Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[Gamma Emerald]

That feels kinda flimsy
Why do you think Flea wouldn’t bus? How does your read on me factor into that?

Doesn't really make sense. A random last minute vote on Enchant there would give basically no town credit and would probably actually be more suspicious than it would give town credit. There's especially no reason to do it when we literally had tied competing wagons.

It has basically nothing to do with my read on you?

I’m not asking how it affects your read on me, rather I’m asking the reverse, how your read on me informs your view of the Flea/Enchant relationship

[Gamma Emerald]

ngl if enchant is town that bee post is nagl, even more so if manatee is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

In that scenario, why does scum Flea refuse to vote the Enchant wagon? As you say, fae can just vote whichever one to go through and switch between them.

To make Enchant look like a partner, or just to avoid looking like scum riding the middle?
ninja’d by CSF lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah, not arrogant. I just wasn't sure if you were working from the assumption that Gamma is scum.

This is kinda why I’m suspicious of MM, some of what she’s posted feels this way but other things don’t entirely line up with it and that disconnect in how I perceive her faith in her read of me feels scum-indicative.

[Gamma Emerald]

CSF, House, and ig Titus are the people I feel like are solidly town
tw is probably close behind, and PP is also probably up there

Beyond that I don’t feel like there’s too much I feel good about

[Gamma Emerald]

Although ngl I feel like I relate to Thor on some level
I don’t remember when but I think there was a time once where I did something with full seriousness and got memed on for it and it took me some time to process “oh these people aren’t being genuine ”

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Manatee

That ISO sent shivers down my spine

where doing it man.
where MAKING THIS HAPEN

[Gamma Emerald]

ngl if enchant is town that bee post is nagl, even more so if manatee is scum

What Bee post? I don't see one that fits this bill.

What Bee post, Gamma? You have me sitting on the edge of my seat.

*Waves hand.* Me.

I'm not the biggest fan of it either because I don't think it'll /do/ much from what I know of Flea but I feel wishy-washy about the main two wagons ATM and I want to see what happens.

I think wagoning Manatee would bear more fruit right now even if I don't especially think she's scum because she's more reactive and won't dig in her heels which is what I think Flea would do: self-vote or say "kill me go ahead" as fae has done before, especially since fae isn't around ATM. Manatee also promised some isos today which I don't really want so much as in the moment talking to us. It feels like a bit of a cop out and maybe the pressure would help her get more into the game and over the freezing.

(This is me asking if anyone will move to Manatee with me.)

p-edit: That world feels more possible than some tbh.

Mm, I feel like we should be beyond pressure wagons at this point.

I disagree in the case of Manatee. Having a way to get her back into the game and being reminded of why I TR her potentially is useful for me at least. Worst case Manatee's frozen still and I return to one of the big two and see if people are willing to let them build up again.

This one

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, not really a fan of how 1882 is a soft of a soft.

Yeah, i pointed that shit out.

Oh. It wasn't. But townpoints for saying that.

Wasn’t there a tell for House way back when that he’d save that sort of comment for the scum PT? I swear I remember something like that

[Gamma Emerald]

Here is my plan:

night 3 vigilante or vengeful
1-shot vigilante or 2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop or bulletproof
draft cop or 1-shot watcher
doctor or roleblocker
universal backup or rolecop
neighborizer or voyeur
jailkeeper or tracker

If we have the setup on the left, this is what I believe we should do:
The night 3 vigilante should be left alive until night 3.
The 1-shot vig should not shoot if scum is voted out on day 1. If town is voted out, they should.
The ascetic cop should check who they think is scum but is unlikely to be voted out the next day.
The draft cop can check whoever they like to see if they have a role.
The doctor should protect a universally townread person.
The universal backup should wait.
The neighbouriser should target someone they think they will get along and solve with.
The Jailkeeper should target their biggest scumread.

If we have the setup on the right:
The vengeful should claim when death is assured and kill a consensus scumread.
The PGO should not activate and save themselves for later.
The bulletproof should enjoy themselves.
The 1-shot watcher should not do anything on the first night.
The roleblocker should target their biggest scumread.
The rolecop should target a scumread they're worried might be a cop.
The voyuer should target a high interest player.
The tracker should target their biggest scumread that won't immediately be voted out.

If we follow all of these actions, we can probably win this game from the sheer amount of roles that will be in town's hands. We just need to make sure foolish things aren't done like vigilantes shooting like heroes or cops checking players that will be voted out the next day anyway.

That’s not how this works

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah, my impression was that we were bidding on which side of the draft we'd like, with the majority bid deciding the setup. I see what you mean now.

I could see this ngl
My main critique for the actual format is if most of the town picks from the same pair town ends up underpowered
Thor’s misconception rectifies that by removing that particular element of choosing an exact role

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought faer hop onto Gamma was awkward

I feel like fae would've mentioned something about voting the same person as faer top scumread for most of the day (Auro)

General dissatisfaction with the leading wagons

Well it appears MM is at least able to extract some information.

The replace out of the hydra to a single player while still suspicious does confirm that Xtomx is really not feeling the game. My interactions with auro were good enough that I could bump them to a neutral read. Given also that end of phase is approaching it was time to begin consolidating and not riding what was essentially a vanity wagon with me being the sole participant.

damned if you, damned if you dont I guess.

I feel like when scum hydrae replace out typically all the heads fall at once
It’s probably NAI that Auro remained in but I think on a base theoretical level your idea of the main replacing the hydra being scummy is flawed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh and as for WWSF do, scum flea would absolutely vote enchant for that wagon.

Enchant either goes super townie and becomes untouchable, or super scummy.
Gamma can be raged or made apathetic and made to appear scummy.

ex-fucking-scuse me I can obvtown too

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma's vote is ???? Im pretty sure they were already scumreading me so im not sure why they used bee starting a pressure wagon as the time to lay down a vote

Keep in mind I had switched off to vote Enchant at one point
iirc my vote that followed after Bee was naked, and if I make a naked vote the logical conclusion should be that I’ve laid out my core reasoning for it earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

Auro Flea Thor.

Those are the three I want. Enchant is a compromise but I worry that's a language barrier.

Not feeling these SRs rn

[Gamma Emerald]

The only one I’d really go for there is Flea, and that’s not a preferred vote

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are MG and MM town for you

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t know how to put this well so I’ll just say it
It feels like you’re playing like you did in mini 2226, which makes me feel like you’ve townblocked scum already

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk how those are town-indicative, those might just be playstyle
What do you think of my point that MM’s belief in her read on me seems a little dilapidated?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah, not arrogant. I just wasn't sure if you were working from the assumption that Gamma is scum.

This is kinda why I’m suspicious of MM, some of what she’s posted feels this way but other things don’t entirely line up with it and that disconnect in how I perceive her faith in her read of me feels scum-indicative.

@Titud

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah, not arrogant. I just wasn't sure if you were working from the assumption that Gamma is scum.

This is kinda why I’m suspicious of MM, some of what she’s posted feels this way but other things don’t entirely line up with it and that disconnect in how I perceive her faith in her read of me feels scum-indicative.

@Titud

Rephrasing here, just to ensure I understand.

Do you feel she's starting from the position that you're scum but then falling out of it at points?

That’s one way to see it. It’s not a hard feeling otherwise I’d be pushing it more seriously.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think Thor’s a person who can turn off the data-centric part of his play style

[Gamma Emerald]

13 players with 9 potential roles, 8 are PRs, and 2 alignments.

I need a script for this...

14 players
And it’s 8 at most

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah I figured that out
Depending on picks there could be as little as 3 PRs

[Gamma Emerald]

That was @flea

[Gamma Emerald]

To an untrained eye that would probably look like a team guess
also flea uses fae/faer pronouns

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma, Check out Flea's flail vote. He's a) panicked b) trying to force my reads to be scum in an exact team c) trying to demand my reads be frozen and d) jumping off someone he scumreads that has a wagon near deadline.

a: why would flea be panicking if faer wagon was basically non-existent rn?
c: I don’t think that’s accurate but a more rational approach would have been to ask questions vs. insta-accusing
d: I feel like I’ve done that before as town -_-

although I see how a+d would add up to being scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

could be as little as 1 if were honest, if we want to go full "omg wat"

there’s presumably no tactical advantage to scum piling on a certain pick, so the absolute minimum number of PRs is the amount of scum in the game, which is 3. In that scenario either scum have all the PRs or someone picked something in a pair they tried to claim before them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Your reads probably have changed, but to go from "they're not SvS" to "BUDDIEZ!" and to tack on the one person I've been pretty hard on all phase, is interesting.

Now, that's a misrep. I literally just said you're my SRs but you aren't necessarily teamed. Yet, you're acting scared.

Also, if you're hard on Auro, where's your vote?

Flea meant fae’s been hard against Thor
So from Flea’s POV it probably looked like you were calling fae scum with someone you’d initially sorted as not SvS with fae and faer strongest SR

[Gamma Emerald]

MG is a light scumread, and I said I much preferred Thor when I voted.

Funny, it's typical buddy behavior to scumread their buddy but prefer another (or, any other) wagon.

MG needs to be eliminated today. Red flip will have me gunning for flea.

I’d probably poke Bee myself if MG flips scum

[Gamma Emerald]

MG is a light scumread, and I said I much preferred Thor when I voted.

Funny, it's typical buddy behavior to scumread their buddy but prefer another (or, any other) wagon.

MG needs to be eliminated today. Red flip will have me gunning for flea.

Honestly the read I have on MG is the same as the read I had on Xtomx. They're not here for me to read, therefore avoiding the game, therefore red.

While I can understand you handling them similarly MG isn’t a hydra slot, and I think Auro might be the top poster, so you could surely read him?

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus pls read 2113

[Gamma Emerald]

Flea was solely talking about Thor

[Gamma Emerald]

@Flea

in your experience is Xtoxm significantly more lurkish as scum?
I was thinking about my own experiences with severely mismatched activity in hydrae and I realized this could be a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm. That’s a bit yikes if true

[Gamma Emerald]

@Flea

in your experience is Xtoxm significantly more lurkish as scum?
I was thinking about my own experiences with severely mismatched activity in hydrae and I realized this could be a thing

I don't have any experience with them, and given the current site meta to flake on red, I have to consider that option.

I personally don’t recall any such meta from Xtoxm but Almost50 managed to develop a habit of lurking/flaking as scum despite him not having that sort of style before

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah pressure-wise Flea’s Thor vote was essentially worthless

[Gamma Emerald]

@Flea

in your experience is Xtoxm significantly more lurkish as scum?
I was thinking about my own experiences with severely mismatched activity in hydrae and I realized this could be a thing

I don't have any experience with them, and given the current site meta to flake on red, I have to consider that option.

I personally don’t recall any such meta from Xtoxm but Almost50 managed to develop a habit of lurking/flaking as scum despite him not having that sort of style before

So I did some digging and I could see Xtoxm maybe hanging back and letting Auro drive as scum but by personal meta I think Xtoxm would be more likely to flake out as town, his scum meta seems to be to kinda subtly steer the game while putting on an appearance of not doing much

[Gamma Emerald]

I have personally had to deal with a scum partner who ended up flaking out and leaving me to dry a few times, so I felt like I was qualified to look at that situation with Xtoxm and judge whether that made sense
Off the top of my head I can reference 3 games where that had happened to me

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma, Check out Flea's flail vote. {Fae}'s a) panicked b) trying to force my reads to be scum in an exact team c) trying to demand my reads be frozen and d) jumping off someone he scumreads that has a wagon near deadline.

a: why would flea be panicking if faer wagon was basically non-existent rn?
c: I don’t think that’s accurate but a more rational approach would have been to ask questions vs. insta-accusing
d: I feel like I’ve done that before as town -_-

although I see how a+d would add up to being scummy

kinda +1, i'm lukewarm on the idea of scum!titus but i'm wary i might have townread her too quickly.

I still think Titus is town, the misunderstanding between her and Flea seems to e a result of a breakdown in communication
Flea could definitely go either way for me but I’m trying to facilitate proper discussion where everyone is on the same page

[Gamma Emerald]

I have personally had to deal with a scum partner who ended up flaking out and leaving me to dry a few times, so I felt like I was qualified to look at that situation with Xtoxm and judge whether that made sense
Off the top of my head I can reference 3 games where that had happened to me

Thats you, not me. Each hydra is different. Fairy Circle vs Angel Warriors vs Celestial Powerhouse will all have different activity tells and different responses to red pms, despite all 3 being me, mom and nora.

Oh so THAT’S who’s behind Celestial Powerhouses
Not that I cared, y’all just made a big deal about remaining secret lol

And just because we don’t handle hydra’ing the same way doesn’t negate my feeling that something could actually be up with the H+H slot
That slot feels like how I played in Dance of the Dark Fairy where I had to pull my slot out of the abyss because A50 was doing his new lurkscum meta and I was kinda way-laid by IRL for the first day or so, and I managed to act natural enough in my reaction to being screwed over like that that I ended up endgaming
As such I lowkey don’t want Auro anywhere near endgame

[Gamma Emerald]

me, mom and nora

mom = momrangal?
if so that's a terrifying hydra

I played a game with them.

It was quite fun.

You’re talking about the Chrono Trigger game right
Tbh between that and a couple other games, Mom’s self-proclaimed BoP does not exist for me

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm surprised people aren't seeing that manatee has gone into anti-spew mode.

pedit: auro does get progressively more readable when his posts are backed by flips imo!

That requires her to be here.

Lack of presence is an indicator of anti-spew

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, if she was accepting naked votes because "she knew her play was weak", there is no justification for her to shade Gamma's vote on her.

She's scumhunting. She can be suspicious of some votes and not others. Sure we hate naked votes but not every player needs to.

They do if they're "scumhunting".

You can't give her credit for scumhunting Gamma and a pass for NOT scumhunting naked votes when it all happened in the same post.

You're being disingenuous & bending over backwards to explain away transparently scummy behavior.

Scumhunting varies from player to player.

I'm not "bending over backwards" trying to explain that principle. You've been stubborn and bullheaded. You're picking fights because people don't think like you. First Gamma and now Manatee.

No I think House’s Manatee push makes sense
How does Manatee “give a pass” to a naked vote yet in the same breath she shades me despite my logic for why I voted her being face-up on the table?

[Gamma Emerald]

Naked votes are perfectly okay, but a player that scumreads her dropping a vote on her is sus?

GTFO.

@Gamma/House, To be clear, I don't think you're scummy for pushing this.

I don't think Manatee is scum either for FoSing someone pushing a wrong case but townreading the people caught up in it. I'm not even necessarily agreeing with Manatee's theory, especially because I TR Gamma really hard. I can just see it coming from town who knows their play sucked but suspects scum is overselling it.

That seems ass-backwards to me, I’d expect the reasonable approach to be townreading the one pushing but scumreading those following without explaining why adequately
As I wrote this I also realized the shade on me wasn’t even because I suspected her but because I followed Bee. Like, WHAT?

[Gamma Emerald]

Am I genuinely having that weird a day where I'm just completely failing to communicate or this game collectively decided that I just speak another language?

What are you trying to say in 2186? I’ve mostly gotten where you’re coming from but that one eludes me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Naked votes are perfectly okay, but a player that scumreads her dropping a vote on her is sus?

GTFO.

@Gamma/House, To be clear, I don't think you're scummy for pushing this.

I don't think Manatee is scum either for FoSing someone pushing a wrong case but townreading the people caught up in it. I'm not even necessarily agreeing with Manatee's theory, especially because I TR Gamma really hard. I can just see it coming from town who knows their play sucked but suspects scum is overselling it.

That seems ass-backwards to me, I’d expect the reasonable approach to be townreading the one pushing but scumreading those following without explaining why adequately
As I wrote this I also realized the shade on me wasn’t even because I suspected her but because I followed Bee. Like, WHAT?

To expand on this, the actual thought process for me when I voted manatee was that it was a sweet spot of someone I suspected and someone I was aware there was momentum for. Up until I voted manatee I was holding my peace as I didn’t want to go on someone just for the momentum to not be there. And following that vote I had suggested Bee could be scum with Manatee because of how her idea of what to do in the case Manatee didn’t respond to pressure like she wanted was to drop it. Honestly that might have been why Manatee opted to shade me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gottem

[Gamma Emerald]

ebwop i guess?

Scumhunting varies from player to player.

I'm not "bending over backwards" trying to explain that principle. You've been stubborn and bullheaded. You're picking fights because people don't think like you. First Gamma and now Manatee.

Yes. This summarisation of her opinion on the votes on her is scumhunting. THIS IS CLEARLY SARCASM, AS THE FOLLOWING QUOTE CONTAINS ABSOLUTELY NO SCUMHUNTING WHATSOEVER AND IS IN FACT - AS STATED - A SUMMARISATION OF HER OPINION ON THE VOTES ON HER.

Bee vote on me i think is pretty good. The intention feels genuine and I think their desire for a new wagon reads as pretty towny in general.
Gamma's vote is ???? Im pretty sure they were already scumreading me so im not sure why they used bee starting a pressure wagon as the time to lay down a vote
the worst had a naked vote,, which makes sense and is fine with meeeeeee. not much 2 read in to here.
Thor said my iso sent shivers down his spine which is fair,,, cos same im not proud of what ive done so far.
i dont think flea really thinks my frozen-ness here is comparable to NQN (i think thats what fae is talking abt). not a fan of that vote cos i think those scenarios are pretty different.
pp naked vote is fine.

I had actually detected the sarcasm, it just wasn’t marked like I’d expect so I had to double-check

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll be sure to make sure all future sarcasm is fully noted for you Gamma.

/s

I still feel like Auro/Flea/Thor yields at best one scum
This is kinda random, but would people be amenable to a Bee wagon? I feel like she hasn’t really gotten much pressure this game

[Gamma Emerald]

That quote is not meant to be there

[Gamma Emerald]

Why presume that this is how ManateeGal scumhunts as town? Is there something about her posting that you see as +town in a vacuum?

It makes sense to me. I don't have to agree with it, but if I can make logical sense of it without a scum agenda, it's likely town. We're all mostly town.

I think CSF meant aside from the reactions to the current wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

ok im gonna lay this out as calmly as i can cos today has been very very frustrating in and out of game.

house you are either purposely or unconciously misunderstanding and miscontruing my statements regarding my wagon. gammas vote on me was directly after bee placed their vote stating they wanted to wagon me to develop a read. i thought this was odd considering gamma had already stated. i am begging u to look critically and analytically at my statement and think about context.

this kinda makes sense but just because I followed Bee doesn't mean I shared her reason for voting you

[Gamma Emerald]

i think both players had at least some aforementioned read on me, and they didnt try to posture their vote with a reasoning i disagree with

hmmmm

my reads in poorly formatted list

[Titus, Bee]
[CSF. the worst, PP, Auro, House]
[S_S, Thor, MM] null
[Enchant, Gamma]
[Flea]

[Gamma Emerald]

hey - would be better just to give yours to compare!

You, Titus, or MG are my vote options at this point. MG or Titus, preferably. I'm concerned that our friction may not be game related.

this is intriguing given you objected to Enchant's PP Sr earlier, unless I misinterpreted

[Gamma Emerald]

CSF, House, and ig Titus are the people I feel like are solidly town
tw is probably close behind, and PP is also probably up there

Beyond that I don’t feel like there’s too much I feel good about

I'm still pretty much holding the line on this

[Gamma Emerald]

Whoooaa, Squidward on a cha~air!
VOTE: Enchant

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually after thinking about it some more, I am surprisingly okay with a Titus wagon. Everyone who has been seriously run up today has felt townie. I feel like scum are hiding somewhere in the null-townreads.

VOTE: Titus

Also I remembered Enchant unvoting Gamma didn't seem like scum at E-2

I can acknowledge that I could be snowed by Titus but the way in which she’s felt town to me doesn’t feel like she’s really been trying to appear that way. So Titus!scum requires either her to have unintentionally or intentionally replicated her tone from a recent towngame for ??? reason

[Gamma Emerald]

@Cat Scratch Fever

Her townreads feel driven by agenda, an example would be this post:

Sads here PP. Lots of sads.

MM, PP is town.

Mama Bear hates when her kids fight. Can we defeat gods instead of each other?

It's less designed to actually convince Miss Midnight that Penguin is town, since it has no reasons, and more designed to pocket both players.

Eh, I feel like I’ve seen a lot of that type of posting from town!Titus
I know she did some in mini 2226

[Gamma Emerald]

I did see Manatee post elsewhere FTR.

After white knighting the hell out of MG, you go and do this to sell her wagon from the sidelines?

I have literally done this as town before, you’re gonna have to actually explain why it’s scummy in this instance because theoretically I see nothing wrong with it

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma I don't even try to read Titus from the way she interacts with people, but actions not fitting reads?

That's concerning.

Why would she undermine her own efforts to defend MG by mentioning that she had been posting elsewhere after it was brought up that she had promised to be in thread all day & disappeared?

PEdit: posting it anyway.

I've had moments where I've actually simmered down on a defense because I was like "if this person isn't gonna show up then what am I pleading their case for?"

[Gamma Emerald]

Weird for Enchant to not be voting there

No it's not. He was too invested in "townreading" Gamma.

Voting there would have raised eyebrows.

*nods along*

[Gamma Emerald]

Enchant pulled off after Audi’s fake hammer and earned towncred which dismantled the wagon.

What are you trying to say with this?

[Gamma Emerald]

MM + 1 of {Auro/ManateeGal} are all fine lims for today.

My first choice remains MM.

This does not parse in my head. It makes more sense to say that just one of those three are fine?

[Gamma Emerald]

It seems to me like Flea scum only makes sense if Enchant is also scum, I can't really see Flea scum Enchant town. So again, even without any real townread there I guess I just don't really get the wagon.

If MM flips red, Flea is basically IC for this post.

I kinda get it but I also don’t

[Gamma Emerald]

MM + 1 of {Auro/ManateeGal} are all fine lims for today.

My first choice remains MM.

This does not parse in my head. It makes more sense to say that just one of those three are fine?

I was saying (at that time) that i believed the scum team to be either:

MM + MG, or
MM + Auro

Current theory, however, is:

MM + Thor, or
MM + Auro (trying to rock the boat when town was beginning to find each other was Not A Good Look, plus I'm willing to work with Penguin on his suspicions there as well)

But regardless of team potential there is no reason one person being a good elim precludes another person from also being one

[Gamma Emerald]

It seems to me like Flea scum only makes sense if Enchant is also scum, I can't really see Flea scum Enchant town. So again, even without any real townread there I guess I just don't really get the wagon.

If MM flips red, Flea is basically IC for this post.

I kinda get it but I also don’t

That post reads as trying to set up a mislim following losing a buddy.

Why would scum box themselves into scumreading another buddy when the one that's currently being scumread is in danger of being eliminated?

This also feels backwards
MM only said Flea had to be scum with Enchant, not the other way around

[Gamma Emerald]

My main issue there is with the “one of” bit

[Gamma Emerald]

But they’re both suspects, therefore they’re both good lims, there is no “one of” in that sort of statement

[Gamma Emerald]

It seems to me like Flea scum only makes sense if Enchant is also scum, I can't really see Flea scum Enchant town. So again, even without any real townread there I guess I just don't really get the wagon.

If MM flips red, Flea is basically IC for this post.

I kinda get it but I also don’t

That post reads as trying to set up a mislim following losing a buddy.

Why would scum box themselves into scumreading another buddy when the one that's currently being scumread is in danger of being eliminated?

This also feels backwards
MM only said Flea had to be scum with Enchant, not the other way around

Assume for a moment that MM is scum.

She knows that Enchant is scum.

Her team is in danger of losing a member.

Now, reread my post.

I guess it checks out but it’s a really dumb way of setting Flea up because the connection was set up from the other end to how it would make sense
Basically I’m saying if MM was doing that, she fucked it up

[Gamma Emerald]

But they’re both suspects, therefore they’re both good lims, there is no “one of” in that sort of statement

Clumsily worded, perhaps, but i was stating the possible scum teams, of which MM was the common denominator.

Eh I think I see the missing logical connector there
“MM + one of these two are probably the scum,

thus

the are all good lims”

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess it checks out but it’s a really dumb way of setting Flea up because the connection was set up from the other end to how it would make sense
Basically I’m saying if MM was doing that, she fucked it up

Just curious, did you miss 2512?

I didn’t really process it, yeah that makes more sense

[Gamma Emerald]

GeorgeBailey

Is a medium role allowing this? There doesn't appear to be one in the setup list (which I carefully examined in the worst's honour), so I'm unsure why Enchant was able to say this and what the relevance of "GeorgeBailey" is. Is that someone in this game?

VOTE: GeorgeBailey to test.

It’s a bah post, how do you not know about them

[Gamma Emerald]

And for someone who spent as much effort on trying to “break” the setup as you did you should be aware no medium can exist
VOTE: Thor
S_S also has a point about the NK because I couldn’t remember what reads tw had but now that it’s been brought up I do remember him pushing Thor

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus got neighborizer when Enchant died, I mean.

UB typically works on roles of the same alignment
Idk about the functionality in this setup though

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus got neighborizer when Enchant died, I mean.

UB typically works on roles of the same alignment
Idk about the functionality in this setup though

It’s in the OP that it’s the first PR. Not distinctive as to alignment.

Fair enough

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not a big fan of associating activity with alignment, but i have to admit a touch of concern over the fact Auro has less posts than Datisi.

You have to factor in the fact he repped in from his hydra

[Gamma Emerald]

I was being disingenuous to see if you'd get defensive.

LUL
Btw I can now go into why I felt confident enough to read House early on, I was seeing something vaguely similar to his play in Radio Buzz, and given how little he posted there it boosted my belief that “yes, I can read him off minimal posting”.

[Gamma Emerald]

I just re-watched that last night. Great movie.

I watched Pulp Fiction last night, man that’s a hard movie to keep track of.

[Gamma Emerald]

A usual outcome of fakehammers is drawing genuine responses from the hammeree

Not such a concern if your intention was noted in scum chat, is it?

Also I’ve literally gotten voted out off of doubt that my town reaction to a fake hammer was genuine so I have little faith in the process

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah
Just saying I think famehammers aren’t good as they’re cracked up to be

[Gamma Emerald]

Idr what the votes are at but once the VC is posted I’ll prolly vote there

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Miss Midnight
That’s E-2

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh good, he's gone.

-_-

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: miss midnight
Continuing where he left off

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like we’ve been doing absolutely fine on dayplay that a PR getting voted out wouldn’t have been that big a loss

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean, he was also obv town and a bit of a loose cannon, so maybe they just didn't want to deal with him.

But yeah the kills have been a little weird.

It’s probably no one who actually knew him, that’s for sure. He’s the type of player that once you’re used to his stormy playstyle your method as scum is generally to steer clear of the storms he generates. If you do that he’s bound to land on someone town.

[Gamma Emerald]

........
I MAY BE STUPID.

[Gamma Emerald]

I somehow thought Thor got yeeted over MM

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Thor then

[Gamma Emerald]

Not sure what MH means but hope you feel better soon, Flea.

Mental health.

You realise that the claims mean nothing without flips anyway?
The PRs aren't alignment locked.

You realize that PR's can do useful things if they aren't killed? And may even have results that will be valuable if they do die...

We cannot allow a wagon to dissipate based on a PR claim.

VOTE: S_S

I’m not enthused by how you keep pushing S_S

[Gamma Emerald]

possible but house was a bad vig shot.

House had terrible reads and his hammers

He was also obvtown and very vocal

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Hrrrm

[Gamma Emerald]

Something feels off with Flea
The pressure on S_S feels inconsistent

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I’m probably gonna take a moment to orient my head in this game soon

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Bee
I ISOed myself and I wanna come back here for a couple reasons

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like she’s kinda been off-the-radar a bit too much

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel like Auro’s entirely been decided as the lim?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean for each possible wagon

That would probably be a bit extravagant
I like the “vote out one, kill the other” plan tbh, we just need to figure out who the two should be

[Gamma Emerald]

PP what are your thoughts on S_S rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree the wagon feels suspect but I’d potentially put him a bit lower than null rather than just say “don’t TR”

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda practice what Auro does too, mostly because I’ve grown a distaste for vanity voting recently

[Gamma Emerald]

hey there, I've kinda been disengaged myself but I'll try to sum things up
D1 there was several attempts to run people up, the closest attempts were on me (I was fakehammered which kinda caused my wagon to dissolve), titus (who claimed Universal Backup), and enchant (the D1 lim)
D2 was mostly between miss midnight and thor because those were the slots the n1 kill found suspicious
house was kinda the backbone of a lot of the thread happenings while he was alive so the thread's kinda been lethargic this day phase

[Gamma Emerald]

-_-
I feel snubbed

[Gamma Emerald]

that's valid
you're response just kinda felt like you were saying "that's great and all but not what I was asking, now I'll try to see if anyone else can actually give a straight answer"

[Gamma Emerald]

S_S is hardish to place for me because I think he's a bit of a brick wall tonally but I also know we kiiiinda have similar playstyles in certain ways

[Gamma Emerald]

probably the best way to sort us is to see how we sort others
like, in my case, sometimes I ask questions that are motivated out of paranoia, I can't recall a time where I've 100% consciously tried to fake that as scum, so that would be one of my towntells.

[Gamma Emerald]

No touchie today: Gamma, Bee, Thor
maybe touchie today: Titus, SM, PP, CSF, S_S
yeah touchie today: Auro, Flea
when I put my thoughts into this framework I end up with a neat little pair of names I want to look into, this was a good thing to do on a lark

[Gamma Emerald]

I trust her judgment enough to not push her today as that would force her to claim which she's said she doesn't want to

[Gamma Emerald]

Disagree with both of those, Alchemist

Guessing that means Flea?

[Gamma Emerald]

Somebody please talk to me about something. I'm really not picky.

Who are your bottom 2 reads rn?
This goes for everybody

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda think hypocop might work? Even if it doesn’t do things for the mech aspect it’s still possibly helpful in a way

[Gamma Emerald]

That feels like a logical take for SM

[Gamma Emerald]

she sometimes busses but last I remember she tried to be an "ineffectual busser"

[Gamma Emerald]

I still think Thor's town, yeah.

And I've seen Titus bus like... her entire team. .-.

lulw

[Gamma Emerald]

the idea was to push her buddies but not be listened to
it did not work, mostly because everyone else on the scumteam either crashed and burned (exhibit A: my stupid ass) or couldn't put forth the WIM to turn things around (cupcake butterfly and yuri gagarin)
context

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Auro
There’s 2 possibilities for what S_S means here FYI

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

Nice

Assuming Auro flips scum, opinions on who I should shoot?

StrangeMatter probably

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda feel bad sussing SM out of the gate because I enjoyed playing with them before but there’s possibility to win this cycle so I’m willing to make that call

[Gamma Emerald]

that was not exactly what I expected
I had thought S_S had picked something from the doc/rb pair and knew there was no way it could've gone doqn to auro

[Gamma Emerald]

gone down*

[Gamma Emerald]

we've had 3 nights to get results, assuming solid target picks by the ascetic cop we just win here

[Gamma Emerald]

I highly doubt I’m gonna yeet Flea this game

[Gamma Emerald]

I just don’t think this resembles faer scumgame that much
Faer like a reverse beeboy where until I see actually scummy things I’m just gonna kinda assume fae is town

[Gamma Emerald]

wowee

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: penguinpower
Eh this feels like the most sensible vote atm

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like everyone except you and Bee feel like town in one way or another. Bee’s last couple posts give me a certain idea so I think it’s you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I know I’m town
Titus’ role usage seems rather towny
CSF has just not seemed scum at all
Flea and Thor feel a bit like miselim bait after Auro’s flip

[Gamma Emerald]

I know I’m basically waiting for it to be revealed, so probably

[Gamma Emerald]

You tried to talk with House, and you’ve been trying to utilize the knowledge of the cop to form reads

[Gamma Emerald]

Because if you’re scum you’ve horribly mis-utilized your role? Neighborhoods can be a good tool to pocket people, failing to do that is a waste
Though I also get what you’re saying somewhat

[Gamma Emerald]

But yeah, you should just say who the ascetic cop is.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bee, can you confirm?
I had reasoned out it was Bee, which is why I voted PP

[Gamma Emerald]

Awesome
I’d actually realized Titus could have been scum running the kill because the first 2 targets matched so I wanted her to claim who the cop was first so she would have gotten caught in a lot excepting a lucky guess (which I doubted she could make based on her struggling to form reads via checking for possible results)
This leaves pretty much zero chance Titus is scum because she’s basically proven to have been using the role how she claims she has, which is just bad strategy for scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think we’ve basically seen as much motion as we really should

[Gamma Emerald]

Bruh
I know you proposed a similar logic in 2226 but like, I don’t think we NEED to lim Bee to assure her results are trustworthy? She’s been pretty towny throughout the game imo

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s pretty much between PP and Flea rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

FFS

[Gamma Emerald]

Thor was presumably the N3 check -_-

[Gamma Emerald]

That kinda makes sense -_-

[Gamma Emerald]

How about no
What about my interactions with the flipped scum indicates I’m with them here?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t remember your interactions but I certainly remember mine
Maybe try showing what you mean rather than expecting me to know.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t feel like Flea makes sense as scum and you feel like all the bad parts of Flea’s play with none of the good
Is that accurate idk but that’s what I’m getting from a mix of base recollection and my gut

[Gamma Emerald]

Man my gut’s been more reliable than my brain these days. Is it perfect NO, but I’m working with what I’ve got.

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess I’ll go look but like, that feels like a low blow.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay just by ctrl-f’ing enchant in your ISO it’s clear what you mean

[Gamma Emerald]

no doing it with enchant already did the trick
you were on enchant early and after his scumflip you immediately went to auro as your primary suspect for an enchant buddy. THAT is just a crazy way to be if you're scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
and I guess I'll just scrub my preconceived notions and try to think who of flea/CSF it could be
I don't think it's bee because she also was pretty firmly set against enchant I think???

[Gamma Emerald]

BOI
I have 4 more posts than you (5 after this one)

[Gamma Emerald]

Interactions with Auro mostly, that feels a bit out there for theatre rn
We’ll see when I re-look at them though

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh, what about the fact S_S pushed out Auro based on what we know now as a tracker guilty? Was CSF around to take note of that interaction?

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair enough

[Gamma Emerald]

If I can’t sort stuff out myself by this evening I will

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I know who I want to vote

[Gamma Emerald]

I was going to pursue CSF this day phase (and that was what I wanted to vote yesterday as well) but Bee being alive makes this interesting

[Gamma Emerald]

JFC

[Gamma Emerald]

whats going on i havent read anything

Bee is ascetic cop with innos on you and CSF

[Gamma Emerald]

Yup, he shot SM

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like Titus is the less functional kill for scum!me to make as I should generally be able to keep her in my pocket more effectively than Pooky/Thor

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s also the fact that I wanted to push CSF coming into today and Bee was presumably gonna check CSF

[Gamma Emerald]

but like i was going to push csf and so was titus...so why the inno there?

p-edit

read on

Iirc bee was basically locked into that target

[Gamma Emerald]

Iirc bee was basically locked into that target

why? that's not my understanding

Bee was gonna be forced into targeting Flea if CSF was limmed, thought transitive property maybe was applied
Though I’m curious why CSF was checked over me when people were saying to check me y/day and Bee is now thinking it’s me

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I’d rather get yeeted today because I don’t feel like I’m on equal footing with either of Bee or PP so me being in 3p would just result in me getting miseliminated and town losing

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I’d rather get yeeted today because I don’t feel like I’m on equal footing with either of Bee or PP so me being in 3p would just result in me getting miseliminated and town losing

??

Both of you kinda feel like you have similarly good track records interacting with the flipped scum. I don’t feel like I’d stack up as well, based on how people have looked at me so far yesterday and today.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol - I dislike the self voting or I shouldn’t be in f3 stuff….

There’s at least a logic to mine

[Gamma Emerald]

enchant, thor, flea and midnight are the four people i'm like, constantly and acutely anxious about. i'd rather not tier my townreads rn.

i had this brief strong feeling like flea might be town earlier when fae got really fussy and nitpicky about my asking faer a question, but on reflection i don't think the things fae was picking at were actually trying to discern anything from me and i think that pseudo-guilty rock i got in my gut was because fae was trying to make me slip up. :s

is it weird to put so much emphasis on our interaction to read faer? probably. oh well. i'm a weird person.

pedit: literally kill thor before ELo. please.

Thinking back on NKs tw still seems like the most interesting one for possible scum hunting purposes. House got 1830’d (night killed after pushing a miselim because his charisma had served its purpose), S_S caught scum and Titus...idk.
Obviously this pool only contained 1 scum but I think it might be telling who tried to maybe go after these people is a shady way after tw died

[Gamma Emerald]

I also went for neighborizer

[Gamma Emerald]

Unless CSF brings something interesting up I think I just go with plan A

[Gamma Emerald]

I kinda forgot about this game
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Plan A is just sacking myself because I have zero faith in my ability to outspeak whomever I’d be up against in ELo

[Gamma Emerald]

I either get yeeted today or tomorrow, I'd rather it be today so it doesn't become the game-losing miselim

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think I've ever been in F3 as town
So like, I can't say I de facto hate it, but I'm certain that I wouldn't be able to plead my case well enough to actually convince the decider that it's the other person, I just don't have the mental bandwidth for it

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll say that ydrasse's reaction to my self-vote is better than penguin's

[Gamma Emerald]

If I was feeling 100% I'd probably be more willing to go through with things because in my case I know what I have to do I just have to do it, but I don't trust myself to actually do it this game because my MH has been on the fritz for some time now

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma i'm assuming your ongoing thing with house was about Radio Buzz?


wanna walk me through wtf u were getting at in this convo with house?

I was thinking since I solved him in 5 posts in Radio Buzz I could solve him in about the same here. That was...hotly contested.

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Whatever, if I’m going into 3p I want to actually be ready for it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Pooky pls don’t E-1 Bee until I get a chance to work through something game-wise

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m trying to figure out who is actually pointed to by this but I’m looking at the VC logs and a gamestate narrative is coming into view where Bee and PP both kinda look more suspicious than me
I want Pooky and CSF to look at some of the D1 VCs and tell me if they see what I’m seeing

[Gamma Emerald]

wow you are really getting into it huh

If I’m gonna be made to work for the win I’m not going to just sit back and hope, I’m going to actively try and figure out what indicates it’s someone else over me
As mentioned in my last post, the VCs seem to be showing that scum were playing a certain way that while it’s easy to come to that conclusion FMPOV, it shouldn’t be impossible for others to see it.

[Gamma Emerald]

i also have like 100% readrate on him

Well I hope you’re ready to burn that with hellfire because if you’re voting me over him in 3p you can kiss this 100% penguin read rate goodbye, and I will personally lord that over you for the rest of my days

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m half-tempted to just go for yeeting PP today because both you and CSF seem inclined to blindly trust him

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t, I’m about even on them
I just think if PP is scum and is let into ELo we just lose

[Gamma Emerald]

And hey I was also pretty good at reading Penguin before I took a break from mafia. I want that lorded over me too if I'm wrong.

You’re not claiming 100% readrate on him, are you?

[Gamma Emerald]

And like, I want to win this game, and I most certainly do not want to be sticking people’s noses in their poorly placed trust, but if I have to I will

[Gamma Emerald]

well if you want to do a reverse BOP where you off yourself today and we vote out pengy tomm and if Bee is mafia I get to lord it over you for the rest of time

I would be open to that maybe depending on how certain I feel about bee-scum by the end of my re-read

I am not down for that just yet
The thought process is “Penguin is not a safe choice to be in 3p because if he’s scum the remaining conftown is liable to just go with earlier trust and give him the win”
Idk the exact reverse of that but I don’t think it’s “yeet gamma and then sheep his paranoia in the phase where it is not wise to do so”

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma,

me/csf both have high conviction TRs on Pengy

If you want to override that with your own high conviction SR on Pengy

You gotta pay in blood.

If he's scum, you get all the glory.

If it's Bee you get all the shame.

<3

I don’t have a high conviction SR on Pooky. I have high conviction that your high conviction will be the thing that loses this game for us.

[Gamma Emerald]

Penguin not Pooky, fucking hell

[Gamma Emerald]

Basically I’m not saying you should flip your Penguin read, I’m saying you should wipe your existing read on him clean, and see if you still feel like he’s town after looking at his posting with a blank slate

[Gamma Emerald]

And that’s just if he goes into 3p

[Gamma Emerald]

like - this scrambling at the end when you were previously voting yourself (until you could have been hammered!) seems very performative.

The issue is I knew from Bee’s tone she didn’t intend for me to get hammered and instead was pointing to me as the lim choice in ELo
So I knew I couldn’t let that slide and actually got off my ass to start looking at how I could show it’s not me, and I think I found that out by looking at the VCs

wut?

Yeah you heard me right

[Gamma Emerald]

Something just hit me like a bag of hammers.
Bee is Berserker, Penguin is Alter Ego, CSF is Caster, Pooky is Lancer, I am Assassin
Comprendre, Pooky?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m talking in terms of positioning. And while I wasn’t quite certain of that theory before, I am now.
When I was initially surveying the D1 VCs I noted Bee and PP parked on Enchant for a while. That initially led to me thinking one of them did a “bus buddies and run deep” play. That’s why I had no concrete suspicion between them for a time. Then the time came when the wagons on me and Enchant dissolved simultaneously, and PP lingered on Enchant for another VC before ending up on a vanity wagon for the rest of the day. Then comes D2, where PP immediately votes Auro and then moves to MM when that’s where thread climate is pointing. And during D3, when the final wagon on Auro formed PP was second on that as well. So that cements to idea that PP is replicating Alter Ego’s play in FGO 2 just about perfectly, except he fell off at critical moments.
Bee parallels Berserker!me because shortly before I died I professed a misguided faith that Alter Ego was town. I also think role play wise Bee kinda lines up with me what with the very disappointing cop checks and me being completely out of step with utilizing my abilities “the right way” as Berserker.
The labels of Caster, Assassin, and Lancer all go to who I think are the kill the night before ELo, the one dueling scum in ELo, and the one that decides the outcome, respectively.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: A selection of VCs that I think illustrate what I said about Penguin in my last post

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ManateeGal [4]:

PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald, Miss Midnight, Thor Ragnarok

Enchant [3]:

Titus, the worst, Harvey and Haley

the worst [2]:

Cat Scratch Fever, ManateeGal

Flea The Magician [1]:

Bee

Titus [1]:

Enchant

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, House

mod notes

~ everyone has confirmed!

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vote count 1.06

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yeet

ManateeGal [4]:

PenguinPower, Miss Midnight, Thor Ragnarok, House

Enchant [3]:

Titus, the worst, Harvey and Haley

House [2]:

ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald

the worst [1]:

Cat Scratch Fever

Flea The Magician [1]:

Bee

Titus [1]:

Enchant

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ boop

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vote count 1.08

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yeet

Thor Ragnarok [3]:

Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst

House [3]:

ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald, Bee

Gamma Emerald [2]:

House, Harvey and Haley

Cat Scratch Fever [2]:

Thor Ragnarok, Enchant

Enchant [1]:

Titus

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

ManateeGal [1]:

PenguinPower

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ thanks for the kind wishes <3

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vote count 1.09

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

House [5]:

ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald, Bee, PenguinPower, Harvey and Haley

Thor Ragnarok [4]:

Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst, Titus

Gamma Emerald [1]:

House

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Enchant

Miss Midnight [1]:

Thor Ragnarok

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ ribbit

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vote count 1.10

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

House [4]:

ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower, Harvey and Haley

Thor Ragnarok [4]:

Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst, Titus

Miss Midnight [2]:

Thor Ragnarok, Bee

Gamma Emerald [1]:

House

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Enchant

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.11

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Thor Ragnarok [5]:

Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst, Titus, PenguinPower

House [3]:

ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald, Harvey and Haley

Miss Midnight [2]:

Thor Ragnarok, Bee

Gamma Emerald [1]:

House

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Enchant

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

flavour

vote count 1.12

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Thor Ragnarok [5]:

Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst, Titus, PenguinPower

House [2]:

ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald

Miss Midnight [1]:

Thor Ragnarok

Gamma Emerald [1]:

House

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Enchant

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

Enchant [1]:

Bee

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Harvey and Haley

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.13

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Thor Ragnarok [3]:

Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst

Enchant [3]:

Bee, Titus, PenguinPower

House [2]:

ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald

Miss Midnight [1]:

Thor Ragnarok

Gamma Emerald [1]:

House

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Enchant

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Harvey and Haley

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.16

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Enchant [4]:

Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal

Miss Midnight [3]:

Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever, Harvey and Haley

Thor Ragnarok [2]:

Miss Midnight, the worst

Harvey and Haley [2]:

Flea The Magician, Gamma Emerald

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Enchant

ManateeGal [1]:

House

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.19

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Enchant [4]:

Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal

Gamma Emerald [4]:

Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok, Harvey and Haley

Miss Midnight [3]:

Cat Scratch Fever, House, Gamma Emerald

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Enchant

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

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~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.20

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Gamma Emerald [5]:

Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok, Harvey and Haley, Enchant

Enchant [4]:

Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal

Miss Midnight [3]:

Cat Scratch Fever, House, Gamma Emerald

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

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~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.21

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Gamma Emerald [6]:

Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok, Harvey and Haley, Enchant, Cat Scratch Fever

Enchant [4]:

Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal

ManateeGal [2]:

House, Gamma Emerald

Harvey and Haley [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.24

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Gamma Emerald [6]:

Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok, Auro, Cat Scratch Fever, Flea The Magician

Enchant [6]:

Bee, PenguinPower, ManateeGal, House, Gamma Emerald, Titus

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Enchant

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.25

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

ManateeGal [4]:

Bee, Gamma Emerald, Thor Ragnarok, the worst

Gamma Emerald [3]:

Miss Midnight, Auro, Flea The Magician

Flea The Magician [2]:

Titus, Cat Scratch Fever

Enchant [2]:

PenguinPower, ManateeGal

Miss Midnight [1]:

House

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Enchant

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.26

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

ManateeGal [6]:

Bee, Gamma Emerald, Thor Ragnarok, the worst, Flea The Magician, PenguinPower

Miss Midnight [2]:

House, Auro

Flea The Magician [1]:

Cat Scratch Fever

Gamma Emerald [1]:

Miss Midnight

Enchant [1]:

ManateeGal

Thor Ragnarok [1]

Titus

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Enchant

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.28

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

ManateeGal [5]:

Bee, Gamma Emerald, the worst, House, Cat Scratch Fever

Miss Midnight [2]:

Auro, PenguinPower

Gamma Emerald [2]:

Miss Midnight, Thor Ragnarok

Enchant [1]:

ManateeGal

Thor Ragnarok [1]

Titus

Titus [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Enchant

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.29

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Enchant [5]:

House, the worst, ManateeGal, Auro, Gamma Emerald

Titus [3]:

Flea The Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever

ManateeGal [2]:

Bee, Enchant

Miss Midnight [1]:

PenguinPower

Gamma Emerald [1]:

Miss Midnight

Thor Ragnarok [1]

Titus

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.30

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Enchant [5]:

the worst, ManateeGal, Auro, Gamma Emerald, Miss Midnight

Titus [5]:

Flea The Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever, House, Enchant

ManateeGal [1]:

Bee

Miss Midnight [1]:

PenguinPower

Thor Ragnarok [1]

Titus

not voting [1]:

Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.31

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Enchant [6]:

the worst, ManateeGal, Auro, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Bee

Titus [5]:

Flea The Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever, House, Enchant

Miss Midnight [1]:

PenguinPower

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Miss Midnight

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 1.final

with 14 votes in play, it took 8 to make a decision. day 1 ended.

yeet

Enchant [8]:

the worst, ManateeGal, Auro, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Bee, Cat Scratch Fever, House

[HAMMER]

Titus [3]:

Flea The Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Enchant

Miss Midnight [1]:

PenguinPower

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Miss Midnight

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 2.01

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-09-13 03:15:00).

yeet

Auro [1]:

PenguinPower

Thor Ragnarok [1]:

Cat Scratch Fever

Miss Midnight [1]:

House

not voting [9]:

Flea the Magician, Something_Smart, Thor Ragnarok, Miss Midnight, Gamma Emerald, ManateeGal, Auro, Titus, Bee

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

flavour

vote count 2.02

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-09-13 03:15:00).

yeet

Miss Midnight [4]:

PenguinPower, House, ManateeGal, Cat Scratch Fever

Thor Ragnarok [1]:

Auro

not voting [7]:

Flea the Magician, Something_Smart, Thor Ragnarok, Miss Midnight, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Bee

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

flavour

vote count 2.03

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-09-13 03:15:00).

yeet

Miss Midnight [4]:

PenguinPower, House, ManateeGal, Cat Scratch Fever

Thor Ragnarok [2]:

Auro, Gamma Emerald

PenguinPower [1]:

Something_Smart

not voting [5]:

Flea the Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Miss Midnight, Titus, Bee

mod notes

~ i'm not counting 2547, as georgebailey is immune to all lethal forces known to man, which includes yeeting.
~ this vc was made after a sleepless night with just thesp's vote counter while phoneposting, because i currently do not have the time to turn my laptop on and reread the game from the last vc. please let me know if there are errors. this mod note is about 95% an excuse to complain about insomnia.
~ dual mod iso

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vote count 2.05

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-09-13 03:15:00).

yeet

Miss Midnight [5]:

PenguinPower, ManateeGal, Cat Scratch Fever, Bee, Gamma Emerald

Auro [2]:

Titus, Thor Ragnarok

Something_Smart [2]:

Flea The Magician, House

Thor Ragnarok [1]:

Auro

PenguinPower [1]:

Something_Smart

not voting [1]:

Miss Midnight

mod notes

~ still making these only via the automatic vote counter, lemme know if there are errors.
~ dual mod iso

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vote count 2.final

with 12 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 2 ended.

yeet

Miss Midnight [7]:

PenguinPower, ManateeGal, Cat Scratch Fever, Bee, Gamma Emerald, Thor Ragnarok, House

[HAMMER]

Auro [1]:

Titus

Something_Smart [1]:

Flea The Magician

Thor Ragnarok [1]:

Auro

not voting [2]:

Miss Midnight, Something_Smart

mod notes

~ dual mod iso

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vote count 3.03

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-09-17 13:00:00).

yeet

Something_Smart [4]:

Flea the Magician, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower, Auro

Bee [1]:

Something_Smart

not voting [5]:

ManateeGal, Titus, Bee, Thor Ragnarok, Gamma Emerald

mod notes

~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ dual mod iso

flavour

vote count 3.04

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-09-17 13:00:00).

yeet

Something_Smart [2]:

Cat Scratch Fever, Auro

Bee [1]:

Something_Smart

Auro [1]:

Titus

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [5]:

ManateeGal, Bee, Thor Ragnarok, Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower

mod notes

~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ dual mod iso

flavour

vote count 3.05

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-09-17 13:00:00).

yeet

Auro [3]:

Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal

Something_Smart [2]:

Cat Scratch Fever, Auro

Bee [1]:

Something_Smart

Cat Scratch Fever [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [3]:

Bee, Thor Ragnarok, Gamma Emerald,

mod notes

~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ dual mod iso

flavour

vote count 3.06

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-09-17 13:00:00).

yeet

Auro [2]:

Titus, PenguinPower

Something_Smart [2]:

Cat Scratch Fever, Auro

Bee [2]:

Something_Smart, Flea The Magician

not voting [4]:

Bee, Thor Ragnarok, Gamma Emerald, StrangeMatter

mod notes

~ StrangeMatter is the new ManateeGal
~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ gamma emerald v/la till the 24th
~ i'm currently sick, apologies if mod response times slow down
~ dual mod iso

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vote count 3.07

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-09-17 13:00:00).

yeet

Auro [4]:

Titus, PenguinPower, Something_Smart, Gamma Emerald

Something_Smart [2]:

Cat Scratch Fever, Auro

Bee [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [3]:

Bee, Thor Ragnarok, StrangeMatter

mod notes

~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ gamma emerald v/la till the 24th
~ i'm currently sick, apologies if mod response times slow down
~ dual mod iso

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vote count 3.final

with 10 votes in play, it took 6 to make a decision. day 3 ended.

yeet

Auro [6]:

Titus, PenguinPower, Something_Smart, Gamma Emerald, StrangeMatter, Bee

[HAMMER]

Something_Smart [2]:

Cat Scratch Fever, Auro

Bee [1]:

Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:

Thor Ragnarok

mod notes

~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ gamma emerald v/la till the 24th
~ i'm currently sick, apologies if mod response times slow down
~ dual mod iso

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VOTE: Penguin
At this point I’m pretty well locked in on this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bee parallels Berserker!me because shortly before I died I professed a misguided faith that Alter Ego was town.

To expand on this I recall also saying to yeet Rider, which I think has a more tangible parallel in Bee voting me as her last expression of suspicion, meanwhile the misplaced faith moreso applies to Pooky/CSF

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think that’s even necessary. Switching meta gears here, I feel like Enchant tried to paint the me vs. him as similar to him vs. SS in Radio Buzz.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fine then. I’m okay with the paying in blood portion. I’m not okay with you lording it over me if I’m wrong. I’m not the one who expressed 100% read rate on anybody.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you actually think Bee is scum?