and ended on that must mean that I am scummy.

You never even listed the possibility that I could be town with genuine concerns for the slots. Do you really think that there is no reason for me to be wary of those slots right now?

Basically, it did not feel like you were trying to understand my stance, but more like you just wanted to frame my stance as scummy.

[Lukewarm]

You are scum/werewolf afraid of power players so you are starting off by putting them low on your lists so that their influence is lower. That's a pretty common scum tactic? giving mutual town reads to players that you think will become UTR is a bad idea if you are scum. the mutual town reads dont mean anything if the majority of town thing they are more towny than you....

I don't know, I feel like if I were scum, I would try to cultivate the town reads from the UTR, then kill them over night, instead of repeatedly saying I don't trust them during the day...

how did I "reduce possibilities"? I am making analysis's on the game. I think you're paranoid town or discrediting shady scum. I say that the latter is more likely. How is that
"reduc[ing] the possibilities to exactly 2 options, discounted 1, and ended on that must mean that [you are] scummy." Go on with your fancy words but you are totally just exaggerating the hell out of a post saying that I think you might be scum.

wtf. You literally said:

"I think this means that

lukewarm is either

getting paranoid as town

or

he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have

.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game"

Lukewarm is either

x

or

y

--- but he is too good for x, so it more likely y

that is literally reducing the possibilities to 2 options, discounting 1, and ending on the conclusion if must be the other.

My point was, and is, that it did not appear like you were even considering the possibility that I was town with genuine concerns.

[Lukewarm]

Assuming mister ocean is who I think they are, then they have declared my town play scummy in multiple games (both as town and as scum and as a spectator).

Probably best for me to just stop engaging there tbh.

Anyone else want to talk to me?

[Lukewarm]

lukewarm why did you feel bad for t3 repping out?

i don't feel bad for a fish flopping around on the ground that i've reeled in

Because I enjoy playing games with T3, and was sad to see him go.

I also did not even realize that I was putting him at e-2 when I voted him with my RVS vote, so it felt like I accidentally contributed to making him want to leave. (getting run up that far less then 3 hours into the game)

[Lukewarm]

But sure, we can drop it for now since i dont care if Dann dies regardless of his alignment honestly.

Jumping on the Mister ocean vs lukewarm shit is gross and I'm down for limming that slot for that.

-Mister Ocean

I generally agree with this.

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

My pool of slots I am wary of are: Morph, Unwnd, Titus, Ydra, Dann

Im really concerned with the fact that Lukewarm's scum pool is all power players actually.

I think this means that lukewarm is either getting paranoid as town
or he is scum who is afraid of the influence they might have.

I see the latter more likely because he's a good player and I respect his game.

Do you town read all of those slots? Or do you just feel like dropping shade on me for my reads?

If you are town reading them, which ones?

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Also, do I know you? I actually have a guess, and if it is right, then you are someone who wants to scum read me in every game <3

Assuming mister ocean is who I think they are, then they have declared my town play scummy in multiple games (both as town and as scum and as a spectator).

Probably best for me to just stop engaging there tbh.

Anyone else want to talk to me?

I would say that the first time I was not very sure, but was trying to figure out if your angle on me was really just as non-genuine as it seemed or if you were just one very specific person.

The second time, I reached the conclusion that you are probably that one very specific person and I should just drop the dialogue.

[Lukewarm]

Luke perhaps you'd rather talk to me over my salty brother?
Interestingly despite being the one with the firey head, I'm not the hot headed brother.

-Hades, Lord of the most chill place ever.

Is there something that you wanted me to talk about with you, or is this just a general reach out?

[Lukewarm]

Luke perhaps you'd rather talk to me over my salty brother?
Interestingly despite being the one with the firey head, I'm not the hot headed brother.

-Hades, Lord of the most chill place ever.

Is there something that you wanted me to talk about with you, or is this just a general reach out?

Just a general reach out. I looked over your interactions with Posidon and i thought they look decent enough.

-Hades

Interesting, I thought you approved of voting me? 1263

[Lukewarm]

So the heads of this hydra are not in sync on me.

Are there reads that the 3 of you are all in agreement on ?

[Lukewarm]

It seems a bit strange to me that Posiden's case on me was apparently not enough to convince the other heads of his own hydra, but was enough to convince both Taco and Dann to follow Posiden's push on me with votes of their own.

VOTE: Lukewarm

VOTE: Lukwarm

They are also empty votes...

@Taco and Dann, would you guys like to weigh in

[Lukewarm]

It seems a bit strange to me that Posiden's case on me was apparently not enough to convince the other heads of his own hydra, but was enough to convince both Taco and Dann to follow Posiden's push on me with votes of their own.

VOTE: Lukewarm

VOTE: Lukwarm

They are also empty votes...

@Taco and Dann, would you guys like to weigh in

idk just wanted to see how you'd react

I don't want to self vote yet because I think that functionally ends the day and I feel there's still useful content being produced

If you say so, but I mean, you also followed the vote up with this, which is what felt more like you were actually buying what posiden was selling

does lukewarm vs. celestial feel kinda funky to anyone else

[Lukewarm]

I kind of found a new meta tell and no longer want Dann dead today :/

What a plot twist

[Lukewarm]

Vax didn't really "miller claim" plenty of protown roles have guns iirc and this isn't even a normal so fwir.

I took his claim of investigates as having a gun, to be of similar, yet opposite, nature to you investigating as being hairy

[Lukewarm]

Generally liking what I am seeing from Ythan during my catch up

[Lukewarm]

The Lukewarm wagon was bad bad bad, by the way.

Yuck

.

i will admit, i am slightly swayed however i think i had very valid points. regardless of lukewarm's alignment, they are areas to improve on. i was just trying to figure out his alignment and he blew up on me for essentially no reason.

I am sorry if you read my posts as me blowing up at you, because that was not the tone I was thinking of as I typed my posts.

From my pov, I did not like your analysis, I first asked for clarification, did not like you response, then said I did not think your take / felt like the take was not genuine.

There was never any anger behind it (which, given you described it as a blow up, I think you read in my posts)

[Lukewarm]

I guess I'm also just salty that Lukewarm is always townread. Oh well. Some people are just born different.

Yes. You are 100% the person I thought you were.

I retract my scum read on the hydra from the way Poseidon engaged with my slot. She does that as town too, so it is NAI

[Lukewarm]

Danni's towngame follows an extremely similar arc, to the point i'd buy they're the same person.

they are not even remotely alike

I take it you are still on board with voting out Dann today?

------

We saw Celestial Powerhouse reply to us in 1020 and 1225, the responses seem fine to me, except that 'getting a consensus feeling' doesn't seem like a real explanation.

I am still on board with voting Dann today.

Not really buying Morph's town casing of them myself.

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm doesn't seem befitting as scum. There's a certain composition to his posts that is almost feverish. He sweats about me who has tricked him and then adds a few other prominent players. I'm not going to guess his reason but I can say from my own time spent as a tadpole I always "enjoyed" being paranoid about my peers. It's healthy and didn't seem manipulative. Maybe even add the fact I think he'd be trying to suck up to us because he knows as scum he doesn't really have a chance (in his mind).

His timing of posts and how he follows up on them also feel more in line with a townie who desperately needs to get to their keyboard and slam something out, than a scum who idly sits by and waits.

NAH YOU COOL LUKE JSUT NEEDS HEADPATS BECAUSE HE IS A GOOD SHINY BOY WHO ISNT USED TO SNUGGLEGLOMPS

I am not sure which of these two posts I dislike more tbh

Not even on a scum level, as much as like, just a personal level dislike

[Lukewarm]

it's not. can we drop it? pooky is really the only person that's supposed to get it. also it isn't scum/wolf/malefactor whatever indicative so i see no point in continuing this discussion.

my posts were just saying that pooky is curious and playful and would engage us more. they dont exactly have to do with pooky knowing my id so you're just mixing two things and now i dont want to talk about either to be honest.

-Mister Ocean

i'll be honest noraa I'm too lazy to troll you when you're being really townie lol

This is also my assumption on who Poseidon is -- I just was not going to out her on an alt

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm doesn't seem befitting as scum. There's a certain composition to his posts that is almost feverish. He sweats about me who has tricked him and then adds a few other prominent players. I'm not going to guess his reason but I can say from my own time spent as a tadpole I always "enjoyed" being paranoid about my peers. It's healthy and didn't seem manipulative. Maybe even add the fact I think he'd be trying to suck up to us because he knows as scum he doesn't really have a chance (in his mind).

His timing of posts and how he follows up on them also feel more in line with a townie who desperately needs to get to their keyboard and slam something out, than a scum who idly sits by and waits.

Actually I'll just bring it to this page

Celestial you're free to comment as well

I actually just dont agree with a single sentence in this post/dont think of anything here at all when i think of lukewarm. I dont know what to say. I can't find myself agreeing with any of this post.

firstly, what tricking?
next, I think paranoia is normal, yes. I guess its just always unsettling to see the scum reads of anyone being all power players or LHF. those types of reads always just ping me deep into my soul. I mean, its hard to really make that manipulative so I dont get how that matters.
I feel like sucking up to power players isn't really the way to go? that's like exactly the way to get yourself killed especially with lukewarm's track record of being really obvious and confident town? All scum try to replicate town meta. They aren't going to go from confident town to suck ass scum... I feel like that's just not how it works.

This last sentences doesn't resonate with me the slightest bit. I feel nothing even remotely similar and need specific posts quoted to even begin to try to understand what you mean.

I'm fine with laying off lukewarm but this post is not the reason lukewarm is town if he is. At least it didn't make me nod even once. I dont know what to say :/

-Mister Ocean

I actually have played a scum game recently if you want to go look at how I post when I am actually scum

[Lukewarm]

Vax didn't really "miller claim" plenty of protown roles have guns iirc and this isn't even a normal so fwir.

I took his claim of investigates as having a gun, to be of similar, yet opposite, nature to you investigating as being hairy

Miller and hirsute investigate as guilty to cop and seer but gunsmith detection is more nuanced you know what I mean?

I see what you mean, but that is not where my brain went when looking at the claim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Lukewarm]

I am now protecting Whemey with my life

I think that unwnd is actually just sheeping my read on wheme at this point

[Lukewarm]

I guess I'm also just salty that Lukewarm is always townread. Oh well. Some people are just born different.

Yes. You are 100% the person I thought you were.

I retract my scum read on the hydra from the way Poseidon engaged with my slot. She does that as town too, so it is NAI

I'm hurt. Thats how you thought about me prior to this?

Pooky you asshat!!

-Mister Ocean

I mean, I guess my thoughts were "Noraa and I never seem to be able to communicate with one another" and was ready to chalk my feeling wrt to your read on me up to that

[Lukewarm]

I mean, I'm a lightweight, but "90% Mountain Dew 10% Watermelon Rum" ain't it, chief.

I just turned 21 give me some good drink recommendations that arent beer because beer tastes like piss

Beer is gross.

I either go for sweet drinks if I am planning to have a couple drinks, or just settle for shots if I am actually planning to get drunk

Breakfast shots are the bomb 10/10

Some bartenders don't know what it is tho, so you may have to tell them.

1 shot glass (half shot of jameson half shot of butterschnapps) with a shot glass of oj for a chaser.

[Lukewarm]

fireball is a decent drink dude

Agreed. I think it got a bad rep a while back.

Shot of Fireball in a latte/cappuccino is my favorite alcoholic coffee type drink.

[Lukewarm]

Mastina has not posted yet this game

[Lukewarm]

i love this meta fck wall posters

I have been attacked

[Lukewarm]

it is in fact best practice in a large to just eliminate the claimed VT

Your slot claimed loyal babysitter and then threw a tantrum when they perceived their claim as being dismantled.

And now he's claiming VT so I'm curious what you were getting at here.

I don't know why town would be agitated about a fake claim being dismantled and self vote and replace out, is what we were getting at.

imo, the self vote and the rep out are the things that pushed the early T3 stuff from "just T3 fuckery" to "maybe actually just scum" for me

[Lukewarm]

Celestial Powerhouse is trying really hard to save VFP for seemingly no reason, and they're not being internally consistent in doing so 1737. While trying to pass it off as doing so for Morph's sake.

That weirds me out.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86996

This may provide you with SOME help/context.

I was IN that game, and I don't understand the context you are trying to point to

[Lukewarm]

Celestial Powerhouse is trying really hard to save VFP for seemingly no reason, and they're not being internally consistent in doing so 1737. While trying to pass it off as doing so for Morph's sake.

That weirds me out.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86996

This may provide you with SOME help/context.

I was IN that game, and I don't understand the context you are trying to point to

Like, yes Noraa was there day 1, but VFP wasn't

Can you help me understand your point here?

[Lukewarm]

"Noraa really is that paranoid, see this game for proof that she is super serious about it."

Maybe that makes sense. I never actually read Noraa's iso that game because I started tring Ydra just from her own iso

[Lukewarm]

I mean, I'm a lightweight, but "90% Mountain Dew 10% Watermelon Rum" ain't it, chief.

I just turned 21 give me some good drink recommendations that arent beer because beer tastes like piss

You're not drinking the good beers, then.

Don't lie to him, there is no such thing

[Lukewarm]

Wheme, the nicest description I could ever give to any beer I have ever tried is "drinkable"

And I was a bartender for several years, and was required to taste every beer we ever got on tap

[Lukewarm]

By the way Manatee Tarot-Skittered in my hood.

i refuse to believe you have that level of bullshit rands

Will you believe me?

Peta, what part of this are you not believing?

That they are in a neighborhood? With Manatee? That Manatee said something in the hood that they thought was scummy?

[Lukewarm]

I uh, think that was more a "Arceus Dammit you are a hood magnet" than a "Press X to Doubt"

If that is the case, I would say that I generally believe you guys are in a hood, and lowkey assumed you were in one since post 14 lol

[Lukewarm]

Jesus Mom. I think you have alt slipped in every game I have seen you play

[Lukewarm]

I uh, think that was more a "Arceus Dammit you are a hood magnet" than a "Press X to Doubt"

If that is the case, I would say that I generally believe you guys are in a hood, and lowkey assumed you were in one since post 14 lol

Can I talk to you without contributing to waryiness now or are we still shrodinger's cat read?

I am much less wary of you now, yes. I would say I am currently tentatively town reading you guys now.

A concern of mine has actually completely vanished recently (no, I won't be telling you what that was )

[Lukewarm]

Mom is my favorite but that alt slipping thing.
*sigh*

-Mister Ocean

I kinda love it - it seems like it is like a thing for her at this point

[Lukewarm]

I uh, think that was more a "Arceus Dammit you are a hood magnet" than a "Press X to Doubt"

If that is the case, I would say that I generally believe you guys are in a hood, and lowkey assumed you were in one since post 14 lol

Can I talk to you without contributing to waryiness now or are we still shrodinger's cat read?

I am much less wary of you now, yes. I would say I am currently tentatively town reading you guys now.

A concern of mine has actually completely vanished recently (no, I won't be telling you what that was )

Once I have a player model I feel confident about, townreads can happen fast. I think my record was calling a townread with post 21.

That makes sense.

I think that the simultaneous town reads from both heads in less then a minute of one of my posts just kinda freaked me out a bit

I also feel like I have a better understanding of some of your earlier posts wrt. Like we were trying to lead me in a dance that I did not know the steps to

[Lukewarm]

Like we were trying to lead me in a dance that I did not know the steps to

Gotta graduate to the big leagues some time. Why not this game.

When I did not know the steps before, I did not know where you were leading me, which left me somewhat suspicious.

But, I think I am on the same page as you now.

Finding a town read on you in a game is a journey for me apparently

[Lukewarm]

Ythan has been replaced with an imposter.

[Lukewarm]

You can't just change your avatar like that on me mid game -- how am I supposed to know who you even are anymore

[Lukewarm]

Pooky change it to a star since I’m the most obv town person here

I think you gotta be townie AND catch bad guys if you want it.

Lead the charge Wheme!

[Lukewarm]

I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO VOTE SPIFFEH SHEEP ME

Can confirm. If Spiffeh flips scum, Wheme gets all credit.

[Lukewarm]

Just as a complete aside Wheme, I don't know if you are aware of this, but you were in my very first game on site... and like... sorry

I was actually just wrong about every single thing that game, from helping elim you day 1 all the way up to voting wrong in Elo

I would like to think I have gotten a little bit better since then

[Lukewarm]

Just as a complete aside Wheme, I don't know if you are aware of this, but you were in my very first game on site... and like... sorry

I was actually just wrong about every single thing that game, from helping elim you day 1 all the way up to voting wrong in Elo

I would like to think I have gotten a little bit better since then

[Lukewarm]

I’m sorry all of my newbie games are blurred together and I don’t remember like any of them. I am also very bad at mafia so me getting voted off day 1 is a fine choice.

idk, I think you would have had to have done better then me

I was on wagon for every elim that game

Spoiler:

day 1: WhemeStar was a

vanilla townie

!

night 1: Ahri was a

vanilla townie

!

day 2: Demainer was a

vanilla townie

!

night 2: Clasko was a

town cop

!

day 3: fferyllt was a

vanilla townie

!

[Lukewarm]

These are not sorted within each tier

town

Wheme
Kakeguri
Morph
Anya
Uncle Shelby
Ythan

Better then Null

Olympians (maybe? I guess?)

Nullish

Everyone else

Worse Than Null

Taco
Ydra
Titus

Would Vote

Unwnd
VFP
Spiffeh
Dann

[Lukewarm]

Vote spiffeh !

There are 3 miller claims apparently and I am one of them!

Jesus. I somehow missed that you claimed miller too

[Lukewarm]

In addition to the 3 miller claims:

Dann has claimed Vanilla Townie

Morph has claimed to be in a neighborhood with Manatee

[Lukewarm]

"Millers" are:

Wheme : Miller
Ythan: Hirsute / Mafia miller
Vaxkiller : has a gun

[Lukewarm]

wait, what. im a freaking idiot. All these years I didnt know

I was today years old when I discovered that you can in fact do this

Thank you Vecna <3

[Lukewarm]

Regardless of his alignment, he shouldn't survive to see D4 because even if he DOES belong to a scumteam, he SHOULD be nightkilled by the other scumteam just due to the threat he poses to them. And if he's town, that's doubly so, because that means both scumteams will see him as a threat. Because he's Dannflor.

I was unaware that Dann comes with this level of notoriety.

[Lukewarm]

Vax didn't really "miller claim" plenty of protown roles have guns iirc and this isn't even a normal so fwir.

I took his claim of investigates as having a gun, to be of similar, yet opposite, nature to you investigating as being hairy

Miller and hirsute investigate as guilty to cop and seer but gunsmith detection is more nuanced you know what I mean?

To follow up on this, cop and detective and vig and/or whatever are false guilties built into the role.

Just, touching back on this - at the time, I thought that we only had 2 "miller" claims - you and vax

Now that I know Wheme is also claiming miller, I see that he is your counterpart not Vax

[Lukewarm]

GUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ok i will not be doing a catchup wall i will probably just elaborate on my reads list bc prospect of a wall makes me want to topple over

Manatee, any response to the charges Morph has laid against you?

[Lukewarm]

GUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ok i will not be doing a catchup wall i will probably just elaborate on my reads list bc prospect of a wall makes me want to topple over

Manatee, any response to the charges Morph has laid against you?

in regards to the hood theyre reading me as scum for the wrong reasons

This is an interesting word choice.

Are there right reasons to think you are scum this game?

--------

Do you think their scum read on you is genuine, even if they are wrong?

[Lukewarm]

im still of the mindset dann was tmi'ed by wheme and im ready to believe theyre town for quite a while

how does this work with multi-ball

I find it hard to believe this is the only reason I went from 100% the elim today to your top town read category?

i mean............. thats kind of it. youve generally been pretty towny from my perspective though i really did not like what T3 did so i guess its a combination of my theory and warming up to your slot. i still dont think your slot is wolf based around what happened, and my theory is that wheme is specifically mafia

I feel like Manatee has been asked about this post like at least 4 times now (one of which admittedly was from me lol)


T3's "slip" post would make T3/you specifically Mafia.

Anyways, I think we should try to kill the

werewolves.

So she is saying that members of the Mafia could TMI that T3 was bullshitting there.

I do not agree with her conclusions, but she has explained this a couple of times.

[Lukewarm]

im still of the mindset dann was tmi'ed by wheme and im ready to believe theyre town for quite a while

how does this work with multi-ball

I find it hard to believe this is the only reason I went from 100% the elim today to your top town read category?

i mean............. thats kind of it. youve generally been pretty towny from my perspective though i really did not like what T3 did so i guess its a combination of my theory and warming up to your slot. i still dont think your slot is wolf based around what happened, and my theory is that wheme is specifically mafia

I feel like Manatee has been asked about this post like at least 4 times now (one of which admittedly was from me lol)


T3's "slip" post would make T3/you specifically Mafia.

Anyways, I think we should try to kill the

werewolves.

So she is saying that members of the Mafia could TMI that T3 was bullshitting there.

I do not agree with her conclusions, but she has explained this a couple of times.

I guess not this post specifically, but on what she meant by tmi in a multi-ball game

[Lukewarm]

Mastina entry defending Dann reeks.

It is my understanding that town!Mastina have a history of protecting persecuted slots, regardless of those slots alignments.

Do you think that this is inherently different from that norm?

Actually an open question for the people who have more experience with Mastina then I do

[Lukewarm]

Hey Pooky, I am on the board !!

[Lukewarm]

town!

Mastina has a history of protecting persecuted slots, regardless of those slots alignments.

Mood. Fixed it for you.

It is not really a bad of a thought process to have, questioning it when the entire thread simultaneously gets on board with eliminating slot.

Anyways, you did not answer if you thought that the way Mastina did it this game was more likely to come from scum Mastina for what ever reason, or if you think it is a NAI stance for Mastina to take

[Lukewarm]

Dann/celestial what are ur reasons

when did I scum read you

-Mister Ocean

I didn't remember who the last two were

-Mister Ocean

[Lukewarm]

why is. the thread so dead.

I feel like it moved so fast for so long, and then very suddenly stopped

[Lukewarm]

why is. the thread so dead.

Well, it's a weekend.

But since you're here, I don't bite. Want to talk about why I disliked your hood posting?

I actually had a question wrt to this that I forgot to ask last night, and just made a note to remember to ask if/when you ever started actually pushing manatee

[Lukewarm]

Is it sad that I don’t know who spay is

Yes

[Lukewarm]

Is it sad that I don’t know who spay is

Yes

Morph is a Cabd / fferyllt hydra

And like, they have both both been mentioned by name this game, right? lol

[Lukewarm]

I'll give uh, twenty morph points to the first third party to this convo to spell it out, otherwise i'll do so after i finish watering the garden.

Over an hour later, you must have a fucking giant garden.

I am curious, and have questions already, but waiting for the wall to ask

[Lukewarm]

S-tier hype skillz

Pooky are you offended by not making it onto Manatee's list of players to be afraid of?

You would make my list lol

[Lukewarm]

Okay, I'll stop you there, manatee lass. Thanks.

Here's my issue. And I just did this for another person in another game, so I'll be kind about it.

You just faction and partner-slipped.

We are just waiting in bated breath for Morph to explain this

[Lukewarm]

I'll give uh, twenty morph points to the first third party to this convo to spell it out, otherwise i'll do so after i finish watering the garden.

And apparently there are

points

on the line if you want to guess it before the morph wall drops

[Lukewarm]

Unclear what the points are good for tho

[Lukewarm]

Hi

[Lukewarm]

If you don't understand the value of points you probably don't have many points.

On the contrary, I believe that I have accidentally accrued quiet a few Morph points, but I just don't know where I can spend them

[Lukewarm]

Hope everything is okay or as close as possible Spiff.

[Lukewarm]

Did a search to see if Manatee uses wolf and scum interchangeable, and found 4 posts total where they have used the word "wolf."

Once in a 2018 game, once in 2020 game - both times were in games w/o werewolves, and the term was used in place of the word scum

and then twice this game (including the one that morph described as a perspective slip).

[Lukewarm]

I want to re-iterate that this also clears the masonry and makes it a TRUE masonry.

YTHAN... I literally cannot be mafia.

Could you be bothered to give me a recap on this if you want me to accept it if not I'm sure I'll find it myself eventually.

Did you even read the goddamn wall?

We are in a MASONRY with manatee and one other slot.

If you want me to accept you as half cleared you get to do an iota of clerical work for me ty.

Didn't Manatee already confirm the masonry tho?

If you want to think that Morph could be a werewolf here, sure, but I am unclear why you are doubting the half clear / mafia clear

[Lukewarm]

like the case is just not good and fringes on weak points easily disassembled by some critical thinking

Do you think that Morph is a werewolf pushing this case on you?

[Lukewarm]

oh. question answered

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Manatee

[Lukewarm]

GUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ok i will not be doing a catchup wall i will probably just elaborate on my reads list bc prospect of a wall makes me want to topple over

Manatee, any response to the charges Morph has laid against you?

in regards to the hood theyre reading me as scum for the wrong reasons

This is an interesting word choice.

Are there right reasons to think you are scum this game?

--------

Do you think their scum read on you is genuine, even if they are wrong?

yea i definitely used the wrong words to get across what i meant. i guess the way i shouldve worded it would be something along the lines of "theyre drawing the wrong conclusion from my behavior" which doesnt really correspond to what i meant LMAO. whether those are the right reasons or not idrk.

i think their read on me is definitely genuine even though it's incorrect

VOTE: morph

dont think town makes that case and wholeheartedly believes it

[Lukewarm]

Who cmon I bout someone tell me to hour

I cannot parse a coherent sentence out of this no matter how hard I try

[Lukewarm]

this supposed slip on Vecna is just so... not a slip and generally just doesn't take into account why someone would use the word wolf to describe a scumread.

im still of the mindset dann was tmi'ed by wheme and im ready to believe theyre town for quite a while

how does this work with multi-ball

I find it hard to believe this is the only reason I went from 100% the elim today to your top town read category?

i mean............. thats kind of it. youve generally been pretty towny from my perspective though i really did not like what T3 did so i guess its a

combination of my theory

and

warming up to your slot

. i still

dont think your slot is wolf

based around what happened, and my theory is that wheme is specifically mafia

a few hours ago i specifically used the word wolf when describing a general scumread and yet this post is the one you take into note? its an incredibly shallow and misinformed and calling it a slip is just flat out wrong. wolf is a pretty common term to describe a scumread, and was actually quite common on my homesite during my time there.

Manatee, I feel like this is a strange defense of the "wolf" term. Like, it feels like you just opened your iso, control+f the work wolf, and hoped to see another post. Because, like, looking at that conversation with Dann, in context, I believe that you were specifically meaning werewolf? Like, you were very clearly discussing specific scum factions

Like your entire

theory

was that T3's "slip" was a joke about being specificall being on the mafia team, and that when Wheme immediately knew he was bullshitting, Wheme tmi'd that T3 was not actually Mafia, and that you were left with the conclusion that wheme=Mafia and T3=/= Mafia

And this was a follow up saying that you had not seen any evidence that Dann was a wolf.

Like that whole discussion was very team focused, and now you are pointing to it as evidence that you use wolf as an interchangeable term for scum

[Lukewarm]

I have disliked all of Ythan's takes the last few pages, which is wild because I really like every post he made before that.

[Lukewarm]

I have disliked all of Ythan's takes the last few pages, which is wild because I really like every post he made before that.

That's because you want to do nonsense and I'm not going to let you.

Your stance on T3 actually being a Rolecop is a bit silly.

I never thought that was a genuine slip. and was pretty sure that that "slip" was a joke coming from T3 regardless of his actual alignment.

I ended up thinking T3 was probably scum more because of the: Loyal Babysitter claim --> Declaring Mod interference --> Repping out

-----

And like, if the werewolf team believes that slip, and thinks he really is a mafia rolecop, won't they kill him?

-----

But then you also came back with "I think that the mafia is trying to avoid their roleblocker getting killed" when the person leading the charge mechanically cannot be in the mafia, like right here

If someone is analyzing emoji % usage as a metric for alignment I"m just gonna assume they're town.

Even when they're doing it to scrape together an alternative to claimed scum?

In this exchange Ydra says that Morph's case come from town, and you counter by saying that they are "doing it to scrape together an alternative to claimed scum," which mechanically cannot be the case. Like, if you believe T3's slip, then that would imply that werewolf!Morph is trying to save mafia!rolecop!Dann

[Lukewarm]

But then you also came back with "I think that the mafia is trying to avoid their roleblocker getting killed"

Slow your roll I called the participants in this obvious nonsense scumfucks once and have been no more specific than that in my criticism of your collective behavior

I took 2194 to be a discussion specifically about morph, but I guess could see it coming more as an overall reaction to the wagon

[Lukewarm]

My thoughts on the wagon are that morph is either:

1) Morph is town, and is 110% convinced in this scum case on Manatee
or
2) Morph is a werewolf, is assuming they are going to be shot Night 1, and wants to slam a townie miselim through before that happens

-----
Manatee's response to the Morph case makes me think it is more likely option 1 btw, and if it is option 1, then Dann's chances of being town go up (see Morph's meta homework wrt to him)

If it is option 2, then Dann is a werewolf with Morph (because why derail the Dann wagon if that is not the case?), and we can kill Dann tomorrow after Morph gets shot tonight

I am also pretty sure that BOTH options means that T3 was bullshitting his slip, because he "slipped" as Mafia, and option 1 leads me to a dann=town conclusion, option 2 leads me to a dann=werewolf conclusion

[Lukewarm]

More to the point you're putting words in my mouth about the specific alignments of the people I'm speaking about and that is what I want to shoot down.

Can you please be more clear on what words I am putting into your mouth, because I am unclear on what excatly you are saying I got wrong?

Do you mean when I said that the people you were calling scumfucks were specifically mafia? Because, that might have been me connecting a few dots from your posts

You said that they were trying to "squirm away from Dann's" elim, and that he is a "claimed scum role cop." Which, while you did not say Mafia specifically here, the same post where T3 claims rolecop also indicates he is specifically Mafia.

-----

For clarification, do you think that that slip was genuine or not?
It seems strange to try and walk the link in thinking that he really is a role cop, but not also think he is specifically Mafia?

[Lukewarm]

You said that they were trying to "squirm away from Dann's" elim, and that he is a "claimed scum role cop." Which, while you did not say Mafia specifically here, the same post where T3 claims rolecop also indicates he is specifically Mafia.

Every bit of this paragraph is exactly what has happened and is happening in the thread, so, ?

We'll sort out who is doing what why tomorrow as I've said.

For clarification, do you think that that slip was genuine or not?

Obviously yes thus probably every single post I've made today.

Then I guess I am not understanding the problem.

You believe the slip, and therefore believe that Dann is specifically a Mafia Rolecop

You believe that there are "scumfucks" actively trying to avoid Dann being eliminated.

But I was wrong when I phrased it as you believing it was the Mafia trying to save Dann?

------

Were you using "scumfucks" as an Alignment Neutral term?

Is that were the miscommunication came in?

[Lukewarm]

Because I did read these two posts specifically to be indications that you meant it was a "scum team" initiative, not just a dumb play.

Scumfucks trying to squirm away from the inevitability of Dann's imminent demise.

If someone is analyzing emoji % usage as a metric for alignment I"m just gonna assume they're town.

Even when they're doing it to scrape together an alternative to claimed scum?

[Lukewarm]

I typed up a response saying that 2359 did clear it up, but that was shattered with 2360

Given those posts, your stance still does not make sense to me, but at this point I feel like we are talking in circles, and I am going to drop this now.

Goodnight

[Lukewarm]

I really hope this isnt some elaborate leadin to a Morph is Malefactor big brain because your hopes are about to be super dashed if so.

Can't we actually address this idea right now?

So... you're in a masonry (guaranteed by the mod not to contain mafia or malefactor)

@Manatee, you confirmed you and morph were in a masonry, can you confirm that the masonry cannot contain the malefactor?

[Lukewarm]

We need a town leader

I nominate myself

Mister leader sir, thoughts on the Morph v Manatee case we got going on right now?

[Lukewarm]

We need a town leader

I nominate myself

Mister leader sir, thoughts on the Morph v Manatee case we got going on right now?

I have no idea I don’t remember reading a single post last night

VOTE: Manateee

Morph iso starting with their case wall: viewtopic.php?p=12895508&user_select%5B ... #p12895508

Manatee's iso, starting with their response: viewtopic.php?p=12895616&user_select%5B ... #p12895616

[Lukewarm]

Titus, Morph is leading the Manatee charge. Morph's case is...

fine

, I guess, but Manatee's reactions to the suspicion coming on to them seemed scummy to me, in case you wanted to look back at it yourself:

Morph iso starting with their case wall: viewtopic.php?p=12895508&user_select%5B ... #p12895508

Manatee's iso, starting with their response: viewtopic.php?p=12895616&user_select%5B ... #p12895616

[Lukewarm]

Titus, Morph is leading the Manatee charge. Morph's case is...

fine

, I guess, but Manatee's reactions to the suspicion coming on to them seemed scummy to me, in case you wanted to look back at it yourself:

Morph iso starting with their case wall: viewtopic.php?p=12895508&user_select%5B ... #p12895508

Manatee's iso, starting with their response: viewtopic.php?p=12895616&user_select%5B ... #p12895616

This is broke. Can you tell me what post to read from?

Link works for me.

Case from morph is post 2174

[Lukewarm]

I'm mostly confused on wjy you think Shelby is sellimg the Manatee wagon when he has nothing to do with it, or is even paying much attention to it

I am also confused by this.

Shelby is not on the manatee wagon, then made 1 post about it, where he said something that

several

other players have said: that manatee seemed a bit frozen and their response had some scum caught for the wrong reason energy.

[Lukewarm]

I maintain caught for the right reason you fucks.

"Scum caught for the wrong reasons energy" is more about the scum thinking they are getting cased for dumb reasons, whether the reasons are good or not -- at least, thats how I use it

[Lukewarm]

Oh I left out a part of my Miller claim btw

Curious

[Lukewarm]

Oh I left out a part of my Miller claim btw

Curious

Read their second post.

Yeah, I guess I am curious if they meant the left something out about the Miller side, or if they left out the fact that they have a second ability/attribute

And I am curious why they decided to bring that up now

[Lukewarm]

Oh I left out a part of my Miller claim btw

Curious

Read their second post.

Yeah, I guess I am curious if they meant the left something out about the Miller side, or if they left out the fact that they have a second ability/attribute

And I am curious why they decided to bring that up now

@Wheme, did you have something you wanted to share with the class, or were you just adding some extra intrigue?

[Lukewarm]

I can't imagine what his role could be that it would do any good to reveal now so.

I can't either, which is why I was surprised by and then curious about that last post

[Lukewarm]

I'm disappointed that no one wants to ask me any questions. I see morph had a huge Manatee case that I haven't read and probably won't anytime soon, but does someone want to give a one to two paragraph TL;DR of it?
~Ircher

Morph said that Manatee was scummy in their neighborhood, largely avoiding it I believe, but also saying they should all just automatically trust one another.

When questioned, Manatee said they had not been in a neighborhood before, which when Morph did meta dives found to be untrue.

Also, Manatee "slipped" when Morph asked Manatee to town case Vecna. She said that she did not think that vecna is not a wolf -- specifically a wolf, as opposed to scum, which Morph says is perspective slip of trying to protect Vecna from the specific accusation, because they are both actually wolves, and therefore not as worried about being seen as Mafia

-------

Personally, that case was not the greatest in my eyes, but Manatee's response felt scummy. At first it looked like frozen scum, then faked emotions, then an omgus vote on Morph.

[Lukewarm]

Personally, that case was not the greatest in my eyes

Everyone's a fucking critic.

I mean, for one thing, I did not get to see the neighborhood and I feel like part of the case is probably in there, but I will still give you the credit if it makes you feel better lol

Manatee's reactions would never have hit the thread if you had not made the accusation, so good job

[Lukewarm]

Okay, I took a look, and I don't find it too compelling. Like tbh, I kinda expected something more grandose with the big font and everything. Could it be a perspective slip? Absolutely! Is it likely that is the case? I don't know; there are too many other possibilities that seem equally as plausible. I also don't put much stock into the meta aspect simply because Manatee gains very little by lying about their experience with neighborhoods.
~Ircher

The vote coming from me has more to do with Manatee's interactions with Morph leading up to and immediately following the accusation

[Lukewarm]

Would also like to point out that in a parallels monks-masons game, "cop" and "seer" make sense, "Gunsmith" is a no go.

What do you make of Vaxkillers gun claim then?

I check as carrying a gun.

[Lukewarm]

I very much wish I could talk to morph about something today :/

double elim is cool tho

[Lukewarm]

CheekyTeeky replaces Spiffeh.

Thanks for replacing in!!

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

[Lukewarm]

Cheeky did not even get to post, smh

[Lukewarm]

@Cheeky, and last (and also first) words?

[Lukewarm]

Aww, Ceph came and ruined the lolhammer illusion by "making an accurate vote count" and "doing his job as a mod"

[Lukewarm]

Should we just speed vote Taco instead?

[Lukewarm]

@Taco, you jumping on the Lukewarm v Noraa 1v1 was pretty gross, not gonna lie.

I am obvTown

Spoiler:

Yeah, yeah, omgus

But like for real, you jumped on with an empty vote, seemed scummy. I asked you about it directly, and never got a response

[Lukewarm]

whatever i'm tilted because i can't form my own reads properly in a gamestate like this

You had all night...
And, like, it was an extended night because of the replacements

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm wht aren’t you voting

Mainly because I have been debating voting Taco, but like, I guess that can be tomorrow

VOTE: dgb

[Lukewarm]

whatever i'm tilted because i can't form my own reads properly in a gamestate like this

You had all night...
And, like, it was an extended night because of the replacements

some answers to any questions I may receive:

Will I be reading what happened on pages 1-13? - Probably not.

Will I do so if you ask me? - Probably not.

Hope that makes stuff clear.

also why do you think I'm scum?

If you are not reading the game, then why should I feel bad when you say you are not getting a chance to form reads? smh

[Lukewarm]

whatever i'm tilted because i can't form my own reads properly in a gamestate like this

You had all night...
And, like, it was an extended night because of the replacements

some answers to any questions I may receive:

Will I be reading what happened on pages 1-13? - Probably not.

Will I do so if you ask me? - Probably not.

Hope that makes stuff clear.

also why do you think I'm scum?

If you are not reading the game, then why should I feel bad when you say you are not getting a chance to form reads? smh

VOTE: Lukewarm

Also, like, I did give you a reason why you are in my scum reads, like 2 pages ago. You just skipped past it

[Lukewarm]

what the fuck is malefactor

[Lukewarm]

It seems a bit strange to me that Posiden's case on me was apparently not enough to convince the other heads of his own hydra, but was enough to convince both Taco and Dann to follow Posiden's push on me with votes of their own.

VOTE: Lukewarm

VOTE: Lukwarm

They are also empty votes...

@Taco and Dann, would you guys like to weigh in

@Taco, you jumping on the Lukewarm v Noraa 1v1 was pretty gross, not gonna lie.

I am obvTown

Spoiler:

Yeah, yeah, omgus

But like for real, you jumped on with an empty vote, seemed scummy. I asked you about it directly, and never got a response

[Lukewarm]

dont care

requote it and if applicable explain why that didn't change recently.

"recently"

2 pages was 17 mins ago lmao

[Lukewarm]

Just going back on forth with Taco the way it is happening now is not helping anyone

Gonna just stop engaging with Taco unless they want to actually start like making a case against someone (maybe me since that is who he is voting atm)

[Lukewarm]

Just going back on forth with Taco the way it is happening now is not helping anyone

Gonna just stop engaging with Taco unless they want to actually start like making a case against someone (maybe me since that is who he is voting atm)

your reasoning for fosing me is a complete joke and farce for one

Says the person who has voted me both Day 1 and Day 2 without giving any reason

[Lukewarm]

Just going back on forth with Taco the way it is happening now is not helping anyone

Gonna just stop engaging with Taco unless they want to actually start like making a case against someone (maybe me since that is who he is voting atm)

your reasoning for fosing me is a complete joke and farce for one

Says the person who has voted me both Day 1 and Day 2 without giving any reason

ur one of those that just gets caught on vibes

Where did that holistic approach to the game go that you have been championing?

Because, like look at my play. I was on the Manatee wagon, and imo, actively helping get people on board with it, and then I was also one of the people on that Cheeky speed elim, so which one was I bussing?

You are not engaging with the game, while also loudly yelling at other people for not engaging with the game

[Lukewarm]

Look at me

Yes?

[Lukewarm]

I dont know I want to do something

Then vote DGB!

[Lukewarm]

y dgb?

Look at VFP's iso

Also, Morph told us too

[Lukewarm]

I never sheeped Morph, we just happened to agree

+1

[Lukewarm]

I never sheeped Morph, we just happened to agree

+1

Like, I said that it was because morph told us to, but that was half joking.

I had spiffeh and vfp in the lowest tier for my own read list day 1

It lining up with Morph was just a plus

[Lukewarm]

I'm not reading 130 pages, I'll sheep for a bit.

Umm, about that

votecount 2.5.3

DrippingGoofball (8) | WhemeStar, unwnd, Kakeguri Addicts, Pooky, Dannflor, Vecna, Lukewarm, Celestial Powerhouse
Lukewarm (1) | Taco Hemingway

Not Voting (9) | Everyone else

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to politely ask someone to leave.

[Lukewarm]

What is this half day business?

We got 2 eliminations today.

We hammered the first one already, was Cheeky, was Mafia

[Lukewarm]

We're not sure if them not knowing about the malefactor means they are pretending to be dumb in order to get townread

Taco is a player that I have seen try to "townslip" as scum by saying they did not understand the mechanics before (while meta reading someone else, and just stumbling on it lol). So, I am definitely taking that with a grain of salt.

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: anya
after some thought I'm gonna dump vote here. goodnight.

i think this is the first person that taco has voted this isnt blatantly town and also probably not town.
anya is a great vig target. vigs take notes now.

-Mister Ocean

I have Anya and a town read

[Lukewarm]

Morph argued that ManateeDude had low engagement in their masonry

Was this a masonry or a neighborhood?

Masonry -- but the masonry only guaranteed no mafia, no guarantees on werewolves. And Manatee flipped as a werewolf mason

[Lukewarm]

No wait, I remembered, I did so in Mini Normal Bending but regardless, its NAI, and you're trying too hard to reach for NAI things to discred me.

I did not say that it make you scummy. I was saying that the "townslip" was not a reason to town read you, because, like you just admitted, you are a player who would do that as scum.

So, maybe you could be town who did not know, or you could be scum that would do it for town cred. Like you said, it is a NAI action for you, but I was combating the point you tried to make earlier, when you acted as though it should be indicative that you were not the malefactor

if im malefactor:
bro i deadass didnt know what it was until like 15 minutes ago when it was pointed out - dont care if you dont believe me but i deffo slipped im not


that should make it easy to occam's razor me out of being scumread by anyone who isn't being uncharitable.

[Lukewarm]

why do you care so much about discredding that?

It would have been a single line that basically said "I am not gonna town read taco for this, because I have seen then do something like that as scum" and then moved on

But then you asked me questions about it

You are the one who made it into a whole conversation

[Lukewarm]

Oh I see, Cheeky Teeky was a DOUBLE replacement. wow

I iso'd Spiffeh and Riuji (?) and neither did anything worth mentioning.

And that is why we killed them.

Spiffeh replaced in and said hello right when a lot of players were on and live posting back and forth, and he dipped instead of talking with us.

[Lukewarm]

why are u dodging my question abt ur read on DGB btw

Must have missed it.

I am still voting DGB, because I still think that VFP was scum. I will unvote if that ever changes

[Lukewarm]

like deadass I guarantee like nearly every town member didnt know about malefactor except the nerds who actually read every single OP post in games thoroughly.


sorry i dont have time for that, dayplay doesnt care for it and i can just look up mechs when I need them/they are important to what I am deducing at that moment

But it was such a

pretty color

in the sign up page

(And also we talked about the role on a few different occasions Day 1, but youre not reading the game, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

[Lukewarm]

I am unsure why you keep trying to have a back and forth over the slip Taco.

I said it was NAI. You said it was NAI.

You keep talking to me about it like we do not agree

[Lukewarm]

I counted the

words

in Vaxkiller's iso.

THERE ARE

FIFTY EIGHT

WORDS

TOTAL.

You do know that that can similalry describe your own slot, right?

VFP had 7 posts in 100 pages

[Lukewarm]

I counted the

words

in Vaxkiller's iso.

THERE ARE

FIFTY EIGHT

WORDS

TOTAL.

You do know that that can similalry describe your own slot, right?

VFP had 7 posts in 100 pages

I know mine's town, so from my POV it makes Vaxkiller even more scummy.

Can you explain why that would make him "even more scummy?" If he did the exact same thing that you predecessor, who you know is town, did?

[Lukewarm]

This is a big game with a lot of hyper posters, some townies are bound to lose their footing in the social landscape.

Like, you literally just said this about VFP, and with that on your mind, you did not even consider that as a possibility that could apply to Vax as well?

[Lukewarm]

vfp's inactivity is pretty blatantly NAI like idc, judge the slot based on the newcomer, nothing VFP said was alignment indicative when their claim of being sick is applied, and if you think it was, you're trolling

I believe that VFP was ill on the 18th, but I have no reason to believe that they were ill on the 15th or the 16th -- given that they did not replace out of any games on those days, and they were posting on site, but they were not posting here.

It is a pretty quick check for you to go see how many posts the made total on site on those days, compared to how many posts they made here.

[Lukewarm]

vfp's inactivity is pretty blatantly NAI like idc, judge the slot based on the newcomer, nothing VFP said was alignment indicative when their claim of being sick is applied, and if you think it was, you're trolling

Lukewarm doesn't want to vote his buddy Vax.

I never said that Vax was town here, I am trying to understand your logic.

If anything, atm I would guess that you are both scum, just for different factions lol

[Lukewarm]

@Anya

You said you would have been on board with Cheeky, is there reason you are avoiding the new leading wagon, dgb?

[Lukewarm]

UNVOTE:

[Lukewarm]

i got him first

also i knew u were third mason

They were uh, not my guess

Although, it does explain mister ocean's 180 on me a bit more

[Lukewarm]

Poor manatee. Instead of being in a neighborhood with 2 townies, they got thrown into one with 5. No wonder they were scared to post there

[Lukewarm]

*distant rumbling noises*

*noises gets louder*

*rain pours down hard*

GUESS WHO IS BACK

ALSO, NEVER LEAVE A JOB UNDONE LITTLE BROTHER HAVE I NOT TAUGHT YOU ANYTHING

Mom, I have been meaning to ask:

Is it hard to be both the god of thunder and lightning AND to be the beautiful archery goddess?

Like, wow. Just so powerful

[Lukewarm]

What does malefactor do

Your ability is to be a malefactor miller, and that was not enough to make you figure out what the malefactor was? smh

@Everyone

Malefactor is a 3rd party role that win if the town loses. They do not count as scum for either scum team, and therefore, we do not have to kill them in order to win.

If we kill all of the mafia and all of the werewolves, then the malefactor will be endgamed.

[Lukewarm]

Hi

[Lukewarm]

You guys didn’t want to speed lynch and now the wagon is gone and people will focus elsewhere

I’m sorry morph I’m trying to make you proud of this town

Dude we unvoted in order to get morph's last will and testament

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: dgb

[Lukewarm]

lukewarm was ffery's strongest townread and you know what, im fine with giving him a townpass for the rest of the game. ffery is apparently very obsessed with him and i trust her read there plus i also townread lukewarm.

@ffery in the ghost chat:

[Lukewarm]

U know what, imma just claim more of it. Im basically a gunsmith but for ww

And roleblocker is a false positive?

Do you have a result from last night

[Lukewarm]

At this point I can only imagine that Taco is, in fact, the malefactor

[Lukewarm]

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=84709&user_select[]=1752

VOTE: DGB

I've been convinced.

Jesus fucking Christ