Large Normal 235: Large Normal With No Multiball [Game Over]

[Nero Cain]

Does Cyrus scum hunt as town? :monocle:

Dude came out swinging in large normal. I think the most you can say is that he's different bc he was busy earlier but he's no longer babysitting so he's doing nothing bc ??? Also roden is saying they are playing like their scum game so...

[Nero Cain]

1 more vote till Cyrus self hammers

[Nero Cain]

Shouldn't mega claim first

[Nero Cain]

1 more vote till Cyrus self hammers

We already did the VT self hammer thing once this game. Isn't that enough?

No, also doubt he's vt

[Nero Cain]

No one wants a std

[Nero Cain]

I don't think he self destructed in 233 either though

[Nero Cain]

I mean Cyrus claims he read the game and then kinda did shit all till he got called on it and wagoned. Alot like gamma. If he was town doing slayers gambit then he needs to go back to r2r but he's prob just scum that got dunked on

[Nero Cain]

Dude came out swinging in that multi all game and here he wasn't hunting. He did claim he was busy earlier and maybe that's why but then when he got u busy he still did nothing

[Nero Cain]

This is a win win for me. If he flips scum then I get the cred for hard pushing him and if he flips town then I get to rag on a50 and gamma for pushing tess as scum

[Nero Cain]

????

[Nero Cain]

Might I suggest angel or kitty?

[Nero Cain]

I don't really think either are that scummy but they are both less active so...

[Nero Cain]

We should have just prob killed mega yesterday

[Nero Cain]

Cool VOTE: shrek

[Nero Cain]

I mean, you could have just been blocked too in Wich case if mega were a town watcher there's a gulity on someone else

[Nero Cain]

What if cheeky were blocked?

[Nero Cain]

still think its just shrek, mega, gamma and ????

[Nero Cain]

kinda mad at myself b/c rodon, shrek, and mega were my original 3 pushes. Just imagine if t3 and cyrus weren't here to distract me. Though I guess you could argue that its mostly my fault foe not pushing harder on shrek and not ignoring t3 and cyrus

[Nero Cain]

y gamma over a semi guilty on shrek?

[Nero Cain]

It's almost like someone thought mega should claim first.

[Nero Cain]

Also shrek just makes a ton of sense to me as scum since he argued that we should be using our days to eliminate lurkers and that's just a bad and scummy stance + I prob caught him d1

[Nero Cain]

Tbh I want Shrek to be town, but I still think both MegA/Shrek are scum.

I don't. DGB has been Scummy since they brought up their claim. Now they are SURE that Shrek is Scum? Given all the other talk about Rolestopper and RB? It does not sound like DGB is interested in actually sorting Shrek but just wants to Elim them.

LQ, town!DGB is just really accusatory in general and pegs people as scum even without hard guilties. I'd say at best it's NAI but I haven't seen their scum play so maybe I'm wrong

lol guy. DGB like exclusively defended scum and pushed town at least in the early game.

[Nero Cain]

oh i get it. When you said "pegs" you just meant calls. It doesn't have anything to do with accuracy.

but yeah, DGB isn't really calling and tunneling players as scum like in 233. I thought it could mean that DGB is scum but maybe DGB is actually trying to play like town as a semi-important pr.

[Nero Cain]

"your action failed" means?

[Nero Cain]

In Normal games, a common example of approved wording for a "no result" PM is "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result."

[Nero Cain]

cheeky was just roleblocked and much like Jon Snow, knows nothing

[Nero Cain]

its mega prob

[Nero Cain]

cheeky got blocked, mega lied about it and there's a guilty on shrek

[Nero Cain]

isnt this like mega first game on this site? i think she just slipped up is all. If we wanted to do mega first that's fine.

[Nero Cain]

I swear to Mith LQ....

[Nero Cain]

I just feel like cheeky was blocked. DGB targeted shrek and then mega just lied. Someone tell me why this didn't happen?

[Nero Cain]

dude cheeky was blocked

[Nero Cain]

well one of you are though I feel most like yu and shrek claimed to visit DGB and then decided to claim that.

[Nero Cain]

like no one believed the mason claim and cheekys reaction to no one believing it is hilarious.

[Nero Cain]

WTF is a tracker?!?

[Nero Cain]

i do think DBG is an alien. Canadians are very strange.

[Nero Cain]

I think OR just says that Shrek is just gultied scum. I'm also sorta willing to believe that cheeks was infact blocked.

I think LQ writing off mega admitting that std wasn't the intended kill as wifom is pretty wrong. It makes a ton of sense for std to sit on an outted pr. Also I think the force replace was kinda ass. I don't think he was using it maliciously.

[Nero Cain]

The alien thing seems like a dumb thing. Like unless cheeky is scum that is an alien/knows her team has one then I don't understand the reason one is being talked out when there's no evidence of one. Very similar to ln 233 when they were all paranoid about a traitor. Roleblock is simpliar and what I'd assume to exist B4 an alien/role stopper though role stopper B4 alien.

[Nero Cain]

If I had bullets cheeky would be dead. Scum could shoot her tonight and try to frame me but sadly she's to important to their cause.

[Nero Cain]

Town reading gamma and scumreading me to start with

[Nero Cain]

How does a Shrek town flip confirm you as town?

[Nero Cain]

We're scum flip

[Nero Cain]

But like there's like a 0% chance we went you over Shrek and distancing from you isn't the world's worst play

[Nero Cain]

Gamma am I conf town?

[Nero Cain]

I mean my reads haven't been fire but I don't think they've been half bad. But yeah cheeks is being a hypocrite

[Nero Cain]

My assumption is that dgb was the intended kill and the bg saved dbg. Would dgbs neighboizor still happen if dgb was killed last night?

[Nero Cain]

So could scum have blocked dbg and cheeky is lying about being blocked?

[Nero Cain]

Though tbh Shrek just makes a ton of sense as scum to me

[Nero Cain]

Would be absolutely hilarious if scum both tired to kill and block dgb and it backfires and 2 of thier team gets outted

[Nero Cain]

Until cheeky hard claims or does I don't care about their "result" I think gamma's play is scummy and if I need to re ivaluate latter I can but until then my pitchfork is aimed at gamma

[Nero Cain]

My assumption is that dgb was the intended kill and the bg saved dbg. Would dgbs neighboizor still happen if dgb was killed last night?

oh my god dude get with the fucking program

Y is suggesting that scum tried to kill dbg the other night such an offense?

[Nero Cain]

I don't feel like he's hunting. Like yea he's pushing for Shrek but outside of that he's doing what? Maybe lining up for dw. 3507 gave me a kinda busy vibe. Kinda felt like the quick hammer yesterday was scum that wanted to stop the day phase.

I'm also assuming that you don't have an inno

[Nero Cain]

I could somewhat buy cheeky thinking she's too important to cc but ima look to see if she ever unvotes mega

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We can barely get any traction on gamma. I don't really feel like he's ez. And I feel like I'm really the only one pushing for him.

[Nero Cain]

But cheeks reasoning for "watching" gamma is pretty poor I think

[Nero Cain]

I mean gamma was a claimed vt. If he's not scum then scum know he's town and likely telling the truth. Why do u think scum would try to shot a claimed vt?

Is gamma still ur 2nd biggest town read?

[Nero Cain]

Good point

[Nero Cain]

What if you are just scum with gamma and u are now distancing yourself away from him?

[Nero Cain]

I think my posting was more helpful with putting mega than yours and dgb/lick are the ones that got Shrek. If u are town you've accomplished like a whole ton of nothing

[Nero Cain]

If cheeky is a scum watcher then gamma is prob town yea?

[Nero Cain]

Could it be like Shrek, cheeky, Rodan?

[Nero Cain]

And I'll just remind you noobs that Shrek almost got away with BS today.

What happened to being a big girl and accepting responsibility for your actions? Like sure you could be town but you made a pretty boneheaded play n1 and it makes u look iffy. I think gambits are low tier plays and something that's ez to fake as scum but if you are going to do it then you can't get mad if it backfires.

Also why haven't you made an updated reads list if you are no longer "gambiting"?

[Nero Cain]

I mean you did gambit. Like I'm pretty sure that you said you were faking an inno on gamma or something like that

[Nero Cain]

I dunno why you thought targeting gamma 1 was a good idea

[Nero Cain]

I'm not too sure that scum would shoot std unless he was rolecopped or something.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not too sure that scum would shoot std unless he was rolecopped or something.

Scum watched Cheeky N1 most likely
Whether Cheeky is scum or town I’m not sure but either way her mason claim made her a likely target for protectives

Cheeky/most low lvls

Like I could see cheeks fake claim mason as either alignment. And the fake claiming mason is just kinda a fad right now


The mason claim was unforced. Who claims mason unless run up to E-2?

[Nero Cain]

Cheeky getting mad and throwing a fit is priceless

[Nero Cain]

No it's not? Like I could see an invest target gamma but I think a protective never does. But then if you were a town watcher why would you want to catch a protect or invest? That's actually csfs and rodent point that it makes more sense as a scum watcher to target gamma than a town one

[Nero Cain]

Only if cheeks is scum and I guess it's not impossible that scum targets her buddy that she thinks will be investigated

[Nero Cain]

You could interpret it that way I guess

[Nero Cain]

Cheeks idk y u r getting mad when it's your play that's gotten u suspected. Like I just don't really feel like targeting a vanilla that got ran up d1 was the best use of your action. What am I not understanding here? Also you miseliminated me as a town invest so it's poetic justice although I think I'm a little more thoughtful.

[Nero Cain]

Sure I'm being bitter. Get over yourself

[Nero Cain]

What do ppl think about lining roden?

[Nero Cain]

Ok

VOTE: roden

[Nero Cain]

You're both saying my target was dumb but not dumb enough for a protective or cop to target which is contridictory.

This post is still ridiculously stupid.

[Nero Cain]

You believe MegA? Isn't it too convenient that MegA claims well into the day after all the crowing and comes with the only result that could clear both Shrek and themself?

I think there was cohesion it just wasn't executed well.

I had also sorta felt like this post was trying to defend her scum play.

I hope dgbs guilty is on her.

[Nero Cain]

Or you were the one that did the killing last night and you can't claim a gulity on yourself

[Nero Cain]

Or u are just lying about your action to begin with

[Nero Cain]

How does a traitor explain a no kill? What are your thoughts on the roden wagon?

[Nero Cain]

Sorta feel like the Poe is roden cheeky dotw

[Nero Cain]

Am I on town?

[Nero Cain]

Ech


Am I obviously town?

[Nero Cain]

But I want to be lock town

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I'm still alive bc cheeky felt like she could still get me

[Nero Cain]

Hey Shrek what's roden saying in y'all's scum pt?

Best post?

[Nero Cain]

Who do u want dead, roden?

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It is true that I haven't liked gamma much this game but right now I'm not so sure if he's the last scum or not. Like we should be piling cheeky and I could see dotw being scum if she isn't

[Nero Cain]

Thoughts on massclaim?

[Nero Cain]

Even if he's awake I doubt he figures this out

[Nero Cain]

He's been mostly useless and hasn't had great reads.

Angels not even playing and still sitting on her rvs vote. Its annoying and she's being unhelpful

Considering you were there in that game I am a bit surprised this is your stance here, but -to be fair to you- I am starting to get annoyed about it myself.

This post is real dumb though

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I could be wrong on the not roden scum but I think we have to kill u at this point cheeks. Obviously, there will be players that will say that rodent vote on means he's voting town instead of trying to make his buddy look better but eh...

[Nero Cain]

Don't really feel like we need to spend 10 days, if we want to spend a few days talking sure but game is nearly over and we just need flips

[Nero Cain]

I think your back and forth with Shrek was s/s

[Nero Cain]

Also your reaction to getting wagoned today was pretty aweful

[Nero Cain]

Our next two eliminations are always going to be roden and cheeky so if the game isn't over by then I can reevaluate.

Like maybe scum goes "hey angel, ppl are going to suspect you for not posting much so maybe you should push one of us." But I'm assigning Cher some town cred here

[Nero Cain]

All of dw, kitty, a50 and gamma have been voted by scum at some point so it makes me think that maybe they are less likely to be scum

[Nero Cain]

And dgb is very very likely town bc scum had a ta. Although I actually wouldn't think it's absolutely impossible that scum are given both a ta and neighbor but still unlikely I guess

[Nero Cain]

So roden dotw cheeky poe

[Nero Cain]

But it's prob just roden/cheeky

[Nero Cain]

If scum don't have a roleblocker the setup is extremely unbalanced with a loyal neighborizer and a backup neighborizer.

I agree but I hope they do bc I feel like town has played pretty ok and I'ma hate it when cheeky uses "this setup was imbalanced!" To downplay our win

[Nero Cain]

What makes u think I'm open wolfing?

[Nero Cain]

It's a pretty simple question

[Nero Cain]

Y not vote me if you think I'm openly arrrwwwwooooo?

[Nero Cain]

Your one vote isn't a flash wagon. Lol vote me u wuss

[Nero Cain]

In Russia

[Nero Cain]

I mean, Russia has like 11 timezones and depend on where he's from it could be really early morning. Is there something he's suspicious for besides just posting once a blue Mon?

[Nero Cain]

I don't that's entirely accurate. D1 was going to be t3 or gamma. I did push Cyrus over mega on d2 but the guy was playing to a not town wincon. D3 I was actually pushing Shrek over mega.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not going to convince scum that they are scum

[Nero Cain]

I'm not trying to get town points. Also u r my scum read

[Nero Cain]

Like u get 3 votes on u in rapid succession and you barely side eye us. That's bc u know it's all town voting u

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Dgb, cheeky is just scum that doesn't want to admit to killing csf or tell us that roden did

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Like roden is actually trying to claim that I'm voting him but not scumreading him. Lol

[Nero Cain]

I don't know what cheeks real role is or maybe she just is a scum watcher but roden is scum so....

[Nero Cain]

I am not sure that I ever town read you roden. Gamma/t3 and Cyrus distracted me but since 2/3 are dead and mega and Shrek are dead I get to focus on finding the last 2. Looking back I think my interactions with u were gross.

[Nero Cain]

Roden is just scum whining that he's been caught. I am like 99% sure it's just roden and cheeky but I was trying to make sure

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Also roden is doing practically nothing but complaining about me scum reading them. He plopped down a vote on cheeky but there's 2 scum left and he's not hunting for the other bc he can't hunt himself

[Nero Cain]

I'm fairly certain that you were on at least one of the town wagons and this bullshit that I "went silent" when we got mega and Shrek is exactly that. Bullshit. Nice to see you go from town reading me to scumreading me in a matter of seconds

[Nero Cain]

Shrek was one of my original scum reads. I thought his early game was content less and fluffy. I also really hated his argument that we should eliminate the inactives. There was also a post d1 where he sorta ignores what's going on and wants to go elsewhere. I've gotten scum killed for a similar post. His hard town reading me could just be placating. At any rate I think he's a bit down my totem pole but if he were to even flip scum I'm claiming the cred.

The case is that he was sent a red pm

[Nero Cain]

Just vote roden or me. He'll flip scum though.

[Nero Cain]

I mean I've already solved

[Nero Cain]

I need to see the case against roden in one post. Can someone help with it on why he is scum?

There is no case, Nero's just mad that I'm not the passive LHF he thought I was.

Seems like odd wording. If you think I'm scum that's trying to miselim you you'd think you'd try to convey that to angel but nope. She even roden knows I'm town.

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I've said multiple times that it's you and cheeky

[Nero Cain]

I don't think u know what flailing means. I've explained why I'm scum reading and like I saidd I'm not going to convince scum they are scum

[Nero Cain]

Since it's kinda fun dunking on known scum why do I go after you and not someone ez like you or kitty or a50?

[Nero Cain]

2 more votes for a scum flip

[Nero Cain]

That's really not what that says but ok...

[Nero Cain]

Poe happened. Not impossible but I'm doubting that he busses his last buddy.

[Nero Cain]

Are there actually 3 scum in this game or something?

[Nero Cain]

I am a strongman finder. N1 I got no result on a50, n2 was gamma he wasn't a strongman Wich means a50 might be lying about targeting me. N3 was Shrek and n4 was roden who is a strongman. I'm assuming that roden does the kill so either cheeky is lying or they switched it up and had her do it. Thus I am assuming that scum is roden/cheeky but now the new Poe might be roden cheeky a50 dotw

[Nero Cain]

I think we always do roden/cheeky first

[Nero Cain]

Don't know why you don't CDO cheeky tomorrow. She's either lying about being a watcher or lying about not seeing roden do the kill

[Nero Cain]

maybe A50 mixed up his NAs
I'd rather get the one that is super-duper certain

I mean town is so far ahead so killing in cheeky and a50 should end the game. I just think cheeks is the last 1

[Nero Cain]

I feel like doc + bg makes a ton of sense with a strongman. Could maybe see a jk thrown in here to mess with mine and dgbs actions

[Nero Cain]

Roden is gulity arc, I have a n2 result so a50 is either lying, fudged his results or was interfered with himself

[Nero Cain]

And doc,bg, neighbor,backup,jk,strongman finder is only 6 prs so like a 7/6 split is pretty normal.

[Nero Cain]

That's only like 1.5 invest roles. I can only get 1 gulity and dgb is the main one

Lol town doc and town bg make perfect sense to me

[Nero Cain]

Scum have a strongman, it negates the doc

[Nero Cain]

I wonder if it's ever been this hard to kill a gulity result

[Nero Cain]

I feel like doc + bg makes a ton of sense with a strongman. Could maybe see a jk thrown in here to mess with mine and dgbs actions

I think this feels balanced assuming no other pr claims. It just seems unbalanced bc scum have gotten mostly steamrolled.

[Nero Cain]

Omfg!!!

[Nero Cain]

U do know that a strongman negates doc protection right?

[Nero Cain]

Ok w/e man roden is a strongman and I think cheeky is most likely the last scum. If you or her were like a traitor or something then this game ends on a cheeky flip

[Nero Cain]

I mean, not really

[Nero Cain]

The only gulity is on roden. If u wanna say that a50 is scum bc he might be lying about his actions or that arc is scum bc she refuses to vote a guilty then fine

[Nero Cain]

What a50 said

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Counterpoint: cheeky, knowing her team had a ninja, has her team fake claim watcher(s) and n4 was planned so it makes it look like cheeks role is real. But I mean, killing a50 B4 cheeks doesn't hurt I guess but I still think cheeks is the last scum.

She's been defending roden all game and she was real deflated and not hunting yesterday. It was like she matter of factly claimed it wasa ninja and then did ???

[Nero Cain]

It's also only 1 shot and cheeky is a full watcher and I sorta feel like doc bg jk neighbor and my role seems a lil more balanced than watcher neighbor strongman finder doc and bg but you could be right I suppose.

[Nero Cain]

I'm also assuming that I was blocked n1 and I'm not totally sure why a scum a50 claims to have not targeted me.

[Nero Cain]

-Scum do not have inherent multitasking.

I don't think this means that scum CANNOT have a multitasking modifier.

[Nero Cain]

he claimed to jailkeep arc so either scum is multitasking and have a blocker that both blocked and killed or he's just a liar and killed poor little arc

[Nero Cain]

so a50/cheeky is the poe i think. still think it's cheeky nut eh.

[Nero Cain]

if anything it's 1 mafia and a traitor.

i would like dw, dotw to hard claim their role though.

[Nero Cain]

and kitty

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almost50 is almost dead

VOTE: a50

[Nero Cain]

look I helped!

[Nero Cain]

Nice early reads Nero, stick with your first impressions xx

thanks cheeks

[Nero Cain]

consider it payback

[Nero Cain]

I mean I got sidetracked but I had scumreads on Roden, mega, and shrek early...

[Nero Cain]

guys stop feeding the troll

[Nero Cain]

Slots that shitpush Nero are scum tell works again.

^

[Nero Cain]

i don't really understand why a50 lied about targeting me n1

[Nero Cain]

What was the deal with the Gamma scum read btw? I know I'm the informed minority but I only "scum read" him because it was trendy.

me? I just thought he was scum that was joining a growing bandwagon. IDK why T3 or STD though he was scum.

[Nero Cain]

haven't we only had 1 game where we were both town? and d1 you had the entire scumteam in your town reads and then continued to town read roden

[Nero Cain]

cheeks

[Nero Cain]

When scum pT

3 hours

[Nero Cain]

Subject: Large Normal 235 - Mafia PT

How the hell is Nero scum reading nearly the entire scum team, we haven't even done anything lol

I mean he's not being taken seriously at least, but I'm not really sure how we're getting picked out so easily.

I'm actually just really good. You were buddying T3 and Shrek was fluff posting in lieu of content. Shreks later argument that we should be using are day elim to off lurkers was a super ant-town argument and Arc picked up on it too. Meg was being hesitant to vote me and saying that he'd vote me while saying that I haven't done anything scummy is talking out of both sides of his mouth. And blaming me for not being able to play was scummy (cheeky also picked up on this)

Was also pushing Titus/nom and I had sent in osuka as one of my final reads in 233. And even in 234 I had Titus and Hem. So I've had like 7 correct scumreads in my last 3 games...ofc I'm not always right but at the end of the day I'm still pretty solid/reliable

[Nero Cain]

I don't remember this game having any funny quotes to put in my sig unfortunately.

I made a funny but only dotw got it

[Nero Cain]

So everyone is ignoring my doc protection and counterclaim which literally changed the game at the end!
GG town!

I'll join the Nero fan club the day he townreads me LOK

I mean, I don't think I was scumreading you in 233 until you started pushing me and defending half the scum team. I think it's a fair take to question whether you could just be scum with them. I suspect that you were playing different bc u were a invest pr so that's on me but I think you were also defending scum here. Maybe I'll town read you when u stop defending scum

[Nero Cain]

Nero - you always scum read me. You never told me why! (this game has been a total exception though)

I don't really remember that? What I remember is that you got ran up a lot and then I defended you. I did scumread you in large normal bc A.) I was scum and pushing you helped me and B.) You were like doing nothing