mini normal 2226; who won

[Aristeia]

I just skimmed some of T3's iso.

I don't see where he suspects me?

[Aristeia]

If I was scum Titus would be dead simple as that.

you could be traitor scum begging your partner to shoot titus

she would only be dead if you were mainscum

[Aristeia]

Like the trio of Titus/Gamma/Datisi is very very OP if all town. There’s no way I don’t shoot Titus last night. None

you don't have a gun you're the traitor duh

[Aristeia]

it sounds like you lost communications with your main scum friends when umlaut flipped and now you are kind of screwed?

[Aristeia]

dont care ur dayplay is scummy

My day play is never scummy when I am scum though.

I think you are incentivized to be scummy to draw an elim because traitors can't endgame - they need main scum to survive.

[Aristeia]

are we going to get one of your famous read triangles this game?

[Aristeia]

oh hell no my reads have been utter shite this game

(also they don't exactly work late game where Associates and Mechanics are needed to sort, as opposed to early game where i can just glance at a player, see how my gut is feeling, and just throw them anywhere on there)

I just want to see where you would put me.

pretty please?

[Aristeia]

i think im just gonnna go back to no efforting - easier that way.

No efforting sounds fun. Teach me your ways.

well first you pick a cute anime guy

like for example:




and then you post only one liners with a different gif every time.

[Aristeia]

I think if there is a scum neighborizer it would make more sense for the traitor to be looking for its scum team rather than the scum team to be looking for its traitor.

For example;

Bulletproof Neighborizer Traitor + 2 Mafia Neighbors.

[Aristeia]

tbh I still like the NM forgot to submit a kill theory better

[Aristeia]

Datisi every time you tinfoil me as scum I die a little inside

[Aristeia]

What do you take me for?

the most likely person to forget to nightkill

[Aristeia]

Aristeia (2): Titus 3544, Gamma Emerald 3545

this is kind of depressing.

[Aristeia]

We know there's three people who had access to a PT at the beginning of the game.

It would make sense that these three people know who each other are.

It could be 2 PTs of 2 each - that would be the most likely way to balance for a TA.

You're saying that instead it's 2 people in a PT together (double mafia neighbors?) and the traitor is in its own PT? How does that even work?

[Aristeia]

If it's scum neighbor + scum neighborizer in a PT together and the Traitor outside and unknown to scum, how can there be 3 people with access to a PT at game start?

[Aristeia]

Mafia in a PT
Traitor plus mafia as neighbors.

Mafia Neighbor dies.

Mafia Neighborizer neighborizes the traitor.

ok but why would the mafia neighborizer give up a nightkill to neighborize the traitor and make themselves detectable to TAs? It seems very anti-win con to do this.

[Aristeia]

he already said he was two shot

[Aristeia]

(I wish I looked this good)

in our dreams we are all free.

[Aristeia]

That's just not how the game works?

PR claims get disbelieved all the time,
scum can fake PR claims.
PRs can get shot without giving results.

I just feel you are making some very strange assumptions about how the game plays out?

[Aristeia]

if Chaos is town then Gamma is confirmed Town

[Aristeia]

Titus is town because she's the only claimed anti-killing role and we had 2 nights of no deaths.

[Aristeia]

The only way Titus can be scum is if she nokilled twice and knew there was no town protective but it makes no sense because a claimed protective pretty much can't endgame?

[Aristeia]

if Chaos is town then Gamma is confirmed Town

If Chaos is town Gamma is confirmed to have a gun which is NAI

Chaos said there is only 1 mafia with a gun.

Umlaut is dead and had a gun.

Therefore Gamma can't be scum because Gamma has a gun.

[Aristeia]

Titus is town because she's the only claimed anti-killing role and we had 2 nights of no deaths.

Or she’s scum gambiting

The only two claimed players with guns are Titus and Gamma and Chaos said scum have a gun so I would look there

I refuse to believe Titus would gambit and throw away 2 nightkills just to lock herself into a slot that pretty much never endgames because it's nonsensical.

If she's alive at Elo maybe I'll rethink this but I highly doubt she survives much longer.

[Aristeia]

The only way Titus can be scum is if she nokilled twice and knew there was no town protective but it makes no sense because a claimed protective pretty much can't endgame?

Then by your argument
Mafia doctor can’t endgame either
So mafia doc,neighbor, traitor doesn’t work

??

a

claimed

protective almost never endgames because people stop and go "wait why is this claimed protective still alive?" and then they kill that protective.

Mafia doctor can endgame because it doesn't have to claim that it's a mafia doctor, it can just like, not claim?

[Aristeia]

i am wondering if we should go back to the yeet n_m, if red math, if green yeet omega, if that red yeet koba plan

no matter how i look at this game, whoever is scum, something doesn't make sense

I think if NM flips red the game is probably just over because I don't think it makes sense for MB to come up with this many illogical things unless he was trying very hard to keep NM from flipping as main scum?

I think normal traitors don't endgame.

[Aristeia]

Doesn’t matter

Assume gunsmith checks Gamma N1 forces Gamma claim D2
Gamma gets guilty or inno on someone
Assume Gamma gets miselimmed
It’s like never miselimming at all because 2 conf alignments

There is no way to not end the D1 with two conf alignments minimum

d1 we yeet datisi
n1 gamma checks ____
n1 titus blocks gamma
n1 chaos checks ____
n1 scum shoot chaos

d2 wake up 0 clears.

[Aristeia]

Titus is conf town there and because gamma was blocked and says so he’s clear
Two confs try again

Gamma saying he is blocked doesn't Confirm Titus as innocent, she could simply be scum roleblocker in that scenario.

[Aristeia]

Titus is conf town there and because gamma was blocked and says so he’s clear
Two confs try again

Gamma saying he is blocked doesn't Confirm Titus as innocent, she could simply be scum roleblocker in that scenario.

i think titus' tone has been well out of her scumrange here

I think Titus is very town. I am mostly rebutting Mathblade's theoretic mechspec that claims the game is unwinnable for scum as claimed so our PRs must be scum or whatever?

[Aristeia]

then I'm conftown from being roleblocked by scum?

She’s saying Titus isn’t confirmed town
But she’s confirmed town on account of 1 scum from Chaos

In the hypothetical scenario that you outlined we don't know if Chaos will flip with the informed info.

And also there isn't a scum flip already so even if we did have the info Titus could still be a scum roleblocker.

[Aristeia]

You have given one scenario where there is only one conf in a list a mile wide

That’s no where near probable

I am giving a counter example because you are saying the game is unwinnable and the town is guranteed multiple conf town by D2 which is simply not true.

[Aristeia]

It’s a normal
If Chaos is town and informed
He must flip Informed gunsmith

ok but if he doesnt claim his information before the scum shoot him how would we know what he is informed of?

[Aristeia]

I am willing to vote Chaos if NM somehow flips town because of the investigative PRs:


Datisi is town to me because he's adorbs and Titus protected him.
Gamma is town because Chaos said so.
I do think 4 investigative PRs is a bit much so it's either Chaos or NM and NM is just way shadier than Chaos on play?

[Aristeia]

You forgot “this game is broken” but that’s pretty much it

Ari doesn’t think so so since she’s the only one listening I am trying to convince her so this setup doesn’t happen if she becomes/is a mod/reviewer

?

I do think mini normals tend to be broken. You don't have to convince me of that.

[Aristeia]

Then why are you arguing this one isn’t? When it clearly is based on the proposed data?

because you are using logical fallacies to argue that this game is broken beyond repair and we should kill chaos?

[Aristeia]

good night sweet prince

[Aristeia]

I will protect you always.

I know you're not talking about me but this made me feel warm and fuzzy inside anyway.




I shall miss you Mathblade.

[Aristeia]

he is on the way to heaven to argue mech with Mastina

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Datisi

I think the way Mathblade defended NM yesterday points to NM being the last scum.


VOTE: Not Mafia

[Aristeia]

I think it's basically between Chaos/NM for the last Mafia. Mech wise I don't think the town can have 4 investigatives + a protective.

Gamma is clear from Chaos, Datisi is clear from Titus, so it's just between NM/Chaos for me.

[Aristeia]

scum can't have a roleblocker because Chaos claims there is only 1 gun in the game

[Aristeia]

if you and chaos both claimed to be blocked, then one of you has to be lying and scum and we just elim both of you and we are guaranteed to win.

[Aristeia]

aristeia, what were your thoughts on d2? how did you go from voting chaos and being paranoid about me to voting umlaut?

Titus convinced me to vote for Umlaut she is an angel !

[Aristeia]

It was very unfortunate you had to rep out Prism, and probably the biggest stroke of luck for this town.


Mathblade you are adoooorbs <3


Sorry for those terrible reads @Alch/Meg


Thanks for Modding Tris/Ythan! This game had some very fun moments! I shall cherish them

Spoiler: For Datisi

It was such a joy to dance with you again Datisi

Thank you for being so kind and dashing.

[Aristeia]

It was very unfortunate you had to rep out Prism, and probably the biggest stroke of luck for this town.

I think the game was great to watch, but I would have been very excited to play Day 2 on. The T3 kill+double guilty on Umlaut meant I probably would have lost, but I think I would have had a blast in the process and I am sad it didn't happen.

I think if you didn't replace out there is a good chance the n1 kill lands on Datisi instead of T3 and the entire shape of the game would be different, even if Ums goes down on D2 you are very well set up to endgame and you can probably mis-eliminate me/lukewarm for the win.

[Aristeia]

Titus you played really well and I think we were very lucky to have you be our protective!

[Aristeia]

Thanks for the feedback Prism.

You are brilliant and I regret the misfortune that we could not have played together for longer.

[Aristeia]

well for feedback, honestly when you joined the game I was kind of happy to see you and then from your posting I immediately felt a sense of dread and fear. It was like a violent reaction in my soul - it felt like something bad was coming. I can't really explain that feeling?

Usually when I read your posting I can feel the goodness and the light, here I just felt a weird sense of fear in my gut.

There were many times I wanted to vote you because I felt more sure you were bad then Meg was but I'm not sure why I didn't. Possibly laziness? Likely a fear in my conviction that I was just hopelessly off base. I just had a feeling that you were making the moves you needed to in order to control the game rather than joining as an uniformed fellow voyager on the quest with us.

You've said many times before that you don't enjoy being a town dictator and it was almost jarring in a way how you entered the game - it didn't feel uninformed to me, and it could be true you're just a much better town player than I am so when you emulate your town game it looks informed to me when really it is just how you play?

I felt badly about your "rage" towards me but I didn't think it made sense? I wasn't sure what I had done to earn such a reaction and it felt performative to me but I did feel badly about making the game unenjoyable for you and everyone else - sometimes my paranoid fits do make games feel unplayably toxic.

When you replaced out I did feel badly about it because I had some doubts about my behavior leading to you deciding such a game was unplayable and unenjoyable but I have a fairly bad memory and I really just joined the game to post gifs so I kind of just pressed "erase" on d1 and decided to pretend it didn't even happen.

Hopefully the next time we play it will be more fun and you will have the time to stick around

[Aristeia]

You played fantastically Koba