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Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:14 am

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/in
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Post Post #30 (isolation #1) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:03 pm

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/confirm
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Post Post #31 (isolation #2) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:05 pm

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Are we waiting before I talk about theory, or should I just bore all of you now?
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Post Post #34 (isolation #3) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:06 pm

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In post 32, Nero Cain wrote:I like jingle much better
Don't lie, no one likes Jingle. That guy's an asshole.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #4) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:13 pm

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Jester is functionally a second vengeful and so can safely claim. If they promise to townside we can help them out.

Vengeful therefore shouldn't be limmed as long as there is a Jester claim, and is thus the best fakeclaim for scum. So we should have venge claim then jester claim. If multiple vengeclaims we lim one they shoot the other. If one vengeclaim and a Jester, we lim the Jester, they shoot not Venge.

Obv changes based on what gets discarded faceup, but that gives town best odds and group scum decent odds, while maximizing Jester wanting to work with town odds.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:14 pm

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Let's imagine I had my PM before posting that so that I can ride the towncred.
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Post Post #49 (isolation #6) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:16 pm

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I mean, theoretically, but working with the jester makes it likely the jester will work with us.
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Post Post #52 (isolation #7) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:18 pm

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And if they don't they're an asshole who is picking a player to lose the game and so they'll probably go with the faction that helped them win, or shoot me because they think I ruined the setup.
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Post Post #53 (isolation #8) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:19 pm

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In post 51, Psyche wrote:and by working with the jester you mean...limming them? on the hope that they care?
Yes.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #9) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:20 pm

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So you can shoot me? ;)
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Post Post #60 (isolation #10) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:22 pm

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Psyche wouldn't shoot me, I deliberately didn't point out the revision to Getaway still had XLO day 1. :shifty:
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Post Post #64 (isolation #11) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:22 pm

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Everyone has guns, jesters just happen to have bullets.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #12) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:23 pm

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/confirm VT
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Post Post #71 (isolation #13) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:23 pm

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In post 66, Cook wrote:
Greetings, friends. I am the Survivor of this game and I'm here to assist with your bowel retention.


VOTE: No-flip
10/10, would vote again.
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Post Post #76 (isolation #14) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:24 pm

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In post 72, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Oh, right!

Vanilla Townie and Mafia have been thrown away
wait, which cards were discarded face up?
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Post Post #82 (isolation #15) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:25 pm

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but like, which ones? There's 5 VTs and 2 Mafias.

I NEED MORE SPECIFICITY
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Post Post #90 (isolation #16) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:26 pm

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I think I want to wait for Vengeful and Jester claims.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #17) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:27 pm

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Nah, Jingle always MODS Jesters.
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Post Post #96 (isolation #18) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:28 pm

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also, how many different types of holes do bass have? Asking for a friend.
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Post Post #98 (isolation #19) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:28 pm

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In post 94, Save The Dragons wrote:i am vengeful!
CC?
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Post Post #104 (isolation #20) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:29 pm

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In post 100, Psyche wrote:
In post 96, Bingle wrote:also, how many different types of holes do bass have? Asking for a friend.
are you talking about the fish or the instrument
Why Not Both?
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Post Post #113 (isolation #21) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:31 pm

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In post 107, Psyche wrote:wait is this the monty hall problem all over again
Monty is a wonderful person and not a problem at all, you monster. Go take your mod drama elsewhere.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #22) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:32 pm

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I'mma guess no one wants to cc, anyone want to claim Jester and take the free W?
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Post Post #129 (isolation #23) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:35 pm

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In post 124, Marashu wrote:Nonrandom. Want to know why cook wants to go for the claimed vengeful, unless it's a CC.
Because you always lim the claimed venge? It's value added. You win if venge is lying and you win if your actual pick is scum.
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Post Post #136 (isolation #24) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:36 pm

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In post 131, Psyche wrote:oh so it is kinda like monty hall
Kinda, yeah, but you get to pick both your choice and another door.
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Post Post #145 (isolation #25) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:38 pm

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So I was lying about the jester claim winning the game for the Jester, btw. We still eliminate the venge, the venge just gets to shoot the Jester for the confirmed win if the Jester claims.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #26) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:40 pm

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In post 149, Psyche wrote:but for a little under 50% of the people in this game, a mislim is part of the plan
Not necessarily. There was at least one scum discard. This could be a 6v1 scenario still.
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Post Post #152 (isolation #27) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:40 pm

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Psyche town, btw.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #28) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:41 pm

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haven't noticed anyone. Do you have any townreads Psyche and STD?
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Post Post #166 (isolation #29) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:43 pm

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In post 159, Marashu wrote:and how is it potentially 6v1 unless you're counting jester as town?
Good call, 5v1v1. we have at least a 1/3 chance of winning then, that's good.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #30) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:45 pm

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In post 163, Psyche wrote:sorry, guy? so presumptuous. you are a person to me from now on
Eh, I don't give a shit what pronouns/forms of address people use for me, but male is the most common one due to my beard.
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Post Post #174 (isolation #31) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:46 pm

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In post 167, Psyche wrote:honestly it's a theoretically sound idea but in practice i'd rather we just lim scum? if we make the day about limming std, std paradoxically gets little to base a decision on
I mean... ideally we pick as a group and then lim std and have him shoot the group's choice with a veto that he can use if he wants.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #32) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:47 pm

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In post 173, Psyche wrote:i have a suspicion bingle is jester it's the only reason i'm afraid of committing
If I were the jester, limming STD and having him shoot me wins the game for town. I would rather not get shot as a VT though, so...
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Post Post #181 (isolation #33) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:48 pm

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In post 177, Bingle wrote:
In post 173, Psyche wrote:i have a suspicion bingle is jester it's the only reason i'm afraid of committing
If I were the jester, limming STD and having him shoot me wins the game for town.
I would rather not get shot as a VT though, so...
We lim STD because both he could be faking and Venge was discarded (V unlikely) and because Town doesn't lose if Jester is shot.
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Post Post #188 (isolation #34) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:50 pm

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In post 184, Psyche wrote:silly bingle, what incentive do you have to make this post trying to convince me you're not jester if you aren't?
What incentive do I have to make it impossible for jester to win by pointing out the Venge strat if I am?
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Post Post #190 (isolation #35) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:51 pm

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In post 183, Nero Cain wrote:is this a 4 town/2 scum/1 jester setup?
There are between 0 and 4 nontown of various persuasions.
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Post Post #196 (isolation #36) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:54 pm

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In post 192, Psyche wrote:well that assumes you think your argument is sound/convincing
i guess your posts do read as someone who thinks they're making a good point that will move minds
My posts that are objectively correct?
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Post Post #200 (isolation #37) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:55 pm

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VOTE: STD
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Post Post #205 (isolation #38) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:56 pm

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My best guess for scum is cook, btw.

Cheeky not thinking I'm being serious is a little weird, but I don't think scummy.
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Post Post #208 (isolation #39) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:57 pm

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In post 202, Psyche wrote:cook is playing a lot like i'd imagine either a jester or someone faking jester might
it seems deliberately erratic either way
I'm fine with venge shooting Jester or someone faking Jester, ftr, so cool.
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Post Post #213 (isolation #40) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:59 pm

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Are we can post while STD chooses?
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Post Post #218 (isolation #41) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:01 pm

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VOTE: STD
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Post Post #221 (isolation #42) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:02 pm

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In post 216, Save The Dragons wrote:oh lol i forgot about this part i thought it was the vengekill
Same, tbh.
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Post Post #223 (isolation #43) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:02 pm

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In post 220, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: Cook
Wat?
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Post Post #228 (isolation #44) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:03 pm

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Yeah, the second thoughts thing has an inbuilt gladiate. We need to revote STD to get the vengekill to go off.
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Post Post #234 (isolation #45) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:04 pm

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In post 222, Psyche wrote:ok this is just silly
Marathons be marathoning
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Post Post #251 (isolation #46) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:08 pm

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Don't shoot Bingle, Bingle has too much to live for.
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Post Post #255 (isolation #47) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:09 pm

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But was Psyche also scum?
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Post Post #269 (isolation #48) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:14 pm

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GG. I've got a prior engagement, but have fun with the next one.

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