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[Kerset]

I am ginger Kyouko

[Kerset]

No, i am just cooler you

[Kerset]

Its time to kill CSF

[Kerset]

cat is so evil

[Kerset]

leave poor DBG alone you cruel animal, so many things happened

[Kerset]

Well, I suggest you focus on nero if I'm your only alternative to him.

Well I suggest you stop pushing the goofy player then.

Oh yeah?

*puts finger on your shoulder and pushes*

Now what?

I am either masons or neighbors with Dripping

Goof

ball

So back the fuck off

What did I do to "piss you off"?

Don't really understand why you didn't want to advertise that you were scumreading me.

Outed my fucking PR crumb

I don't like this. Normal crumb has only one value, which is keeping this hidden. I don't feel that MB valuated crumb fakeornot like it should be in normal mindset.

[Kerset]

i didn't read nero or house posts, there are too many of them

[Kerset]

just did

[Kerset]

you are good boy gamma

[Kerset]

you are good boy gamma

okay that’s a start
how do you plan to read House+Nero?

Game will slow down eventually

[Kerset]

I just looked at his past games, and I don't think they've played together.

He did do something similar in Team Mafia 2020, which is why it pinged me.

Yes I was suspicious, I liked the idea that the scum would waste a kill on us thinking we're masons, or be cornered that scum!MB is claiming mason and now they can't kill him, and if they kill me the jig is up.

I still think the gambit was outed too early to get any value out of it but whatever. I think this is more interesting.

VOTE: Kerset

We played Greatest Idea and PYP together.

[Kerset]

DGB, do you have history with Kerset? Games played in together, etc.

Not that I recall. But I play a lot of games and it's all a blur.

I add that I feel better about MB's recent posts.

And with you i had that crap large normal with double traitors

No one remembers me :C

[Kerset]

Math I am not voting with you. You keep basing your ideas on Nero being wrong rather then scummy.

[Kerset]

It might be questioninable but he made discussion moving, it wasn't evil

[Kerset]

Why are you avoiding engaging the person who's actively shading you whose ISO you refuse to read?

VOTE: Kerset

You mean yourself?

[Kerset]

I insulted house ego and now i will die for it, so scary

[Kerset]

A few things. This is like the third game in a row where you have used "tone" to scumread me with and I've been scum in none of them. 2nd, the person who has played with me the most has been Titus.

What do you find more relatable tone based read or post quantity read?

[Kerset]

Kerset, why do you think DGB is town? Why am I scum pushing DGB?

Why would you be pushing DGB? There is no natural reason, just an excuse of claim thing.

[Kerset]

(check my most recent games as either alignment. I hardly vote at all on D1)

That is interesting clue. A50 has this state of mind where he wonders how does his town play look like, what is his AI behavior. He wasn't even really accused.

[Kerset]

wtf did mafia player just admit about being wrong in analyst?

[Kerset]

People don't just say 'sorry i read you incorrectly'. Where is your honor, ego, pride.

[Kerset]

but you still haven't get out of V/LA

[Kerset]

we could hug you

[Kerset]

Ooh hey it’s an actual reason! Something quantifiable!

VOTE: Unvote

This seems like a weird reason to drop the tunnel

agree. Also, Math was scumreading A50 earlier (he's even voting him now) so its a bit wonky that he's

LISTENING

to his scum read.

hey you agreed on post quantity read supremacy

[Kerset]

I don’t agree with it enough to drop my scumread of you but I do think if A50 is scum it’s TMI.

wait, so this unvote wasn't a joke?

[Kerset]

The only confident read I have so far is this is Town!Nero. Nero posted a total of 263 posts on LN 234 (including post-game) where he was Scum. In comparison, he posted 569 in LN 235 (where he was Town). There are other indicators/factors that lead me to believe he is Town here. but this is the most glaring tell of them. Now the question is whether that readlist he posted was his initial impressions or the "tampered with" version.

Ooh hey it’s an actual reason! Something quantifiable!

VOTE: Unvote

but A50 argument convinced you to unvote or maybe you intended to unvote anyway and just did it there

[Kerset]

and now we never hug him

[Kerset]

go fuck yourself nero. I'm DONE with you.

feels kinda fake.

I mean, in fairness I just think Gamma is scum and guy is throwing a hissy fit and is rage quitting :/

No, you were just toxic to him. There wasn't even plurality pressure

[Kerset]

DGB you could have been cute but you choose a dark side

[Kerset]

Dragon has just activity issues, no major reason to hunt.

[Kerset]

On other hand you got Cat, who has decent activity and doesn't care about anything that is going on. All that cat cares about is my SR.

[Kerset]

VOTE: CSF

[Kerset]

Crap ythan got more posts then me

[Kerset]

Nero how does regular wake-house relation look like?

[Kerset]

OMG I GOT PAGETOP

[Kerset]

Nero how does regular wake-house relation look like?

Why are you asking me?

I've played with each like once and it was YEARS ago.

you are loud, seems to know house and fits the archetype of person, who plays a lot to know this kind of stuff

[Kerset]

My generic take would be that wake and house staged an argue but those two players got a bond. It's hard to expect them to act in generic way to towards each other. Idk why do you expect that.

[Kerset]

As i said they act strange bc of friendship not alignment

[Kerset]

I FoS Nero.

VOTE: Nero

It's HILARIOUS that this is the opening post of the thread.

Titus which ISO is better: A50 or DotW?

[Kerset]

Quote unrelated

[Kerset]

real?

[Kerset]

soo Goof how do you feel about Math so far?

[Kerset]

The case is vote in 1219

[Kerset]

soo Goof how do you feel about Math so far?

[Kerset]

What do you guys think of House "scum reading" DOTW but leaving to vanity vote me?

you two really suit each other

[Kerset]

Come back to the dragon wagon.

I'm not opposed to quickhammering it.

I'm tired of not voting the toxic dude, though.

hey I'm in

That's quite opurtinistic

[Kerset]

soo Goof how do you feel about Math so far?

[Kerset]

VOTE: DotW

Distancing

Again, nothing of substance here

Distancing means that you are both scum

[Kerset]

In case you flip red do you want us to kill A50 next?

[Kerset]

So why are people still going for dragon? No revisions are being done after wallposts? I don't see good faith in math and house.

[Kerset]

soo Goof how do you feel about Math so far?

[Kerset]

V/LA until midnight tonight. (Nocturnal RN working ten 12-hour shifts in a row. After 0000 med pass I can hopefully get some time in.)

VOTE: Wake

Upon review, I think I prefer this to DotW. DotW actually gave reads in his catch up, while Wake posts a whole lot of nothing.

Huh

[Kerset]

waiting on a tire change :/

NO WAY same

And that proves once and for all that Ythan & Kyouko are identical twins.

I am the kyouko twin!

[Kerset]

I would say that i had higher opinion of Titus. Here she feels more like newb.

[Kerset]

I am not “officially” a Miller in role name but so damn close enough I figured it would come out.

So c’mon Titus whatcha counterclaiming?

Get it right and I Unvote.

If not meet the death tunnel and Kyo is probably lock town.

What's going on???

[Kerset]

You didn't prove this mathematically, so it's not valid

[Kerset]

The problem is that Math and A50 act irrationally but one seems to be serious.

[Kerset]

If you are fruit ventor then i want a banana

[Kerset]

Vote Count 1.22

Dragon of the West (3)

- Titus, Almost50, House

Titus (2)

- ssbm_Kyouko, DrippingGoofball

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Ythan (1)

- Andresvmb

Almost50 (1)

- Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

Wake88 (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (1)

: MathBlade

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

House and Titus are VLA through the 20th of September. Wake is VLA through Sunday.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

This wagon is bad people. I have been on V/LA and House and Titus have been and no consolidation is happening…

Do something people.

Will be afk tomorrow too.

Vote Cat

[Kerset]

VOTE: Andresvmb

Just because I don’t play on command (and I’ve been busy IRL - sorry), doesn’t make me Scum. You should know this by now.

Wow Andre came back right after being voted, not lurking at all.

[Kerset]

I will catch up - I got distracted while reading and I’ve had stuff come up.

Also it's fun how page 65 distracted you, while you were catching up past pages (unless you read backwards)

[Kerset]

I smell a wagon formed out of disagreement rather then reason.

[Kerset]

I'm not convinced on a House elim, but I am open to an Almost50 or Andre one currently.

Me too

[Kerset]

soo Goof how do you feel about Math so far?

[Kerset]

Dwlee gives so many VC that they beat Andre in post count

[Kerset]

I got prodded! This what I get for assuming -the normal- 48 hours before a prod. Will I learn from it and actually care to read the "Basic Rules" in any given game? HELL, NO! I'm probably going to forget it's 36 hours in this here game by the time I'm caught up!

36h gains popularity recently

[Kerset]

House what do you think about iPhone 13?

[Kerset]

a wild neko has appeared

[Kerset]

VOTE: andre

[Kerset]

Top wagons are house & wake XDDDD

[Kerset]

When i vote CSF, no one cares. When CSF votes me then everyone speaks up.

[Kerset]

Are you still focused on an Andre lynch or no?

Yea

[Kerset]

omfg now i need to read all of house drama posts

[Kerset]

Case in point:

I claim Town JoaT: 1x Neighborizer, 1x Jailkeeper, 1x Watcher

It's not true, but chances of counter are crazy slim.

so first this fakeclaim,
the actual one had Rolecop instead of Watcher

[Kerset]

Well, I suggest you focus on nero if I'm your only alternative to him.

Well I suggest you stop pushing the goofy player then.

Oh yeah?

*puts finger on your shoulder and pushes*

Now what?

I am either masons or neighbors with Dripping

Goof

ball

So back the fuck off

so you are simple jk, who decided to act like mason? The entire point of your role is to protect VT (so you can't protect Goof) and you are trying to drag a kill????????

[Kerset]

This story is bs, which MB make up as he goes.

[Kerset]

Especially that it wasn't even DGB, who started the claim

One of the first things that were posted in the neighbor PT was MB explaining how he was going to crumb.

To which I answered, why crumb at all, we're not masons. And curiously MB said that if I'm town,

it's like we're masons

. It took me aback, because no, FMPOV we're totally not masons, not even close.

Then MB was concerned about, er, what's that role that checks if you have a PT? He worried that such a role would get a false positive if we were investigated.

Then a real lot of the thread was MB working me to scum read Nero, starting with Nero highlighting MB's "PR crumb" in the thread. I'm not very good at reading Nero, so I said I wasn't going to do this on Day 1. MB's crumb wasn't exactly subtle for the type of player that looks for crumbs (unlike me, i never see crumbs). It felt like an opportunistic trap a little bit, Nero had fallen into and MB was going for the kill.

At that point I was noticing MB premature-claiming in the thread and that's when I proposed a gambit, since it seemed like the whole neighbor bit was already blowing up in my face through no fault of mine.

In other word I think MB is scum.

[Kerset]

VOTE: MathBlade

[Kerset]

It’s just fake because of the hundreds of times House could have pressured me for Milleresque role and how many times I used jail must have been a record for me.

I crumbed my exact role many times.

While you are here, so why did you even claim miller-like? Why did you do this in first place?

[Kerset]

It’s just fake because of the hundreds of times House could have pressured me for Milleresque role and how many times I used jail must have been a record for me.

I crumbed my exact role many times.

While you are here, so why did you even claim miller-like? Why did you do this in first place?

Because unprovable JK with a PT is pretty damn close to miller.
I can’t save any PR claims
I can only stop other PRs (like Neighborizer) from working
Or maaaaybe if a goon kills I can stop it.

I am a very antitown PR with a PT.
I debated outright claiming but did the crumb instead

I mean why didn't you keep it completely hidden?

[Kerset]

Wait a minute, I'm confused. If Math is a simple jk, how does he stop PRs from working?

Neighborizer hits VT.
I block VT.
Neighborize doesn’t work.

Replace Neighborizer with cop, watcher, fruit vendor, or whatever suits your fancy

It does work... it wouldn't work in case of alien

[Kerset]

TOWN
DGB
House
A50
Kyouko
Andres

NULL
MathBlade >>> I wrote that in the neighborhood PT because I didn't want MB to NK me if he thought I scumread him.
Dragon of the West

SCUM
Nero Cain? Maybe
Gamma/Ythan - ???? under the radar?
Cat Scratch - My best bet right now.

wow i am not relevant enough to be included

[Kerset]

Spoiler: House stepclaiming

One of {Mathblade/Me} has to die today.

Math is a scum jailkeeper.

I'm a town roleblocker & Rolecop.

Mod is fucking with us by switching typical roles between town & scum.

I don't even care if you lim me first. When i flip exactly as i say, turbolim Math.

Did you crumb House?

I refused to claim, because saying I'm a roleblocker & Rolecop at e-1 would just result in a hammer anyway.

There is no incentive to actually CLAIM this role as town

My 3rd shot?

1x Neighborizer.

I was going to use it on Titus tonight because we know how to find each other.

DGB is prob town because of Math.

Wow. You guys really don't know how to slow down when a girl is on vacation.

It's worse than that. It seems to me they don't know how to translate roles into a mechanical actions map. I don't see ANY contradictions between Math's and House's roles. It's like a Fruit Vendor is CCing a Vigilante!!!!

You're running your mouth with the benefit of having the full claim.

He claimed Jailkeeper - NOT SIMPLE JAILKEEPER - when i hard countered.

Fix't.

That's what I get for posting while getting set to drive.

Sorry.

I claimed simple and have crumbed simple throughout.

If I forgot the word simple it’s an oversight but I don’t think I have.

Okay.

Well, Simple, Complex, and Lazy are modifiers that were added after I was banned.

I knew what my modifiers were due to my role pm, but didn't really identify Simple as one until it was said a few times.

VOTE: DGB

That's who I roleblocked.

I have to give credit to Nero.

He convinced me the hood was dirty. I just wasn't going to talk about it in the game thread.

House, why didn't we have a party? You said you wanted to get a shiny neighborhood with me.

Since I was outed, I figured I'd likely be the n1 kill so I targeted DGB in an effort to survive.

Wait, what's your claim? It's not roleblocker?

JoaT

Neighborizer
Complex Roleblocker
Lazy Rolecop

[Kerset]

Kerset did you stop the NK

no

[Kerset]

Kill skip only would make any sense, if scum claim DOC/JK/RB and town something else. Here we had JK vs RB.

[Kerset]

Good! 4 more people to go. Now @Kerset" Could you please read today's posts and give me an estimation of where the scum are? I won't ask for a precise method. You do you. I just want the final analysis. Thank you

I have weird theory that MB+DBG are scum, who miscommunicated and claimed neighborhood, which doesn't exist. This is why DBG is so mad and gave up on trying.

[Kerset]

@House why didn't you use rolecop on Math? Complex rb had insanely low chance to success.

[Kerset]

Oh, something I wanted to follow-up on:
@Math - how in any way is your role claim of Simple Jailkeeper milleresque? I don't see it at all

viewtopic.php?p=13009413#p13009413

[Kerset]

3 more votes till a house fakeclaim

I'll give it to you now.

I'm a Compulsive Self-targeting Friendly Neighbor.

Spoiler: House stepclaiming

One of {Mathblade/Me} has to die today.

Math is a scum jailkeeper.

I'm a town roleblocker & Rolecop.

Mod is fucking with us by switching typical roles between town & scum.

I don't even care if you lim me first. When i flip exactly as i say, turbolim Math.

Did you crumb House?

I refused to claim, because saying I'm a roleblocker & Rolecop at e-1 would just result in a hammer anyway.

There is no incentive to actually CLAIM this role as town

My 3rd shot?

1x Neighborizer.

I was going to use it on Titus tonight because we know how to find each other.

DGB is prob town because of Math.

Wow. You guys really don't know how to slow down when a girl is on vacation.

It's worse than that. It seems to me they don't know how to translate roles into a mechanical actions map. I don't see ANY contradictions between Math's and House's roles. It's like a Fruit Vendor is CCing a Vigilante!!!!

You're running your mouth with the benefit of having the full claim.

He claimed Jailkeeper - NOT SIMPLE JAILKEEPER - when i hard countered.

Fix't.

That's what I get for posting while getting set to drive.

Sorry.

I claimed simple and have crumbed simple throughout.

If I forgot the word simple it’s an oversight but I don’t think I have.

Okay.

Well, Simple, Complex, and Lazy are modifiers that were added after I was banned.

I knew what my modifiers were due to my role pm, but didn't really identify Simple as one until it was said a few times.

VOTE: DGB

That's who I roleblocked.

I have to give credit to Nero.

He convinced me the hood was dirty. I just wasn't going to talk about it in the game thread.

House, why didn't we have a party? You said you wanted to get a shiny neighborhood with me.

Since I was outed, I figured I'd likely be the n1 kill so I targeted DGB in an effort to survive.

Wait, what's your claim? It's not roleblocker?

JoaT

Neighborizer
Complex Roleblocker
Lazy Rolecop

do you love to claim in parts?

[Kerset]

3 more votes till a house fakeclaim

I'll give it to you now.

I'm a Compulsive Self-targeting Friendly Neighbor.

One of {Mathblade/Me} has to die today.

Math is a scum jailkeeper.

I'm a town roleblocker & Rolecop.

Mod is fucking with us by switching typical roles between town & scum.

I don't even care if you lim me first. When i flip exactly as i say, turbolim Math.

I thought you said it was something like FN, Mason, etc?

This post bothers me. Scum always keeps good track of claims and yet Wake didn't note

Hint: I don't true claim. If I get limmed, so be it. I'm dead either way, anyhow.

If my elimination goes through, my flip will just give town additional information.

[Kerset]

I feel like mechanically Math and House will sort themselves out. There's no way this is theatre so I'mma big dip on this
VOTE: Wake
Still down for Titus, Ythan, A50, but Wake actually has a wagon. Less down for A50 because of the Watcher softs. Now that we have 2 claims out I think it's good to voice this now rather than waiting until toMorrow which was originally what I'd planned. I think making sure that town!Math and town!House and the scumteam aware of the softs is good now because if all 3 are town it's going to make it difficult for scum to choose correctly.

Didn't anybody teach you that highlighting PR crumbs was bad??

VOTE: Kyo

Flash wagon anyone?

And oh look who is proposing an alternative after Wake becomes the leading wagon?

this also applies

My scumdar is in the crapper I might as well vote for a townread. I don't have to worry about being scumread for it because I'm always scumread.

VOTE: Wake88

VOTE: MathBlade

Now it's 3 vs 3 vs 3

Have fun

[Kerset]

soo Goof how do you feel about Math so far?

[Kerset]

soo Goof how do you feel about Math so far?

I think Kerset is a huge red flag because if I am scum then that necessitates DGB scum and yet Kerset doesn’t vote DGB.

Why would i vote so soon? On day 1 i haven't voted for half day (page 47 of 94) and you didn't complain.

[Kerset]

You’re caught up in that there was no nightkill.
Either House or I stopped it.
If I am scum I don’t stop my own team’s kill.
This means DGB would have to be scum.

In other words if DGB flips town I cannot be scum so your theory of me scum requires DGB scum.

Well my theory literally said that DBG is scum, thank you for nothing

I have weird theory that MB+DBG are scum, who miscommunicated and claimed neighborhood, which doesn't exist. This is why DBG is so mad and gave up on trying.

my question was specifically why do i need to vote <24h after daystart

Why would i vote so soon? On day 1 i haven't voted for half day (page 47 of 94) and you didn't complain.

[Kerset]

ok sure?

My prove #1

VOTE: DGB

That's who I roleblocked.

You are the one, who blocked it not math.

My prove #2

Kill skip only would make any sense, if scum claim DOC/JK/RB and town something else. Here we had JK vs RB.

nokill wouldn't happen with those claims

[Kerset]

So Kerset, where’s your DGB vote huh?

For third time... Why would i need to vote when day haven't even last 24h and guy already got E-3. Are you even listening?

[Kerset]

Sure lets end day after 20h with DGB death, who needs discussions.

[Kerset]

Could someone explain why MB and House started to TR each other? Their claims make no sense to coexist but they keep looking at bystanders to kill.

[Kerset]

so MB is scum but also

I'm not eliminating DGB on what we have toDay.

and

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

You blocked DGB. There is no kill.
I jailkept A50. There is no kill.

DGB is most likely scum here.

And if not we prove a shit ton rather than assume it.
I use assumptions as scum to manipulate games.

I would rather prove things.

Pedit: There’s likely two.

But anywhere else has a much greater shot of hitting town.

Ergo only DGB or Kerset

Nah.

A50 was the likely target because we were the obvious watcher targets.

If you blocked the kill, there's a whole world of scumspects out there.

[Kerset]

Kerset wants me and not DGB.

Now quote where did i say that? Stop this imaginary lies about me

[Kerset]

Similarly Kerset is pushing on me.

WHAT?
I call DGB scum without voting - MB calls out that i haven't voted DGB, so i don't want to elim it
I haven't voted MB - I am pushing MB, so i want to elim MB instead

The amount of BS you trow at me is beyond scale

[Kerset]

Vote Count 2.06

DrippingGoofball (4)

- DrippingGoofball, MathBlade, Cat Scratch Fever, House

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Titus

Ythan (1)

- Almost50

Not voting (5)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain, Andresvmb

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

this was the VC when you called me you, you lie again

[Kerset]

You push me incessantly despite scum me requires DGB.

WHERE DID I PUSH YOU? QUOTES

[Kerset]

here it is

Vote Count 2.06

DrippingGoofball (4)

- DrippingGoofball, MathBlade, Cat Scratch Fever, House

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Titus

Ythan (1)

- Almost50

Not voting (5)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain, Andresvmb

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

VOTE: Kerset

Vote Count 2.07

Cat Scratch Fever (2)

- Titus, DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball (2)

- MathBlade, Cat Scratch Fever

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Ythan (1)

- Almost50

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

MathBlade (1)

- House

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

[Kerset]

QUOTES, you keep saying that i push you instead of DBG so quote me

[Kerset]

Spoiler:

here it is

Vote Count 2.06

DrippingGoofball (4)

- DrippingGoofball, MathBlade, Cat Scratch Fever, House

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Titus

Ythan (1)

- Almost50

Not voting (5)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain, Andresvmb

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

VOTE: Kerset

Vote Count 2.07

Cat Scratch Fever (2)

- Titus, DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball (2)

- MathBlade, Cat Scratch Fever

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Ythan (1)

- Almost50

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

MathBlade (1)

- House

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

?? You’re posting random posts instead of voting DGB because?

You lie that DGB wasn't at E-3 when you attacked me

[Kerset]

QUOTES, you keep saying that i push you instead of DBG so quote me

Any post you say “Math is scum” that doesn’t have a DGB vote or push.

That’s like a majority of your ISO.

Go on quote me

[Kerset]

so MB is scum but also

I'm not eliminating DGB on what we have toDay.

and

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

You blocked DGB. There is no kill.
I jailkept A50. There is no kill.

DGB is most likely scum here.

And if not we prove a shit ton rather than assume it.
I use assumptions as scum to manipulate games.

I would rather prove things.

Pedit: There’s likely two.

But anywhere else has a much greater shot of hitting town.

Ergo only DGB or Kerset

Nah.

A50 was the likely target because we were the obvious watcher targets.

If you blocked the kill, there's a whole world of scumspects out there.

Prime example

Look at the context. I said there HOUSE thinks that you are scum and his posts don't match that.

[Kerset]

Could someone explain why MB and House started to TR each other? Their claims make no sense to coexist but they keep looking at bystanders to kill.

I always vote townreads, yo.

so MB is scum but also

I'm not eliminating DGB on what we have toDay.

and

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

You blocked DGB. There is no kill.
I jailkept A50. There is no kill.

DGB is most likely scum here.

And if not we prove a shit ton rather than assume it.
I use assumptions as scum to manipulate games.

I would rather prove things.

Pedit: There’s likely two.

But anywhere else has a much greater shot of hitting town.

Ergo only DGB or Kerset

Nah.

A50 was the likely target because we were the obvious watcher targets.

If you blocked the kill, there's a whole world of scumspects out there.

you lie again, those posts are next to each other

[Kerset]

The only way I townread you is if you accept logic and facts and either vote DGB or townread me Kerset.

Those are your two choices if you want to be townread.

I don't need it. All i want to is to reveals your lies.

[Kerset]

So Kerset, Andresvmb is indulging MathBlade. Let's eliminate him.

who is he scum with?

[Kerset]

Nah, barely any evidence points at andre. Like what would be scum doing when wake was getting killed

[Kerset]

If it wasn't DGB block then why math picked A50, who could be a watcher? At he time of claim A50 could say that he is TPR and simple would have no effect on him.

[Kerset]

I mean he said that in thread, before A50 claimed VT. If A50 would claim otherwise then this whole plan would fail.

[Kerset]

Math got scared that will be rolecoped, so he is trying to force pointless neighborhood.

[Kerset]

I as scum would have nothing to fear from a House rolecop at all as I specifically crumbed my role in the OP. You’re grasping.

In my first post.

If you want to assume me scum, fine, but then either you assume I am a simple JK or you have to figure out why i crumb a role I don’t have.

Always remember this people. If things look hard just remember you got this! Just take things one step at a time and keep things in perspective

You could pull several roles from crumb like this. Perspective itself suggest vision-based role.

[Kerset]

The most protown move is to rolecop (which tbh should be done on previous night). The fact that house has neighborizing doesn't prove his alignment, scum also may have such.

[Kerset]

Math got scared that will be rolecoped, so he is trying to force pointless neighborhood.

To the contrary, House said he suspected me last night.

If I was scum I would have expected it.

Two rolecops in a setup is sus as fuck.

I don’t believe House’s claim.

Hey why two rolecops? Scum slip?

[Kerset]

I dislike your tone, don't use it to me.

[Kerset]

Thanks for the recipies.

Let's lim Andres.

You keep calling me a lurker - as if you didn’t fall behind in games yourself.

So you think my Partner Wake wanted to get me executed desperately while I was having trouble catching up in the game because?

221 posts vs 44 posts

[Kerset]

nvm it said games not game

[Kerset]

I just think they’re activity around end of day 1 is indicative of possible Scum. I wanted to read the end of D1 carefully (I haven’t had the chance yet) because clearly after the Claims and when Wake is gathering momentum, that’s when you should expect at least 1 Scum to make themselves obvious. Either by not posting, by committing hard to the execution of Wake (a bus, say like what Nero did), or by trying to suggest alternatives. Kerset falls into the last category. And they wanted me dead (just like Wake) - I highlighted the post already.

You are biased, because you were the pushed one.

[Kerset]

I find hard to see CSF flip red with resistance like this. House voted long ago, MB barely hesitated to vote, DGB was there long ago. So cat is scum with Ythan and they just gave up on positing? Nah

[Kerset]

Wake I am guessing here told Kerset to keep pushing me. Because lock town me is bad.
So Kerset keeps trying gotchas.

Kerset flashwagon anyone?

VOTE: Kerset

This is bad. This is really bad. Hopping off a wagon you've been leading when it starts to gain momentum always is.

You're one to talk, A50.

You jump on them when they gain momentum, and you said it yourself that you're opportunistic.

Tell me how that isn't bad.

This chainsaw is sooooo bad from Wake.

Ffs Kerset should be dead

Irony writes itself

[Kerset]

I'm interested to see who you think is scum if Math is town.

House

[Kerset]

4) Disappears when point proven wrong then just tries another angle.

XDDDDDD Says person, who run away when i asked for quotes to backup accusation

Spoiler:

QUOTES, you keep saying that i push you instead of DBG so quote me

QUOTES, you keep saying that i push you instead of DBG so quote me

Any post you say “Math is scum” that doesn’t have a DGB vote or push.

That’s like a majority of your ISO.

QUOTES, you keep saying that i push you instead of DBG so quote me

Any post you say “Math is scum” that doesn’t have a DGB vote or push.

That’s like a majority of your ISO.

Go on quote me

so MB is scum but also

I'm not eliminating DGB on what we have toDay.

and

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

You blocked DGB. There is no kill.
I jailkept A50. There is no kill.

DGB is most likely scum here.

And if not we prove a shit ton rather than assume it.
I use assumptions as scum to manipulate games.

I would rather prove things.

Pedit: There’s likely two.

But anywhere else has a much greater shot of hitting town.

Ergo only DGB or Kerset

Nah.

A50 was the likely target because we were the obvious watcher targets.

If you blocked the kill, there's a whole world of scumspects out there.

Prime example

so MB is scum but also

I'm not eliminating DGB on what we have toDay.

and

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

You blocked DGB. There is no kill.
I jailkept A50. There is no kill.

DGB is most likely scum here.

And if not we prove a shit ton rather than assume it.
I use assumptions as scum to manipulate games.

I would rather prove things.

Pedit: There’s likely two.

But anywhere else has a much greater shot of hitting town.

Ergo only DGB or Kerset

Nah.

A50 was the likely target because we were the obvious watcher targets.

If you blocked the kill, there's a whole world of scumspects out there.

Prime example

Look at the context. I said there HOUSE thinks that you are scum and his posts don't match that.

so MB is scum but also

I'm not eliminating DGB on what we have toDay.

and

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

You blocked DGB. There is no kill.
I jailkept A50. There is no kill.

DGB is most likely scum here.

And if not we prove a shit ton rather than assume it.
I use assumptions as scum to manipulate games.

I would rather prove things.

Pedit: There’s likely two.

But anywhere else has a much greater shot of hitting town.

Ergo only DGB or Kerset

Nah.

A50 was the likely target because we were the obvious watcher targets.

If you blocked the kill, there's a whole world of scumspects out there.

Prime example

Look at the context. I said there HOUSE thinks that you are scum and his posts don't match that.

There’s nothing there that says House thinks I am scum? And even so not now except for his pissed off tantrum.

Could someone explain why MB and House started to TR each other? Their claims make no sense to coexist but they keep looking at bystanders to kill.

I always vote townreads, yo.

so MB is scum but also

I'm not eliminating DGB on what we have toDay.

and

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

You blocked DGB. There is no kill.
I jailkept A50. There is no kill.

DGB is most likely scum here.

And if not we prove a shit ton rather than assume it.
I use assumptions as scum to manipulate games.

I would rather prove things.

Pedit: There’s likely two.

But anywhere else has a much greater shot of hitting town.

Ergo only DGB or Kerset

Nah.

A50 was the likely target because we were the obvious watcher targets.

If you blocked the kill, there's a whole world of scumspects out there.

you lie again, those posts are next to each other

The only way I townread you is if you accept logic and facts and either vote DGB or townread me Kerset.

Those are your two choices if you want to be townread.

House says we aren’t elimming DGB votes CSF.
Then says A50 was the likely save meaning he townreads me Kerset in that post.

The only way I townread you is if you accept logic and facts and either vote DGB or townread me Kerset.

Those are your two choices if you want to be townread.

I don't need it. All i want to is to reveals your lies.

The only way I townread you is if you accept logic and facts and either vote DGB or townread me Kerset.

Those are your two choices if you want to be townread.

I don't need it. All i want to is to reveals your lies.

Haven’t lied all game.

You’re just scum grasping at straws.

I gotta go.

[Kerset]

I'm just going to claim Town [redacted] Backup Vig.

The only way for this to be useful is vig dieing next night and your gate being N3. Its practically named townie now.
It is indeed good for rolecop, as scum can't become vig.

[Kerset]

The vig claim doesn't sit well with me.

I don't like the "redacted" part.

Why no shot last night? The implication is even-night (would that even pass review?) or specifically "night 2." In either case, you just claim "night 2." So what's the point of reacting the gate conditions?

It also opens us up for shenanigans where CSF can claim the scum NK as a vig while we scramble to figure out a scum missing kill.

I think it's a fake claim.

Backup can exist without corresponding role according to normal rules.

[Kerset]

Someone else has crumbed vig which makes the backup claim believable.

Why do you think that CSF haven't also noticed it?

[Kerset]

If math is town then DGB has to be neighbor already. Then TA will always give "can communicate with living players" anyway. I don't get your point green kerset.

[Kerset]

Besides no town player goes “I am going to neighborize the person I thought did the scum kill”.

More proof that you're lying. You know I'm a spiteful ass when I'm pissed off.

Your sister also knows it, and knows that you know it, so idk what you're even trying to accomplish.

CSF gives RC request and you keep quiet but here you get out of lurk in 30min?

[Kerset]

Even if I had any intention of using that role tonight, I damned sure wouldn't announce the target.

This should end all conversation....

[Kerset]

He's buying time and trying to burn House's rolecop.

It is a possibility but only if team is CSF+Math. Only Math can be threat by rolecop.

[Kerset]

He's buying time and trying to burn House's rolecop.

It is a possibility but only if team is CSF+Math. Only Math can be threat by rolecop.

CSF + me requires me no kill which doesn’t happen

Why not? You expected vig kill n1 and even if this didn't happen then you could say that it was thanks to JK.

[Kerset]

What clear? Most of the ppl will just give vanilla.

[Kerset]

House what is your current stance on DGB elim?

[Kerset]

Dragon of the West

Ythan

ssbm_Kyouko

Kerset
Nero Cain
DrippingGoofball

Cat Scratch Fever

House

andresvmb

Almost50
MathBlade
Titus

Bold is should lim
Underline is compromise
Normal is would hammer to secure a lim grudgingly
Strikethrough is hell no

it was very valueable list

[Kerset]

I don't mind Ythan elim. It feels like dayskip but it is an acceptable one.

[Kerset]

I don't mind Ythan elim. It feels like dayskip but it is an acceptable one.

Let's keep town together as much as we can.

LAMIST talk

[Kerset]

VOTE: Ythan

[Kerset]

not voting for entire day would be a funny meme

[Kerset]

House double voted

[Kerset]

Spoiler:

Oh nice morning friends.

Hi Nero.

Math how would your target know you targeted them? Am I misremembering your claim? If not, how can you expect to see anything in their reaction?

Hey, not feeling well guys. Please bear with me. I'm also low activities.

Random note: I just got my shipment of green unicorn iguanas in!

Would be interested in seeing those some time, maybe in the pets thread.

There's a nonzero chance the the mafia no-killed.

Uh huh…clearly. /sarcasm

I highly doubt that considering we got scum yesterday.

Seen it lol. Don't think this is that though.

Hey, not feeling well guys. Please bear with me. I'm also low activities.

Random note: I just got my shipment of green unicorn iguanas in!

Would be interested in seeing those some time, maybe in the pets thread.

Non-game related posts are scum.

My solve: Titus/Ythan

I wanna see them lizards.

You've said you want to prove people wrong with your flip but I don't think I ever expressed any suspicion of you that I remember off the top of my head so this can't be that.

@DGB

Hey, not feeling well guys. Please bear with me. I'm also low activities.

Random note: I just got my shipment of green unicorn iguanas in!

Would be interested in seeing those some time, maybe in the pets thread.

Non-game related posts are scum.

My solve: Titus/Ythan

I wanna see them lizards.

They hate being called lizards.

Oops sorry

Dgb I think you're a delight and have been known to defend you without considering your alignment because I like being in games with you so I'm not gonna vote you without a super good reason.

You've said you want to prove people wrong with your flip but I don't think I ever expressed any suspicion of you that I remember off the top of my head so this can't be that.

@DGB

I don't care, just vote me.

Ask me again tomorrow if you still feel that way, we have plenty of time.

If you can give me a plausible reason why getting eliminated would help you win then maybe but if you're just saying this because you're frustrated I don't really wanna do that. I can't tell the difference right now, sorry. I'll think about it more later.

@DGB

the person I jailkept is a VT/goon.

The player you jailkept might have been the target of the NK, or the performer of the nightkill.

What's with that VT/goon business?

Simple modifier, only effects vanillas.

Simple modifier, only effects vanillas.

I never heard of that as a modifier.

I think it is relatively new. Definitely normal though.

"fails when used against a player who is not vanilla."

so

succeeds only against a player with a PR?

Jailkeeper?

Doesn't that sound like a complete BS made up role?

Kinda but I don't know Dwlee as a mod nor who even does the normal reviews.

Simple modifier, only effects vanillas.

I never heard of that as a modifier.

Why didn’t you ask me then when I claimed it in the hood D1?

I didn't even pick up the word "simple" as a modifier.

Okay now that you've come out and said what I thought you were gonna say, maybe simple isn't a great name for a role modifier. I'm gonna point this out to someone after the game I guess.

Wow page 100 already.

Okay so we have either an a50 clear or an a50 goon guilty or a dgb guilty is that right?

Looking back at his entrance he was oddly focused on whether my lullaby rhymed. That was a strange thing to be pivoted on after replacing into the game.

Oh please walk me through this take in detail.

Hey prodge sorry folks I'll get back into this asap. Busy weekend.

What am I at

5 looks like

Looking forward to discussing it with you postgame.

If you run a summary of Ythan d2 then there is nothing beside mechtalk and fluff

[Kerset]

It will force him to do as town asks which is rolecop CSF.

Titus, me, Nero, DoTW, Kerset I believe all asked for it to be used.

For rolecop I think that i would prefer Math as target. Still, i agree that rolecop>neighborizer.

[Kerset]

I would like to end this day with Math, DGB, CSF or Ythan.

[Kerset]

The more i think about it, i feel that cat is fishy and is better target then Ythan.

[Kerset]

Because CSF seems to desire this check. This is all too convenient.

[Kerset]

HELLO? Is there anyone beside the neighbor's kid? I don't want to play with him.

[Kerset]

pls guys

[Kerset]

The more i think about it, i feel that cat is fishy and is better target then Ythan.

I believe they are both excellent targets, what makes you lean stronger on the feline fleabag?

Aside of perfect timing to prevent math check. The claim doesn't make sense in retrospective: Math&House had no vig inside but CSF didn't suggest any doubts about their coexistence.

[Kerset]

The more i think about it, i feel that cat is fishy and is better target then Ythan.

I believe they are both excellent targets, what makes you lean stronger on the feline fleabag?

Aside of perfect timing to prevent math check. The claim doesn't make sense in retrospective: Math&House had no vig inside but CSF didn't suggest any doubts about their coexistence.

I understand nothing of that

Claims: RB/RC/Neig and JK
Your clue: probably vig, you are TPR
and you do nothing to warn town about those claims? just vote DGB

[Kerset]

The more i think about it, i feel that cat is fishy and is better target then Ythan.

I believe they are both excellent targets, what makes you lean stronger on the feline fleabag?

Aside of perfect timing to prevent math check. The claim doesn't make sense in retrospective: Math&House had no vig inside but CSF didn't suggest any doubts about their coexistence.

I understand nothing of that

Claims: RB/RC/Neig and JK
Your clue: probably vig, you are TPR
and you do nothing to warn town about those claims? just vote DGB

this is CSF POV during day2 start

[Kerset]

Yes, let's pretend the mystical vig exists.

If regular vig doesn’t exist
Then CSF is likely just IC.

If House believes CSF is scum then rolecop there is good to tell us what the scumrole is and then 1v1 or house says the modifier. TA checks House (preferred) or A50..

I fail to see the problem here as then me, CSF/House, and A50 are all confirmed one alignment or another.

You A50 House DGB are all near conftown.

Conftown?
Cat if you want to be conftown then just spam your claim 100 times and titus will believe in it.

[Kerset]

I wish we could get elim done instead of discussing night actions for 8 time. Especially when PR says 'i don't care about your opinions, i will do whatever i want'

[Kerset]

Can we stop treating Math like a princess, which needs to be satisfied just be cause he spams the thread?

[Kerset]

80% of recent posts are about pleasing Math demands to make him quiet.

[Kerset]

I'm a cop and Nero is town~

this is the most desperate move that someone can make but for some reason everyone believes PR claims

[Kerset]

Vote Count 2.21

Ythan (4)

- Almost50, Kerset, DrippingGoofball, Titus

Kerset (3)

- MathBlade, ssbm_Kyouko, Cat Scratch Fever

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

MathBlade (1)

- House

Not voting (3)

: Nero Cain, Andresvmb, Ythan

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Please double check that your vote is placed correctly as this vote count spans many pages.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

How about i claim Neapolitan? In this game you can just claim anything and you get away from elim. GG EZ

[Kerset]

Dragon of the West - Mailman
Ythan - Cop

Wake88 - Voyager rolecop

ssbm_Kyouko - Vanilla?
Kerset - Vanilla?
Nero Cain - Vanilla?
DrippingGoofball - Neighbor
Cat Scratch Fever - backup vig
House - JOAT
Andresvmb - Vanilla?
Almost50 - Vanilla?
MathBlade - simple JK
Titus - TA

5VT +1 neighbor = 6 nonpower
We know that Wake was fair power scum, so 7 VT shouldn't be the case.
archive for reference

So how about we try to reason with math for 5 pages... fail... and then agree to finally elim PR claim?

[Kerset]

Dragon claim basically confirms Titus claim. Not really the alignment but TA itself has huge interaction with mailman as "he can communicate outside the thread". So what the heck is cop doing here? The answer is simple Ythan pulled the most obvious "dont vote me today card". It was the most obvious safe he could pull but people over here will buy any story out of fear, so such cheap moves works.

[Kerset]

With claims so far though I don’t see Ythan being able to claim blocked so if scum gives us more wine.

You said this but you don't know his gate. Tomorrow he can say that he is actually odd-night or non-consecutive night. You haven't make sure of that.

[Kerset]

Kyouko why are you scumreading me?

[Kerset]

Fuck it.

We're massclaiming because I fucking hate this game now.

Novice Traffic Analyst. Ignuanas were my crumbs. If they leapt terribly, someone had a PT.

Ythan is not going to give a result, regardless of his alignment Math.

Given House's claim which deactivates at 1 scum remaining and my claim which deactivates at 1 scum remaining, scum likely don't have a roleblocker.

you haven't said that you are lazy

[Kerset]

i see

[Kerset]

The closest to one would probably be a Vanilla Cop (not even a Nea).

no neo? D: crap

[Kerset]

A50 or Kerset claim anything? That's just poe but it's very narrow at this point.

A50 claimed VT and likely saved from the nightkill by me unless DGB is scum.
Kerset jokingly said if they claimed Neo they’d not be in the PoE but I don’t think they seriously claimed anything.

That explains the Kerset votes. Thank you.

who cares that i said that after being voted, logic is for boring nerds

[Kerset]

Kyouko why are you scumreading me?

Poe, there are so many PR claims they can sort out overNight. I'm of the opinion a VT should die today, and A50 has already been jailed once, so my hope is Math will jail him again toNight. Pretty much just leaves me and you as VTs, maybe I've forgotten someone else

Nero and Andre. Still the fact that there are few VT means that they are true claims. Setup can't have insufficient amount of them.

[Kerset]

Adres got reasonable

[Kerset]

Call me once you are satisfied with your conversation with math and I will hammer.

[Kerset]

C'mon math I know that you and house enjoy this! I won't steal this from you

[Kerset]

Ascetic crossed my mind but TA got too many nulls
VOTE: Cat

[Kerset]

The last scum has to be math

[Kerset]

or math nokilled, because he expected a vig shot

[Kerset]

yea i am VT

[Kerset]

The last scum has to be math

THIS IS A SCUM CLAIM! THE REMAINING GOON IS TRYING TO GET RID OF THE ONE PR LEFT THAT COULD GUILTY THEM.

Kerset doesn't worry about House' check because House gets "Vanilla".

Kerset doesn't worry about Titus bc Kerset is the LAST SCUM so won't be guiltied by TA

Please sheep me on this one and you can do whatever if I miss (I won't)

here, i got one for you

[Kerset]

Or we can clear Kerset by jailing him and just win by limming DotW

Ofc it is counterwagon to scum, who needs to be checked.

[Kerset]

Math is the one, who keep misguding town by giving fake information about me and pursing CSF rolecop. It was the most scummy agenda there could be.

[Kerset]

Hey House, how did you cop DGB when you're lazy?

I had my modifiers backwards, lol.

Double-checked last night.

On other hand the fact that house made such mistake is sus as hell.

[Kerset]

House don't you feel ashamed? You claim to be pro player but fail to copy 5 words from your role PM.

[Kerset]

Kerset flashwagon anyone?

VOTE: Kerset

Not a fan. I'd deadline hammer but not a preference.

Kerset flashwagon anyone?

VOTE: Kerset

Eh, that's probably town. Or at least tick-free.

Those two has to be town. When CSF tried to distract people from wake wagon, they blocked it.

[Kerset]

Dragon wagon got so much support, because he is inactive and doesn't defend himself. He is lackluster rather then evil.

[Kerset]

NOT EVERYONE WHO CLAIMS VT IS GUARANTEED TO BE VANILLA.

If someone is town and fake claiming vt at this point in the game I wouldn't care if we voted them out

But you could claim VT as low utility scum power and kill during simple jk.

[Kerset]

How dare i explain A50 reasoning when Nero doesn't understand it. So scummy.

[Kerset]

I wish DotW could make a dragon entrance
or concede

[Kerset]

I wish DotW could make a dragon entrance
or concede

If you think DoTW is scum why aren’t you voting them?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/or

[Kerset]

House when you submited roleblock did you say its modifier?

[Kerset]

Adres was the most townreaded VT out of all of us...

[Kerset]

I was hoping to not claim and save the kill or something and see if someone complained about being blocked then claim and out them. Now I am fucking useless.

How many times do I have to say fucking “jail” in my ISO huh?

Told Titus I was a clone of her like the Flubber game c’mon.

HARD COUNTERCLAIM

One of {Mathblade/Me} has to die today.

Math is a scum jailkeeper.

I'm a town roleblocker & Rolecop.

Mod is fucking with us by switching typical roles between town & scum.

I don't even care if you lim me first. When i flip exactly as i say, turbolim Math.

You're claiming roleblocker AND rolecop? Like a JOAT? Is that a hard counter to JK?

Town isn't going to have 2 blocker abilities.

Just, no

Town isn't going to have 2 players that can both block & have a weak investigative.

Just no

now when no one can argue House claim legitimacy, here is last scum

[Kerset]

VOTE: Math

[Kerset]

Also now we know for sure that CSF was baiting rolecop to protect Math from House check. Flips are clear now.

[Kerset]

I dont think Kerset and I are correct mechanically. Math can confirm us if he is town, and if he is scum he has to claim he confirmed us each night in order to maintain his cover. So we dont kill him and we dont kill Kerset or I, and Math has to keep confirming us. I think he just tells DGB his targets rather than publicizing it so if either of us are scum we cant try to no kill to frame the other. Nero and Andre's are conf, Kerset and I are confirmable, DGB is useable for Math's targets in the case Math ever dies. So we kill DotW/Titus during the day, let Math do his Jailkeeper investigations, if he clears all the VTs he just gets POEd I think.

Let's try this again with the correct #of scum left

8 alive, 1 scum. Lim Titus/DotW
Scum kills not Math, presumably Nero or Andres, Math clears either me or Kerset
6 alive, we lim the other of Titus/DotW
Scum kills not Math, one of the cleared VTs
4 alive, we have Math, 2 cleared VTs, and DGB. Scum either in Math or DGB.

Scum can diverge and kill Math early and we still have some confirmed VTs.

The only way we can go wrong right now is specifically if Math is scum AND we lim in the VTs. Lim claimed PRs, if they're town, we confirm their power and can reassess how balanced a simple JK is in the setup later.

Idc which, DotW or Titus

why are you sure that last scum is vanilla?

[Kerset]

Also now we know for sure that CSF was baiting rolecop to protect Math from House check. Flips are clear now.

Explain pls

CSF claimed backup vig. It is a role, which can be confirmed as town by rolecop. CSF is scum, House the rolecop town. CSF wanted to bait rolecop to prevent him from checking someone.

[Kerset]

Yeah I forgot this game's gamestate

It is meme time! You forgot to submit yours!

[Kerset]

You were supposed to give meme not self-praise.

[Kerset]

Ascetic won't return "ascetic" to rolecop. It gives no result....

[Kerset]

Math would argue for few pages that House got roleblocked or CSF rolestopped. Don't be naive.

[Kerset]

So Titus you think that your role has 2 scum and between two~four townies, which can't be checked? Also got novice for some reason?

[Kerset]

A50 NK'd... and not MathBlade...

Which lends to me being town.

and Math being nightkilled would lend towards him being scum. #MathLogic

[Kerset]

Mafia Voyager Rolecop
Mafia Bulletproof Acetic
Mafia ?

1-shot Cop
JOAT (Neighbor, Rolecop, Roleblock)
Novice Traffic Analyst
Mailman
Simple Jailkeeper Neighbor
Neighbor
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Mafia Voyager Rolecop
Mafia Bulletproof Acetic
Mafia ? Neighbor

1-shot Cop
JOAT (Neighbor, Rolecop, Roleblock)
Novice Traffic Analyst
Mailman
Neighbor
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

now look at normal archive, which i posted long ago but people ofc didn't care. Games get 7VT, usually get 6 VT, rarely 5. Here you think that we got 4VT and semi-VT...

[Kerset]

btw neighbors are not doublevoters