Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Mirio]

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Second.

[Mirio]

I don’t know why everyone’s in such a rush to join a raid that already has scum in it.

[Mirio]

I don’t know why everyone’s in such a rush to join a raid that already has scum in it.

Does it now

Yes.

And no, you are not the person I’m referring to.

[Mirio]

Please explain why town would not want to join a raid because there's scum in it?
Are we going to try and arm twit peope we think are scum off of the raid?
How?

I don’t think that makes much sense. Quick raids before everyone else checks in seems like a bad idea, particularly with a scumread of mine present.

[Mirio]

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

[Mirio]

Interesting list.

[Mirio]

I’m most interested in the bottom two and the Mandelbrot placement. What is AI about Mandelbrots sole post prior to that list? Why are Sakura and Dwlee so low?

[Mirio]

You missed Qrow if that is the case.

How do you think Town-Sakura would join the raid?

[Mirio]

Actually the raid queue wasnt even there when i posted, if you notice i posted even before the day start PM was sent out.
I noticed it was there when someone posted "vote join raid" and i saw the reward and was asking the mod how it worked.

I am backing this up, the raid wasn’t there right away.

[Mirio]

Anyone can join the raid. If it’s all town it succeeds. If there’s any scum, scum get to decide if it succeeds.

[Mirio]

Why would scum say no to a raid where the only benefit is explicitly a recharge on x-shot roles that likely have not had the chance to act yet?

[Mirio]

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes

Is there a question, or…

[Mirio]

I was hoping there was more to it then “Against the grain on mech talk with an even tone.” Appears not.

PE-
Thanks whemestar. Want to tell Cakez why?

[Mirio]

Qrow reads like Gamma.

[Mirio]

Do you have any reads so far, Sakura?

[Mirio]

Do you think I’m scum?

[Mirio]

UNVOTE:

[Mirio]

Can you two please set avatars?

[Mirio]

I don’t agree with it but that doesn’t make it scum.

[Mirio]

Something that stuck out to me is how many people glazed over my request altogether. I don't think it was an incorrect thought, and I also realized I misunderstood how it worked once it was clarified in thread. I think it's going to be good information to dig into more at a later time.

I am unimpressed by the votes on me over the request, but understand them. Of the two I think Gamma's was weaker, as it seems fairly surface level.

[Mirio]

Thanks bro.

Who's scum, Bell?

[Mirio]

What would an impressive vote even look like on you in rvs?

Not sure, but I would know it when I saw it. I gave Cakez the opportunity to engage and he opted not to. Didn't really think it fruitful to engage Gamma over a difference in mechanic beliefs.

PE-
Who's town then?

PE2-
Won't be necessary. As I said, I understood it even if I found your vote rather surface level, and don't think it gets us anywhere fruitful in reading each other.

[Mirio]

I am now townreading mastina.

[Mirio]

My Mirio vote was serious :/
Not speaking for Cakez.

I never said it wasn't.

I'm just waiting for you to dig deeper.

[Mirio]

You've been playing for 4 hours Sakura, c'mon.

mastina is town though.

[Mirio]

With regards to mastina- I don't think it makes sense for mastina to come out of the gate and say her role empowers a raid if she was just scum looking to empower her role with extra shots. She could do the same thing without drawing extra attention to herself.

[Mirio]

My Mirio vote was serious :/
Not speaking for Cakez.

I never said it wasn't.

I'm just waiting for you to dig deeper.

I’m guessing you want me to address some deeper reason to your rationale, I’ll try but I don’t see how it’s going to change what I said.

-Qrow

Don't bother.

[Mirio]

Not particularly sure why, though.

[Mirio]

Am I supposed to be thinking you're town by reading your ISO? What do you think you've done that is town?

[Mirio]

The only thing you have said about her is that you are in her pocket, with no elaboration on why you think she's town.

Why is she town, dwlee?

[Mirio]

She is popping off, townreads me, and I feel like I you don't want me to townread her

I have already expressed (and explained part of) my townread on mastina. Yours is unexplained, and even upon asking for it to be explained you are deflecting the question.

Because you got caught giving a reasonless consensus read.

Mirio gets a townread for stealing my thoughts.

VOTE: Romance
I refuse to elaborate

How do you plan to eliminate someone without elaborating on your read?

to clarify, why do u think Mirio doesnt want you to townread her?

He is so aggressive at me for saying I townread her

I am pursuing a line of questioning about you. You asked why I questioned her townread, when your ISO is sparse. In response to asking what you have done, you answered "Townread mastina" and have yet to justify the read and instead deflected onto the people skeptical of your behavior.

VOTE: head 1/head2

This is a bad vote, they are likely town.

[Mirio]

You find it absurd that someone in a game about examining people's actions and the motives behind them wants to know the motive behind a statement you made?

Why?

@Sakura- non-sequitor means trying to change the topic, if thats what you needed clarification on.

[Mirio]

Does anyone other than dwlee find my line of questioning aggressive?

[Mirio]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I guess.

Blink twice if you want me to free you.

[Mirio]

Yup. Totally. Totally Kyo.

I'm apparently Ali too.

Wish someone told me that.

[Mirio]

Go back to your old account and say that to my face. >:(

[Mirio]

We all know who you are Ms. Fox

[Mirio]

24k of them are Hectic.

[Mirio]

Thrill of the chase.

We'll chat postgame.

[Mirio]

I will save one million townies.

[Mirio]

Going to need more than that if you want my vote Bell.

[Mirio]

VOTE: Bell

Well you've got it!

[Mirio]

I know my last post read as a joke, but this is a serious vote.

[Mirio]

I didn’t realize you weren’t very good at reading people. My mistake Mirio.

I didn't realize you'd done anything particularly town. My mistake Bell.

PE-
About a 7.

[Mirio]

I know why you're here. I also know I've seen little in the way of actual solving from you.

[Mirio]

Just because you don't have the reads doesn't mean you stop chasing them.

PE-
House re-treading old ground is not a good look.

PE2-
And you discrediting Bell inspires even less.

[Mirio]

I’m most interested in the bottom two and the Mandelbrot placement. What is AI about Mandelbrots sole post prior to that list? Why are Sakura and Dwlee so low?

In 36 I ask about the list myself, the post after the one quoted. I follow up here, in 41.

My issue is not that you are asking questions during catchup, my issue is that the questions you are asking are rehashes of points I brought up a few posts later.

[Mirio]

You can’t discredit a scum gut read. It discredits itself.

Not following. I literally never give up as town. I doubt this game will be much different. Though my job has been very straining lately so I may collapse sometimes.

Then I guess you have nothing to worry about from my pressure!

[Mirio]

What pattern?

[Mirio]

No one said mastina is confirmed town.

[Mirio]

VOTE: romance

Heres a great place to start a scum read.

Mirio is also a fantastic choixe5

Don't be a tease, Mara.

[Mirio]

House, why are you doing your catchup through ISOs?

[Mirio]

I never hid that this is an alt.

Why are you scumreading us two? And if you say it’s because we are alts I am liable to laugh.

[Mirio]

Mirio I have such a hard scum read on them but fuck they remind me of Lukewarm and now my brain's messing with me because that man is just so scummy I swear to god. Mirio literally isn't even Lukewarm's alt like they aren't similar but just seeing him post is frustrating.

Interesting comparison to make.

Spoiler: Alt Hideout (No Main Accounts Allowed)

Hello, Romance. Who should I be voting?

[Mirio]

Spoiler: Entire game but gamma hood

Alright guys, so the surprise party is going to be great but if he reads this we’re going to have to cancel:(

[Mirio]

VOTE: Titus

[Mirio]

What is Mirio doing?

What do you think I’m doing?

[Mirio]

Shit posting, when you seemed pretty alright before.

Letting the game breathe and quiet voices come forward. Mostly just busy today.

[Mirio]

You spin everything to your advantage, but that's just noticing that it's a skill in your skill set but it doesn't really tell me anything about your alignment.

If I keep myself in control I know scum aren’t in it.

How can I help you read me? By the by, the answer to your number two on the last page is in another thread in this sub forum.

[Mirio]

The Titus wagon's a little dumb while she's functionally AFK.

Spoiler: alt hideout

I didn’t anticipate three other votes joining in quick succession. I agree that it does not all seem legit.

Titus hit the nail on the head. Her presence but lack of content was concerning, however I neglected to account for Titusmeet.

PE-
Mastina, sakura, Elsa, yourself, tic-tac I won’t be voting presently.

Bell is slightly above null, but will not move much higher without more out of him.

This is a rattled off list. Won’t be available for in-depth for a few days.

[Mirio]

Spoiler: alt hideout

It’s understandable to be generous with Bell, as he should become obvious if scum before too long. My biggest concern is a lack of solving coming from him, but I understand he had a stressful job that limits his time.

I have not played with Elsa before, but I still like their approach to Mastina despite disagreeing with it.

I also don’t think that manaT3 actually guessed me.

A cakez vote is an interesting idea, I don’t believe this game is as active as he made it out to be (but know real life can get in the way), and there’s some concern about him attributing alt masking to tone, but grain of salt. I could also vote Gamma hydra. I suppose you could call these both OMGUS, but I’ve liked their votes both less as the game has gone on.

[Mirio]

Bell, I am not actively pursuing you just making it known igmeou.

[Mirio]

I mean, Sircakez hasn't said or done anything this game on first look.
There's like, nothing to have an opinion on. I'm not even sure if it makes sense for him as town to at least put in a half-baked effort. Because I kind of just don't know what town sircakez looks like.
I totally forgot if I've even played with town sircakez.

Not as both town, according to ego search.

[Mirio]

Spoiler: alt hideout

Cakez and Mara are just jealous no one asked them to be in thread neighbors.

[Mirio]

Knowing what I know, Mirio is town.

I really don’t advise locking a read based off an incorrect alt guess.

[Mirio]

snip

Have you ever checked the validity of that by using finished games with Mastina?

[Mirio]

i am at page 15
where the fuck is Noraa?

hm
why're you asking this?

-Qrow

It’s a fairly known tell that one head disappearing from a hydra early on is a scumtell. There are exceptions, but this is a pretty common tell.

[Mirio]

What would you like to know, Bell?

[Mirio]

Yes. I can go check again if you’d like.

[Mirio]

Could easily be scum, was debating voting based on lack of nancy, seems fine at the moment but I’d like her scumreads to not both be alts, and likewise for cakez- He goes on to say I’m still scummy but then moves his vote and doesn’t try to push me (while also questioning why I said I missed more engagement from him)

[Mirio]

Just chiming in to say Bell is hitting some tone things too and anyone just reading him off post count is either being lazy or scum!

[Mirio]

Has T3 fixed his lurkscum meta?

[Mirio]

I should have opened a betting pool on how many times people would ask which head of Q+R is which.

Something I think is interesting is Romance and I seem fairly linked in most reads I’ve seen so far- if you’re townreading one of us you townread the other and same for scumreads. I’m not sure what that means.

[Mirio]

If you figure out how to make mafia less emotionally taxing you better open a MD thread about it. It would revolutionize the game.

[Mirio]

Sakura Romance has been outed for several days as Ydrasse.

[Mirio]

I took a step back because I kinda saw that my play felt legitimately scummy while doing what inadvertently became self-meta on my homesite
So I’m trying to not basically attempt to force the game to go my way and instead let others do the talking somewhat

-Qrow

Why does town-you care if you look scummy?

[Mirio]

VOTE: Whemestar

Let’s do this.

[Mirio]

Sakura, Romance, please join if you’d be so kind.

[Mirio]

A Q+R wagon would be fine as well, I just prefer to go for Wheme first.

[Mirio]

Still not Ali.

[Mirio]

Huh. The votes have changed drastically from what I thought it was. I like the people on Wheme the most but I think I want a case for me to read on it.

How do you expect me to case 11 posts that have minimal if any engagement to the game?

There's your case. He's fluttering around the edges and isn't engaged.

[Mirio]

That's fucking low gamma.

You should rebel by voting Wheme.

You don't need to read someone's GTKAS to scumread them.

[Mirio]

I didn’t bother to quote Gammas post. I’m not intending to use that as a part of the “vote with me” thought.

Don’t want to see another game turned into a toxic shortest, which is the way it looked like it was going.

[Mirio]

I wouldn’t know my alignment pregame, and I doubt the players here would be able to meta me. Still prefer to keep my anonymity.

[Mirio]

Quite a lot, I have the full count back at agency.

[Mirio]

I do have one guess as who could Mirio be, but i'll keep it to myself for now.

Much obliged.

I promised I would tell you after the game anyways!

I’m not terribly against the Romance wagon despite townreading her, although I didn’t like Cakez going “I like the wheme wagon but let’s start a new wagon.” I should most likely go try and research how Cakez has handled alts in the past to see if there’s anything there.

[Mirio]

Ah, I mixed up the timeline when I was thinking about it. You did vote Romance first, my bad. Still think Wheme has a better chance to hit scum.

[Mirio]

Add AA9 to the list of people I am growing concerned about. Hope we hear from most of the VLAs soon.

[Mirio]

Oh. No I literally meant why are we voting wheme

Why are you voting a wagon you don't understand?

[Mirio]

What do you guys mean bum rushing the raid wasn't a good idea, because now we're giving scum tons of PR info? Why didn't anybody warn us!

[Mirio]

What do you guys mean bum rushing the raid wasn't a good idea, because now we're giving scum tons of PR info? Why didn't anybody warn us!

Not really.
As I said i dont have any use for the reward, yet i also bum rushed the raid.

My point was that all of this hemming and hawing we are doing at the moment is probably being discussed in depth in the scum PT.

[Mirio]

AA9 is falling further into red territory, yes.

[Mirio]

VOTE: AA9

[Mirio]

Typically when an OMGUS is organic it occurs in one post, not in a tale of three parts.

[Mirio]

Ok. Time to see how much I can get through in 15 minutes.

My watch seems to be broken, do you happen to have the time?

[Mirio]

Okay.

[Mirio]

Wouldn't you know it, this is my first game!

[Mirio]

Play on any other sites?

Come back to this once you've caught up, lol.

[Mirio]

I could vote Mara.

[Mirio]

VOTE: Mom

[Mirio]

Wait wtf, is momrangal ACTUALLY mara?

What, did you think I only knew your alts?

[Mirio]

I could vote Mara.

VOTE: Mom

Like this is ehhh.

It fits with the line of aa9 prob scum -> interactions with dwlee and qrow seem genuine on aa9's part -> votes suspicion.

But the timing feels off because it could have generated an actual push but now comes off self served since Mandelbrot found a push they believe in more. I haven't really gotten into why wheme is likely scum but that's also the case for me and unless cheeky is convinced mom is scum I'm probably not moving back.

To be totally transparent my WIM for this game is currently at a minimum. I probably should do something to get reinvested.

[Mirio]

Pfft... Alts.

Right? Who uses those in 2021.

[Mirio]

uh oh i did it again

Locking STD as town.

[Mirio]

...I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Mirio probably doesn't care about your veto this game. :<

My STD post was a joke, and you’re correct!

[Mirio]

...I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Mirio probably doesn't care about your veto this game. :<

My STD post was a joke, and you’re correct!

uh huh. a joke.

glad we feel the same things regarding each other.

-berbear

Wow, it’s almost like I predicted this game would turn into a toxic Shit fest and thus no longer care on the outcome! And like I warned against piling on the raids…

Glad we’re on the same page though!

[Mirio]

Hey Bell do you have any meta on STD regarding pagetops?

[Mirio]

I said to slow down and let the game breathe, which was then ignored as we filled the raid in the first 12 hours. Then halfway through the day everyone made a big deal about leaving the raids to let 1-shots on, giving scum plenty of information on who to kill.

And I never said you were the only culprit, so don’t act like I did.

[Mirio]

Mirio is the Least Toxic user I have ever met. Each day I only open up this thread for the hopes of seeing a glimpse of wholesome blond hair. Truly my oasis in this hellhole we reside in.

I've made it clear why it's enough to me.

(we don't need permission to elim Mara)

paget op

If only someone here was keeping track You're first in my heart.

I don't pay attention to any page tops but mine.
So no. I don't really remember him aiming for page tops or at least, I didn't find it memorable enough for it to be associated with him.

Thanks!

[Mirio]

Because scum also have the ability to run people up and get claims to further narrow, as well as have an inside track on the setup via knowing (4? 5?) of the roles, and what types of roles those would serve best in to. At the end of the day, we didn't keep it in our pants and if there's a tryhard scum odds are at least 4/5 of our PRs have been outed by now.

This is a game of information, and part of that is limiting the information scum gets.

[Mirio]

Mara struggles to find things to latch on to and follow through as scum. You can play dozens of games and still struggle with this. This is also something easily fact checkable if you chose to go over her meta.

[Mirio]

Bell, mastina, Titus, please join us on Mara.

[Mirio]

I suddenly am getting an urge to lim MB instead.
But i think Mara's way more likely to be scum than MB.

Quite common for MB.

Stay the course.

[Mirio]

I figured Mirio town pages ago, stop being so slow smh.

I've also been buddying you all game

PE-
As amusing as it is to me you're going to attempt to read me with meta, I'd prefer if you let the anonymity sit.

[Mirio]

No. For multiple reasons, no.

[Mirio]

Sounds like a scum case for yourself running up low activity slots here

Have I run them up to claim? Which slots that I've pushed have interacted with aforementioned raid?

Yeah and you can tell that she's struggling with latching on to things through her 7 posts that aren't rvs. No you can tell she's busy through her 7 posts literally i don't get you especially if you're town here. None of the logic makes sense but everyone's just mindlessly following you like possessed puppets. I don't get it.

You don't really expect scum to say "Hey guys I can't find something interesting in these 70 pages but I'm still town" do you?

Mirio. Everyone has eaten poisonous blueberries and are all under his spell. So like when he dies day ten and flips scum, you're welcome I figured that out day 1. Tic tac is also slippery would compromise there maybe.

Don't worry, you can apologize tomorrow after Mara flips scum.

Especially considering I haven't really tried much in the past 48 hours, this argument doesn't hold water. I also was not the main pusher of the Mara wagon, but I do know how to get wagons moving. Honey and vinegar, Noraa.

[Mirio]

Yeah and you can tell that she's struggling with latching on to things through her 7 posts that aren't rvs. No you can tell she's busy through her 7 posts literally i don't get you especially if you're town here. None of the logic makes sense but everyone's just mindlessly following you like possessed puppets. I don't get it.

You don't really expect scum to say "Hey guys I can't find something interesting in these 70 pages but I'm still town" do you?

I can literally do that as either alignment. Sometimes the struggle is real. It's why when I do catchups, they're floofy!

-F(Alter D)

Just so peeps are aware here, We're having a pretty rough time rn and while we're not on spinny door level of switchy, we are switchy <3 Mental health crashed super hard.

Good thing we’re applying it to Mara, not you then!

[Mirio]

Me Marangal, as Sakura already clarified.

[Mirio]

Titus, would you consider voting Mara?

[Mirio]

VOTE: Mom

Ngl I have some worries about this vote though.

Such as?

[Mirio]

VOTE: Mom

Ngl I have some worries about this vote though.

Such as?

Too easy no pushback.

There is some (MB in particular).

I’ve chalked it up to general apathy.

[Mirio]

You realize she’s not around to react?

[Mirio]

(Not to the wagon to Dwlee)

[Mirio]

Good game.