Micro 1026: 09:12 | Game Over

Dwlee99 · Post Post #419 (isolation #0) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:41 am

ego

t3 didn't even send me a link to the thread smh

Dwlee99 · Post Post #420 (isolation #1) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:43 am

In post 12, Datisi wrote:
In post 8, T3 wrote:
In post 6, Datisi wrote:also
@mod
, could you change your mod colour please, this is unreadable on mafblack

Is this good?
yes thank you, that is readable

Locktown btw

Dwlee99 · Post Post #430 (isolation #2) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:36 am

VOTE: iv
I believe in datisi

Dwlee99 · Post Post #445 (isolation #3) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:03 am

In post 431, MathBlade wrote:
In post 430, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: iv
I believe in datisi
Why? You skimmed over me asking questions for a naked “I believe Datisi” Why?

Homie I just repped in too. I read part of the first page and the stuff posted since I've been in here as well as a few posts in IV's ISO. I don't like the jokey "haha I'm scum derp" routine he did at the beginning.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #446 (isolation #4) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:04 am

In post 444, Datisi wrote:
In post 430, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: iv
I believe in datisi
?

Thought you were voting IV. Sad

Dwlee99 · Post Post #452 (isolation #5) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:08 am

... math?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #454 (isolation #6) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:08 am

In post 430, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: iv

what is this

Dwlee99 · Post Post #458 (isolation #7) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:14 am

In post 455, MathBlade wrote:
In post 454, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 430, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: iv
what is this
Why are you asking yourself what you’re doing?

You asked why I didn't vote IV. I did

Dwlee99 · Post Post #459 (isolation #8) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:14 am

I'm asking you "what is this?" because I'm asking you what it is. Because it's an IV vote. After you asked why I didn't vote IV.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #462 (isolation #9) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:17 am

In post 461, Datisi wrote:
In post 451, MathBlade wrote:Then why not vote IV because of that? Why the “I believe in Datisi” instead?
@dwlee, math was asking "why didn't you vote iv because of this reasoning", not "why didn't you vote iv"

in a somewhat related note, why the "i trust in datisi" comment? rather is it a shitpost or something ai

o. I just didn't.

Trust in datisi cause I think you're town + you were supposedly 1v1'd with IV.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #464 (isolation #10) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:19 am

You asked the mod to change his horrid dark blue color. I felt awkward asking him when he modded a mini so I just zoomed in to read everything on my phone

Dwlee99 · Post Post #466 (isolation #11) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:19 am

Scum doesn't want the vote counts to be readable, clear protown agenda imo

Dwlee99 · Post Post #469 (isolation #12) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:22 am

Read what? The game? No.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #471 (isolation #13) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:23 am

In post 468, Datisi wrote:
In post 464, Dwlee99 wrote:You asked the mod to change his horrid dark blue color. I felt awkward asking him when he modded a mini so I just zoomed in to read everything on my phone

In post 466, Dwlee99 wrote:Scum doesn't want the vote counts to be readable, clear protown agenda imo
wait, that was not a shitpost

Do you want it to be?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #474 (isolation #14) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:23 am

How serious do you THINK I'm being Dats?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #475 (isolation #15) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:24 am

In post 473, MathBlade wrote:
In post 469, Dwlee99 wrote:Read what? The game? No.
How did you trust Datisi on a vote that happened before you replaced in if you haven’t read?

I already answered this.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #479 (isolation #16) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:32 am

In post 478, marcistar wrote:dwlee can u read and then give reads so i can sheep

Wow I really made a good first impression...

Dwlee99 · Post Post #481 (isolation #17) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:32 am

In post 476, Datisi wrote: i mean, if you're townreading me i'd expect an actual reason for that read? you're free to continue to townread me for that obviously, but like

this still feels like a joke idk

I am manifesting you as town right now

Dwlee99 · Post Post #482 (isolation #18) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:33 am

In post 477, MathBlade wrote:
In post 475, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 473, MathBlade wrote:
In post 469, Dwlee99 wrote:Read what? The game? No.
How did you trust Datisi on a vote that happened before you replaced in if you haven’t read?
I already answered this.
Explain it like I am 5 please.

I individually thought IV bad and Datisi good

Dwlee99 · Post Post #484 (isolation #19) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:35 am

Oh, I meant to my effectiveness from last game. But even there my day one reads were crap.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #489 (isolation #20) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:43 am

In post 488, MathBlade wrote:
In post 482, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 477, MathBlade wrote:
In post 475, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 473, MathBlade wrote:
In post 469, Dwlee99 wrote:Read what? The game? No.
How did you trust Datisi on a vote that happened before you replaced in if you haven’t read?
I already answered this.
Explain it like I am 5 please.
I individually thought IV bad and Datisi good
How did you think IV bad and Datisi hood without reading?

I answered this too

Dwlee99 · Post Post #499 (isolation #21) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:57 am

Ok I read a bit THEN I thought "hey I'll ISO marci!" and then I skimmed it because I can't read but what I noticed is that Marci hasn't placed a vote the entire game. So I crossreferenced this with the mini that t3 just hosted where she vote parked on scum. And I think here she comes across like she is afraid to place a vote so therefore
VOTE: Marci

Dwlee99 · Post Post #500 (isolation #22) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:58 am

In post 496, MathBlade wrote:It kinda is though. If you’ve skimmed enough to have an opinion then you’ve skimmed enough to be held to it.

VOTE: Dwlee

I don’t like their ISO.

And if Dwlee flips scum I have a gut read M&Ms is.

Like I kinda wanna vote M&Ms based on gut but Dwlee is more likely.

What I've said I've explained. How am I not being held to it? What is this post?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #502 (isolation #23) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:00 pm

In post 499, Dwlee99 wrote:Ok I read a bit THEN I thought "hey I'll ISO marci!" and then I skimmed it because I can't read but what I noticed is that Marci hasn't placed a vote the entire game. So I crossreferenced this with the mini that t3 just hosted where she vote parked on scum. And I think here she comes across like she is afraid to place a vote so therefore
VOTE: Marci

Also feels like she might be buddying me because who sheeps me in the year 2021? Maybe if it's like day 3 or something I'll have figured stuff out. Day one? Last game I was with marci I had all three scum north of null on day 1

Dwlee99 · Post Post #503 (isolation #24) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:01 pm

In post 501, Datisi wrote:
In post 496, MathBlade wrote:It kinda is though. If you’ve skimmed enough to have an opinion then you’ve skimmed enough to be held to it.
mmm

i feel like i strongly dislike this. like i don't think "i didn't read the whole game but i read parts of it and have some opinions based on what i saw" isn't like, a controversial/scummy thing to say, and it feels like you're forcing it into being one

Agreed but unwnd seemed moderately townie so lower priority.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #505 (isolation #25) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:02 pm

Also, I'm so bad at getting good reads early that the only times I've been night killed since I came back was once where I was scum in multiball, once replacing in as scum during a night phase and getting vig shot, and once as town in multiball because the person thought I was scum.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #507 (isolation #26) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:03 pm

Datisi you made me click the ISO button and unwnd didn't place a single vote either this game is done.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #514 (isolation #27) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:10 pm

Dwlee99 · Post Post #516 (isolation #28) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:11 pm

In post 512, MathBlade wrote:
In post 501, Datisi wrote:
In post 496, MathBlade wrote:It kinda is though. If you’ve skimmed enough to have an opinion then you’ve skimmed enough to be held to it.
mmm

i feel like i strongly dislike this. like i don't think "i didn't read the whole game but i read parts of it and have some opinions based on what i saw" isn't like, a controversial/scummy thing to say, and it feels like you're forcing it into being one

Awww I am sad. You’re making me wonder if you have stock in Home Depot or something

It isn’t a controversial thing to say but not wanting the accountability is.

The honest answer to have they read would be they skimmed, not a no.

I said I had read page 1 and some of IV's ISO before the post where I said I hadn't read the game. Cause I hadn't read the game. Night kill me smh

Dwlee99 · Post Post #521 (isolation #29) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:21 pm

Imagine thinking Dats and I can be S/S here smh

Dwlee99 · Post Post #523 (isolation #30) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:26 pm

It reminds you of the time you were scum and pushing someone? :monocle:

Dwlee99 · Post Post #527 (isolation #31) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:32 pm

I knew that because you said "game that ended" and I clicked your view topics and found it

Dwlee99 · Post Post #529 (isolation #32) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:35 pm

Yes. Your alternative theory is that I asked in the scum PT and got an answer and posted there faster than that?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #531 (isolation #33) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:37 pm

I didn't spectate that game but I had previously looked at the post-game mech discussion. Didn't know datisi/chaos/math roles or alignments until I just checked though.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #536 (isolation #34) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:52 pm

In post 533, MathBlade wrote:
In post 529, Dwlee99 wrote:Yes. Your alternative theory is that I asked in the scum PT and got an answer and posted there faster than that?
My alternative theory is someone told you I was scum recently and it’s a slip.

Why would that have come up? How does this make more sense than me being able to click a few links and scroll quickly on my phone?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #537 (isolation #35) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:53 pm

Reading the game =/= reading a page or a few posts of an ISO. I still haven't read the game cause I stopped on page 10ish.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #573 (isolation #36) » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:08 pm

In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12971706#p12971706]post 566[/url], The M&Ms wrote:Dwlee I wouldn't worry about the pressure from math too much.
It's either irrelevant or its scum.
In one case you want to just let it do its own thing (talking sometimes doesn't rly help), the other you want to kill it.

I think we can kill it but like tbh idrc. Math gets easier to read overtime anyways.

Why when given the opportunity to produce content would I want to choose not to?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #602 (isolation #37) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:18 am

In post 593, GeorgeBailey wrote:I only really have time to look at mathblade rn. My initial impression was "scum who doesn't get jokes" cause that's a read that can be strangely accurate.

But it seems like he's very serious most of them time. like:

In post 470, MathBlade wrote:
In post 466, Dwlee99 wrote:Scum doesn't want the vote counts to be readable, clear protown agenda imo
This is NAI.

I have done the same as both alignments.
I struggle reading neon and mods use it anyway so I give up asking.
seems genuine.

I also love this interaction though.

In post 496, MathBlade wrote:It kinda is though. If you’ve skimmed enough to have an opinion then you’ve skimmed enough to be held to it.

VOTE: Dwlee

I don’t like their ISO.

And if Dwlee flips scum I have a gut read M&Ms is.

Like I kinda wanna vote M&Ms based on gut but Dwlee is more likely.

In post 499, Dwlee99 wrote:Ok I read a bit THEN I thought "hey I'll ISO marci!" and then I skimmed it because I can't read but what I noticed is that Marci hasn't placed a vote the entire game. So I crossreferenced this with the mini that t3 just hosted where she vote parked on scum. And I think here she comes across like she is afraid to place a vote so therefore
VOTE: Marci
It feels like DWlee was pressured by Mathblade to make a vote and then dropped one on Marci haphazardly. If Dwlee is scum then I don't see Mathblade as being scum here.

No opinion on Unwnd. It seemed like that whole Krazy-alt fiasco muddied things up for me.

I'll get to you later but uh i gotta leave now sorry

Look at time stamps. That post had nothing to do with Mathblade.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #640 (isolation #38) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 4:37 am

Marci doesn't vote anyone because she is having trouble entering the game and finding a townie to fake a reason to vote

Dwlee99 · Post Post #646 (isolation #39) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:31 am

I have it on good authority that struggling to place your vote is +scum. If you're town probably M&M

Dwlee99 · Post Post #656 (isolation #40) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:59 am

In post 648, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 646, Dwlee99 wrote:I have it on good authority that struggling to place your vote is +scum. If you're town probably M&M
good authority as in marci’s own self evaluation of her play?

Sure that but also just as a general thing

Dwlee99 · Post Post #657 (isolation #41) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:01 am

In post 647, marcistar wrote:
In post 646, Dwlee99 wrote:I have it on good authority that struggling to place your vote is +scum. If you're town probably M&M
is my lack of vote and my want to buddy u the only reasons u have to sus me or?

There's some other stuff I no longer remember that I thought of at the time but those are the main ones.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #666 (isolation #42) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:41 am

Scum never x except when they do. Idk IV could be scum but I don't have a great reason to think it besides the early joke posts ping me. What do you have STD?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #774 (isolation #43) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:05 pm

Marci's norwee vote bad the end

Dwlee99 · Post Post #777 (isolation #44) » Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:32 pm

In post 775, marcistar wrote:
In post 774, Dwlee99 wrote:Marci's norwee vote bad the end
y?
where else should i vote then?

Well why Norwee

Dwlee99 · Post Post #803 (isolation #45) » Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:59 am

In post 780, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 774, Dwlee99 wrote:Marci's norwee vote bad the end
dwlee have you read the game

do you have reads

I am still on page 10 or 11 but I have read every post since I've replaced in. And yes I do

Dwlee99 · Post Post #831 (isolation #46) » Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:22 am

VOTE: George

Dwlee99 · Post Post #888 (isolation #47) » Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:33 am

Rn I'm going all in on "dats has scum read on person he seems sure about" because of the time he nailed Ico day one in Garfield minus Garfield mini normal.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #890 (isolation #48) » Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:37 am

Not town = scums

Dwlee99 · Post Post #891 (isolation #49) » Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:38 am

Sounds like meta but we will ignore that for now

Dwlee99 · Post Post #894 (isolation #50) » Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:41 am

Okay look meta bad but that game he did scummy thing and it just so happened that he had done said scummy thing a different time as well so it made it extra bad. Meta still bad though, he was just caught on doing scummy thing.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #901 (isolation #51) » Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:55 am

Does your analysis say George is evil

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:43 am

Goodnight friends

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:47 am

I think he would have been more concerned about his life if he was a quasi-confirmed townie so you're probably fine

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:55 am

Bruh moment

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:56 am

I blame dats if this flips town for convincing me with his good looks

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:58 am

If this flips scum I'm conftown BTW

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:03 pm

In post 1054, MathBlade wrote:What are you George?

This slot die

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1061 (isolation #58) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:25 am

VOTE: Norwee
VOTE: Marci

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1071 (isolation #59) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:43 am

We could ask that jailkeeper claim target if they targeted aiming for scum vs for the night kill.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1205 (isolation #60) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:46 am

VOTE: STD
Just jailkeep math tonight if you're pressed about it

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1206 (isolation #61) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:47 am

Either we are in a world where scum killed STD (I don't believe in this world), scum is STD, or a babysitter blocked the kill (I also don't believe in this world)

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1209 (isolation #62) » Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:53 am

In post 1207, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1206, Dwlee99 wrote:Either we are in a world where scum killed STD (I don't believe in this world), scum is STD, or a babysitter blocked the kill (I also don't believe in this world)
Good point. I know this is accurate but technically because I admitted I didn’t accept fast night there is a world where I could have not submitted a kill. I am a VT and as scum I always submit actions but you’d have to believe I didn’t for me to be scum. I am having a hard time both Norway and Marci believe this. I think it’s just paranoia on their part and STD is just scum.

Night ending early was mod error

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1284 (isolation #63) » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:20 am

We can jailkeep IV tonight if this flips green

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1292 (isolation #64) » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:25 am

Game will hopefully end on STD lim but Marci just needs to pick IV or math to jailkeep tonight

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1294 (isolation #65) » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:32 am

If no kill on IV jail we kill IV

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1299 (isolation #66) » Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:42 am

Math are you not paying attention that I think STD needs death today?

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:29 am

Why are only math and I voting StD

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:32 am

Idk but unless we are in babysitter world (probably not) either STD was shot or blocked

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:46 am

Is raybells the legendary RC?

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:52 am

I think I've read that. Good stuff. I have some games with him back in the day.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1434 (isolation #71) » Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:25 am

We could yeet someone else but that would risk outing follower.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1437 (isolation #72) » Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:11 am

Either way Marci needs to confirm target before end of the night.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1442 (isolation #73) » Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:17 am

Why is tomorrow mass claim?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1452 (isolation #74) » Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:36 am

Audacity refuged

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:51 pm

Maybe we could lim in the VT claims and jailkeep STD again?

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:52 pm

VOTE: IV
STD has good reads let's keep him alive

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1481 (isolation #77) » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:14 pm

What if it isn't weary

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1487 (isolation #78) » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:31 pm

In post 1482, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1476, Dwlee99 wrote:Maybe we could lim in the VT claims and jailkeep STD again?
No.
Scum don’t know if it’s a babysitter or follower.

Lock confs only works if jailkeeper is on someone new.
Jailkeeper on StD again is a bad idea then scum no kill and day is repeated.

We should elim StD then if follower exists we just win.
Scum are scared a follower exists so they don’t wanna elim StD.

It’s not about being right. It’s about ensuring we no matter what eliminate scum.

I'm okay with scum no killing and being forced to lim STD tomorrow tbh.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1492 (isolation #79) » Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:11 pm

STD said it's you

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1500 (isolation #80) » Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:34 pm

In post 1494, innocentvillager wrote:dwlee why do you feel so unengaged? i dont think ive played with you before is this just your playstyle

i thought faker was ~fine but i don't feel like ive noticed your presence this game really

I feel less engaged when the game is stagnant. The game is stagnant. The semester also started so I'm more busy than normal.

Also this post feels scummy

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1514 (isolation #81) » Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:36 am

If scum!std then he is blocked anyway. STD is good at the game so he is a good confirmed town

Happy scum day

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:14 am

I think STD is good to keep around if he is town and if he isn't we lim him tomorrow because he is being jailkept anyway so another no kill would be a pseudo guilty. Scum also have to decide if they even want to kill when the follower can catch them.

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:19 am

If you jail STD tonight and a kill happens he is confirmed. How is this keeping him alive for a mislim?

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:20 am

In post 1518, Dwlee99 wrote:If you jail STD tonight and a kill happens he is confirmed. How is this keeping him alive for a mislim?

In this world follower also gets an innocent or a guilty so

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:23 am

STD is cool that's the benefit.

You could decide to jail someone else but then you risk blocking the follower.

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:25 am

It's not certain

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:26 am

Yea sure

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:36 am

If it's him or IV why don't you like that I'm voting IV

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:48 am

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:04 pm

6 pages passed

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1537 (isolation #91) » Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:28 pm

In post 1494, innocentvillager wrote:dwlee why do you feel so unengaged? i dont think ive played with you before is this just your playstyle

i thought faker was ~fine but i don't feel like ive noticed your presence this game really

this post was scummy

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1558 (isolation #92) » Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:23 pm

In post 1538, innocentvillager wrote:what is scummy about it??

In post 1553, innocentvillager wrote:{Nor, Dwlee, Datisi/STD} is my pool in that order probably

Well you want to say how townie faker was but you don't townread me cause I'm not engaged enough when I'm tasked with finding 1 scum in 6 players??

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1560 (isolation #93) » Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:05 pm

In post 1494, innocentvillager wrote:dwlee why do you feel so unengaged? i dont think ive played with you before is this just your playstyle

i thought faker was ~fine but i don't feel like ive noticed your presence this game really

It just feels slimy like you're making up stuff to scumread me or stuff to say. Like this post does nothing but kinda shade me and your question doesn't actually help sort me

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1564 (isolation #94) » Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:12 pm

How did your question help sort me? You said yourself it didn't.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1565 (isolation #95) » Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:13 pm

You rephrase "doesn't help sort" to "useless" when they are different things

And sure yea chance to explain but also it's trying to put dwlee is scum vibes into the thread air.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1566 (isolation #96) » Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:15 pm

It was also right after I voted you and I don't even think I was particularly super disengaged. I mean I'm not engaged engaged cause I was just kinda like oh yea kill STD I guess but also i think I had a normal level of engagement relative to other players but you're talking about my engagement and trying to frame it a certain way.

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:37 am

Did Marci confirm JK target if we kill STD?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1580 (isolation #98) » Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:02 am

See but now you feel caught for the wrong reasons

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1581 (isolation #99) » Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:04 am

But yes I've asked questions that didn't end up helping sorting that ai thought might but I think I've already explained why I think your question actually wasn't made with the intent to sort.

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:25 am

Defensiveness isn't a scum tell but the way you defend yourself can be

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:26 am

And your posts just feel incongruent with one another in a way

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:05 am

If it's IV I will forever mald

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:06 am

But okay Marci jailkeeps math. If kill happens we have an inno and probably a guilty or another inno.

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:10 am

Ded is what George said. Scum partners confirmed?

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:11 am

In post 1609, NorwegianboyEE wrote:No, George is my scum partner.

Oh okay

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:28 am

I just want to grill

Dwlee99 · Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:36 pm

How is mathblade dead if marci jailkept him?

Dwlee99 · Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:37 pm

Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends to stopping every kill that would resolve on the target by default.

Dwlee99 · Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:48 pm

I'm pretty sure there was a mod error or Marci didn't babysit math

Dwlee99 · Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:52 pm

Anyway lim today we enter tomorrow with either 3 - 1 with one conftown or 2 - 1 with one conftown. I propose murdering IV unless Marci jailkept them.

Dwlee99 · Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:39 am

Where is marci

Dwlee99 · Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:34 pm

Dwlee99 · Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:35 pm

Last online time supports that theory :/

Dwlee99 · Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:07 pm

The answer is no

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:21 am

In post 1641, innocentvillager wrote:If no kill then kill dwlee and jail Datisi and we win if Ali is town

This is why you should die

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:22 am

And also no, no limming here is just bad play

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:23 am

I'm the town we bet the game on because faker obvtowned before me and I hopped onto George and gave it momentum for no reason if I'm scum. Why would I just derp place a vote and say that I'm sheeping Datisi for funzies there, it doesn't make sense.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:26 am

In post 593, GeorgeBailey wrote:It feels like DWlee was pressured by Mathblade to make a vote and then dropped one on Marci haphazardly. If Dwlee is scum then I don't see Mathblade as being scum here.

And if I'm scum here is George just giving someone credit on my flip for no reason

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:34 am

We are about 11 hours from a prod

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:45 am

Datisi why me scum over Alisae

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:54 am

Well the point about faker is that IV's progression on me was bad cause it was like yea faker seems town but dwlee blabla

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:54 am

Also once Marci either comes back or we have a replacement then jailkeeper jails you after we kill IV.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:06 pm

In post 1494, innocentvillager wrote:dwlee why do you feel so unengaged? i dont think ive played with you before is this just your playstyle

i thought faker was ~fine but i don't feel like ive noticed your presence this game really

This is the post. It's scummy

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:06 pm

I had 80 posts when you said you hadn't noticed my presence. Lol okay

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:07 pm

I also had multiple pages just engaging with people when I replaced in. So yea saying I didn't have a presence is just total BS. You should have been limmed yesterday

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:23 pm

That has been the point the entire time I've been pushing you. I think scum you knows you have to 1.) Look busy and 2.) That you need to be making people doubt their townreads on townread slots to avoid being killed. That post fits it

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:26 pm

You need to fake some kind of progression on my slot to get me eliminated. Before that question you townread me, then you have a post that's like "oh maybe norwee or dwlee is setting up for my mislim tomorrow" and then you ask me that question which was just bad scummy bad

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:28 pm

In post 1009, T3 wrote:
Votecount:

GeorgeBailey (4): Dwlee99, Datisi, MathBlade, Save The Dragons
marcistar (1): The M&Ms
NorwegianboyEE (1): innocentvillager
Save The Dragons (1): marcistar
MathBlade (1): NorwegianboyEE
innocentvillager (1): GeorgeBailey
With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-09-03 14:04:01).
MOD NOTES: I'm doing VCs by hand so let me know if there are any errors.

In post 1032, T3 wrote:
Votecount:

GeorgeBailey (4): Dwlee99, Datisi, MathBlade, Save The Dragons
innocentvillager (2): GeorgeBailey, NorwegianboyEE
marcistar (1): Alisae
NorwegianboyEE (1): innocentvillager
Save The Dragons (1): marcistar
With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-09-03 14:04:01).
MOD NOTES: I'm doing VCs by hand so let me know if there are any errors.

Also this feels like the "vote my buddy as I'm going down" vote.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:30 pm

In post 1435, T3 wrote:
Votecount:

Save The Dragons (3): MathBlade, Dwlee99, NorwegianboyEE
innocentvillager (1): Save The Dragons
NorwegianboyEE (1): innocenntvillager
With 8 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-09-11 15:19:01).
MOD NOTES: I'm doing VCs by hand so let me know if there are any errors.

In post 1600, T3 wrote:
Votecount:

Save The Dragons (3): MathBlade, marcistar, Datisi
innocentvillager (3): Save The Dragons, Dwlee99, NorwegianboyEE
NorwegianboyEE (1): innocenntvillager
With 8 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-09-11 15:19:01).
MOD NOTES: I'm doing VCs by hand so let me know if there are any errors.

Also your vote was parked on norwee, one of the only people other than me not claimed which is ??? given yesterday's game state

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:14 pm

Narratives are right sometimes

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:19 pm

I didn't like your day one. I didn't like your day 2. I don't like your day 3. There are associatives to back this up and better reasons to townread everyone else. Game should just be over on your lim.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:27 pm

Datisi or Alisae. But it isn't them, it's you.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:29 pm

I just finished a game where people wanted to mislim Datisi before just killing the scum. I will prevent it a second time.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:43 pm

My join date is six years ago please don't patronize me

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:56 pm

Normally I don't say this because I like being able to just obvtown myself into victory, but I want to be the jailkeep target tonight if IV flips town. Then at least I won't get mislimmed and can pick between Datisi/Alisae.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:10 pm

Yea you can say you're town all you want. It does not make you town. And yes, you were being patronizing.
[quote=] i kinda just want to teach you a lesson about confirmation bias[/quote]
this is patronizing

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:10 pm

i kinda just want to teach you a lesson about confirmation bias

this is patronizing

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:10 pm

In post 1689, Alisae wrote:Dwlee I'm really not buying it

Okay, so it is Datisi? Or what?

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:18 pm

In post 1616, T3 wrote:
Votecount:

Save The Dragons (5): MathBlade, marcistar, Datisi, NorwegianboyEE,
Alisae

innocentvillager (2): Save The Dragons, Dwlee99
NorwegianboyEE (1): innocenntvillager
With 8 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-09-11 15:19:01).
MOD NOTES: I'm doing VCs by hand so let me know if there are any errors.

yes you are doing great

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:34 pm

okay if it's not iv I'm voting alisae

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:36 pm

yes cause I just rando bus my teammate for no reason

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:55 pm

No, I'm gonna get jailkept tonight after we kill IV and then I'm gonna vote you and we can hand Datisi the win like you want if you and IV are town.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:59 pm

I'm obvtown but okay

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:00 pm

Datisi gets to win if both of you are town cause you'd both be playing terribly

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:02 pm

Also this is a totally incongruency with your play under the M&M account so yea you actually might be more likely scum than IV here now. You've even got the scum gloat

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:03 pm

For future reference, it will almost always work better to buddy me as scum

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:05 pm

Okay lemme reproduce the towncase I've already done on myself again, this time computer edition

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:06 pm

1.) Faker slot was obvtown. You even said you were probably never voting Faker slot because of it.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:09 pm

2.) This whole sequence

In post 829, Save The Dragons wrote:VOTE: georgebailey

In post 831, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: George

In post 888, Dwlee99 wrote:Rn I'm going all in on "dats has scum read on person he seems sure about" because of the time he nailed Ico day one in Garfield minus Garfield mini normal.

In post 889, Datisi wrote:to be precise, i don't have a scumread on georgebailey, i have an absence of a townread due to absence of [thing]

which is different than a full blown scumread, but if george is insisting on not playing the game, then it half turns into policy so /shrug

In post 890, Dwlee99 wrote:Not town = scums

In post 891, Dwlee99 wrote:Sounds like meta but we will ignore that for now

In post 892, Datisi wrote:absence of a townread =/= scumread

in that game, scum fucked up by saying something scummy
rn george is not saying something townie
but absence of evidence isn't evidence of absense or something like that

In post 893, Datisi wrote:
In post 891, Dwlee99 wrote:Sounds like meta but we will ignore that for now
also my read in that game was 100% meta but you weren't complaining about the d1 scumflip were you

In post 894, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay look meta bad but that game he did scummy thing and it just so happened that he had done said scummy thing a different time as well so it made it extra bad. Meta still bad though, he was just caught on doing scummy thing.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 pm

3.) I was saying we should conftown STD instead of Mathblade D2 because I was pretty sure Math was town anyway

In post 1514, Dwlee99 wrote:If scum!std then he is blocked anyway. STD is good at the game so he is a good confirmed town

Happy scum day

In post 1516, Dwlee99 wrote:I think STD is good to keep around if he is town and if he isn't we lim him tomorrow because he is being jailkept anyway so another no kill would be a pseudo guilty. Scum also have to decide if they even want to kill when the follower can catch them.

In post 1518, Dwlee99 wrote:If you jail STD tonight and a kill happens he is confirmed. How is this keeping him alive for a mislim?

Here's STD's reads btw, where if I'm scum I have literally no reason to want to keep STD alive and conftown.

In post 1489, Save The Dragons wrote:i don't think it's you
i don't think it's datisi
i don't think it's math

i think it's IV
if not it's like dwlee or norwee or something
if not fuck me

i feel like scum IV could have just gone along with the STD killing plan though so i'm definitely not confident

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:17 pm

4.) Further anti-associatives from the George himself, not me just voting him

In post 593, GeorgeBailey wrote:I only really have time to look at mathblade rn. My initial impression was "scum who doesn't get jokes" cause that's a read that can be strangely accurate.

But it seems like he's very serious most of them time. like:

In post 470, MathBlade wrote:
In post 466, Dwlee99 wrote:Scum doesn't want the vote counts to be readable, clear protown agenda imo
This is NAI.

I have done the same as both alignments.
I struggle reading neon and mods use it anyway so I give up asking.
seems genuine.

I also love this interaction though.

In post 496, MathBlade wrote:It kinda is though. If you’ve skimmed enough to have an opinion then you’ve skimmed enough to be held to it.

VOTE: Dwlee

I don’t like their ISO.

And if Dwlee flips scum I have a gut read M&Ms is.

Like I kinda wanna vote M&Ms based on gut but Dwlee is more likely.

In post 499, Dwlee99 wrote:Ok I read a bit THEN I thought "hey I'll ISO marci!" and then I skimmed it because I can't read but what I noticed is that Marci hasn't placed a vote the entire game. So I crossreferenced this with the mini that t3 just hosted where she vote parked on scum. And I think here she comes across like she is afraid to place a vote so therefore
VOTE: Marci
It feels like DWlee was pressured by Mathblade to make a vote and then dropped one on Marci haphazardly.
If Dwlee is scum then I don't see Mathblade as being scum here.

No opinion on Unwnd. It seemed like that whole Krazy-alt fiasco muddied things up for me.

I'll get to you later but uh i gotta leave now sorry

See large bolded. If I'm scum with george why would he be willing to give towncred to a slot if I flipped. It doesn't make sense.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:18 pm

5.) Expanding on the earlier point, look at how fast George is to just cede to me. He knew his case was dumb cause I'm town

In post 605, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 602, Dwlee99 wrote:Look at time stamps. That post had nothing to do with Mathblade.
My b, those were only like 3 minutes apart yeah. Unless your wpm is like 300 and this is a ruse.

In post 603, innocentvillager wrote:I’d probably be TRing math if I didn’t feel he was a strong scum player but unwnd was fine so
I'd be TRing you rn if u wrnt so tilted xd

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:23 pm

6.) Timestamps on these posts. You think I hop onto the strongman's wagon, ask Mathblade to tell me if his analysis says the strongman is evil, and then I just peace out of the thread for a whole day. I'd probably be trying to do literally anything to not let the lim go through like hopping back onto Marci or onto another wagon. This reminds me that some people were totally doing the "I could see town player x paired with GeorgeBailey, vote: x" and I need to revisit that.

In post 901, Dwlee99 wrote:Does your analysis say George is evil

In post 1042, Dwlee99 wrote:Goodnight friends

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:27 pm

Okay so now for the scumcase on Alisae if IV is town because the IV scumread I think I've already explained

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:29 pm

In post 1037, Alisae wrote:
In post 1032, T3 wrote:
Votecount:

GeorgeBailey (4): Dwlee99, Datisi, MathBlade, Save The Dragons
innocentvillager (2): GeorgeBailey, NorwegianboyEE
marcistar (1): The M&Ms
NorwegianboyEE (1): innocentvillager
Save The Dragons (1): marcistar
With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-09-03 14:04:01).
MOD NOTES: I'm doing VCs by hand so let me know if there are any errors.

probs want to changes The M&Ms to Alisae

also
VOTE: george

Bad hammer. Doesn't care about claim cause if he's scum he knows what it'll flip.

In post 1078, Alisae wrote:This game is over, let's start by massclaiming. This is the order I propose.

Marci
Ali
Math
IV
Datisi
Dwlee
STD
Norwee

I'll be honest I do not care when I claim but Norwee's position I will not change.

@STD, Dwlee, Norwee
- Any objections or positions that you want moved?

Proposes mass claim to out the jailkeeper and all the VTs to narrow down who the last PR is. I probably went too hard "slipping" that I'm a PR cause Norwee ended up dead, but the mass claim basically told who the PR was when another townie night kill would have clinched the game for us.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:33 pm

In post 1689, Alisae wrote:Dwlee I'm really not buying it

In post 1693, Alisae wrote:
In post 1692, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1689, Alisae wrote:Dwlee I'm really not buying it
Okay, so it is Datisi? Or what?

In post 1694, Alisae wrote:please continue

In post 1696, Alisae wrote:very cool dwlee
what else ya got

In post 1698, Alisae wrote:i'm not buyin IV
and I'm not buyin it's Datisi
only 1 option left really

This is just textbook scum gloating

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:33 pm

In post 1703, Alisae wrote:that's really cute that you think you have any authority in deciding that

also this one

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:35 pm

In post 1700, Alisae wrote:I think Datisi is town based on my conversation with him on D2. They strongly believed it was not Save the Dragons for reasons that were good and when I asked them "who dun it" it seemed like they just didn't know since we talked about IV prior. I genuinely believe he didn't know anything. Very hard to fake.
I don't buy that IV's actions come from scum. Period. End of discussion there. And honestly even if they do, I will give Datisi his win. He deserves it. His actions during the duration of the game compared to the events that happened in the game do not match with what scum wants to be doing. It's much more likely the guy just doesn't know anything.
Both of the players above if scum consider me fooled.

The reasoning on IV is completely shallow

I have a really hard time seeing ur actions based on this day phase alone as villagery.

Analyzing my play in a vacuum in this day phase instead of the fact I've thought it was IV for literally forever and I'm presenting good reasons for him to be scum

I can sense the unease you feel knowing that you just played right into my hands.

Nonsense gut read

I can sense the danger you feel as you as you quickly switch your target from IV to me knowing that IV might just not be possible.

oh no they caught me

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:41 pm

In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12971703#p12971703]post 565[/url], The M&Ms wrote:IV + Math or Dwlee's Marci concern is on the money and so were my gut concerns. It's not impossible for it to be george but either my reads are shit and he is or I have too many suspects and its likely that he's just not it. who knows mafia is a weird game.

I am probably never voting Faker slot.
I would rather vote one in the first 3 before voting Datisi.
I have not been presented with a reason to vote STD. Honestly same goes to IV I kinda don't get that one but I can see unwnd + IV being a team so like /shrug. Kinda leaving STD to the side for now.
don't have a norwee read yet. No reason to right now anyways. Tho I'm actually kinda mad that he won't let me troll him as easily

I feel like contributing so these are just my thoughts. I may or may not go back to trolling or actually contributing based on mood.

In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12971706#p12971706]post 566[/url], The M&Ms wrote:Dwlee I wouldn't worry about the pressure from math too much.
It's either irrelevant or its scum.
In one case you want to just let it do its own thing (talking sometimes doesn't rly help), the other you want to kill it.

I think we can kill it but like tbh idrc. Math gets easier to read overtime anyways.

In post 1144, Alisae wrote:it ain't IV
it ain't dwlee
and we can just keep a jailkeeper on STD for the rest of the game and honestly I'm happy with that.

In post 1372, Alisae wrote:idunno this game is over
Faker is not a wolf.
Datisi you're not a wolf
IV doesn't make sense to be a wolf and if he is like bro guy can't even win. Also throughout the whole game he defended MathBlade you think this guy's stances come from scum? 0 chance. Nada. Nope.
Norwee not a wolf.
Marci not a wolf.
Mathblade not a wolf.

Like hello?
Dats do you think it's me?

In post 1628, Alisae wrote:me
Datisi
Dwlee
IV
Marci

In post 1689, Alisae wrote:Dwlee I'm really not buying it

Here is Alisae's progression on me. Can't tell if it's worse than IV's but it's awful either way. Like I'm locktown, I should ignore Math's push, etc. buddying posts and then after I come up with this whole case against IV it's a total pivot to me being scum. Scum!Alisae would see that an IV flip is inevitable if I flip, so my flip seals his win condition.

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:43 pm

In post 1103, Datisi wrote:why the hell do people think i'm a masochist and insist on turbobussing my strongman for the whole goddamn day 1 when i know very well that 99/100 ends in me entering autoloss

And if it isn't IV then PoE means it is Alisae anyway

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:44 pm

Okay now here's some addendums to the IV scum case from earlier cause I am bored and took my concentration pills today so I'm popping off

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:45 pm

In post 45, innocentvillager wrote:hi

In post 47, innocentvillager wrote:im scared of spewing my partner as well

In post 48, innocentvillager wrote:VOTE: Datisi clearly scum

In post 49, innocentvillager wrote:;)

I hate this entrance I hate this entrance I hate this entrance

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:47 pm

In post 733, innocentvillager wrote:i think im at like

{STD, Math} - townlean
{Datisi, Dwlee} - townish i guess
{marci} - ehh conflicted
{Nor, George, M&M} - null

No scum reads????

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:49 pm

In post 776, innocentvillager wrote:
In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12972862#p12972862]post 773[/url], The M&Ms wrote:
In post 753, Save The Dragons wrote:i dunno man, after all that i'm not sure i'm sold on iv
Ya
my initial impression of IV is that on a cursory look he isn't doing anything wrong?
Right now I would like to hear your thoughts on if Math and Unwnd's contributions come from town and if marci's behaviors are townie?
Right now I think that Math and unwnd's contributions did not come from town (Unwnd has done literally nothing and Math is obvscum and can explain more later. I do not believe MathBlade is scumhunting and I do not believe they are being an honest villager). I think that Marci is trying to pretend to be town. That was my gut impression earlier, that Marci is really just trying to look like she's a townie. And when I felt she responded to Dwlee's concerns, I saw that as how scum would react to Dwlee's concern.
what do u think scum!Math's agenda is here? as i mentioned in some of my above posts i don't really see it

In post 778, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 732, Save The Dragons wrote:i think they're actually pretty easy to read based on their images which means they aren't just shitposting, and i feel like scum!M&Ms doesn't take a break from posting images to give their reads in a readable format
STD i feel like you didn't really explain ur M/M townread even though you address it multiple times

why do you like they've posted/why are they easy to read through their images/why is scum not likely to drop the troll gimmick at some point

In post 804, innocentvillager wrote:idk about this math push

I don’t really see any real scum!indicative reasons? And most importantly, for the kind of player he is, who could he be scum with and whats the scum! motivation for his actions?

In post 806, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 781, Save The Dragons wrote:scum!M&Ms doesn't get bored of trolling. town!M&Ms have a different agenda and they presumably wanted to play mafia to hunt for scum. trolling doesn't accomplish that, so because they got bored they resorted to scumhunting. even if scum!m&ms got bored of trolling, they probably would have resorted to something else rather than fake scum hunting. that's what i think anyway.
i don’t really agree that there’s necessarily a big distinction here as you say

I am starting to feel like the directness and tone here there’s something here, I just don’t feel like I cna rly parse it into a townread the way you are

In post 807, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 805, NorwegianboyEE wrote:The scum motivation is that he is wying for control. And trying to dominate the game as an wolf and eliminate opposition.
I mean maybe

i still feel like there is a difference between what he is doing (pissing a bunch of ppl off, trying to aggressive shift people off of the main couple wagons), and an actual scum agenda to control everyone

maybe I just feel this way because I’m getting WK’d by him and not pissed off lol

In post 811, innocentvillager wrote:math why do you have a final solve at this stage?

i don’t know if I love the case on M/M, the only thing I can see is that marci/George is an easy solve rn but tbh I have both near my bottom too

In post 821, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 819, marcistar wrote:i can see how i dont look like a townie, i think i sometimes play kinda scummy.
why can you see how you don’t look like a townie?

I remember you and George as town were kind of elimbait for the longest time in Newbie 2058 so I buy this as a statement in general

In post 827, innocentvillager wrote:
In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12973777#p12973777]post 823[/url], The M&Ms wrote:Ya this narative spinning is something that ur doing a lot and it’s not townie
it feels very narrativy but I’m not convinced it’s scum agenda rather than confbiased town

In post 833, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 767, innocentvillager wrote:he's not doing a great job saving his partner marci or George if my elimination doesn't go through
Datisi I did say that as the first reasoning

But then my part two i think is basically just he’s not doing a great job saving Marci or George especially by whiteknighting me so really I think the only pairing to me that makes a whole lot of sense objectively is with me

All of these posts just feel super wishy-washy

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:51 pm

In post 223, innocentvillager wrote:eh VOTE: NorwegianboyEE this seems like a better place for my vote

Also he didn't move his vote since this post early in day one

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:52 pm

Also jank progression on me which I've been over already

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:53 pm

In post 1271, innocentvillager wrote:hi sorry im on vacay for and honestly dont really wanna read more

took a quick skim but i didn't really understand the mech discussions

if it's autowin let's just do it feels like it should be? or is it not autowin? who claimed what - marci JK and
whos the other PR

some fishin

Dwlee99 · Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:01 pm

Anyway I trust Datisi and am willing to give him the win for that spicy bus if he's scum so if everyone agrees we can kill IV/Alisae, jailkeep me to conf me, and then vote out the other of IV/Alisae and the game will be over. Deal?

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:55 am

If you are both scummy and Datisi is not then that is a town case for Datisi

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:56 am

In post 1721, Dwlee99 wrote:Here is Alisae's progression on me. Can't tell if it's worse than IV's but it's awful either way.

And I am acknowledging one is wrong pretty clearly here

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:58 am

In post 1733, innocentvillager wrote:The new accusations Like wishy washy and not scumreads are a) recycled from STD’s case and b) just how I play/shouldn’t even be scummy in a vacuum without meta.

a.) Just means I mind melded with STD posthumously because I didn't recycle them, I read through your ISO
b.) Meta bad

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:01 am

Anyway you seem more legit, Alisae was scummy then just completely dipped from the thread when I started popping off so
VOTE: Alisae
Don't go through with this lim til we have a replacement/Marci is back ofc

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:01 am

In post 1742, innocentvillager wrote:dwlee can you talk about how Ali being scum here makes sense in this context? why would Ali hammer partner without getting him to claim it just seems like so ridiculous if he is scum

i honestly think the bus gambit by you or Datisi is far more probable than what Ali did

Exactly because it's ridiculous is a reason to do it. I also think scum!ali here has in mind that he can no-kill to avoid any guilties and then ask for mass claim to get PRs to out themselves. Which is exactly what happened. If George claimed something then maybe Ali could have killed the jailkeeper one night sooner but no-kill into asking for mass claim outs the jailkeeper and can get a mislim.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:02 am

In post 1740, innocentvillager wrote:uh I have to say I am surprised? what specifically changed for you about me?

You feel townie and I don't have enough paranoia about you to hard question it. If you were pooky I would have just vote parked you.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:05 am

Also, one reason to jailkeep me and not datisi is that Datisi should not get the hammer. Mainly for his sake

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:20 am

Pooky is good at pinging my towndar as scum in a way I have no reason to think you do.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:22 am

And the whole thing about narrative formation for why people could be scum is that it couples with more specific reads as well. If someone is scummy but there isn't a scum-narrative that makes sense for their play they're probably town.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:24 am

Example:

In post 3550, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1552, schadd_ wrote:
Spoiler:
votey 1.final !

Titus (4):
Dwlee99, Fairy Circle, NorwegianboyEE, Green Cap Boys

Fairy Circle (3):
RCEnigma, mastina, Bingle

The Limit Does Not Exist (1):
The Emperor

T3 (1):
Titus

not voting (2):
The Limit Does Not Exist, T3

with 11 alive, it evidently took 4 to cause someone to Wet.

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VCA of a town hunting town vote count is all the scum being off main wagon. Also scum!GCB probably wants me to kill Titus overnight which looks bad for me/norwee/t3. T3 stays off wagon cause optics of voting Titus here

In post 3551, Dwlee99 wrote:Norwee and me were gungho Titus is saying nonsense and G3 hemned and hawed

So if you look in my posts that game you'll see I found the scum-narrative that indicated t3. This is just one piece of the pie. You'll also notice though that I found that Datisi (GCB was a hydra with Datisi in it) didn't have a scum narrative, and so was probably town.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:40 am

Hi Koba

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:57 am

In post 1765, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 1745, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1742, innocentvillager wrote:dwlee can you talk about how Ali being scum here makes sense in this context? why would Ali hammer partner without getting him to claim it just seems like so ridiculous if he is scum

i honestly think the bus gambit by you or Datisi is far more probable than what Ali did
Exactly because it's ridiculous is a reason to do it. I also think scum!ali here has in mind that he can no-kill to avoid any guilties and then ask for mass claim to get PRs to out themselves. Which is exactly what happened. If George claimed something then maybe Ali could have killed the jailkeeper one night sooner but no-kill into asking for mass claim outs the jailkeeper and can get a mislim.
is there a reason you think scum no killed instead of killing STD...?

Who was killing STD there? I don't buy it.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:57 am

In post 1766, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 1751, Dwlee99 wrote:Pooky is good at pinging my towndar as scum in a way I have no reason to think you do.
so to be clear ur progression on me is

hate my posting day1
Day2
Day3

then i post a few posts lately, some of which just magically ping your towndar, and suddenly I’m town and Ali is scum?

yes

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:58 am

In post 1760, Alisae wrote:Dwlee is probably voting me now because I don’t wanna dance to the script they prepared earlier this phase.
I’ll probably read their posts later just to make sure but this sudden turn onto me because I scumread him is probably scum motivated

In post 1761, Alisae wrote:To me Dwlee looks as if they are just looking for something to kill and are not scumhunting

I've laid out why you and IV could both be scum. How is that not scumhunting exactly?

You're shading me while admitting you haven't read anything I've posted

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:00 pm

In post 1760, Alisae wrote:Dwlee is probably voting me now because I don’t wanna dance to the script they prepared earlier this phase.

I’ll probably read their posts later
just to make sure but this sudden turn onto me because I scumread him is probably scum motivated

In post 1761, Alisae wrote:
To me Dwlee looks as if
they are just looking for something to kill and are not scumhunting

How is this congruent?

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:00 pm

In post 1760, Alisae wrote:Dwlee is probably voting me now because I don’t wanna dance to the script they prepared earlier this phase.

I’ll probably read their posts later
just to make sure but this sudden turn onto me because I scumread him is probably scum motivated

In post 1761, Alisae wrote:
To me Dwlee looks as if
they are just looking for something to kill and are not scumhunting

Enlarged for easier viewing

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:03 pm

If two of you sufficiently towntell we win. If scum slips up we win. I believe Alisae slipped up last night and was basically open wolfing last night when he started attacking me

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:38 pm

In post 1773, Alisae wrote:the people who want to be right are the villagers and that's just not you.

what does this even mean

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:38 pm

In post 1774, Alisae wrote:You get to act like scum for free and Datisi will never tell.
It's a repeat of undertale all over again.
Datisi do you remember that btw?
you know how much I kept yelling that Krazy and tw was scum?
And you remember who you let win that game?

And this is why I'm not giving Datisi hammer. I want to be jailkept.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:27 pm

In post 1780, Alisae wrote:Dats scum!Dwlee is obv here I hope you can see it

I don't think you're gonna be able to convince Datisi considering he has since me as town a lot lately

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:31 pm

I'm the only one that's actually attempted to figure out who is evil today. Not sure if that question gets what you want

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:37 pm

You sound like the MBOS dead chat

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:43 pm

In post 1794, Datisi wrote:while i appreciate what you did in mbos, why are you so sure on me being town this game? like some of your posts towards me earlier gave me a feeling you were scumreading me, but maybe that was just me imagining the tone there

I am figuring things out. But given this game is basically a repeat of garfield in terms of "Datisi pegs scum early and I follow" I feel good about you being town.

oh, another q now that some games have finished - you never blindly sheeped me in either mbos or white flag. how come this game you were like "yeak yknow what datisi caught ico that one time so let's go onto george"

I blindly sheeped you onto ico in Garfield. But in those games at the time I didn't think you were right and iirc you weren't right. I think I just know when to sheep you?

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:45 pm

Checked MBOS: You were pushing norwee at the beginning.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:47 pm

White flag you went bugspray -> GL -> bugspray. Your push on GL wasn't like super hard or anything though

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:54 pm

I think me blind sheeping you is vibe based. You can say the ico vote wasn't blind sheeping but...

In post 100, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Iconium
I'm checking peta tonight.

this is my only post about iconeum that day. I just naked voted him and then that was it.

This game had a similar vibe that you were right so I went with it.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:55 pm

In post 1801, Alisae wrote:Jailkeeper target should be on the player we want to clear tomorrow.
I would rather kill Dwlee than clear him tomorrow because Dwlee's play seems textbook scummy based on this phase alone. It seems like he is playing as I think scum would play right now if scum is trying to win the game.
I don't care who gets jailkept as long as it's not Dwlee

mad I'm gonna vote you out rip

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:01 pm

Quickhammering like that is always +scum

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:03 pm

In post 731, Dwlee99 wrote:P sure that's a scum claim from Cyrus
VOTE: Cyrus

In post 733, OutWorldER wrote:
cyrus62 has been executed by majority vote, they were a...

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24 hours into day one I murderized cyrus to get him to shutup

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:07 pm

It was a quickhammer without a chance for claim. As town you would know that there is roughly a 2/9 chance that the person you're wagoning is basically an innocent child from the setup. Hammering before claim betrays that you already know that it isn't a PR or that you don't care.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:09 pm

In post 1818, Datisi wrote:i don't care about "a hammer like that is always +scum" i need the WHY

Also the next day phase alisae pushed for a mass claim exposing our PRs. If a VT dies last night we'd actually be autowin, but alisae wanted PRs to out first thing the next day.