Gypyx's Mini Normal Review, August 2021

[mastina]

Small question but important to confirm;
Finders find roles on a JOAT, right? Even if the JOAT has used that power?

[mastina]

I'm having a hard time locking down balance for this setup, honestly--it's self-evidently incredibly swingy. If the town power roles are used well they are incredibly strong, granting what amounts to a full extra town-controlled death (one doctor protect to get on evens, one vig to get back on odds) with three conftown on top of that extra town elimination.

But because of their limited number and the scum's relative freedom in killing them, as long as they don't kill the person the joat is protecting they have relative free reign to kill as they please.

[mastina]

My first thought was babysitter, but that actually only makes swing even more extreme in this setup. (And to be clear, I don't think extreme swinginess in a Normal is inherently bad, it's just that in this case the sheer vast amount of swinginess is making it hard for me to get a gauge on the balance of the setup. Would actually appreciate Ircher's help here to give me a better lockdown one way or another. If I had to guess I'd think that the swinginess is more likely to favor the town than to favor the scum so would call it townsided but I don't have an instant fix. Need to think about it more.)

[mastina]

Given the vigilante-finder that role might give the scum too much information in that they know if they find the vig they've found the JOAT.

I did have another idea though; it sounds counterintuitive, but I was actually considering if maybe the option to help decrease swing lies not in changing the JOAT's two powers, but rather adding more to it than just the two, maybe gating it with X-shot to compensate. (For instance, making it a 2-shot JOAT with Vigilante, Doctor, Neighbor, and maybe one other power such as Roleblocker.)

Keeping it limited to two nights but increasing the choices available makes it less obvious what the most optimal power usage is. By not knowing they need to use the vig to be conftown for instance, they could end up not being conftown. Or maybe they use the vig but then choose the wrong killstop.

[mastina]

so like, a 2-shot JOAT would be able to use 2 abilities out of his kit?

Correct.

how about like, (Vigilante, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Tracker)?

I actually like that combo.

[mastina]

Setup gets a /pass from me, just need the role PMs now.

[mastina]

Town Day 1 Innocent Child

Welcome ! You are a

Town Day 1 Innocent Child

On the start of Day 1, you will be publically confirmed as aligned with the Town
You win if the town survives to see all threats to them dead, the game thread is here

For the record, you don't need to specify D1 IC here as an IC is by default D1.

Town Day 3 Innocent Child Activated Innocent Child

Welcome ! You are a

Town Day 3 Innocent Child Activated Innocent Child

On the start of Day 3, you will be publically confirmed as aligned with the Town

At any point during daytime, you may PM me that you wish to reveal as an innocent child, this will cause you to be publically confirmed as aligned with the Town

You win if the town survives to see all threats to them dead, the game thread is here

Behind the scenes, we're working on getting more standardization to ICs but lacking it right now, I'd like to state that I'd prefer that "at any point during the daytime" instead be "at any point", allowing for the reveal to be during either day or night.

Also common to both ICs, you're spelling "publicly" wrong.

Town 2-shot Jack Of All Trades (Doctor, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Vigilante)

Welcome ! You are a

Town 2-shot Jack Of All Trades (Doctor, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Vigilante)

Twice during the game, at night, you may perform anything from this list of 1-shot Abilities

Doctor : Your target will be protected from 1 kill attempt
Jailkeeper : Your target will be protected from kills and prevented from performing any action
Tracker : You will learn who your target targeted this night
Vigilante : You will kill your target

You win if the town survives to see all threats to them dead, the game thread is here

I would also like you to specify "you can only perform one of these actions per night" for charity.

Mafia Innocent Child Finder Vigilante Finder

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Innocent Child Finder Vigilante Finder

You are a member of the Mafia, along with [PEOPLES], you may discuss at any time in your private topic here, you may also choose to be the one performing the factional kill each night

Each night, you may choose to check if someone is an Innocent Child

Each night, you may choose to check if someone is a Viglante

You win if the Mafia survives to see all threats to them, the game thread is here

I would also prefer if you included "you may only use one action per night (this includes the mafia nightkill)" or something similar, as this is not a Combined IC Finder Vigilante Finder and not a multitasking IC Finder Vigilante Finder, so it can do 1/3 of {find IC, find vig, perform factional nightkill} and not 2/3 or all three.

did the town blue because i heard about colorblind peoples having trouble differenciating Green / Red, i think it's fine right?

It is.

[mastina]

*for clarity

[mastina]

Almost.

Town Day 3 Innocent Child Activated Innocent Child

At any point during the game, you may PM me that you wish to reveal as an innocent child, this will cause you to be publically confirmed as aligned with the Town

You missed fixing the misspell of 'publicly' here.

Fix that, though, and this gets the /pass.

[mastina]

but i'm putting this one as a mistake that is more likely to happen during review, because normal games can be kinda wonky. but yeah.

(for the record, Datisi should know that with me as a reviewer, this particular mistake would not happen. )