Micro 1021: Elect the Puppet Master [Scum wins]

[Department of Culture]

I'm here to talk about mechanics.

Our goal is to elect ministers but it is worth it for us to be electing puppets as well, as it skips the night phase,which just removes the puppet and removes a scum-sided vote.

Ministers remain after being elected and become basically IC.

I'm not sure if Rvs is a good idea in this game.

[Department of Culture]

Slow game.

[Department of Culture]

Nobody here stands out as particularly towny to me right now. I'm getting the impression that people are afraid of giving away too much info, but it's hampering the game right now.

A valid strategy is to semi-randomly vote someone in as minister here, they then become immune to becoming a puppet and can speak freely and lead the town.
Of course, we have a 1/7 chance of losing, but it is what it is.

I was thinking we could delegate this decision to either environment or health, with the caveat that they can't pick themselves.

[Department of Culture]

VOTE: Department of Environment

[Department of Culture]

I believe that Environment has a pure heart.

[Department of Culture]

Nobody here stands out as particularly towny to me right now. I'm getting the impression that people are afraid of giving away too much info, but it's hampering the game right now.

A valid strategy is to semi-randomly vote someone in as minister here, they then become immune to becoming a puppet and can speak freely and lead the town.
Of course, we have a 1/7 chance of losing, but it is what it is.

I was thinking we could delegate this decision to either environment or health, with the caveat that they can't pick themselves.

Can you explain the mechanics because I’m a bit confused. As long as we don’t vote the PM today, we’re good and if we elect two more ministers, we win.

I agree, your post is probably the most helpful one so far, which unfortunately doesn’t tell us much.

You mean the game mechanics?

Voting puppet master is a loss, but voting out puppets is good because it removes that puppet from play and blocks the creation of new puppets for that night. Voting three Ministers is a town win, and I believe Ministers stay alive once elected.

I took the lack of action taken from you/environment to mean we weren't going with that plan in post 13, which is fine.

[Department of Culture]

Everyone has spoken, at least

[Department of Culture]

I don't think I'm recognizable. It's possible you're drawing upon incorrect conclusions. Regardless, I don't really want to keep poking into that.

[Department of Culture]

Is there anyone you do townread?

[Department of Culture]

You can trust me, Department of Tweets...

[Department of Culture]

Nobody here stands out as particularly towny to me right now. I'm getting the impression that people are afraid of giving away too much info, but it's hampering the game right now.

A valid strategy is to semi-randomly vote someone in as minister here, they then become immune to becoming a puppet and can speak freely and lead the town.
Of course, we have a 1/7 chance of losing, but it is what it is.

I was thinking we could delegate this decision to either environment or health, with the caveat that they can't pick themselves.

Can you explain the mechanics because I’m a bit confused. As long as we don’t vote the PM today, we’re good and if we elect two more ministers, we win.

I agree, your post is probably the most helpful one so far, which unfortunately doesn’t tell us much.

You mean the game mechanics?

Voting puppet master is a loss, but voting out puppets is good because it removes that puppet from play and blocks the creation of new puppets for that night. Voting three Ministers is a town win, and I believe Ministers stay alive once elected.

I took the lack of action taken from you/environment to mean we weren't going with that plan in post 13, which is fine.

I’m just trying to get a handle on the game. Can you please requote that post for me?

What do you mean by re-quote the post?

[Department of Culture]

The "soft vote against" doesn't have TOO much to do with you personally, just that 1) DoC suggested it, therefore I reacted opposingly

This doesn't make sense, why are you opposed to me suggesting other people should make decisions?

[Department of Culture]

To be clear, I didn't suggest that we vote for Department of Health, I suggested that they or Environment, both of who hadn't posted yet, would come in and solo elect somebody (not themselves) for the vote

[Department of Culture]

or link to make it easier for me to read post #13 obviously because I’m still not sure which post you’re referring to. When I try to locate posts without quotes or links, I sometimes don’t find the correct one.

A valid strategy is to semi-randomly vote someone in as minister here, they then become immune to becoming a puppet and can speak freely and lead the town.
Of course, we have a 1/7 chance of losing, but it is what it is.

I was thinking we could delegate this decision to either environment or health, with the caveat that they can't pick themselves.

This was what I was suggesting we do, but then it didn't happen, and then I decided to vote for Environment instead, because I liked their posts the most.

[Department of Culture]

I wasn't townreading anyone from most of the first page, when Environment posted I liked their posts the most.

Now that the game has progressed more, it does feel like they haven't engaged with it very closely.

[Department of Culture]

I would but it seems you're the only other person interested anyway

[Department of Culture]

VOTE COUNT 1.2

With 7 players alive it takes 4 to elect.

Department of Agriculture (2):Department of Justice, Department of Agriculture
Department of Environment (1): Department of Culture,
Department of Education (1): Department of Education,
Department of Health (0):
Department of Culture (1):Department of Tweets
Department of Justice (0),
Department of Tweets (0):

Not voting (2): Department of Health, Department of Environment,
Deadline: (expired on 2021-07-22 19:00:00)

Gut reads I'd like to vote for Environment/Health/Tweets (or myself)

[Department of Culture]

And are there any like-minded individuals for any of those?

[Department of Culture]

I vote next: Agriculture/Culture/me > Justice/Tweets/Education . Order doesn’t matter. Most suspicious of Education.

Why?

[Department of Culture]

You guys can't just vote for yourself and say nothing, that doesn't help anybody

[Department of Culture]

i was gonna say i wanted to wait until culture posted more to decide whether or not they've been puppetted, then i thought "well i guess it doesn't matter actually", then i had that previous thought.
tho i guess getting rid of a puppet sooner would be better than later?

Like I said earlier, it's to our benefit to vote out puppets because it denies an anti-town vote/voice and they can't make a new puppet the next night. I'm not a puppet, however. I wanted Health to elaborate on their reads because I'm trying to sus out the puppet. Incidentally, why'd you drop the tweet talk?

[Department of Culture]

I would not be comfortable with voting for Department of Justice

[Department of Culture]

ngl health is sounding kinda different
but that's a thought for d3

They sound the same to me

[Department of Culture]

Health Minister sounds good to me.

I'm going to try to see if I can find the puppet tonight

[Department of Culture]

And by tonight I mean: later

[Department of Culture]

OK

In my opinion Department of Justice has changed the way they postin between days 1 and 2, and everybody else feels like the same person. Did they ever explain why they went from voting agriculture to themself?

[Department of Culture]

The reason I'm against voting Justice is that I don't tr them and it's not impossible for pm to pretend to be a puppet.

[Department of Culture]

VOTE: Department of Health

Didn't realize we were struggling

[Department of Culture]

but I’m not thrilled that Culture waited until almost deadline to vote me.

...I think you're assuming that I had hesitation in voting you because my vote came late - I didn't really, I simply didn't want to rush the phase for any reason, especially since I would have been the person to hammer and stop the phase right away. I don't see how voting for you last second is a sign that I'm a puppet - I voted you so you'd go through despite the Minister wavering, and I was pushing you indirectly by pushing against others.

[Department of Culture]

To be clear, I am fine with voting for Tweets. I believe this was my original pool of three? I don't think they are the puppet master.

I'm still not a puppet and that should become evident as I post more.

[Department of Culture]

I'm obvtown because I am clearly not puppetting anyone.

How is that clear?

[Department of Culture]

People interact with me

Mostly the now Ministers, right?

and no one ever votes for me or is okay voting for me.

Again, this includes the Ministers and myself, so it's not very convincing to me. Most of the rest of the playerlist mostly just votes for themselves and avoids interacting that much, so this isn't something unique to you.

I think you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting the situation

[Department of Culture]

If you really think that, can you show interactions with non-ministers that point towards you not being the PM?

[Department of Culture]

The problem is I'm confirmed town to myself, and Environment is confirmed town, so from my point of view you haven't shown any interactions with people who can be puppet or puppet master

[Department of Culture]

Isn't it more likely that Disciple of Tweets was turned into a puppet on night 2 and not night 1?

[Department of Culture]

How many people have spoken today? Is it many? I do not think it was many.

Arguably everyone

[Department of Culture]

Why and since when have I been Puppet Master?

[Department of Culture]

and also I'm not on at the same time as tweets was.

Neither am I

[Department of Culture]

Health can you explain why Justice is either town or puppet but never PM?

[Department of Culture]

and also I'm not on at the same time as tweets was.

Neither am I

So Education, who would you say is on at the same time as Tweet?

[Department of Culture]

Uh. I'm also not a puppet.

[Department of Culture]

Isn't it more likely that Disciple of Tweets was turned into a puppet on night 2 and not night 1?

VOTE: Disciple of Agriculture

I don't know why Agriculture said Disciple.

[Department of Culture]

Also... I think it's pretty clear that I'm not the same person as Agriculture?

[Department of Culture]

puppet master has 2 votes today, be careful because there can be a ninjaing near EoD

did Justice just make a towny post?
legitimately, thanks for the reminder. I forgot about that

also yeah im down VOTE: Department of Health
if you somehow end up being puppetmaster gg

Tweets was N2 puppet, so who was N1?

Looking at game state where DOJ wasn't hammered but both were voting for them, I'd say it would have to be one of those two. Because puppet/PM wouldn't vote for town here

[Department of Culture]

Isn't it more likely that Disciple of Tweets was turned into a puppet on night 2 and not night 1?

VOTE: Disciple of Agriculture

I don't know why Agriculture said Disciple.

A puppet could very possibly be a disciple/puppet of PM/cult leader. However you’re not doing too much to push them as PM.

and even less to try to get yourself elected.

I didn't say I thought they were PM, I said I don't know why they said that.

The reason to elect me is that I have a time schedule that doesn't match with anybody else, including the puppet. I believe I've brought this up but it was summarily ignored.

[Department of Culture]

Isn't it more likely that Disciple of Tweets was turned into a puppet on night 2 and not night 1?

VOTE: Disciple of Agriculture

Could agriculture be PM and Culture be their puppet?

Culture has never tried to get themselves elected, not even once.

So maybe Agriculture wants everyone to think Culture is PM, so we never vote them?

Why can't I be town in this scenario where Agriculture doesn't want people to vote me?

[Department of Culture]

Those strings coming out of Department of Tweets look like they hurt.

VOTE: Department of Tweets

I told all of you on day 2 and Culture is probably the puppet master because Tweets was pushing for them to be voted.

Also I've been playing up a persona this game but I'm not a puppet or pm I'm still town.

So if we assume that Agriculture is PM and that Tweets was N2 puppet, then who makes the most sense as a hypothetical N1 Agriculture puppet?

Someone was puppeted N1 and I don’t believe it was Tweets.

It was probably culture

Care to put your money where your mouth is?

VOTE: Department of Culture

Personally I think it's clear that I wasn't puppeted due to timezones and me pushing the same things on days 1 and 2 (and voting for environment and health)

Also you're putting very minimal effort into analyzing things today when asked