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[Almost50]

I FoS Nero.

VOTE: Nero

It's HILARIOUS that this is the opening post of the thread.

[Almost50]

Vote Count 1.01

ssbm_Kyouko (3)

- Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever, DrippingGoofball

Titus (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Nero Cain (1)

- MathBlade

Mathblade (1)

- Nero Cain

Cat Scatching Fever (1)

- Titus

DrippingGoofball (1)

- House

Not voting (4)

: Wake88, Kerset, Andresvmb, Almost50

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Just an opportunistic vote on the largest wagon. I don't even know why anyone is voting anyone else.

[Almost50]

You do realize, of course, that I will now have to fabricate an excuse to tunnel you for at least 3 pages, right?

Feel free to do whatever makes you look busy. I am actually wearing a sign on my back that says "Target Me .. Night or Day".

[Almost50]

Wouldn't put it past CSF and Kyo to town read me for the cred but I highly doubt my wagon is pure.

Oooh bonus points if A50 is scum lol
A50 tell was the same in the power me up game (I think that’s what it was)

Nero A50 Cat? Maaaaybe DGB but doubtful?

I am objecting to this gentleman being on jury on the basis he's shown preemptive bias against the defendant without cause.

[Almost50]

I keep going back and forth on Titus.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Taxis suck

#RideTheBus

This is an even better slogan

[Almost50]

#pagetop??

[Almost50]

Clarification:

It takes 7 to eliminate at the moment (Votes to eliminate = floor(50% + 1)). I will be editing previous vote counts to include this information and also will include it in future vote counts.

Shocking!

[Almost50]

I only have like 50-something posts rn

And I only have like 50-something years under my belt. So?

[Almost50]

Know who else is flying under the radar?

VOTE: Almost50

This guy.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Why are you avoiding engaging the person who's actively shading you whose ISO you refuse to read?

VOTE: Kerset

Didn't you just say you'd stick to me until I do something you like? I didn't even post between that post and this one.

[Almost50]

The only confident read I have so far is this is Town!Nero. Nero posted a total of 263 posts on LN 234 (including post-game) where he was Scum. In comparison, he posted 569 in LN 235 (where he was Town). There are other indicators/factors that lead me to believe he is Town here. but this is the most glaring tell of them. Now the question is whether that readlist he posted was his initial impressions or the "tampered with" version.

[Almost50]

Everybody lies.™

Well, that saves me the trouble of thinking of something to so that'd please you.

[Almost50]

I guess I'll trust Nero's read on CSF. (Don't mind me.. I'm deliberately being slow in this game)

[Almost50]

Will you do something readable before day 4 this game?

Isn't giving reads "readable" enough for you?? I could do the hippy hippy shake for you if you like.

[Almost50]

Day is young. As long as my vote isn't on a wagon that really counts I'm content. Once I have a reason to join a serious wagon and/or have a real suspect I will move it. For now you should all be happy I am voting to begin with (check my most recent games as either alignment. I hardly vote at all on D1)

[Almost50]

I was holding out hope people would do the right thing and elim Nero. Like he is screaming “I am scum” and nothing. Same with A50 and Titus

Add CSF and that's exactly my 4-players town core. Don't let it stop you though.

[Almost50]

I guess it's time for me to cast a serious vote. A very serious one. One that has crossed the boundaries of seriousness that have ever been set.

Let's first define the pool (or as Math would put it.. "the range"): ssbm_Kyouko/Dragon of the West/Andresvmb/Kerset/Ythan/Wake88/DrippingGoofball/MathBlade/House

Now let's use this mathematically proven to work for finding a suitable vote target:

ssbm_Kyouko (Hickory)
Dragon of the West (dickory)
Andresvmb (dock)
Kerset (The mouse)
Ythan (went up)
Wake88 (the clock)
DrippingGoofball (The clock)
MathBlade (struck one)
House (The mouse)
ssbm_Kyouko (went down)
Dragon of the West (Hickory)
Andresvmb (dickory)
Kerset (dock)

VOTE: Kerset

Guys, I caught SCUM!

[Almost50]

(Serious voice) What do you make of DoTW?

I'll get back to you on this shortly. Stay tuned

[Almost50]

OK.. DotW is probably Town according to my sophisticated (and most intelligent) scum hunting method. I am working on a full analysis of the game and will be publishing me findings along with the detailed method shortly. My aim is to offer you a full solve of a 3-person Mafia team

[Almost50]

VOTE: DotW

Distancing

[Almost50]

Asia is not a monolith. I was poking fun at Dragon's username. :/ Sorry if you took me as saying Asia was.

Spoiler: Precious info about Asia

An English rock supergroup formed in London in 1981. Original line-up: John Wetton (lead vocalist and bassist of King Crimson and U.K.), Steve Howe (guitarist of Yes), Geoff Downes (keyboardist of Yes and The Buggles), and Carl Palmer (drummer of Emerson, Lake & Palmer). Interestingly, Asia have enjoyed more chart success in the US than they ever did in at home. Their debut album, Asia, released in 1982, remains their best selling album, although I was introduced to their music by the following song taken from their second album, Alpha.

[Almost50]

VOTE: DotW

Distancing

What changed your mind on DotW?

Spoiler:

OK.. DotW is probably Town according to my sophisticated (and most intelligent) scum hunting method. I am working on a full analysis of the game and will be publishing me findings along with the detailed method shortly. My aim is to offer you a full solve of a 3-person Mafia team

My overly complicated mathematical analysis model (Using the arbitrary function of "Ten Green Bottles Standing On The Wall") failed me big time. I tried ordering the players as the mod did on the front page, tried ordering them alphabetically, tried "longest name to shortest", and even tried removing my own and starting with "Nine Green Bottles", (Obviously I was trying to find the "green bottles" one by one until I had 3 names left with "No Green Bottles Standing On The Wall), and I always had at least one of you (CSF), Me, Titus & Nero in the leftovers, which proved to me this function does not solve the problem at hand. (Maybe I should have used some linear interpolation method to process the raw data before applying my model??)

[Almost50]

I'm thinking this deserves some pressure:

VOTE: Almost50

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

VOTE: A50

Don’t mind if I do. I wanna see something.

Oh no, not I, I will survive
Oh, as long as I know how to

love

troll, I know I'll stay alive
I've got all my life to live
And I've got all my

love

art to give and I'll survive
I will survive, hey, hey

[Almost50]

OK.. DotW is probably Town according to my sophisticated (and most intelligent) scum hunting method. I am working on a full analysis of the game and will be publishing me findings along with the detailed method shortly. My aim is to offer you a full solve of a 3-person Mafia team

VOTE: DotW

Distancing

And I noticed this as well.

I need your explanation for this ASAP, A50.

As far as I know; you're not a mathematician and you're not a magician, so I doubt you'll get what I'm trying to do here. I could be wrong (and I have been before)

[Almost50]

Townblocs are toxic for Town.

That's why I left you out of mine.

[Almost50]

Who'd want to be in your town bloc anyways

*Pout*
*Sniff sniff*
But.. but.. I put your name at the very top of it

[Almost50]

Question A50, who is scum in the first three posters and why haven't you brought it up?

Please have a good answer as your pocket is comfy.

That's part of why I dropped my second method, as -of all iterations- Ythan (Gamma's slot) came up only once.

Seriously though, that method is being reviewed by a panel of Me, Myself & I for reevaluation after it failed to catch scum more often recently (it used to have a 60-80% hitrate), and -with the likes of DGB around- it's be a waste of time and effort to even bring it up, and a BIG embarrassment if it fails.

I'm just town hunting instead (for real)

[Almost50]

real?

Town. I blended my thoughts. I need to see if the pocket is real.

Titus, my dear. When was the last time you saw me intentionally trying to pocket anyone at all?? I don't do pocketing.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Can you link the recent failures? I know the last time we were scum together, you told us to avoid being in the top three posters.

You.. you mean.. I need to actually do some work?? BORING!

OK.. Here are some:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87368
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86330
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86191
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86088

[Almost50]

A50's posts are a chronicle of his game hallucinations.

Mi granny tell me say nuh follow nobody
Chronicle tell me say nuh follow nobody
Him say son be anything jah man weh you want be
And don't go follow no other people pickney
See't deh, Christine gone and fulfill her destiny

[Almost50]

A50 are you running a fever?

That's a bit earlier than when I joined the music industry (as a fan ) but it still was a good tune back in the day

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Welcome to my town bloc @Kyouko

P.S. I don't necessarily agree with your read(s) on anyone, but that's irrelevant for the time being. I just wanted to sort YOU out because you are/were Nero's 2nd highest TR

Town bloc: Nero/CSF/Kyouko/Titus (with Titus being a special case since it wasn't her turn to get sorted, but she sorta forced herself into the town bloc)

[Almost50]

@DGB: Look me in the eye and tell me you're not Mick Hucknall

[Almost50]

What's your case?

[Almost50]

This post pings me. Reads similarly to how A50 acted in 235 where the whole time he was super jovial and unhelpful. I don't know if that's A50's schtick but it seems scum indicative to me

Just because a



is acting



doesn't make them a p

[Almost50]

A50 - I definitely scumread this slot

Of course you do. Now where is your vote???

[Almost50]

Dragon calls House Scum, and is looking for a partner on House's readlist, but his vote is stuck on Mathblade (who isn't even in House's bottom 5). Solid case, bro.

[Almost50]

So why are people still going for dragon? No revisions are being done after wallposts? I don't see good faith in math and house.

Wall posts can only trigger anger in me. I don't know what you see that is supposed to make me think "Oh! This is Town indeed."

[Almost50]

waiting on a tire change :/

NO WAY same

And that proves once and for all that Ythan & Kyouko are identical twins.

[Almost50]

Titus, Almost50... I could vote there.

VOTE: Titus

Great reads as always.

[Almost50]

Actually, I could do DGB here. It was Scum with me in a game that had just ended (it started with this one but only lasted 4 days). I will need DGB to explain how I could have played both games simultaneously with a Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde difference in playstyle as the same alignment. (I am not asking DGB to "meta" me. I am asking it to explain how the same person can have such huge difference in style in 2 games run simultaneously)

[Almost50]

Interesting. Dare you fathom my entire claim then from my first post?

Which is already told to DGB in the hood for verification?

Which is the reason if I die scum equity in DGB rises?

Who is your hood mate then and what *exactly* are you counter claiming here and why didn’t you earlier?

Math, are you drunk?? Titus quoted my joke post about Ythan & Kyouko being identical twins and said you & her would CC that. Now what does this have to do with your hood with DGB, your role, or -in fact- anything about the game?

[Almost50]

As much as I hate to say this; I think this proves Math is Town here.

[Almost50]

DGB voting Titua & Andres??

[Almost50]

Vote Count 1.20

Titus (4)

-

ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

, DrippingGoofball,

MathBlade

Dragon of the West (3)

-

Titus, Almost50

, House

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Ythan (1)

- Andresvmb

Almost50 (1)

- Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Wake88 (1)

-

Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (0)

:

This "probably" makes DotW town??

Wild guess: DGB+House+one of Ythan/Andres/Wake/Kerset

[Almost50]

Alright.. I think I want to see a full readlist from each of Ythan/Andres/Wake/Kerset. No reasoning needed (but if provided it will be a bonus)

[Almost50]

Why are you highlighting random names green?

Because I partially hacked the FBI server and the files I got showed these as "good citizens". Too bad the other names were not found on the files I got. Must've been on the remaining files I had lined up to download when they cut me off and terminated connection.

[Almost50]

You didn't prove this mathematically, so it's not valid

Oh, but I did. It's just a bit too hard to explain to the public, since it involves many conversions between various unit systems. (For example; I used meters, feet AND cubit for length measurements. I used Fahrenheit, Centigrade & Kelvin for temperature. Some calculations involved such constants as the speed of light in vacuum, c; the Planck constant, h; the elementary charge, e; the Avogadro constant, N(sub)A; and the Boltzmann constant, k(sub)B, gravitational constant, G, as well Pi, Phi & C).

Note: If you're still following, then what the hell are you doing playing Mafia? Go the hell back to the laboratory immediately.

[Almost50]

But I'm too hot for the laboratory.

Would you rather be in the kitchen??

[Almost50]

Plus, A50 used me in his calculations MathBlade. Now they're all suspect.

(Inside joke, an obscure nickname I have is e because MathBlade got Pi.)

I thought since he got Pi yours would be Cake

[Almost50]

But if Titus is scum it’s Titus + A50 + 1

Pick me! Pick me!

[Almost50]

@Titus: I know it's too early AND we don't have a scum flip (or any flip at all, actually), but assuming my 1524 is correct (or even partially correct) who stands the best chance of being scum??

If I were you I'd consider:

A) Only the green ones are correct, bit not necessarily any of the deduction
B) Green ones & DtoW are Town, but not necessarily the deduction of DGB/House as Scum
C) Everything I said in there is correct to the T

[Almost50]

I felt like 1557 is the kind of egging on post that I could easily see coming from scum.

At first I thought it was a plus and I was also like huh but then I noticed it was a minus and was like nvm

I am not going to extract your reads from your one-liners. I want a LIST. You do know what a list is, don't you? Now you can oblige or you can decline, but -at least- act like you understand plain simple English.

[Almost50]

I got prodded! This what I get for assuming -the normal- 48 hours before a prod. Will I learn from it and actually care to read the "Basic Rules" in any given game? HELL, NO! I'm probably going to forget it's 36 hours in this here game by the time I'm caught up!

[Almost50]

Fuck right off

You get the FINGER.. if suspicion

[Almost50]

Learn to compartmentalize

Meanwhile, I am trying to learn how to pronounce "compartmentalize". Com-part-mental-eyes. Comp-art-ment-alies. Compart-mentalize. Yay. I did it. I can even say it without looking at the scree, Compartmentalize. Did I get it right?

[Almost50]

HEY WAKE.. CHECK THIS OUT:

VOTE: Almost50

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

OMGUS

[Almost50]

Wild guess: DGB+House+one of Ythan/Andres/Wake/Kerset

The third is probably Wake (also OMGUS. )

So the scum team is DGB, Wake & House. INCIDENTALLY all three are in Nero's original readlist bottom 4, which is a VERY good sign.

[Almost50]

Literally an opportunistic vote on the largest wagon.

I mean, I'm used to some of us old fucks being trollishly surface level scummy as town to fuck with people who have level 0 play, and that looks like what's going on here.

You're judging A50 like noobscum, which he is not.

VOTE: Wake88

Tataru.

Pocket gladly accepted.

DGB, Wake & one of Ythan/Kerset (this mean I am moving Andres to a TR for absolutely no reason but my whim)

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost50

Just consolidating with a few days left

COME ON! I can't OMGUS you when I have been hard WKing you before. I call foul play

[Almost50]

A50 isn’t newb scum but this is his scum meta. I linked it from the charge me up game.

You're saying this but you're STILL NOT VOTING ME. Why is your vote IDLE??

[Almost50]

Ugh I have to consolidate and pick one.

VOTE: Almost50

I am torn by this but I think this makes the most sense then if A50 flips town

I learn a lot

and if scum I learn a lot whereas with the Wake wagon he’s had like no interactions.

Pedit: lmao

Maybe we will see

Sorry, but you actually

never learn

. We've been playing with each other for what? Six years? And you still suck at reading me.

[Almost50]

I'm a Compulsive Self-targeting Friendly Neighbor.

I was on the verge of CC'ing this claim, but I realized there could be more than one.

[Almost50]

I'm not convinced on a House elim, but I am open to an Almost50 or Andre one currently.

You're a vegetable (You're a vegetable)
You're a vegetable (You're a vegetable)
Still they hate you (Still they hate you)
You're a vegetable (You're a vegetable)
You're just a buffet (You're just a buffet) (You're a vegetable)
You're a vegetable (You're a vegetable)
They eat off of you (They eat off of you) (You're a vegetable)
You're a vegetable, aaow!
Help me sing it
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hoo-hoo)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hee-hee-hee)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hee-hee-hee)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Help me sing it, babe)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hee-hee-hee)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Yeah, sing it to the world)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Sing it out loud)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hoo-hoo)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hee-hee-hee)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Help me sing it)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hoo-hoo)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hee-hee)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Help me sing it to the world)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hoo-hoo)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hee-hee-hee)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hee-hee-hee)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Help me sing it)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hee-hee-hee)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Yeah)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Sing it to the world)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Sing it out loud)
Ma-ma-say, ma-ma-sah, ma-ma-coo-sah (Hoo-hoo)

[Almost50]

I Am all caught up. See you in FOURTY EIGHT hours.

[Almost50]

Ugh I have to consolidate and pick one.

VOTE: Almost50

I am torn by this but I think this makes the most sense then if A50 flips town

I learn a lot

and if scum I learn a lot whereas with the Wake wagon he’s had like no interactions.

Pedit: lmao

Maybe we will see

Sorry, but you actually

never learn

. We've been playing with each other for what? Six years? And you still suck at reading me.

A50 is town.

Going back to voting real scum.

VOTE: Andres

The game linked for context is where I picked out A50 correctly.

When A50 is town he can be good but there’s no hunting here far as I can tell

Alright whatevs

VOTE: A50

I have mafia burnout.

Nice "repositioning on the wagon" maneuver. My vote on you is no longer OMGUS.

[Almost50]

I beg to differ. Repositioning on the wagon is more often done by scum to either appear as a "late voter" rather than a leader, or because they were adjacent to a buddy and want to have space between their names on the wagon. I suspect this is BOTH. I could be wrong but I think DGB had at least a 50% probability of flipping red, which is considerably higher than random. The other person I am willing to vote is Wake.

[Almost50]

That wasn't "waffling" though. Waffling is when you're not quite sure whether to vote the person or not. DGB clearly realized I was TOWN when it switched to Andres, but it took it quite a weak nudge to revote me. Oh, you're missing context: We (myself, DGB & Math) were involved in a game recently where Math was the Scum of us 3. DGB though managed to misyeet me, and was a witness to Math pushing me in bad faith (I only knew it was bad faith after I was eliminated). If I was in DGB's shoes I'd probably be very wary because: (a) Math's push on me here has no real meat, and (b) I (DGB) have just miss-eliminated A50 recently. Now add that I did play a game with DGB where I was scum most recently and this is definitely NOT how I played there.

Let me ask you this: WHO on MAFIASCUM doesn't know I'm a troll at times? OK, who thinks I would bring that much attention to myself on D1 as Scum? Like, I probably put myself high on any investigative list, let alone a VIG list if one exists. So, unless I'm a Scum PGO (PGO is not NORMAL) or like.. Ascetic (in which case I'd still need to explain why someone didn't get a result on me, let alone that doesn't evade a Vig shot) I don't know why I'd be doing this with THIS players list.

Suffice it to say this is either Scum!DGB or totally blind DGB, and either is a good lim IMHO.

[Almost50]

Hmmm how would you feel about ice cream jail A50? It’s a super special jail in my heart where I stare at your ISO all night

Spoiler:

Like..

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

That wasn't "waffling" though

/disagree

Then

[Almost50]

Andres' activity (or rather lack of it) is NAI.

VOTE: Wake

[Almost50]

Not that I'm scumreading A50, just pointing out an inconsistency in his narrative.

There is no inconsistency. I clearly said the other person I'm willing to vote was Wake, and then I realized mine was the only vote on DGB while Wake had a wagon him, so I moved to the larger wagon of the two.

[Almost50]

Kerset flashwagon anyone?

VOTE: Kerset

This is bad. This is really bad. Hopping off a wagon you've been leading when it starts to gain momentum always is.

[Almost50]

Kerset flashwagon anyone?

VOTE: Kerset

This is bad. This is really bad. Hopping off a wagon you've been leading when it starts to gain momentum always is.

You're one to talk, A50.

You jump on them when they gain momentum, and you said it yourself that you're opportunistic.

Tell me how that isn't bad.

Early D1 wagons never go through. People just mess around with their votes and mainly build wagons to "try" and put some pressure on someone and see how they react. Besides, it ain't "scummy" to hop on wagon on page 5 and explicitly state you haven't caught up yet. It is scummy though to try and fake a reason to hop in a wagon, or to leave one that you have been pushing when it does gain momentum. I can only think of 3 reasons for one to do it, 2 of them are scum indicative and one is not applicable in this case.

A) Initial vote was meant to be distancing and one didn't expect the wagon to actually go through (translation: Both the voter & the votee are scum)
B) The voter/unvoter knows the votee is Town (i.e. the voter is SCUM) and doesn't want to be seen as responsible for the mislim
C) The voter suddenly saw something that confirmed to them that the votee is indeed a Townie.

Now sisnce you weren't that active at the time, I don't see what CSF could have seen as a strong evidence you were Town, so that one I call inapplicable. That leaves us with Scum/Scum or Scum on Town.

HOWEVER, nothing is carved in stone. People make bad moves in this game all the time, so I am just pointing out that this is a move that has the potential to come from scum.. a move that is suspicious IMHO, but not enough to make me go "I caught Scum. Sheep me".

[Almost50]

#PageTop

[Almost50]

and then you take a shot at someone else for jumping off a wagon as it loses momentum.

Read again. I am saying CSF left the wagon when it was GAINING momentum, not losing it.

Also, what do you expect me to do at this time of the day?? Vanity wagon someone so you can feel comfortable with my votes? We need to consolidate with enough time to reevaluate if the wagoned player claims an important PR or something.

[Almost50]

How can you in good faith talk about people leaving wagons when you're the guy jumping on them opportunistically like it's a sport?

Explain that to me please.

I'm doing the exact opposite of what I blame people for doing?!! I thought that was obvious.

[Almost50]

We need to consolidate with enough time to reevaluate if the wagoned player claims an important PR or something.

We could consolidate on House who is refusing to claim his real role.

How so? I mean.. why do you believe his claim to have lied about being a self-targeting FN and not the claim itself? He's obviously telling the truth in one case and lying about the other, but which is which??

[Almost50]

no way is he is a self-targeting FN though.

Why not? I am one, and I am working under the assumption I'm not the only one.

[Almost50]

Oh! I thought 4 was more like it, and I would be surprised if there were 5 or 6 of us.

[Almost50]

Serious talk: What did Wake actually add that's making his wagon dissolve? Because all I saw was he tried to push me and offered Andres as an alternative, but I don't see anything :deep" in his posts. Unless -of course- asking why Titus is Town counts as "deep" in someone else's book.

Put another way: Wake's ISO is exactly the same as Andres; albeit in much more words.

[Almost50]

So we have almost 64 hours left in the day. The 3 vanity voters need to switch their votes

[Almost50]

Kerset, wanna join on Andres?

NO WAY Kerset puts Andres @L-1

[Almost50]

Talk to me, people.

I want Almost50 or Andres and could possibly compromise on Mathblade.

@Math:

Do you still think you learn nothing with a Wake flip?

[Almost50]

good luck getting andre and a50 to post

Seriously?!!!

[Almost50]

Case in point:

I claim Town JoaT: 1x Neighborizer, 1x Jailkeeper, 1x Watcher

It's not true, but chances of counter are crazy slim.

I can confirm this.

That the chances of a CC are infinitesimal; that is.

[Almost50]

Thinks look hard (they’re not) ==> simple
Keep things in perspective ==> jailkeeper

Simple JK is the exact same as a Simple Doctor. The "blocking" part has no bearing since a VT has no night action, so only the protection works.

This is something to ponder on for the designer/reviewer. Why call it a JK when it's effectively a Doctor?

[Almost50]

How many times do I have to say fucking “jail” in my ISO huh?

FTR, I didn't get the "simple" part of your crumb, but I knew you were claiming Jailkeeper when you asked me how I felt about an Ice Cream Jail. I was fine being blocked on N1

because I have a strongman modifier

<<@Wake , but since you claimed I guess you can protect whomever you want without claiming the target

[Almost50]

One of {Mathblade/Me} has to die today.

Math is a scum jailkeeper.

I'm a town roleblocker & Rolecop.

Mod is fucking with us by switching typical roles between town & scum.

I don't even care if you lim me first. When i flip exactly as i say, turbolim Math.

Sheesh, man! This isn't even a valid CC. Mathblade is a SIMPLE DOCTOR. His role is purely a protective one. Yours has NO PROTECTION element in it. You shouldn't have CC'd or even claimed here.

Please vote WAKE

[Almost50]

Town isn't going to have 2 blocker abilities.

And we don't. Math can't block shit. He's just a Simple Doctor.

[Almost50]

Cool then VOTE: House

For emphasis.

If I am miselimmed I prove House scum and the shit posting stops and hopefully someone can vig his ass.

And if I am not and we get House awesome

You two are hard tunneled now you can't see the light. You're BOTH TPRs. TOWN POWER ROLES, and I emphasize on

TOWN

.

At least give Scum the chance to shoot you two. No need to help them out by miss-eliminating either of you. You misplayed it bad, but that's history now. We need not make another mistake based on it too.

[Almost50]

FTR, House is the N1 Mafia NK. Math can't even protect House. So, unless there's a Complex Doctor, a Rolestopper or House himself manages to block the source of the kill; he's toast.

[Almost50]

Wow. You guys really don't know how to slow down when a girl is on vacation.

It's worse than that. It seems to me they don't know how to translate roles into a mechanical actions map. I don't see ANY contradictions between Math's and House's roles. It's like a Fruit Vendor is CCing a Vigilante!!!!

[Almost50]

I feel like mechanically Math and House will sort themselves out. There's no way this is theatre so I'mma big dip on this
VOTE: Wake
Still down for Titus, Ythan, A50, but Wake actually has a wagon. Less down for A50 because of the Watcher softs. Now that we have 2 claims out I think it's good to voice this now rather than waiting until toMorrow which was originally what I'd planned. I think making sure that town!Math and town!House and the scumteam aware of the softs is good now because if all 3 are town it's going to make it difficult for scum to choose correctly.

Didn't anybody teach you that highlighting PR crumbs was bad??

[Almost50]

Technically if a scum goon does the kill and I block them I stop it.

Agreed. Looking at the claimed roles (and other crumbs) though I'd say there are 0-1 Goons in the Mafia team.

[Almost50]

Where’s the town Titus? Rah rah listen to me roar?

This is cooperative and quiet Titus which scares me she’s scum. Cooperative and loud I could see town scum

But like I am so paranoid of her it’s not even funny

Here's a hint: You SR Titus. You also acknowledge that your reads of each other are less than random accurate. Occam's Razor: Titus is the opposite of what you think she is.

[Almost50]

She claimed Jailkeeper - NOT SIMPLE JAILKEEPER - when i hard countered.

I still wouldn't have countered tbh. I would have either RB'd him or Rolecopped him. Your Role is too valuable to out on D1. Maybe on D3 (when you would have probably had only Neighborizer shot left) or D4 (if you indeed intended to use the N1 Neighborizer on Titus). But I get what you are saying. What I don't get is why you're still pushing for a "Scum" Math when it's obvious your roles do not contradict each other (after the full claim)

[Almost50]

VOTE: Kyo

Flash wagon anyone?

No. Vote Wake, and if he flips green blame me.

[Almost50]

What are you talking about?

I think you need to read my posts. You're constantly missing or ignoring important content.

I concede I might have missed something or another. I am reading without my glasses, so whenever the text block is larger than two full lines I mainly skim.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

Gonna go shower and clear my head.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

Interesting unvote.

Worried about being on a green flip?

Even if that was the case, why does town!you care so much of the lim going* through while you're afk? If it flips green, I just die tomorrow anyway. Either way we're limmed is +Town as long as 1 flips scum.

The only reason that unvoting makes sense is if you know that's not going to happen.

Now that we have 2 PR claims outed, I think it's better to find the scum on the wagons and let scum tell us which claim is town.

I think we both are, as both of our roles are limited.

If we're both town, CSF's unvote when he couldn't be at the keyboard to control it in case of turbolim is a scumclaim.

Okie dokie. My bad. I'm sorry.

[Almost50]

Do you think Kyo DGB wake is possible A50?

My solve is DGB + Wake + ??, so theoretically it's possible, but seeing as I TR Kyo I don't think it's very probable. I am looking at Ythan or Kerset for a 3rd scumster, but this is all pre-flip association so I need to flip the ones I am confident of before I go for the third.

[Almost50]

CSF is NOT in MY solve yet. I remember I had her as Town for some reason (can't remember why tbh), so I'll revisit when I have more info.

[Almost50]

@Nero: Why don't you lead by example? House is not getting eliminated today. He's getting shot tonight anyway. Want to help me send Wake to the dead thread?

[Almost50]

Reminder: I have

strong

leads that point to Scum!Wake here. I am not at liberty to expose the source of such leads (think of it as an "intelligence report" from wikiLeaks). I'll take full responsibility (however you want me to) if Wake flips green

So, House should probably put Wake @L-1 (since you're the one who's currently online) and anyone else can state intent and ask for a claim (which I suspect won't even be delivered, but let's do that as a formality).

[Almost50]

I'm not all that sure that Wake is scum. like yeah him not catching up past Sunday is sorta bad but the circumstances seem reasonable.

Man, I hate it when someone forces my hand like this, but.. check this out:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=76062&start=4250

You're in a Mini Normal (this one) and you can't find the time to catch up properly. How can you be eager for the Large Normal you applied to earlier to start AND also IN for the next Mini Normal?

I mean, think about it. Wake is CAUGHT SCUM and he has given up. His teammates can't save him now, so he accepted his fate and is already shopping for another game or two to play in.

[Almost50]

@House: Can you PLEASE state intent now? Give the guy 12.. even 24 hours to claim if you like, but just state intent and ask for a claim. Thank you

[Almost50]

I'm not hammering this.

If it was Dragon, he'd already be dead.

Fine. State intent and don't vote. INTENT is good enough for the time being.

[Almost50]

I want to hammer

State intent.. ask for a claim and give a deadline. Unless -if course- you've become as confident as I in a red flip.

[Almost50]

I think I did a good

Either that

or the person I blocked is scum

or

they are VT. I want to wait and see what happens.

I hope this was bad wording, because I thought you

only

protected VTs. In other words your target was either a VT (in which case you did good indeed) or a Goon. Am I understanding this right?

[Almost50]

hot take

Save for Wake himself his wagon was all town and the remaining scum is in

Ythan
Kerset
DrippingGoofball
Andresvmb
House
Cat Scratch Fever

Cool. I'd say Andres is clear because of how hard Scum pushed him all over D1. (NOT saying EVERYONE who pushed him is Scum).
CSF is also likely Town because of 1456 (DGB pointed that out too).
Kerset "may be" Town for 1784. Depending on House's alignment this could be a stronger read.

That leaves me with House, DGB & Ythan, but I'm willing to listen still.

[Almost50]

I'm really hated mafia lately and I can this is going to be a day that's going to make me hate it even more.

Take a step back and relax. Take a deep breath. Then come back and fight like the lioness you are.

[Almost50]

KILL MATHBLADE TOMORROW out of respect for my green corpse.

Why Math over House (out of respect for you green corpse. that is)?

[Almost50]

The way I figure either House blocked you and you were scum attempting to kill OR I saved the kill.

Math, who did you target? There's no harm in outing a VT at this time, I think.

[Almost50]

Cool hey..lemme pass you about 49 boxes of kleenex. Feel better!

OK.. how did you crumb it BEFORE??

[Almost50]

There's a nonzero chance the the mafia no-killed.

After losing a member on D1?? I very much doubt it.

[Almost50]

A lot of things just don't smell right.

Look at the bright side: You can smell, so you're not infected.

[Almost50]

My solve: Titus/Ythan

Why would Titus vote Wake early and stay the course all the way then?

[Almost50]

They're rather camera shy though. They keep leaping away from the camera.

That's why I prefer mummified animals. They don't move that much.

[Almost50]

For those of you who think DGB is scum, who with?

For those of you who think DGB is town, who is scum?

A) Ythan

B) Ythan & someone else.



Seriously though, maybe we need to all calm down and analyze how D1 went down separately. Maybe everyone should give reasons to why they think X, Y & Z are cleared by now.

The reason I put House back in my PoE is his behaviour around the Wake yeet wagon. Coupled with Wake self-hammering it felt like "maybe" Wake realized House was defending him too hard at that point, taking away all previous anti-associatives. In my mind, it could be that House did approach Wake to help him get into the game, and was expressing genuine disappointment it didn't work out, while Wake was angry to be pushed by hi own partner. Also Wake flipping Rolecop after House had claimed a Rolecop shot is... a bit confusing to say the least?

Overnight I did a quick revision and this is what I put down in my notes:

Nero is Town (484)
Cat is Town (1456)
Kerset is Town (1784)
Math is Town (1820 & 1822)
Kyouko is Town (1977)
Andres is Town (hard pushed by Scum!Wake)
Titus is Town (stood her ground on the Wake wagon)
DotW is “probably” Town (gut read)

The remaining 2 scums are in DGB/House/Ythan

Note: With the exception of SRing Math; Nero's initial reads prove magical as always

Now unless House has suddenly turned into a RADIANTCOWBELL clone I don't think him & DGB are scum partners, so Ythan is now my prime suspect. Looking back at his entrance he was oddly focused on whether my lullaby rhymed. That was a strange thing to be pivoted on after replacing into the game.

[Almost50]

What do you make of House saying he blocked DGB?

I can neither believe nor disbelieve him. I think it's much much more likely you protected me though,

I said I was a "self-targeting FN", meaning I can only be confirmed to myself.. i.e. a VT. You said you'd JK me, and I accepted, even before I got your "Simple" modifier crumb.

The Kyouko somehow found imaginary crumbs for me that I was a Watcher, and I rolled with it. I couldn't have cared less if Scum thought I was a PR and worth their shot.

So, if you did target me you most likely did protect me.

[Almost50]

I had a gut feeling you were faking watcher crumbs.

I wasn't even. Kyouko brought it up, and I rolled with it. I didn't even ask what crumbs because it would have confirmed me as NOT being a Watcher.

@Kyouko: Now is the time to show me my so-called Watcher crumbs. Thank you.

[Almost50]

Okay so we have either an a50 clear or an a50 goon guilty or a dgb guilty is that right?

Okay so we have either an a50 clear or an a50 goon guilty or a dgb guilty is that right?

Yep.

Leaning towards A50 guilty, myself.

Scum team alert

[Almost50]

I should've kept the Watcher gambit going on and claimed House didn't visit DGB. (Will I EVER learn to catch up in full before I post????) *Sigh*

[Almost50]

There's a nonzero chance the the mafia no-killed.

After losing a member on D1?? I very much doubt it.

Why aren’t you instantly voting DGB then?

Because I suspect House more now. His behaviour around Wake's wagon was HORRIBLE. Even when asked to put him @E-1 and wait for a claim he refused to do so. It was pretty weird for someone who claimed to have suspected Wake for a long time of the day.

[Almost50]

I agree DGB is the more likely to be scum. Doing my diligence in case A50 is or both are.

I told.. regardless of your alignment you never understood (and probably never will) how I play this game. I NEVER bus that hard. NEVER. I hate bussing to begin with, but if I had to do it I do it when necessary AND I give my p an out or two.

[Almost50]

With the way he pushed the Wake wagon? I doubt it.

I mean, it's not 100% impossible b/c scum know who each other are and scum bussing their buddies to look better is a thing.

Did I really need to look better?? And why sacrifice Wake instead of having him sacrifice me? I mean, evidently if Math blocked a shot FROM me then I must be a GOON. Come on!

[Almost50]

A lot of things just don't smell right.

Look at the bright side: You can smell, so you're not infected.

Is that 100%? I'll find out soon because I went for the test this morning.

I'm not a doctor, but here it's the very first thing people worry about. If one has their smell and taste senses working they are good.

[Almost50]

I'm hesitant to scumread friends, because I can get pretty unpleasant with my scumreads and I don't want to push friends away over a shit read.

Yeah, it does make games more difficult for me... but I'd rather deal with the difficulty than not play with those few players that can actually tolerate me on a long-term basis.

I can relate to that some. I mean; I sometime don't want to FoS someone because I feel they'd be pissed IRL, or because I haven't played with them for a long time.. etc. I "almost" didn't want to push Wake, but the evidence was too strong to ignore, and when you believe someone is indeed flipping red they can't really blame you for playing the game.

In short, I suspect you, but I am not exactly fixated on you.

Now here comes my problem: I have to choose between you, DGB & Ytham (according to my own reads). I have to try and be right here because I am sick of myself being spot on at one point and being far off at the next. I want to be right all the way for once.

[Almost50]

Why the weird iguana talk with Titus?

Is there a new rule against social talk in a game thread? You see a friend talk about something in their life and you respond to it. That's normal in my book.

Also, why haven't you asked Ythan the same question? He wanted to see them iguana's. Why is my talking about them any different?

[Almost50]

I said I was a "self-targeting FN"

You copied that claim from me, btw.

I did. It was a hilarious VT crumb (better than my usual "Very Transparent" one, and much more subtle too).

[Almost50]

Permission to Garcia?

In English, please?

[Almost50]

Gimme your vote, then.

Be a man of conviction.

Why the rush? I believe CSF, Kerset, Andres, Kyouko & DotW haven't posted today yet even, so why would I want to commit to a push when HALF THE PLAYERS haven't chimed in?

[Almost50]

Why doesn’t scum house just say “Yeah DGB is scum” full stop then just look back at you tomorrow?

I'm not him, so I dunno

[Almost50]

VOTE: DGB

Calling Math & I scum together after that d1?

It's not even pretending to solve.

So you believe calling you and Math scum after D1 is worse than calling me Wake's partner after the same bloody D1??? I didn't know you smoke that shit!

[Almost50]

Why isn't Kyo in your list?

Kyouko is Town (1977)

[Almost50]

Permission to Garcia?

In English, please?

I am asking to answer the question unless you have a reason you want Kyo to answer

No problem. ANYONE show me my Watcher crumbs.

[Almost50]

Gimme your vote, then.

Be a man of conviction.

Why the rush? I believe CSF, Kerset, Andres, Kyouko & DotW haven't posted today yet even, so why would I want to commit to a push when HALF THE PLAYERS haven't chimed in?

Their content won't change the color of my role pm.

They might! What if one of them claims they were COP and got a red check? Or a Tracker who tracked Not-Math to me? Or a Watcher who saw Math & someone else visit me? Or... you know what I mean

[Almost50]

no way is he is a self-targeting FN though.

Why not? I am one, and I am working under the assumption I'm not the only one.

naw I cc. doubt there are 3 of us

Oh! I thought 4 was more like it, and I would be surprised if there were 5 or 6 of us.

Another proof I was always claiming VT

[Almost50]

All images of watches

ROFLMGO!

Read the BRANDS!

DtoW said I was acting "Jovial" so I said "Just because a CITIZEN was acting JOVIAL doesn't mean they're SEIKO (Psycho)". That's yet another VT crumb. CITIZEN!

[Almost50]

Good! 4 more people to go. Now @Kerset" Could you please read today's posts and give me an estimation of where the scum are? I won't ask for a precise method. You do you. I just want the final analysis. Thank you

[Almost50]

I have a pet theory of my own now, but let's wait for the last 2 players (CSF/Kyouko) to chime in and see what they got to say

[Almost50]

Ok Stephen Hawking, why does Math block DGB's shot?

I call this a slip.

VOTE: House

[Almost50]

A50, can we pick a scum to camp on while town bickers like last time?

I have way too many theories going through my mind right now I can't decide who

is

scum. Truth be told, when I try to recite my TRs from memory (i.e. when I'm thinking of the game while offline) I only have you, Nero & Andres on my mind. When I come back and look at the players list (but still no reasoning or details) I also remember Kyouko & DotW. Everyone lese has some good and some bad, and any of them could be scum. This means I have 6 clears (including myself) and 6 in the pool. Not enough for an auto win. I need at least one more clear (preferably 2, but 1 will do), and it doesn't help that neither CSF nor Kyouko are talking.

[Almost50]

Kerset opened this day obvtown with horrible reads.

If you are willing to bet the game on Town!Kerset we have enough lims to auto win. I want HOUSE sorted tbh. Something tells me yesterday went wrong between him and Wake. Like, in my dream.. Wake was having trouble getting into the game. House tried to help him out in a way Wake didn't exactly enjoy. They clashed for real, although they are on the same team. Then HOUSE ALSO fake claimed in a bad way (picking Rolecop from Wake's role). By the time House eased up in Wake he had already given up. House's behaviour around Wake's final wagon was too bad to come from Town, let alone one who suspected Wake. Even when I asked him to state intent he BOLDED his intention NOT to hammer Wake, which is also very weird. It's as if he was telling Wake to come back and that he will stop bussing him.

Today I don't actually believe House blocked DGB to begin with. It doesn't make sense to me that he (a) used the Roleblock, and (b) picked DGB of all to use it on.

Now could this all be a series of bad coincidences? It could. Is it likely? Not really. And besides, a House red flip should clear DGB, while a green flip may give YOU a chance to solve the game via VCA.

P-edit: On contrary. You used the one utility shot that could have made me think your role is still worthwhile. Roleblock (in the hands of Town) is more valuable towards the end of the game when options are limited and is more likely to succeed in preventing a kill. Right now I don't think your Rolecop or you Neighbourizer shots are of great value to Town (assuming you are Town, which I very much doubt). Your flip clears DGB, or cements it in the PoE. We need that info to be mod-confirmed. It could also clear Mathblade and stuff.. so like .. in my mind you're the best elimination option.

Another option for Town is a massclaim. So far it's me, DGB & Nero confirmed to have no night action (by claim, that is). I am not usually a big fan of early massclaims, but this one looks like a good idea for obvious reasons.

[Almost50]

I'll have the CSF or the Kyouko.

I'll settle for the Andresvmb or Ythan.

I don't remember why I TR'd CSF (I did mention the reason, but I can't remember it without going back to my notes). Her absence today "could" mean she is demotivated Scum (I wouldn't blame her after losing a PR on D1 and failing to kill on N1).

Kyouko on the other hand I do remember, and I still think that post clears her. If she was Scum she knew Wake was also Scum, so her post literally translated into "If we mislim A50 you shoot Wake".

Andres was pushed way too hard by Wake that he is practically clear. Ythan is a big question mark to me.

So, I guess I'm saying neither Kyouko nor Andres are acceptable lims in my book. Ythan and CSF may be. Now let me go check why I cleared CSF and get back to you

[Almost50]

OK.. CSF is semi-clear for voting Wake over DotW. I can live with that for today.

[Almost50]

@Math: Why is Ythan clear to you? And what do you think about my moon!logic of House/Wake?

[Almost50]

What if the remaining scum is just House and CSF?

That's a valid proposition, and you definitely should include this game in your resume if it's so. Why did you have CSF so high in your initial readlist though?

[Almost50]

What if the remaining scum is just House and CSF?

The game would have to be declared as bastard.

How so?

[Almost50]

Or say that I'm a nurse facing 10 consecutive 12-hr night shifts to ward off suspicions, and shame on me for falling for that, but that's another story.

I can confirm Wake is a nurse, and that he often works double shifts. I suspect he told the truth but not the whole of it. i.e. he used it to justify his lack of content, but wasn't lying about it being the case

[Almost50]

You were around when I was here last and knew damned well that I didn't do the dumb shit as scum you're accusing me of, A50.

Mate, I can't remember what I ate for lunch. Are you kidding me? Am I supposed to remember how you played from 2 or 3 years ago??

And besides, that ain't that bad play either. It just didn't rhyme with Wake's thoughts.

OK.. WHY did Wake self-hammer there?? Take a wild guess and support it with some logical arguments.

Also WHY did you BOLD "I fully do not intend to vote you"?? Why even where you so stubborn against Wake's lim??

[Almost50]

That doesn't explain the self-hammer though. It's evident he was frustrated with his partners, or that he wanted to cut short discussions. Which is it do you think? And why?

[Almost50]

GUESS! You know Wake better than I.

[Almost50]

1784 is hardly clearing, but whatevs.

Why would Kerset be excited about Wake being wagoned?

[Almost50]

Keep on reading

[Almost50]

OK... so... if I buy House & Math are both Town I think my preferred lim would be Ythan

VOTE: Ythan

Sheep me at will

[Almost50]

I don't know if Ythan did, but I also don't see the difference that makes. There's still another red PM out there.

[Almost50]

I hope there's more to the case than circumstantial implications such as associatives

There is. My arse goes read everytime I read Ythan's posts. THAT is alarming, isn't it??

[Almost50]

@House: The thing is

if scum believed I was a Watcher

they could not have tried to shoot you, because I kept asserting you were the N1 kill all through D1. If they thought I was a Watcher they probably also thought I'd be on you specifically.

[Almost50]

Ythan is one of the few slots nobody can actually clear, so one that can't be included in any "town!bloc". He was also (and still is) disengaged so could have easily believed I was a Watcher and didn't try to dig deeper. Unless we kill BOTH remaining Scum first I'd always be sus of Ythan tbh, and probably over anyone else.

[Almost50]

Meanwhile; Ythan is the quietest player on D2. Can someone tell me what Ythan did that looked town to you? Would be helpful if you quoted them posts you think look townie to you. Thanks

[Almost50]

What about the replace out was townie to you?

[Almost50]

What about the replace out was townie to you?

Knowing Gamma and who Gamma is.

I don’t see Gamma doing that as scum.

Opening up like that right before just ragequitting.

That implies a genuine emotion without strategy.

Why can't Gamma get genuinely upset as Scum?

[Almost50]

It’s the without strategy that’s key.

Why can't ANYONE get so upset AS SCUM they replace out WITHOUT STRATEGY? I did it once. I was so upset I thought if I stayed in the game I'd get myself banned for saying really nasty stuff. Why couldn't Scum!Gamma have felt that playing this game isn't going to affect his mind/spirit in a good way and decided to replace out rather than stay and risk a worse consequence IRL (or -at the very least- on a global scale on the site)??

[Almost50]

If I'm scum, why do I admit to having an investigative role instead of claiming something else that gives town 0 info?

Because you expected to miselim me then call it a “gambit” later if I flipped green.

That's a BAD slip in my book too. The question House proposed assumes he was Scum (informed) to begin with, so the "if" in your answer doesn't make sense AT ALL. Either he KNOWS you're flipping green (because he's scum) or he doesn't (thus will call it a gambit IF you flipped green).

Also, I don't know where you get the confidence I can't be killed under your watch. Strongman isn't exactly a "new" modifier, and the fad is to give the scum team a 1-shot of it (either factional or by assigning one player to be a 1-shot strongman). Nero was a "Strongman Finder" in a recent game where my team had a "1-shot Strongman" Role.

[Almost50]

I would looooove to trade gossip.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Someone have a recipe with few appliances/ingredients to share? Newbie cook with small apartment.

https://amiraspantry.com/mulukhia-aka-jews-mallow/

P.S. I prefer the traditional way. It's fast enough to cook (takes me 15-20 minutes). Also I prefer fresh green mulukhia, but doubt you can find it in the states. I sometimes would even skip the coriander & garlic completely, so just boiling broth and adding mulukhia and give it ONE boil (no more). It can be eaten with rice or bread. I love to have green salad (tomatoes + cucumber + chopped lettuce and/or rocca + chopped onions (optional) + salt + a touch of vinegar). If not then pickled cucumber or jalapeño pepper would be nice too.

[Almost50]

Hey why two rolecops? Scum slip?

Kerset my dear.. not reading the game is not cool, and not caring to double check info before you post is even more frustrating. Wake flipped combined Rolecop Voyeur. House claims 1-shot Rolecop. Thus.. TWO Rolecops.

Now because I know you're not that bad I can't subvert my suspicion that this "could" be your way of faking having missed Wake's flip, so you can't be scum with him. If that was a legitimate brain fart O am sorry, but you no longer have any town lean from me. You're back to null at best.

[Almost50]

Cat Scratch Fever >> Unlikely scum due to VCA. Easy miselim bait.

Explain this one to me, please. I've been trying to work on my own VCA and I didn't get CSF cleared by that, so walk me through your VCA mkes her clear to you.

Note: Not saying CSF is a prime suspect to me. Just not cleared by my VCA alone. There are other pointers to her being Town though.

P-edit: Titus asking the same question is HILARIOUS!

[Almost50]

@Math: Are you kidding me?? I precisely highlighted this on D1:

Kerset flashwagon anyone?

VOTE: Kerset

This is bad. This is really bad. Hopping off a wagon you've been leading when it starts to gain momentum always is.

[Almost50]

I see zero reason for CSF to move from DoTW to Wake if scum.

I do, and if you keep making bad arguments like this I am going to ignore your posts in the future.

It's a documented fact that Scum tend to hop off wagons on TOWN when it looks like they're going to go through. If TOWN!DotW flipped there'd have been lots of questions. Investigatives would have targeted ON the wagon. Jailer/RB would have to. If there was a VIG in the game they'd probably shoot in that pool too. COME ON!

[Almost50]

CSF was absent but when the Wake wagon took off, they start wagon shopping. VCA is actually bad for CSF and I'd go back if A50 was willing.

On one condition: If CSF flips green then you help me shoot both Kerset & Ythan to the moon. I am almost sure one of CSF/Kerset is Scum and

I am leaning it's Kerset

. I also have a strong feeling Ythan is Scum here. YOU are blocking the wagon on Kerset and Math is blocking the one on Ythan, so between the two of you TOWN has decided to mislim today.

[Almost50]

@TitusL I am NOT arguing against a Kerset wagon. In fact I favour it over one on CSF. HOWEVER, I am arguing against a TR on CSF based on VCA. CSF looks BAD on VCA.

[Almost50]

I'd do Ythan, not Kerset.

I am already voting Ythan if that makes any difference.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

1456 isn't as good a reason to clear CSF as I thought anyway.

But you two remember this:: THE THIRD BLOODY SCUM IS BETWEEN KERSET & YTHAN. PERIOD. There's also a none-zero chance CSF flips green in which case the solve is Kerset AND Ythan.

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So, do we want to execute the "backup" Vig? My mind is going places now, but until I can sort it all out..

UNVOTE:

P-edit: Why Even Night or N2 over -say- Novice, Simple/Complex, 1-shot.. or whatever else??

[Almost50]

I mean, I can agree the claim is somewhat suspicious, but I need to think about it some more

[Almost50]

1-shot should have been used last night, so out.

Simple/complex would have been mentioned for extra credibility, so out.

I never heard of "novice."

If there was a vig there would have been a shot already. So backup, that's out, too.

I utterly and completely disagree on principle. This isn't about CSF per se, but -in general- a Town Vig should NOT have shot on N1 by any means, even if they had the ability to.

[Almost50]

I do not think a rolecop (which would confirm the vig claims), two other investigatives (which have hinted at their roles), and two vigs are all town.

Man, I must be blind, because I haven't noticed ANY crumbs in this game at all (except the one done by Math on D1 that is, and even that I didn't get the simple part of before it was explicitly claimed).

WAIT! I this why I had a good read on Wake? Perhaps I should do a self-check sometime soon. It looks to me that when I don't notice crumbs I am more likely to notice other things in the game,

[Almost50]

If they shoot CSF, they shoot a slot that's easily miseliminated

We still should be eliminating CSF though.

[Almost50]

You're letting an alleged backup for a role that doesn't exist is as bad as me buying a vig enabler.

The purpose would be to prevent "Simple" JK from protecting them

[Almost50]

House, Titus, DGB? Am I way off base here A50?

I don't get the question

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A50, do we go Ythan or andres today since I think DotW is out of your lim pool.

Andres is also out of my lim pool. Ythan on the other hand is my preferred lim and I have been saying this all day.

VOTE: Ythan

[Almost50]

In b4 that's who crumbed Vig.

[Almost50]

I am asking if they are a viable scum team of remaining people.

You must be drunk if you think Titus could be scum here.

House + DGB would be next level theatre + RC level bussing by House

House/DGB can only contain 1 Scum AT MAX, but could very well be both Town

[Almost50]

A50 do you agree if House doesn’t check CSF he is scum?

House can do whatever he wants to do, THEN we judge him. I understand his frustration over being ordered around. I don't like being threatened myself either.

[Almost50]

I don't need to check CSF. The fact he wanted me to tells me he's town. It would be a waste of my role.

I don't care what you do with your role. It's YOUR role. Check whomever you want or even neighbourize whoever you want. We're flipping SCUM today and thus will have only one to worry about tomorrow

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House was scumreading DGB for like two seconds. No theatre. And soon as I claimed I protected someone he stopped pushing DGB without care for the who. Then when I say you he focuses on you instead of the smart elim.

That IN ITSELF is +Town. WHy would Scum!House claim a guilty on Scum!DGB even before you claimed your target? Did he know YOU were going to sabotage his case against his own buddy in advance?

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Yes because I was already claimed and there was no kill.

And he knew I was VT not Watcher?? And he decided to shade me after he used this knowledge to fake a guilty on his p that he knew would be dismissed upon my claiming VT??

I mean, why wouldn't he have claimed having RB'd ANYONE BUT his own p?? If he claimed he blocked -say- Nero, what was the downside?

[Almost50]

What am I at

5 looks like

If this reaction came from Town!Ythan; I am blacklisting this dude for real. You see a wagon forming on you and this is ALL you have to say??

[Almost50]

In what world does scumteam House/DGB Target A50 over Nero?

7d chess, indeed.

Because you thought A50 watcher and saw Nero VT claim pretty simple

The problem then becomes he has to guess who he can safely claim blocked on. If Nero is a gambiting PR he’s dead.

Which is it? Did he see (and believe) Nero's VT claim or did he think Nero was gambiting PR?

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TBH, Math is acting way too scummy today with all his faulty logic and his assertion on being "conf!Town" which ONLY HE believes to be the case. This is now reminding me of his play in The Battle For Calculasia. The only question is WHERE did his kill go, as I don't think he would no kill.

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You block someone no death they should be the elim unless beyond reproach.
A50 is beyond reproach DGB isnt

THIS is what I'm calling faulty logic (combined with the accusation of House being DGB's partner). Let's hypothetically agree your proposition above is true (it isn't, but I'll take it for the sake of argument). This means House made was BUSSING DGB. He did something that "should have" resulted in DGB's lim. Then you go back and argue he "knew" it wouldn't go through? How would he know that if "the right play" was to lim DGB still? Unless he assumed "all players are bad and won't make the correct play" which would still be a very strange assumption on his part.

Stop skewing everything to support your narrative. House either knew I was VT (last night) or he didn't. He either shot me or he didn't. If he did he knew you saved me before anyone said anything today, so he could have easily claimed having rolecopped YOU. He could've claimed he rolecopped me. He could've claimed he rolecopped DGB and returned Neighbour. He could've claimed having NEIGHBOURIZED DGB. He certainly didn't need to fake a guilty on DGB knowing exactly where the NK went.

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If Math is scum, I'd put good money on Math being an eligible partner due to his claim dovetailing with a backup vig

My comprehension is failing me. Math is a partner of himself?

[Almost50]

It would have to be DGB.

Yet MATH is pushing the hardest to lim DGB. They're not partners either.

[Almost50]

He could no kill.

Not again.

[Almost50]

Why not just get a claim out of Ythan?

One major reason is that you didn't put him @L-1

[Almost50]

That's word, we pray (pray, pray)
We got to pray
Just to make it today