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Post Post #28 (isolation #0) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:44 am

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VOTE: Titus

Serial killer hero solve.
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Post Post #39 (isolation #1) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:17 am

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In post 33, Titus wrote:
In post 28, Roden wrote:VOTE: Titus

Serial killer hero solve.
Nope. I will win with my mason buddies again, just you watch.
Only if I throw three days in a row again lol.
In post 35, Saudade wrote:itt im mason with faria but because i outright claimed im mason with faria no one will suspect im mason with faria
Except that you are all now aware of this possibility so maybe im actually not mason with faria
Triple Masons confirmed?
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Post Post #57 (isolation #2) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:21 pm

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In post 40, Titus wrote:To be fair, you didn't throw. Almost everyone else did.
Fair point. I do think I made a little too much noise though, and I let myself get pocketed by Jake since I was so tunneled on DGB.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:43 am

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In post 74, oʍo wrote:Hi I'm a miller
Would you happen to be...Informed?
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Post Post #108 (isolation #4) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:43 am

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In post 104, oʍo wrote:
In post 86, Roden wrote:
In post 74, oʍo wrote:Hi I'm a miller
Would you happen to be...Informed?
informed of DN
A Death Neighborizer!? :eek:
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Post Post #115 (isolation #5) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:05 am

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In post 109, oʍo wrote:
In post 108, Roden wrote:
In post 104, oʍo wrote:
In post 86, Roden wrote:
In post 74, oʍo wrote:Hi I'm a miller
Would you happen to be...Informed?
informed of DN
A Death Neighborizer!? :eek:
Deez Nuts
Oof, gottem.
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Post Post #164 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:02 pm

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In post 157, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 104, oʍo wrote:
In post 86, Roden wrote:
In post 74, oʍo wrote:Hi I'm a miller
Would you happen to be...Informed?
informed of DN
What is DN?
Oh no.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:39 pm

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In post 165, Titus wrote:
In post 164, Roden wrote:
In post 157, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 104, oʍo wrote:
In post 86, Roden wrote:
In post 74, oʍo wrote:Hi I'm a miller
Would you happen to be...Informed?
informed of DN
What is DN?
Oh no.
I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?
In post 109, oʍo wrote:
In post 108, Roden wrote: A Death Neighborizer!? :eek:
Deez Nuts
But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:45 pm

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In post 137, oʍo wrote:
In post 135, ManateeDude wrote:general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai
translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons
In post 102, oʍo wrote:Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci
How serious is this?
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Post Post #218 (isolation #9) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:53 am

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In post 173, Roden wrote:
In post 137, oʍo wrote:
In post 135, ManateeDude wrote:general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai
translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons
In post 102, oʍo wrote:Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci
How serious is this?
Didn't get an answer to this.
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Post Post #222 (isolation #10) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:22 am

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In post 219, Looker wrote:Women = Roden, and I'm not switching because I like owo more. The cliqueyness was half-assed. It can be re-attacked later.
We get it, you're either scum claiming or you're a PR trying to hide yourself with scumminess so you don't get NK'd. Whatever, moving on.
In post 220, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: {Looker, Roden, ???}
I'm sorry, what?
In post 221, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Everything up to 172 is RVS, but in no way does it try to get out of RVS
In post 172, Roden wrote:
In post 165, Titus wrote:
In post 164, Roden wrote:
In post 157, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 104, oʍo wrote:
In post 86, Roden wrote:
In post 74, oʍo wrote:Hi I'm a miller
Would you happen to be...Informed?
informed of DN
What is DN?
Oh no.
I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?
In post 109, oʍo wrote:
In post 108, Roden wrote: A Death Neighborizer!? :eek:
Deez Nuts
But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.
I think scum's getting restless with RVS and is waiting for someone to make a move they can pounce on
In post 173, Roden wrote:
In post 137, oʍo wrote:
In post 135, ManateeDude wrote:general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai
translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons
In post 102, oʍo wrote:Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci
How serious is this?
Here there is a believable attempt to start solving, but since then, feels like a good amount has happened that Roden could be commenting on, especially given they feel RVS is going on too long
In post 218, Roden wrote:
In post 173, Roden wrote:
In post 137, oʍo wrote:
In post 135, ManateeDude wrote:general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai
translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons
In post 102, oʍo wrote:Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci
How serious is this?
Didn't get an answer to this.
But instead of continuing to look for solving info they're making a busy post.

VOTE: Roden
Because I didn't comment on everything and instead want to know how serious an accusation is, I'm scum?
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Post Post #244 (isolation #11) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:13 pm

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I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.

PE: Oh hi there again DGB. You're replacing into a controversial town lean slot.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #12) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:31 pm

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In post 245, marcistar wrote:
In post 244, Roden wrote:I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.
do u usually play like this..?
Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.
In post 246, Saudade wrote:controversial town lean slot with the most votes on him eksdia
Exactly.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #13) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:09 am

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In post 253, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 251, Roden wrote:
In post 245, marcistar wrote:
In post 244, Roden wrote:I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.
do u usually play like this..?
Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.
Let me take you through the reasoning again since you seem to not follow, based on you a) saying my read is unreasonable and b) calling my read hypocritical.

1. Roden's ISO up to 172 seems content to participate in RVS.
2. Roden, in 172, complains that RVS is going on too long. Conclusion: Roden wants to move the game out of RVS. Up to this point, the thought process tracks. You
were
fine to participate in RVS, but now you are tiring of it.
3. In 173, immediately afterward, you ask omo how serious their hero solve is. In good faith, this can be seen as an attempt to get the conversation moving
away
from RVS. To this point, your purported stance on RVS and your actions still track with one another.
4. Things of interest that could be commented on occur while you are offline
Spoiler: The things that happened, raw quotes, no context
In post 179, oʍo wrote:
In post 147, MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 75, oʍo wrote:
In post 66, MaxTheFox wrote:Is Not_Mafia trolling or what?

VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.
VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here
In what way is it a scumclaim? I think I'm keeping the vote then...
In what way isn't it?
In post 180, oʍo wrote:
In post 156, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 101, oʍo wrote:
In post 97, ManateeDude wrote:on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting
I think Looker's behavior is pretty town indicative in thought process, if very chaotic in nature.
Mention the post(s) you find town indicative please.
Which ones are scum indicative?
In post 184, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 180, oʍo wrote:
In post 156, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 101, oʍo wrote:
In post 97, ManateeDude wrote:on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting
I think Looker's behavior is pretty town indicative in thought process, if very chaotic in nature.
Mention the post(s) you find town indicative please.
Which ones are scum indicative?
This isn't the answer of my question and their posts are either NAI or fluff so far.


UNVOTE: geraintm

VOTE: OMO
In post 186, MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 179, oʍo wrote:
In post 147, MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 75, oʍo wrote:
In post 66, MaxTheFox wrote:Is Not_Mafia trolling or what?

VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.
VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here
In what way is it a scumclaim? I think I'm keeping the vote then...
In what way isn't it?
The burden of proof is on you, you accused me first.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
In post 193, oʍo wrote:
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?
In post 194, MaxTheFox wrote:
In post 193, oʍo wrote:
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?
It's scummy because it gets in the way of town's discussion. Especially since RVS is pretty much over.

And answer my question, with how you're dodging people's questions I'm happy to lock my vote onto you.
In post 195, oʍo wrote:Weird bc I've been doing more discussion than you have. Sounds like youre your own obstacle to getting into discussion and you're projecting that onto me :)

Also what you claim isnt proof that is my intent nor does your analysis look at intent. Happy to dunk you if you keep this up.
In post 197, marcistar wrote:
In post 162, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Also VOTE: Marcistar masons unite on this
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In post 167, Salsabil Faria wrote:
I want to change my vote, who should I vote and why?
vote whoever.
im voting looker because i felt like the whole "waiting on max" thing was just them making excuses to not post. and my vote kept, because i don't really like his posting following manatees questioning them.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
don't think what they've been doing is really scummy rn, the game was not really serious and they seem to have been trying to drive it into serious zone.
In post 200, Saudade wrote:Max has reacted alright to the few votes thrown at him actually
In post 204, geraintm wrote:
In post 167, Salsabil Faria wrote:[color=8040FF]I want to change my vote, who should I vote and why?[/color]
hate this post.
+1 on my scum index
In post 206, Looker wrote:Also, VOTE: owo - she's pocketing Not_Mafia, and her and marcistar are being cliquey. Fight the power. End the oppressive regime.
In post 212, ManateeDude wrote:looker looking like a good policy lim on top of the fact i dont really dont TR them at all
In post 214, Not_Mafia wrote:Don't like how quickly Saudade has let go of his hate boner
In post 217, marcistar wrote:
In post 205, Looker wrote:Why are Women voting Titus? Is she a misogynist?
tbh, i remember reading the vote count.. and i was just confused who women was because i dont remember there being someone named that.. am i remembering wrong?
In post 206, Looker wrote:Also, VOTE: owo - she's pocketing Not_Mafia, and her and marcistar are being cliquey. Fight the power. End the oppressive regime.
In post 209, Looker wrote:I confused owo with Manatee - it's all pink and blue
"cliquey" are u saying thats scummy..? whats making you want to use that to go after her instead of me..?
and, if ur confusing owo with manatee, why did u not switch onto manatee once u realized this mistake?

5. In 218, when you return, your immediate post is "Didn't get an answer to this." Your question was directed at omo, and if you had read to know he didnt answer you, you would have also seen he was husy engaging with one of the scumreads in his hero solve. A more appropriate follow up for town that was tring to sort omo would be to comment on his interaction with Max, or follow up with a question asking him to explain his read on Marci or Manatee, as it seems clear that he is serious about Max, and by extension, should be serious about the others.

In my opinion, you should have been commenting on the action from 4. 218 is the kind of post that scum makes to give the appearance they are genuinely scumhunting: "look everyone, when he didn't answer my question, I didnt forget about it. Call me town because I'm following through with this" - I used to do this as scum all the time. I would re-iso myself constantly and make sure everyone had answered my questions and if they had not, I would get loud about it. Because a lot of people will form scumreads because "this person is asking questions but isn't drawing meaningful conclusions", or "... but doesn't seem to care when they go unanswered"

There is the reasoning.

a) My read on you is not unreasonable.
b) The basis of my read is that you did not comment on things that could take the game out of RVS when you purport to be tiring of it. There is nothing hypocritical about my read, because I did not say I was tiring of RVS (though I was, and was having difficulty forming reads), and am bringing something that gets the ball rolling instead of doing very little about it and trying to make it look like I am doing more than I am.

To say my read is hypocritical is to show that you are not trying to understand my thought process. If you had tried to understand it, you would have known what my issue with you was, and you would not accuse me of being hypocritical. It shows you are thinking at a shallow level by reducing my read on you to "Roden didnt comment on everything so he is scum" and trying to flip that reduction around on me and call me hypocritical for not commenting on everything.
This is way too long winded for you to just confirm that you think I'm scum because I didn't comment on everything. I'm literally trying to follow up on a question I asked and because I didn't also live react to everything else along the way, I guess that means I have to be scum.

I really don't know what else to tell you. The amount of shit you want me to comment on is extremely unreasonable, and I'm the only one you're trying to hold to such a standard.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #14) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:12 am

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In post 258, marcistar wrote:
In post 251, Roden wrote:
In post 245, marcistar wrote:
In post 244, Roden wrote:I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.
do u usually play like this..?
Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.
i dont think its unreasonable, you seem a bit held back this game :P
do you usually play so go-with-the-flow held back type of style?
I've literally never played a game with you before? What are you talking about here?

And haven't you just been memeing all game and brushing off every accusation toward you?

VOTE: Marcistar
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Post Post #277 (isolation #15) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:37 am

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In post 268, ManateeDude wrote:"someone wrote a long read on me early in the game guess im confscum"

ur not quite doing yourself any favours there
This is gross misinterpretation of what I wrote lol.
In post 269, ManateeDude wrote:i think marci was just asking if this is ur normal playstyle? what abt her comment provoked such a strong response from you?
What strong response?
In post 271, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: Roden

i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy
Lmao. Everyone loves to pull the defensive card every time somebody responds to a scum read. This is essentially a non-post. And with the vote attached it's basically a naked vote.

I wonder if you're trying to draw away attention from Marci and Max after all.
DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 271, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: Roden

i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy
Is this "caught for the wrong reasons?"

That's the question.
There's nothing to catch.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #16) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:44 am

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In post 270, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Not saying you needed to comment on every post in the spoiler, that would be unreasonable. I did expect to see something different from you from context though - something that matched the context of omo's interactions with Max at least, or a comment on one of the other subjects under discussion.

I'll assume since you're now saying that expecting you to comment on everything was unreasonable that you're no longer saying the push itself is unreasonable and leave it at that for now.
I don't think the push is unreasonable no, I think it's a townie thing to do. Your reasoning makes no sense though because you're ignoring the other two players I was talking with as well. All I wanted was follow up on a question I asked, and I don't think I can contribute too well if I poke into several other concurrent conversations. In bigger groups I prefer to spread out the responsibilities of gathering information and scum hunting. I don't usually look into more than a couple things at a time unless something pings me, which hasn't really happened. Otherwise I get overwhelmed.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #17) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:47 am

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Side note but I'd rather avoid the song and dance of taking me to E-1 to get me to claim. I'm telling you now that it's a waste of time and that I don't really want to bother defending myself for the next few days over literally nothing. So if y'all want me to claim now just say the word.
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Post Post #294 (isolation #18) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:43 am

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VOTE: ManateeDude

So you're saying you're not paying attention and just sheeping the first player to make a detailed scum read? And your own justification for voting me is that I'm "defensive"? You might as well be scum claiming tbh.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #19) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:20 pm

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In post 296, ManateeDude wrote:do you not think ur response to kyoukos read on you was defensive?
Of course it's defensive, I'm not gonna agree with a scum read on me lol. That's why I said your vote post was honestly just a non-post. Saying somebody is defensive means nothing and is more likely to come from scum looking for an easy justification for voting someone.

If defensiveness was AI then Mafia would be a solved game. That obviously isn't true however, yet your vote seems to reflect that kind of thought process.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #20) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:18 pm

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In post 299, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 294, Roden wrote: And your own justification for voting me is that I'm "defensive"? You might as well be scum claiming tbh.
this statement implies you don't think you're being defensive which is why I asked you
Does this change your own reasoning? I don't think it really matters what I think of myself.
ManateeDude wrote:my statement was i think you are being TOO defensive given the circumstances
How can someone be too defensive? It's not like I had a meltdown, I didn't even OMGUS vote and instead said Kyouko was town despite the accusation. I don't think your statement here has much going for it tbh.
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Post Post #359 (isolation #21) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:52 pm

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In post 309, ManateeDude wrote:responding prematurely and snarkily to a single scumread meets my definition of "too defensive"
Why haven't you accused Marci then? She got accused multiple times and just responded with GIFs. She even admitted she doesn't feel like responding to them, which is honestly worse than getting defensive. Not even IMO, just objectively that is worse to ignore accusations and drown them out with memes.
In post 313, ManateeDude wrote:yea i just think its suuuper weird with how u responded to the push given at the time of that post you had like 3-4 votes on you at that point

your response to the scumread on you is overly worried and i feel it echoes someone elses statement abt u possibly feeling "scumread for the wrong reason"
Worried how? You literally just said my response was premature and snarky. But now I waited until I was getting wagon'd and got overly worried? This is a pretty blatant contradiction.
In post 315, Saudade wrote:to be fair there hasn't been a single obvtown in this game so far and that's a bit worrying
Looker slot kind of. But not really for the right reasons. You're feeling very townie too though I wouldn't call you obvtown.
ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: omo
i like this more and more
ManateeDude wrote:i dont really want to vote roden rn esp considering the weird "i'll claim now" post that i'll need to revisit now
You gave up on me really quickly.

There's not a lot to read into with my claim post. It's pretty obvious scum bait because only scum has reason to encourage me to claim. I also just don't want to waste time building up a wagon just to dissolve it a couple IRL days from now, we're better off just scum hunting.
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Post Post #368 (isolation #22) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:59 pm

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In post 358, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Tbh I forgot about geraintm
Last mini normal I had with Geraintm had him basically inactive until final three ELo and he was town. Like I don't want to be mean but he literally just complained all game and didn't really try to solve. Him being inactive here again is likely just NAI but confbias makes it a town lean personally.
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Post Post #373 (isolation #23) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:06 pm

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In post 367, ManateeDude wrote:roden do you still scumread me or r u just looking for contradictions in the way i posed things
Your suspicions all look like scummy intent to me, so yes. I'm not too focused on contradictions though because every time I look at those to scum read somebody they almost always end up town. I think scum would be more mindful to avoid contradicting themselves, while town tends to post more off the cuff without necessarily making sure they're always consistent.

But again, I don't think your intentions come from a town mindset. Contradictions aside, you're still scrambling to get a wagon going and force attention on other people. Maybe to cover for a scum buddy who previously had suspicion on them?
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Post Post #377 (isolation #24) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:17 pm

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In post 374, ManateeDude wrote: do tell then! if ur looking for motivation behind my posts you should be seeking out a possible buddy instead of vaguely mentioning it as a possibility
I already have.
In post 173, Roden wrote:
In post 137, oʍo wrote:
In post 135, ManateeDude wrote:general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai
translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons
In post 102, oʍo wrote:Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci
How serious is this?
In post 277, Roden wrote:
In post 271, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: Roden

i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy
Lmao. Everyone loves to pull the defensive card every time somebody responds to a scum read. This is essentially a non-post. And with the vote attached it's basically a naked vote.

I wonder if you're trying to draw away attention from Marci and Max after all.
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In post 309, ManateeDude wrote:responding prematurely and snarkily to a single scumread meets my definition of "too defensive"
Why haven't you accused Marci then? She got accused multiple times and just responded with GIFs. She even admitted she doesn't feel like responding to them, which is honestly worse than getting defensive. Not even IMO, just objectively that is worse to ignore accusations and drown them out with memes.
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Post Post #381 (isolation #25) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:26 pm

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Interesting to note that Max's last vote had her town lean Manatee ("trust me" is a horrible reason to do so btw), then abruptly stopped posting. Manatee then started throwing a bunch of suspicion around the moment Max started to lay low. It looks like somebody's buddy trying to get attention off of them after a rough start.

And again, Manatee seems to be giving Marci a free pass for things she's accused other people of doing. She won't even acknowledge it when I bring it up either.

PE:
ManateeDude wrote:in response to marci while i dont have her at the top of my townreads i havent derived scum motivation and i also pressed your predecessor. its pretty obvious i was trying to gage a reaction from you and i didnt need to do that with marci yet
Who's my predecessor?

And why don't you need to pressure Marci "yet"? Why is that time sensitive? Why can't you pressure more than one person at a time when I got scum read for not doing exactly that?
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Post Post #384 (isolation #26) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:29 pm

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In post 378, Saudade wrote:
In post 353, ManateeDude wrote:saudade talk to me abt titus vote
If day ends right this moment and i have to pick a target itd be titus
Does scum!Titus usually play the way she has this game i.e. low key with sparse posts? Last mini normal she played as a "too good to be true" townie and won.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #27) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:39 pm

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In post 386, marcistar wrote:
In post 381, Roden wrote:Interesting to note that Max's last vote had her town lean Manatee ("trust me" is a horrible reason to do so btw), then abruptly stopped posting. Manatee then started throwing a bunch of suspicion around the moment Max started to lay low. It looks like somebody's buddy trying to get attention off of them after a rough start.

And again, Manatee seems to be giving Marci a free pass for things she's accused other people of doing. She won't even acknowledge it when I bring it up either.
hmm, so do u actually think its me x manatee x max?
I'm not being given much of a reason to think otherwise atm. Why are the three of you so opposed to scum reading each other?
In post 387, Saudade wrote:
In post 384, Roden wrote:
In post 378, Saudade wrote:
In post 353, ManateeDude wrote:saudade talk to me abt titus vote
If day ends right this moment and i have to pick a target itd be titus
Does scum!Titus usually play the way she has this game i.e. low key with sparse posts? Last mini normal she played as a "too good to be true" townie and won.
idk ??
Oh. I thought that's what you were trying to lead into, whoops.
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Post Post #393 (isolation #28) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:43 pm

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In post 388, ManateeDude wrote:roden i think ur focusing on theorycrafting instead of reading.

u responded defensively to a vote on you. marci didnt respond in a way i scumread regardless of whether it was objectively good or bad
What theory crafting? I looked at your interactions after you literally told me to do so.

Your refusal to even look at Marci is what's pinging me. You actually got very defensive of her yourself when I voted her. Why is that?
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Post Post #411 (isolation #29) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:08 pm

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In post 395, marcistar wrote:
In post 390, Roden wrote:Why are the three of you so opposed to scum reading each other?
should i scumread people who i dont actually think are scum??? :oops:

-i feel sort of like max needs to post more before i would be able to have a confident read on them
-manatee, i had a fairly big townread on before, but im not as sure anymore as of recently. ^.^
Not what I said. It's just strange that all three of you had zero suspicions on each other despite not really interacting much or even questioning each other.
In post 396, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 393, Roden wrote:
In post 388, ManateeDude wrote:roden i think ur focusing on theorycrafting instead of reading.

u responded defensively to a vote on you. marci didnt respond in a way i scumread regardless of whether it was objectively good or bad
What theory crafting? I looked at your interactions after you literally told me to do so.

Your refusal to even look at Marci is what's pinging me. You actually got very defensive of her yourself when I voted her. Why is that?
i literally just clarified a pretty obvious point that u didn't read properly? im not sure how that adds up to "very defensive"
I just read the post where you got defensive of Marci. You immediately jumped in and voted me and defended her the moment I voted her.
In post 399, ManateeDude wrote:Roden i think ur theorycrafting bc ur reading into normal interactions on a way deeper level
Can you explain this? Because this sounds like a fake observation. A major part of Mafia is analyzing interactions, and brushing that off as just useless theory crafting is not a good look.
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Post Post #413 (isolation #30) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:31 pm

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In post 404, ManateeDude wrote:[Saudade, ssbm, max]
[Roden, Salsa, N_M]
[geraint, marci, goofball] null
[Titus, Dwlee]
[owo]

so this is out there
I agree about Dwlee's placement the most here. Their ISO is awful but idk if that's just their playstyle.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #31) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:33 pm

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In post 449, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 413, Roden wrote:
In post 404, ManateeDude wrote:[Saudade, ssbm, max]
[Roden, Salsa, N_M]
[geraint, marci, goofball] null
[Titus, Dwlee]
[owo]

so this is out there
I agree about Dwlee's placement the most here. Their ISO is awful but idk if that's just their playstyle.
No, it’s not.
???

You voted Dwlee?
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Post Post #459 (isolation #32) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:36 pm

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In post 458, Roden wrote:
In post 449, Salsabil Faria wrote:
In post 413, Roden wrote:
In post 404, ManateeDude wrote:[Saudade, ssbm, max]
[Roden, Salsa, N_M]
[geraint, marci, goofball] null
[Titus, Dwlee]
[owo]

so this is out there
I agree about Dwlee's placement the most here. Their ISO is awful but idk if that's just their playstyle.
No, it’s not.
???

You voted Dwlee?
Or are you referring to the playstyle comment? Because first thought was that you were referring to the ISO comment.
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Post Post #525 (isolation #33) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:15 am

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In post 505, Titus wrote:
In post 294, Roden wrote:VOTE: ManateeDude

So you're saying you're not paying attention and just sheeping the first player to make a detailed scum read? And your own justification for voting me is that I'm "defensive"? You might as well be scum claiming tbh.
Why does your tone sound different than the last time we played together?
Different how?
Titus wrote:
In post 384, Roden wrote:
In post 378, Saudade wrote:
In post 353, ManateeDude wrote:saudade talk to me abt titus vote
If day ends right this moment and i have to pick a target itd be titus
Does scum!Titus usually play the way she has this game i.e. low key with sparse posts? Last mini normal she played as a "too good to be true" townie and won.
My posting depends on real life. After that, I prioritize deadline games and elo games. D1 RVS stage I hate, so it's my lowest priority.
That makes sense honestly.
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Post Post #544 (isolation #34) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:50 am

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In post 535, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.
I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?
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Post Post #551 (isolation #35) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:36 pm

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In post 548, Titus wrote:
In post 525, Roden wrote:Different how?
Don't ask me to quantify a tone read. I can't.
This feels like a genuine response, at least.

My tone kinda just changes between games, depending on how my last game or so went.
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Post Post #552 (isolation #36) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:39 pm

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In post 549, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 544, Roden wrote:
In post 535, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.
I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?
Uh no and I don't think this is a good faith attempt at repeating back what I said at all.
I didn't repeat anything back. How else am I supposed to interpret your post if your only accusation against Kyouko is "she should know that I don't pay attention"?
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Post Post #599 (isolation #37) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:26 pm

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In post 555, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 552, Roden wrote:
In post 549, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 544, Roden wrote:
In post 535, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.
I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?
Uh no and I don't think this is a good faith attempt at repeating back what I said at all.
I didn't repeat anything back. How else am I supposed to interpret your post if your only accusation against Kyouko is "she should know that I don't pay attention"?
You said I voted Kyo for pushing me. If that's your interpretation you're severely misreading what I'm writing or trying to misrep me to make me look scummy.
Restate your accusation then. I'm standing by what I said, and I'm not gonna let you gaslight me into thinking I misread what was a very blatantly lazy retaliation post from you against Kyouko.
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Post Post #603 (isolation #38) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:30 pm

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Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.
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Post Post #605 (isolation #39) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:30 pm

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In post 597, Saudade wrote:
In post 594, Dwlee99 wrote:Mason buddy c'mon you can't be saying the L-word so much
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Post Post #608 (isolation #40) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:34 pm

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In post 606, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 603, Roden wrote:Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.
its a lot harder to townread someone being an asshole
Yeahhhh...

Kinda wondering if this is gonna be a game where town cannibalizes itself Days 1 and 2 while scum just lays low for free.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #41) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:09 pm

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In post 619, Dwlee99 wrote:Also a lot of the pushing on me felt like they wanted me to out who my mason partner was cause it obviously wasn't Saudade.
I just wanted you to play, you're coming off as very passive and just sheeping other people. Even when pressured you're just lightly flailing. I don't think you're necessarily scummy, but you're not really doing much to help town and the Kyokou read isn't good. Who do you suspect besides her?

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna write up a reads list and figure who to push from there. Idk if Dwlee is the right vote today.
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Post Post #644 (isolation #42) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:07 pm

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In post 622, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 612, Dwlee99 wrote:[ManateeGal], Titus, and Kyo
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I feel like you keep asking me questions I've already answered or saying things about things I've posted that aren't true.
Why are you editing your own post to make your quote look more credible...?

So if I understand correctly, you told me I was misinterpreting your accusation. You aren't suspecting Kyouko just because she voted you. But here you're directly saying you suspect Manatee and Titus because they voted for you. You even throw in Kyouko
again
and say her vote is terrible.

What exactly am I misinterpreting?
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Post Post #648 (isolation #43) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:18 pm

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In post 646, Dwlee99 wrote:I edited "you" to Manatee for readability... Dude what
You changed the content and formatting completely. The original post didn't look like the hero solve you tried to make it look like afterwards at all.
In post 647, Dwlee99 wrote:And it isn't that they're voting me alone. It's that they're voting me for terrible reasons. That's scummy
What terrible reasons? Were my reasons good then?
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Post Post #651 (isolation #44) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:29 pm

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In post 649, Dwlee99 wrote:Except based on context it's very clearly who I'm scum reading.

I don't even remember why you voted me so I don't know. They probably weren't good reasons if I had to bet based on our conversations.
That's the issue then. You can't just scum read everyone who votes in a way you don't like. By your logic, there should be at least four scum in the game, and you've played long to know that just isn't true. You should know better than that by now
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Post Post #661 (isolation #45) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:07 pm

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In post 654, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 651, Roden wrote:
In post 649, Dwlee99 wrote:Except based on context it's very clearly who I'm scum reading.

I don't even remember why you voted me so I don't know. They probably weren't good reasons if I had to bet based on our conversations.
That's the issue then. You can't just scum read everyone who votes in a way you don't like. By your logic, there should be at least four scum in the game, and you've played long to know that just isn't true. You should know better than that by now
I feel like you just aren't understanding my posts if you still think I scumread people solely for voting where I don't like.
You keep saying this but you've refused to clarify or explain any of your reads for the past few pages now. I've even asked you to but you've ignored my requests.
In post 655, MathBlade wrote:
In post 653, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 625, MathBlade wrote:What dad joke?
When does a joke become a dad joke?

Spoiler:
When it becomes apparent.
Heheheheh.

Gonna produce some content?

Also Roden’s post sucks. FoS’s can be on more players than scum. It’s also possible there’s four scum we don’t know

VOTE: Roden
Terrible vote and reasoning. Thanks for claiming scum.
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Post Post #663 (isolation #46) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:08 pm

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In post 626, MathBlade wrote:
In post 28, Roden wrote:VOTE: Titus

Serial killer hero solve.
Why are you hunting 3P?
You're literally reading RVS. This can't be a genuine question...
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Post Post #665 (isolation #47) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:27 pm

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TOWN READS


Kyouko- Probably the closest we have to obvtown.

DGB- Looker spewed town before they replaced in.

TOWN LEANS


Not_Mafia- He's been inactive the past couple days but he was actually trying to solve early on.

Titus- She's not trying too hard to look town, she's actively trying to gain information, and her responses feel genuine.

Salsabil- She only has one read that I disagree with, which actually helps make me think her reads are authentic and not just following general consensus.

NULL


OMO and Saudade (not Math)- Both are Null for the same reason. Both have been fairly chaotic, which helps generate content, but they're not doing a whole lot of actual solving themselves.

Geraintm- Not much content to look at. He's done this as town before but it's ultimately NAI.

Dwlee- Idk why they're making such a conscious effort to look scummy. It makes me think possibly just confused town, but they've played long enough to know better.

SCUM LEANS


ManateeDude- I feel like she has scum equity with Max and Marci after we had our back and forth. She occasionally gives town vibes with her posts though, so not a definite scum read.

Math (not Saudade)- Terrible entrance, terrible vote, and fake sounding questions all make him sound incredibly scummy in a short amount of time. Combined with my read on Saudade, this slot doesnt feel good at all to me.

SCUM READS


Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity. Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.

Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.

All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.
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Post Post #693 (isolation #48) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:23 pm

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In post 669, marcistar wrote:
In post 665, Roden wrote:Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity.
Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.
having trouble with my reads, though that isn't too much of a valid excuse. I have townreads mostly, and "they dont seem scummy enough to vote" reads, but im not really too confident in anything.
In post 665, Roden wrote:All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.
whatchu waiting for? why didnt u vote in this post if ur willing to vote out either of me/max?
Who are your town reads? Who looks scummy but not enough to vote them?

I waited to vote because I wanted to see reactions to my lack of vote. I think your reaction is the most interesting, it reads like you want to "gotcha" me for not voting. But all you're doing is implying it's suspicious. Compare this to Math who made a full scum case out of it.

VOTE: Marcistar
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In post 665, Roden wrote: Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.
I haven't been exactly laying low. Look at my ISO.
I've seen your ISO, a lot of your posts became very safe after your wagon cooled off. It's hard to read your posts and not notice how cautious you've been.
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In post 603, Roden wrote:Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.
No he's just an pillion. An pillion with town vibes tho. I can't quite explain it.

Wait he got replaced? I didn't catch up yet. Welcome Math!
I can agree with this.
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Post Post #694 (isolation #49) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:47 pm

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In post 667, MathBlade wrote: Ooh yay! Just “terrible” no explanation. If I had claimed scum you’d be able to explain it. This reeks of OMGUS. You seem like a really experienced newbie and I can’t place why.
There's a reason I didn't vote you. You defended Dwlee's logic, so I used it to "scum read" you to make a point. Hopefully now you understand why I was disputing Dwlee's reads.
In post 668, MathBlade wrote: It was. I am an old foagie who plays games from time to time and I keep forgetting normals changed. I like replacing in and reading RVS and poking at tone and seeing initial thoughts and seeing how they vibe. Scum have a hard time being emotionally and logically consistent. They’re usually one or the other.
Still doesn't really explain why you took a RVS joke vote so seriously. It read like you were genuinely trying to scum read me off of that.
In post 670, MathBlade wrote: Look! I am town! Look at this readwall! I am so town! This is me “solving”

Read walls don’t help solve. You think Max and Marci are scum? Push them. Say why they are scum. Repeat it.

Spreading a wide net like this without following anything is really fake.
I think you lost a lot context skimming through the thread. I hadn't put out a reads list yet and had promised to do so a couple pages ago. I'd previously just been questioning people and disputing reads, so I figured it was best that everyone knew my own reads so far. The reads list wasn't meant to solve anything.

I do think Marci and Max are scum, and I have been pushing them, btw. I really think you should read ISOs or at least look at context before making claims like this.
In post 674, MathBlade wrote: I hate this post. It reeks of things I have done as scum. It feels like you’re a scum me. I can’t explain it but you are pinging me hard.
Getting real tired of seeing posts like these every other game tbh. I've had several different people make the argument of "I think you're scum because you remind me of a scum me" and it's just annoying. Especially as I've been town every single time this accusation gets thrown at me. I genuinely think it's conceited to hold someone to your own standards in regards to playstyle, and it's honestly a meaningless take anyway as it does absolutely nothing to advance the game due to how intangible it is.
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Post Post #695 (isolation #50) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:05 pm

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In post 676, ManateeDude wrote:i dont much like rodens posting either math but i think hes in the right kind of mindset. how do u feel abt the way hes approaching the game?
In post 688, MathBlade wrote:
In post 608, Roden wrote:
In post 606, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 603, Roden wrote:Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.
its a lot harder to townread someone being an asshole
Yeahhhh...

Kinda wondering if this is gonna be a game where town cannibalizes itself Days 1 and 2 while scum just lays low for free.
First post I have vibed with you on. You might be town after all.

VOTE: Unvote
Interesting. I wasn't expecting these posts tbh.
In post 691, MathBlade wrote:
In post 676, ManateeDude wrote:i dont much like rodens posting either math but i think hes in the right kind of mindset. how do u feel abt the way hes approaching the game?
I don’t really see how he’s approaching it except the post I vibed with him on. I would like to see more offense and less defense from him.

Right now it doesn’t seem like we’re [town] communicating but we’re all just saying reads and need to collaborate somehow.
I thought I had the opposite problem tbh. I've been on the offense all day today.

The reads are only coming out now because a lot of people hadn't made any yet. I don't think most of us realized that not much time was left for the vote.
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Post Post #711 (isolation #51) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:28 pm

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I was getting the feeling that Dwlee is just a flailing townie.
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Post Post #822 (isolation #52) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:53 am

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In post 815, marcistar wrote:
In post 693, Roden wrote:Who are your town reads? Who looks scummy but not enough to vote them?

I waited to vote because I wanted to see reactions to my lack of vote. I think your reaction is the most interesting, it reads like you want to "gotcha" me for not voting. But all you're doing is implying it's suspicious. Compare this to Math who made a full scum case out of it.
<<owo, salsabil, mathblade, ssbm_kyouko>> are my townreads yes sir
<<maybe titus>> on their own tier because like :shifty: im confused
<<not_mafia, maybe you, maybe max>> are the people who i dont wanna vote (:

<<geraintm, drippinggoofball, dwlee99, manatee>> would be left overs
So the left overs are your scum reads then? Between the four of them, who do you think we should vote?
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Post Post #857 (isolation #53) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:22 am

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In post 833, marcistar wrote:
In post 822, Roden wrote:So the left overs are your scum reads then? Between the four of them, who do you think we should vote?
i dont like pushing my opinions onto people :yawn:
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dwlee and drippinggoofball are the ones i would choose between the 4
but then i feel bad for dwlee
so im fine with my current vote
You kinda have to push, that's the game.

I had to look back at who you voted because I forgot and, uh...your last vote was during RVS. On Looker.
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Post Post #872 (isolation #54) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:52 am

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In post 867, marcistar wrote:
In post 857, Roden wrote:I had to look back at who you voted because I forgot and, uh...your last vote was during RVS. On Looker.
:yawn: wasnt random for me tho <3 <3
You did say this earlier. What makes you think DGB is equally as scummy as Looker?
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Post Post #878 (isolation #55) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:10 am

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In post 665, Roden wrote:
TOWN READS


Kyouko- Probably the closest we have to obvtown.

DGB- Looker spewed town before they replaced in.

TOWN LEANS


Not_Mafia- He's been inactive the past couple days but he was actually trying to solve early on.

Titus- She's not trying too hard to look town, she's actively trying to gain information, and her responses feel genuine.

Salsabil- She only has one read that I disagree with, which actually helps make me think her reads are authentic and not just following general consensus.

NULL


OMO and Saudade (not Math)- Both are Null for the same reason. Both have been fairly chaotic, which helps generate content, but they're not doing a whole lot of actual solving themselves.

Geraintm- Not much content to look at. He's done this as town before but it's ultimately NAI.

Dwlee- Idk why they're making such a conscious effort to look scummy. It makes me think possibly just confused town, but they've played long enough to know better.

SCUM LEANS


ManateeDude- I feel like she has scum equity with Max and Marci after we had our back and forth. She occasionally gives town vibes with her posts though, so not a definite scum read.

Math (not Saudade)- Terrible entrance, terrible vote, and fake sounding questions all make him sound incredibly scummy in a short amount of time. Combined with my read on Saudade, this slot doesnt feel good at all to me.

SCUM READS


Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity. Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.

Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.

All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.
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Post Post #886 (isolation #56) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:21 am

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In post 879, oʍo wrote:I hate when people say im not solving when clearly i am but in my own way of poking and prodding people for alignment tells lmfao
Not to clear myself, but that might imply uninformed majority if people can't tell if you're solving or not.
In post 880, oʍo wrote:anything change since you posted that BTW?
Math jumped up to Null. I think you and Math could be TvS though.

Dwlee and Salsabil swapped places as well. I'll have to reread ISOs but Salsabil's posts have occasionally pinged me when catching up on posts but never enough to keep my attention. And Dwlee really does just feel like flailing town, especially with the weird tunnel on Titus.
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Post Post #889 (isolation #57) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:29 am

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Marci, if you're town I really want you to defend yourself. I don't want you mis-elim'd if you're just a passive player, so please make a case for yourself.

The biggest thing that's pinged me are your associatives with Max and Manatee, and then the blatant distancing that happened afterward. Something I commented on and that Kyouko noticed too is that it also looked like you were trying to build fake scum equity with Manatee. Your vote on Looker/DGB also doesn't read as town since you've made several accusations and suspected others since then. Why did you never change your vote/why are you so certain about DGB?

These are the things that need to be addressed the most IMO.
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Post Post #917 (isolation #58) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:51 am

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In post 894, marcistar wrote:
In post 889, Roden wrote:Marci, if you're town I really want you to defend yourself. I don't want you mis-elim'd if you're just a passive player, so please make a case for yourself.
I don't mind too much, it shows peoples true colors if theyre attacking one of the easiest targets <3 <3
like really, would it not give juicy info with how people are settling with me and theres no fight back..? (ignoring the one game where i really flopped like a fish within 3hrs), as scum i usually try harder because i dont want to let down my team, so why am i not attacking hard and trying to ensure i live to help my "team"? why as scum would i just be settling down with my elim..?
Because town has zero motivation to settle and let themselves be elim'd. Scum may do so to invoke WIFOM, or to make the exact argument you're making. Because yes, why would scum just lay down and die?

Thing is, you can't claim you're not fighting back. You've been sprinkling suspicion on others throughout all of Day 1.
In post 889, Roden wrote:The biggest thing that's pinged me are your associatives with Max and Manatee, and then the blatant distancing that happened afterward. Something I commented on and that Kyouko noticed too is that it also looked like you were trying to build fake scum equity with Manatee. Your vote on Looker/DGB also doesn't read as town since you've made several accusations and suspected others since then. Why did you never change your vote/why are you so certain about DGB?
"associatives with max" i dont get how thats happened, theyre barely around for me to even attempt to buddy. I see how "associatives with manatee" could be a thing though.
"Attempt to buddy" uhhhh...

Your associative with Max isn't direct but through Manatee. Your statement though implies you checked your ISO to fact check yourself, which is weird since you should just know if you talked much with Max or not.
"blatant distancing" i started distancing with manatee after i suddenly didnt like their vote, wow really a big shock how i dont wanna continue buddying someone i dont agree with anymore :oops: :oops:
but if yall think that distancing can only come from scum :oops: :oops: honey u got a big storm coming for ya <3
You did it after you got called out. Claiming that you're distancing doesn't sound good either since town has no reason to distance.
"build fake scum equity" then why havent i been told to stop in maf chat..? its obv leading me into a very bad spot, why would my scumteam just let me continue doing it..? if im scum, its clearly doing more harm than good at this point right..? cuz if im scum and yall are seeing thru it this easily, its not all that helpful towards scum and instead helps town more.
It happened awhile ago now, back when me and Manatee had our back and forth. If you were told to stop it would've been back then.
the thing is im not super confident in the looker/drippinggoofball vote, its just the thing that i feel is best out of everyone so i kept it there for so long.
"made several accusations and suspected others" but that didnt make drippinggoofball more townie in my eyes at all? he was my most preferred always, but i cant just ignore chat for hrs and hrs, i was trying to figure out the stepping stone after that <3
The problem is that you never really made a case for the slot. You've made cases for me and Manatee, for instance, but not your biggest scum read.
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Post Post #918 (isolation #59) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:53 am

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I will say though that your defense here is actually more reasonable than I expected. I'm just not seeing the town motivation for using scum tactics like buddying and distancing, nor for why you haven't really pushed your biggest scum read.
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Post Post #939 (isolation #60) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:25 pm

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I'm getting paranoid about my read on Marci. Like on one hand, I'm starting to doubt it after her defense because it was pretty reasonable, and looking through her ISO all of what she said checks out. And the wagon on her built surprisingly quickly before I could even make a full scum case, which feels off. But on the other hand, she's openly admitting to using scum tactics, she isn't pushing her biggest scum read, and I get a sense she's doing her homework to make sure everything she says checks out, which kinda conflicts with her overall vibe and demeanor that she's putting across. Like, using a lot of emojis and hearts, but then making passive aggressive statements.
In post 894, marcistar wrote: "blatant distancing" i started distancing with manatee after i suddenly didnt like their vote, wow really a big shock how i dont wanna continue buddying someone i dont agree with anymore :oops: :oops:
but if yall think that distancing can only come from scum :oops: :oops: honey u got a big storm coming for ya <3
This specifically pinged me a lot. There's a lot of tonal dissonance in her posts but this is stands out the most to me.
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Post Post #944 (isolation #61) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:55 pm

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In post 941, marcistar wrote:
In post 939, Roden wrote:I get a sense she's doing her homework to make sure everything she says checks out, which kinda conflicts with her overall vibe and demeanor that she's putting across. Like, using a lot of emojis and hearts, but then making passive aggressive statements.
im sorry im dumb, is ur point that my emojis and passive aggressive statements clash eachother?

im not sure exactly but i think i become a bit passive aggressive when im frustrated.

i also like lowkey dont think i do homework, but if it looks like it thats fair enough.
It's kind of hard to describe. Going by how you've posted in other games, I don't think it's inauthentic or forced. It feels like you're exaggerating a cutesy/uwu front to mask your intentions and draw in empathy. But I've seen you do it as scum and town, so it could just be a clash of playstyles like you mentioned.
oʍo wrote:UNVOTE:

please lets find a viable counterwagon I dont want marci anymore after that wallpost
How do people feel about the other M's?
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Post Post #948 (isolation #62) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:53 pm

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In post 947, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 946, ManateeDude wrote:dwlees iso is pretty bad
WRONG
It's at least in the Bottom 3 for ISO's.
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Post Post #984 (isolation #63) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:32 pm

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I feel like I've either mind melded with Math or I'm getting manipulated hard. I'm super uneasy that we're agreeing on a
lot
of things now, even stuff I haven't directly said. Idk how to describe the potential technique here entirely, but I feel like he's done something where he tried to break me down with suspicion and pressure, then raise me up by slowly town reading me and agreeing with a lot of things I've said. And there were a few things earlier that I brought up to him that he never responded to and let get buried. With all the conversation leading he's done, he could be power wolfing. I'm also just really susceptible to pocketing, Jake got me way too easily in our last Mini Normal and on Day 1 too.

Or, we just naturally clicked after a rough start and he's just really strong as town. And I hate being paranoid of someone who seems to be on my side because then I feel bad. He seems more trustworthy than OMO too and I've been getting a strong feeling there's one scum between them due to their interactions.

This is real fucking rough but I'd rather put my trust in Math Day 1 regardless. I ultimately don't have a reason to want him gone over OMO especially when OMO does look scummier, especially with Manatee's case on them which I thought was pretty compelling. I understand this is just kind of a ramble, but I wanted to put it out here since I'm finding myself stuck between the two of them and trying to figure out who to trust. Especially with OMO voting Manatee and Math voting Marci, this could actually be between town and scum today with these wagons.
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Post Post #988 (isolation #64) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:43 pm

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In post 987, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:UNVOTE: I don't even know with this game anymore. Theres a hole in my reads somewhere.
I guess I could do max
VOTE: max

Pedit: Roden I think omo was voting Marci while she was he wagon and the same post you thought was townie from Marci, he thought too. So did I.
Yeah that's what's getting me here. What do you think of OMO and Math? Same with Marci and Manatee? You're voting Max but are you against a Manatee vote?
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Post Post #990 (isolation #65) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:53 pm

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Ok yeah that looks bad on Manatee.
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Post Post #998 (isolation #66) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:52 pm

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I was damn near town locking DGB due to Looker, but that is a good point about DGB's posts. Last game I was with DGB I ended up tunneling them to the point I tried to Vig them, but they also played way differently in that game. They've been extremely inactive and not really trying to make any waves this time around, possibly just coasting on the town read Looker forged for them. Re-evaluating Looker again, I also remember thinking they were trying to look scummy on purpose. It made me think they were either too scummy to be scummy and maybe had a PR, or they were gambitting we would assume TSTBS. I should've had them null in my reads list tbh.

I think I'm actually fine with this wagon.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball
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Post Post #999 (isolation #67) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:55 pm

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In post 997, oʍo wrote:
In post 984, Roden wrote:I feel like I've either mind melded with Math or I'm getting manipulated hard. I'm super uneasy that we're agreeing on a
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Or, we just naturally clicked after a rough start and he's just really strong as town. And I hate being paranoid of someone who seems to be on my side because then I feel bad. He seems more trustworthy than OMO too and I've been getting a strong feeling there's one scum between them due to their interactions.

This is real fucking rough but I'd rather put my trust in Math Day 1 regardless. I ultimately don't have a reason to want him gone over OMO especially when OMO does look scummier, especially with Manatee's case on them which I thought was pretty compelling. I understand this is just kind of a ramble, but I wanted to put it out here since I'm finding myself stuck between the two of them and trying to figure out who to trust. Especially with OMO voting Manatee and Math voting Marci, this could actually be between town and scum today with these wagons.
I dismantled your wagon. Why am i scum from your pov?
Dismantling a wagon doesn't mean much and assumes I couldn't do it myself. Scum can easily do it for town cred, or at the very least trust points. I don't want you gone today though, and I don't have a scum case that comes out differently than what Manatee offered.
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #68) » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:59 pm

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Oh shit wait, just thought of something.

@DGB:
There was a Miller claim this game. You were notably so against the idea of a Miller existing in the last game we played that it extended into you ranting about set up metas even into the post game. Why hasn't the Miller claim caught your attention this time? I'd think you would hone in on that. No this isn't a gotcha attempt but considering how differently you've been playing this game in general, it's notable here.
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #69) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:24 am

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In post 1003, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1000, Roden wrote:Oh shit wait, just thought of something.

@DGB:
There was a Miller claim this game. You were notably so against the idea of a Miller existing in the last game we played that it extended into you ranting about set up metas even into the post game. Why hasn't the Miller claim caught your attention this time? I'd think you would hone in on that. No this isn't a gotcha attempt but considering how differently you've been playing this game in general, it's notable here.
I thought it was BS like all the fake mason claims. And if you remember how my last casting doubt on millers went... you should understand why I won't bring it up again.

In a recent game, I had a cop guilty on a player who claimed miller on flucking day 2... and people were voting ME so I've had it with miller claims. If someone wants to take it up, it won't be me.

You remind me a lot of scum!MathBlade in that game. Welcome to my scum pile.
How does being in your scum pile effect me? And why only me when I'm not the only one voting you and didn't even get your wagon going? I was town reading you up until recently and you had no problem with my posts until that stopped.

Why do I keep getting compared to scum!Math...?
In post 1004, DrippingGoofball wrote:I am taking a 2-week intensive acappella arranging course with lots of homework, i am banging my head because I find it extremely difficult, so bear with me for another week before trying to rapture me for an activity differential.
It isn't just for activity. Look at the scum case that was made.
In post 1007, DrippingGoofball wrote:I hate post #1000 so much, I can feel a rise in my magma chamber.
Why?
In post 1010, Titus wrote:
In post 1000, Roden wrote:Oh shit wait, just thought of something.

@DGB:
There was a Miller claim this game. You were notably so against the idea of a Miller existing in the last game we played that it extended into you ranting about set up metas even into the post game. Why hasn't the Miller claim caught your attention this time? I'd think you would hone in on that. No this isn't a gotcha attempt but considering how differently you've been playing this game in general, it's notable here.
To be fair, it was an "informed miller".
That's fair. I mostly just wanted to see how DGB would respond.
In post 1012, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Roden
In post 1014, Dwlee99 wrote:He posts weird
You've never explained this. If you want to go back in my scum reads then be my guest, because you're starting to look like scum trying to set up a Day 2 mis-elim.
In post 1016, DrippingGoofball wrote:Aw come on people, I haven't been able to pay attention to this game, my course is way more involved than I anticipated, I was prioritizing other games since this one was just starting and unfortunately I can't even give it the attention it deserves for another week.

All I can ask for is a reprieve. I am even going to be gone all day today visiting friends that live two hours away , leaving in a minute, my husbandis alreadyoutside waitingfor me. Titus you of all people should understand that life can get in the way, I am disappointed.
Does DGB usually go full AtE like this as town?
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Post Post #1041 (isolation #70) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:33 am

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In post 1040, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1039, Roden wrote:You've never explained this. If you want to go back in my scum reads then be my guest, because you're starting to look like scum trying to set up a Day 2 mis-elim.
1.) Yes I did
2.) Okay?
No, you didn't. I've asked you to explain yourself and clarify multiple things and you've literally refused to every single time. Quote where you did or I'll consider it a scum claim.
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #71) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:59 am

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In post 1042, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 903, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 900, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:To be fair max probably deserves to be null on my list, I'm quite focused on manatee/marci and max sits down there still because she was there before

Pedit: oh okay well, hmm. I think Roden is town, I guess is all I can say. What do you mean he's "being weird" with you
Read our interactions. He misunderstands my posts in I almost all of them.
This isn't an explanation. This is actually just incredibly frustrating because I keep asking you to restate your posts since I supposedly keep misunderstanding them. I just asked you to do so again and instead you say it's weird that I don't understand your posts. This is just circular logic.
In post 599, Roden wrote:
In post 555, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 552, Roden wrote:
In post 549, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 544, Roden wrote:
In post 535, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.
I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?
Uh no and I don't think this is a good faith attempt at repeating back what I said at all.
I didn't repeat anything back. How else am I supposed to interpret your post if your only accusation against Kyouko is "she should know that I don't pay attention"?
You said I voted Kyo for pushing me. If that's your interpretation you're severely misreading what I'm writing or trying to misrep me to make me look scummy.
Restate your accusation then. I'm standing by what I said, and I'm not gonna let you gaslight me into thinking I misread what was a very blatantly lazy retaliation post from you against Kyouko.
Proof that I asked you to and that you refused to do so.
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Post Post #1045 (isolation #72) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:15 am

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In post 1030, oʍo wrote:
In post 999, Roden wrote:
In post 997, oʍo wrote:
In post 984, Roden wrote:I feel like I've either mind melded with Math or I'm getting manipulated hard. I'm super uneasy that we're agreeing on a
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Or, we just naturally clicked after a rough start and he's just really strong as town. And I hate being paranoid of someone who seems to be on my side because then I feel bad. He seems more trustworthy than OMO too and I've been getting a strong feeling there's one scum between them due to their interactions.

This is real fucking rough but I'd rather put my trust in Math Day 1 regardless. I ultimately don't have a reason to want him gone over OMO especially when OMO does look scummier, especially with Manatee's case on them which I thought was pretty compelling. I understand this is just kind of a ramble, but I wanted to put it out here since I'm finding myself stuck between the two of them and trying to figure out who to trust. Especially with OMO voting Manatee and Math voting Marci, this could actually be between town and scum today with these wagons.
I dismantled your wagon. Why am i scum from your pov?
Dismantling a wagon doesn't mean much and assumes I couldn't do it myself. Scum can easily do it for town cred, or at the very least trust points. I don't want you gone today though, and I don't have a scum case that comes out differently than what Manatee offered.
lmao horseshit reply, you're trying to really make excuses why im scum at this point.
Someone please get a votecount up
What excuses? I'm not even saying you're guaranteed scum. This is such a weirdly volatile response.
In post 1038, marcistar wrote:
In post 1037, geraintm wrote:Marcistar?
You don't like my vote?
I've pinged them three times for doing something I don't like....and then they self vote. How is me voting for them.notnconsistentnwith everything I have said this game?
+1 scum point to marcistar
wow u responded so fast.. must be scared to be sused!
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i feel like ur so focused on salsabil it feels a bit like ur doing whats easy, when theres alot of things on other people that ur avoiding giving opinions on.
I agree with this a lot. Geraintm hasn't been posting enough to get a solid read on him, but I haven't been a fan of his point system.
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Post Post #1046 (isolation #73) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:18 am

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In post 1044, Dwlee99 wrote:Please Roden, I want you to reread what I wrote and figure out why "you voted Kyo for pushing you" is a misrepresentation.
Why is it so impossible for you to just restate your accusation? I clearly am not going to read your posts any differently as they currently are. This is the easiest thing in the world for you to do and you're just refusing.
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #74) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:22 am

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I don't know why I have to beg supposed townies to act like actual townies but here we are I guess.
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #75) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:31 am

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In post 1048, Dwlee99 wrote:Because if you can't figure out how to read my posts this is going to be terrible as long as we are both alive.
Refusing to cooperate is a scum tell then. Enjoy your likely Babysitter visit.
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #76) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:44 am

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In post 1049, oʍo wrote:VOTE: Roden after some thought I think Roden TMId in their response to me regarding my assertion that it is unrealistic from their POV that I helped shut down a wagon on them that I initiated and am scum to them. The motivations for me as scum to do that are dubious at best considering the gamestate at the time.


I thought they were town but perhaps I am threatening their other 2 partners ergo that's dangerous to them - or they need to dismantle a townblock that's formed in a way. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this, as I've been rereading my own ISO and noticed some things I had forgotten about.


The fact this isn't the first time this day phase Roden has made very questionable play in terms of not bad play but like .. dunno how to explain it its just weird/not town motivated.

I'm hungover as shit so not in the mood to really ellaborate but I'll quote Kyouko's case in my next post.
OMO this looks really bad to do just as EoD approaches and we're trying to solidify a DGB elim. You're accusing me of trying to protect my scum buddies but it honestly looks like you're doing the same for DGB. Who exactly am I protecting? Because I literally only trust Kyouko.

I'm not even sure how saying I think you could be scum would somehow disrupt a town block or even threaten you. You're not today's elim and possibly not even tomorrow's depending on the Day and Night flips.
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Post Post #1057 (isolation #77) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:46 am

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In post 1054, oʍo wrote:Nevermind. Manatee doesn't fit..........

back to the drawing board, but Roden still scum. I dissipated their wagon in a way that made me the leading one - just some context - and their response to me saying from their POV i should be unlikely scum, they doubled down and said i *could* have done it as scum which is like ???
By your own logic against me, it's possible since I helped start and dismantle wagons on Manatee and Marci as well. If you think your actions make you unlikely scum, then why is it not the same for me when I've done the same?
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #78) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:50 am

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In post 1056, Dwlee99 wrote:Omo I'm already on Roden lol
State a town reason for refusing to clarify scum reads.
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #79) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:52 am

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OMO do you think DGB is town?
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Post Post #1061 (isolation #80) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:53 am

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In post 1059, Dwlee99 wrote:Roden I'm sorry but I think this is literally just you not able to understand what my point was there.
Then why the fuck won't you just dumb it down for me? Holy shit.
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #81) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:59 am

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I still think DGB is the correct choice here but I'll consider it a blessing if I get mis-elim'd instead at this point. Dwlee is actually driving me insane.
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Post Post #1067 (isolation #82) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:20 am

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In post 1066, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay, let's try this.

I say Kyo is pushing me for a bad and what feels made up reason.

You say "you think people are scummy for pushing you."

Do you see the incongruency?
Technically, yes. Practically speaking, not really. You still think the push itself is scummy, and your reasoning doesnt mean much because of how vague it is. If I said your push on me is bad and has what feels like a made up reason, I don't doubt I would be easily disregarded.

But you did finally clarify what you meant, and that's all I wanted. I think the misunderstanding here is that we both weren't necessarily wrong here but our miscommunication put us at odds. I'm sorry for blowing up at you, I genuinely got frustrated.
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Post Post #1069 (isolation #83) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:24 am

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@Dwlee:
If you still want to scum read me that's fine. If you think I'm scum though then I highly recommend making a push on me and getting the votes before today ends. A no-elim is 100% worse than a mis-elim.
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #84) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:26 am

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In post 1068, oʍo wrote:
In post 1055, Roden wrote:
In post 1049, oʍo wrote:VOTE: Roden after some thought I think Roden TMId in their response to me regarding my assertion that it is unrealistic from their POV that I helped shut down a wagon on them that I initiated and am scum to them. The motivations for me as scum to do that are dubious at best considering the gamestate at the time.


I thought they were town but perhaps I am threatening their other 2 partners ergo that's dangerous to them - or they need to dismantle a townblock that's formed in a way. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this, as I've been rereading my own ISO and noticed some things I had forgotten about.


The fact this isn't the first time this day phase Roden has made very questionable play in terms of not bad play but like .. dunno how to explain it its just weird/not town motivated.

I'm hungover as shit so not in the mood to really ellaborate but I'll quote Kyouko's case in my next post.
OMO this looks really bad to do just as EoD approaches and we're trying to solidify a DGB elim. You're accusing me of trying to protect my scum buddies but it honestly looks like you're doing the same for DGB. Who exactly am I protecting? Because I literally only trust Kyouko.

I'm not even sure how saying I think you could be scum would somehow disrupt a town block or even threaten you. You're not today's elim and possibly not even tomorrow's depending on the Day and Night flips.
For a good portion of the day I was very much looking like I could be a viable lim in the gamestate based on long I was a leading wagon.
While true, I didn't offer any suspicion towards you until after your wagon died off. If I wanted to mis-elim you I would've just pushed you while there was actual momentum to do so.
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Post Post #1094 (isolation #85) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:22 pm

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In post 1074, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1002, Dwlee99 wrote:I can vote DGB but fmpov it'd be more of a meta thing than a this game thing which makes me feel uncomfortable because I don't know if <thing that I want to know if DGB justifies its play with>
My thoughts remain this. Convince me homie.
What is the meta thing?
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Post Post #2422 (isolation #86) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:35 pm

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GG town!

Math played it really well but I think trying to scapegoat Kyouko at the end backfired due to me being the first NK. Kyo mostly got it right that I died because I scum read Math, but I also fake softed a PR.
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Post Post #2423 (isolation #87) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:39 pm

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In post 984, Roden wrote:I feel like I've either mind melded with Math or I'm getting manipulated hard. I'm super uneasy that we're agreeing on a
lot
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Or, we just naturally clicked after a rough start and he's just really strong as town. And I hate being paranoid of someone who seems to be on my side because then I feel bad. He seems more trustworthy than OMO too and I've been getting a strong feeling there's one scum between them due to their interactions.

This is real fucking rough but I'd rather put my trust in Math Day 1 regardless. I ultimately don't have a reason to want him gone over OMO especially when OMO does look scummier, especially with Manatee's case on them which I thought was pretty compelling. I understand this is just kind of a ramble, but I wanted to put it out here since I'm finding myself stuck between the two of them and trying to figure out who to trust. Especially with OMO voting Manatee and Math voting Marci, this could actually be between town and scum today with these wagons.
I was really hoping Kyouko would bring this post up when ISO diving me lol. My paranoia was spot on and I don't think Math thought it was worth the risk of trying to pocket me especially when I was getting town read and softing a PR.
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Post Post #2445 (isolation #88) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:57 pm

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In post 2425, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2422, Roden wrote:GG town!

Math played it really well but I think trying to scapegoat Kyouko at the end backfired due to me being the first NK. Kyo mostly got it right that I died because I scum read Math, but I also fake softed a PR.
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