Not Quite Normal Multiball (Game Over)

[Lukewarm]

What a wild ride

[Lukewarm]

I mostly just looked at the replace-in thought process, in Death Curse they replaced into a scum slot, and it immediately started with trying to look aloof and confused, which is a stark similarity to this game. I will crosscheck with a town game, but this looks pretty damning.

I followed that link, and just came back to type basically this same message

[Lukewarm]

I mostly just looked at the replace-in thought process, in Death Curse they replaced into a scum slot, and it immediately started with trying to look aloof and confused, which is a stark similarity to this game. I will crosscheck with a town game, but this looks pretty damning.

Found a town replacement game for DGB

Link

@DGB, if you have any replacement games you want to link that would be great. There is not an easy way (that I know of) to find those.

[Lukewarm]

You know what? I think your slot is actually malefactor.

masonry is confirmed to not have malefactor.
lmao nice try.

-Mister Ocean

I don't believe that, but I do believe that you are not malefactor by claiming this.

Both morph and manatee confirmed this day 1

[Lukewarm]

You know what? I think your slot is actually malefactor.

masonry is confirmed to not have malefactor.
lmao nice try.

-Mister Ocean

I don't believe that, but I do believe that you are not malefactor by claiming this.

Cabd claimed it couldn't have malefactor while he was still alive.

yes but the way its been worded does not imply that, it feels like a misinterpretation because masonries in multiball typically are explicitly only mafia-less, not excluding ANY other faction.

in a Masonry that is mod-explained to potentially include a Wolf, but none of us can be Mafia or Malefactor.

So you think that all of:
Cabd
Ffery
Zeus
Hades
Poseiden
and Manatee

All looked their role pms, and they all misunderstood it, but you have the right answer?

[Lukewarm]

Yes

lmao

But, I agree with Kakeguri, it does not matter, because the Olympians are pretty obviously town at this point

[Lukewarm]

I would like to hear what it's called and not just that it's a werewolf equivalent gunsmith.

+1

[Lukewarm]

A gunsmith can catch mafia and town vig.

A fang checker can catch wolves and town ???

Role blocker apparently

[Lukewarm]

I'm not outting what it is because it gives info to WW.

You have already claimed that it is a ww version of a gunsmith, and claimed that a roleblocker is a false positive

but the name of that role, thats where you draw the line? That one is just too much info?

[Lukewarm]

I guess Mastina is claiming malefactor? If true, murder Wheme

I really don't think that is what she is softing -- I have a different guess lol

[Lukewarm]

happy birthday massy!

wait is that a legitimate claim lmfao why does it sound so funky?
mom do we want night actions from anya?
im gonna go ahead and say we want it + summary of the role

-Mister Ocean

I read that as an Anya way of claiming to be a townie, although Anya can correct me if I am wrong.

[Lukewarm]

why are we making people beyond DGB claim randomly

I am also unsure why this is happening

[Lukewarm]

I would say that Ircher's strip quote wall is not all that dissimilar to a lot of his posts in Yggdrasil. -- I also agreed with him wrt to how you were spamming the thread yesterday (irl yesterday, not day 1)

That being said, I have not been town reading the resistance - if anything they are at null for me atm

[Lukewarm]

I would say that Ircher's strip quote wall is not all that dissimilar to a lot of his posts in Yggdrasil. -- I also agreed with him wrt to how you were spamming the thread yesterday (irl yesterday, not day 1)

That being said, I have not been town reading the resistance - if anything they are at null for me atm

I dont know why you included the latter statement about you agreeing, sounds useless. just state it separately.


What was their alignment in Yggdrasil?

You told me to look back at your conversation, I looked at it, and I saw something I agreed with. Also, you responded and disagreed with him. So commented.

He was town in Yggdrasil. Lots and lots of strip quote posts

[Lukewarm]

I would say that Ircher's strip quote wall is not all that dissimilar to a lot of his posts in Yggdrasil. -- I also agreed with him wrt to how you were spamming the thread yesterday (irl yesterday, not day 1)

That being said, I have not been town reading the resistance - if anything they are at null for me atm

I dont know why you included the latter statement about you agreeing, sounds useless. just state it separately.


What was their alignment in Yggdrasil?

You told me to look back at your conversation, I looked at it, and I saw something I agreed with. Also, you responded and disagreed with him. So commented.

He was town in Yggdrasil. Lots and lots of strip quote posts

Ok I don't think you/resistance would be exactly a scumteam so I will trust u on that one. But I'd like a link to at least see if the content type differs even if the style is the same

Link to his iso from that game

I was not in that game, so I did not read his posts very closely, so I cannot really speak to the content, but I definitely see the similarity in style. I also saw people attacking him for that style in that game

[Lukewarm]

like you're literally commenting on things where the conversation actually wrapped up where you're trying to comment on something that is way out of date. its like are u trying to pretend like you're adding something or pretend like u can reach into the past and add ur thoughts?

ur just trying to *seem* active with your posts it seems rather than making meaningful analysis.

Specifically, I feel like I read posts almost identical to this one, aimed at a town aligned ircher that game

[Lukewarm]

People who are voting me who are town are throwing

VOTE: Taco

[Lukewarm]

I see 2 possibilities:

Taco is the occultist, and has a guilty on Anya.

Taco is the malefactor, and is faking a guilty in order to buy 2 miselims (Anya - > Taco)

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So, I think killing taco first is the play.

If it is option 2, we don't walk into his trap, if it is option 1, then we literally just kill Anya tomorrow and win.

I am confused why Taco would present voting him out as "game throwing," especially since he supposedly has a guilty on the last werewolf, and we have a million miselims left

[Lukewarm]

Like imagine i was hammered without outing a result fucking clown behavior

I did not vote until I after I saw your result

[Lukewarm]

Save face?

I voted for you AFTER you said that lol

People who are voting me who are town are throwing

VOTE: Taco

[Lukewarm]

it probably is anya. that would also explain why wolves didn't get a kill that night. anya was blocked.

-Mister Ocean

I know for a fact that there is at least 1 other ability in the game that could have stopped the werewolf nightkill

(That is all the info you are getting from me)

Lets speed elim Taco now. If he flips town, then the game is already won, and we are wasting our time

[Lukewarm]

why not wait for a couple claims? its not like we dont have time

-Mister ocean

With Taco's results, we have an actionable game plan.

If we are in monks and masons+, then we have (most likely, based on the size of the masonry) 3 townies that can turn into IC's by claiming they are monks out there somewhere, and forcing claims will just narrow those down for the werewolves to kill.

What good are claims going to do us atm?

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Anya

If Taco were pulling a big-brain malefactor play, why would they fake a guilty on someone who was already on the chopping block? Doesn't seem likely.

We have a vigilante.

If we vote Taco out, and he flips town, the vigilante shoots Anya, and the game ends during the night anyways.

[Lukewarm]

It kinda does not actually matter which order we go in, but I feel like killing taco

[Lukewarm]

lol lukewarm is malefactor

You got me

[Lukewarm]

Then maybe the game will be interesting again

Win, win, win for killing taco

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm knows im town btw lol

I think that there is a chance that you are town.

But I also think that if you are town, then we are in auto win.

So, I think that we should instead focus on shoring up the damage possibility if you are not town

[Lukewarm]

why not wait for a couple claims? its not like we dont have time

-Mister ocean

do we need more claims than the 1v1 we have?

we need the 1v1ers claims?????????

-Mister Ocean

Taco full claimed his occultist role

Anya claimed VT

[Lukewarm]

hm sure okay. VOTE: anya

the cat hasn't been wrong all game.

-Mister Ocean

I'm assuming 4 per side if town is lots of PRs, 3 per side if town is power light.

Explictly Werewolf:

Manatee
Vecna

Explicitly Mafia:
SEKRIT ONE

Generic scum of either side:

VFP
Spiffeh

Tacos

Taco is on the list, anya is not. Just saying

[Lukewarm]

Alright Peta come out I know it's you

Pooky?

..Wheme?

.....Luke?!?

[Lukewarm]

Like i put attention on manatee early while anya pushed on neither flipped wolf. Yall just straight in denial

If you are town, then we are in auto win, so I don't need to do an iso check on you when I can just kill you to see if we have won already

[Lukewarm]

Its autowin either way its a 50 50 bc anya confirmed my report doesn't match their claim lol

Currently, 1 of you MUST be lying.

If anya is lying, she is scum, and we are in auto win.

If you are lying, then you are more likely to be malefactor then scum, and we are not in auto win if you are malefactor.

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If you are telling the truth, then it does not matter which order we kill you in.

[Lukewarm]

and if there's more than 3 groupscum in factions?

The the mod lied to us, and this is actually a bastard game, and I will be writing cephir a very strongly worded email

[Lukewarm]

Wait, are you saying "more then 3 werewolves" or "more groups" like the rat mafia in cats v dogs?

[Lukewarm]

What if there's more scum we have to kill?

goddamit ceph not the rat mafia

this is not something that can happen this game

The alignments that can exist in this game are

Town

,

Mafia

,

Werewolf

and

Malefactor

(only one; wins when the town loses).

The alignments that can exist in this game are

Town

,

Mafia

,

Werewolf

and

Malefactor

.

[Lukewarm]

it was a joke dude

Yeah, but I went and grabbed the quotes to respond to a post from Taco that I misread, and did not want to let that effort go to waste

[Lukewarm]

Cabd carried you by merit of being right on several scum past their death. You did no reading. I really hope its 4/4 just so i can watch and laugh from the gy post anya flip

It explicitly cannot be 4/4, the mod confirmed the mafia faction as being fully eliminated

Maybe

3/4

[Lukewarm]

@Celestial

Taco is at e-1, wanna be the hammer hero?

[Lukewarm]

scum regretting not speedlimming t3 d1 when they had the chance

u are a legend for posting your way out of it tbh

agreed

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Anya

Fine

That is E-1 I believe

[Lukewarm]

Taco did not even get to be on the Anya wagon lmao

[Lukewarm]

Taco had nothing to do with this glorious wagon of justice

Yeah, I am glad that we {Mastina, Peta, Resistance, Kazyan, Dann, Pooky, and Luke} all were able to catch Anya on our own like this

[Lukewarm]

Taco had nothing to do with this glorious wagon of justice

Yeah, I am glad that we {Mastina, Peta, Resistance, Kazyan, Dann, Pooky,

and

Luke,

and Unwnd

} all were able to catch Anya on our own like this

[Lukewarm]

If it's not over, then Vax just shoots Taco tonight and we do a victory dance in the morning. (I'm assuming it's Vax, anyway.)

I have a different guess

[Lukewarm]

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[Lukewarm]

If it's not over, then Vax just shoots Taco tonight and we do a victory dance in the morning. (I'm assuming it's Vax, anyway.)

I have a different guess

Spit it out

My guess for vigilante was celestial powerhouse. Thread locked, so I put the guess in the monastery pt before the flips

[Lukewarm]

I decided it was most likely them on day 2

[Lukewarm]

thanks for modding ceph :3

This!

It was a fun design to try and figure out!

+1

[Lukewarm]

My monk-mates made me SO paranoid night 1

They both were completely absent that night, to the point I was worried that they might both be mafia, and had decided to just kill me. So I lied and claimed bulletproof to try and live to Day 2 to out my suspicion (and hopefully talk to ffery about it)

Changed my mind on that pretty quick tho. Like as soon as Ydra flipped strongman, I knew that there was not chance the mafia was ever considering killing me, so that worry went away almost immediately start of Day 2

[Lukewarm]

Gg thanks for modding.

I was crying in a corner this game

You did such an amazing job getting town read day 1, but you did it as a role that does not really want/need to be town read lol

Like, before you added the addendum to your miller claim, you were the top of everyone's town reads lol

[Lukewarm]

nice i'm counting this as a win

Congrats

[Lukewarm]

nice i'm counting this as a win

btw, I thought you did pretty good overall. I had you as a town read day 1, and I enjoyed reading your posts

[Lukewarm]

this game is further proof for me that masonries are +ev or -ev purely based on rand lmao after seeing who was the monk team...

if you want to be a better mason/monk a big tip is that YOU ARE INFORMED. People WILL read you as informed. This will inevitably lead to people solving the game around you thinking you might be scum because you are acting weird around your partners. Like if your read gets called wrong... listen to people instead of acting entitled because you know you're a role who is self clearing with a group of others... put your ego away when you're mason/monk. You're an activated IC who is acting as a VT. That's it. You know people are town yes, but people that aren't informed of that don't KNOW that. thank u for reading this mason PSA(as mason is my fave role but also frustrating to play against when played wrong)

Koba, I wanted to kill you because you spent too much time yelling at us and calling us bad when we were actively killing scum.

Had nothing to do with your read on me <3

[Lukewarm]

For the record I don't exactly trust Taco but the mechanically correct play is to force Anya to claim first.

If Taco initiates a hard 1v1, we're guaranteed a scum.

If Taco backs down and fullclaims after Anya claims, then we can assess both individuals' claims and see if there's 0 or 1 wolves between them and if 1 which one it is.

But either way we don't force Taco to fullclaim first (claiming who the result is on is enough) and we don't eliminate Taco before Anya claims.

<3 thanks mastina for being a voice of reason this was the correct play.

I always agreed with this logic, and did not vote you until after Anya claimed

[Lukewarm]

I still think that voting you, then viging Anya at night if you flipped town was the safer play. I had you in a "probably not mafia and probably not werewolf, but

maybe

malefactor" at the start of the day, so I played accordingly

Like, if you were town, then we were in auto win and the order DID NOT MATTER, but if you were malefactor, voting you first was better.

Voting you first NEVER resulted in a loss, but voting you first had a small chance of avoiding a malefactor play.

There was no risk in voting you off first, but there was a benefit, so I voted for you

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Now that everyone's roles have been revealed, it turns out the vig was 2 shot so that was not quite how it would have played out, but even then it still would not have lowered our win chances because we could have just shot Anya the next day.

[Lukewarm]

Yes, I thought Anya was more likely to be scum then you were to be malefactor

Yes, I voted you.

Yes, I think that that was the +win rate play.

[Lukewarm]

Guys, my bet is mastina is claiming Seer. Not sure how any of us had missed it

I thought mastina was being pretty explicit in trying to tell you she was a monk lol

[Lukewarm]

I do declare that none of the townies in this game have earned a sentence in Bad Player Jail.

Thank goodness, I was getting worried someone was going to press charges against me

[Lukewarm]

[Lukewarm]

So, I decided to aggregate town's accuracy in town reading this game, specifically these are everyone's final

DAY ONE

reads

The "100 percent accuracy" squad

morph the cat - 12 town reads / leans --

all correct

unwnd ----------- 6 town reads / leans --

all correct

Kazyan ---------- 5 town reads / leans --

all correct

The "yeah, Anya did a good job day 1" squad

Dannflor ------- 9 town reads / leans -- 1 incorrect -- Anya
Celestials ------ 7 town reads / leans -- 1 incorrect -- Anya
Lukewarm ----- 7 town reads / leans -- 1 incorrect -- Anya

The "similar amount of mistakes, but did not fit in with the Anya squad" squad

mastina -------- 5 town reads/ leans -- 1 incorrect -- Vecna

The "allowed the most scum to slip thought, but by "the most" I literally mean 2, and also they had a lot more total reads then most of us, so this makes sense" squad

petapan ------- 16 town reads / leans -- 2 incorrect -- VFP and Manatee
The Resistance 11 town reads / leans -- 2 incorrect -- Anya and Vecna

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The "no day 1 tier list" crowd: Ythan, PookyTheMagicalBear, Taco Hemingway, Uncle, Shelby, Vaxkiller, Kakeguri

Fun things that I noticed:
~Anya was like

the scum

that was weaseling into the town reads of players -- so, just reaffirming my own 4159
~Kazyan's day 1 town reads went a little unnoticed this game, but he was actually 100%, so congrats there

Spoiler:

I mainly decided to do this because someone seems to believe that the town would have been lost without Morph's final read list. And while, yes Morph's reads were amazing, really the entire town was finding each other before Day 1 ended -- Most of those read lists were from before Morph even dropped their final read list.