Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[PenguinPower]

There was a literal viable counter that could have gone through with minimal-minor suspicion.

[PenguinPower]

I think you’re town so I’ll chalk it up to pride.

[PenguinPower]

Gamma wasn’t the counter….

[PenguinPower]

Yeah. VCs are hilarious.

[PenguinPower]

I’m sure Titus thought so too before claiming.

[PenguinPower]

Look. Catch up on reality and the. Come back to the thread. Thanks.

[PenguinPower]

Enchant pulled off after Audi’s fake hammer and earned towncred which dismantled the wagon.

Geez…if only there were a reason.

[PenguinPower]

It absolutely does not…..

You can piss off house.

[PenguinPower]

That’s fair. Also noticed that House was on Titus before the unvote and hammer so I rescind the town read for now.

[PenguinPower]

Gamma wasn’t the counter….

As if Titus was an actual lim possibility on d1.

You're funny.

What a waste of a vote on the counter to scum then.

You’re funny.

[PenguinPower]

Mmm…fair

[PenguinPower]

Not a solid reason but fair.

[PenguinPower]

Why?

[PenguinPower]

That’s s_s’s day 1 as much as it irritates me. There is better reasoning out there for others atm.

[PenguinPower]

That’s s_s’s day 1 as much as it irritates me. There is better reasoning out there for others atm.

I... I feel like I'm used to you being harder on me than this? Maybe it's just that I've rolled scum against you a lot?

I’m not townreading you atm! But, you do it as either alignment and my sample size has grown. D1 is a pass. D2 forward isn’t.

[PenguinPower]

Mmmm

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: MM

[PenguinPower]

Enchant pulled off after Audi’s fake hammer and earned towncred which dismantled the wagon.

What are you trying to say with this?

I thought it was clear. Auro’s fake hammer on you allowed Enchant to unvote which then led to people saying “oh scum wouldn’t act defeated like that” and then unvote Enchant to the point it was no longer a wagon.

[PenguinPower]

Same tbh.

[PenguinPower]

If you reveal your main I'll probably unvote you ftr.

mmmmm

[PenguinPower]

I mean - if it’s an established scammer you have no idea the reasons why so maybe let it go and actually do something game related.

[PenguinPower]

Boop

[PenguinPower]

Like - that’s a stupid thing to fake as either alignment.

[PenguinPower]

Since you brought it up I’ll just throw out the reminder that I can’t use knowledge I gain during my job as a listmod as an advantage in games.

[PenguinPower]

Eh - I’m on mobile. I had not idea it autocorrected.

[PenguinPower]

I find it hard to believe as genuine even if this is someone who decided to play their first game outside the newbie queue. Also, that’s a bad reason to make it a serious read. nk’s can be made for a variety of reasons one of which is to create that wifom.

[PenguinPower]

I find it hard to believe as genuine even if this is someone who decided to play their first game outside the newbie queue. Also, that’s a bad reason to make it a serious read. nk’s can be made for a variety of reasons one of which is to create that wifom.

In this case, i disagree.

ducky was suspicious about Thor, Enchant, MM, and flea on d1.

They were right about Enchant.

Who are the 2 primary scumspects, today?

I'm sold on ducky being nk'ed for accuracy. It's not like they didn't have an outed, non-contested PR to shoot. Even if UB isn't particularly helpful to us right this second, it can force them to kill her at an inopportune time later once she inherits a decent power, at which point it might be too late.

Scum needs a reason not to shoot an outed PR. Accurate reads tops that list.

It’s definitely a reasonable assumption, though an assumption that can be manipulated nonetheless.

[PenguinPower]

Also that assumes the outed PR is town but that’s for a later time.

[PenguinPower]

Though a UB is never a N1 kill.

[PenguinPower]

You’re probably right.

[PenguinPower]

Though a UB is never a N1 kill.

Eh - also one outed PR with a potential doc rand means scum is shooting elsewhere.

[PenguinPower]

And scum would know if they didn’t get the choice.

[PenguinPower]

Titus got neighborizer though right?

I'll try to check in tonight but it's date night. I may not be back and active before deadline. For that reason, I will claim. I'm the universal backup.

Would be fun if you decided to play the game instead of alt guess and lolvote.

[PenguinPower]

Yes.

[PenguinPower]

Solid steal, house.

[PenguinPower]

I’m not?

[PenguinPower]

Wowowow who am I voting?

[PenguinPower]

Thank you. Seems to be in duck’s pool, no?

[PenguinPower]

I just think there are better reasons to scumread Thor than the shady alt-based rhetoric.

I agree!

[PenguinPower]

Titus got neighborizer when Enchant died, I mean.

UB typically works on roles of the same alignment
Idk about the functionality in this setup though

It’s in the OP that it’s the first PR. Not distinctive as to alignment.

[PenguinPower]

Am I misremembering? I thought he was the one who argued that Thor was scummy for messing up mechanics. And now you're pushing back against it, but you didn't push against it yesterday.

I disagree with him as to the use of mechanics, not the read.

[PenguinPower]

Pretty sure that my comment was clear. I disagree with his mechanics angle not the end result of his read.

[PenguinPower]

Boop

[PenguinPower]

Using an alt status to force in game actions via an ultimatum feel gross to me but isn’t currently against the rules.

[PenguinPower]

Miss Scum is ~9 hours from prod 3. Can we just elim and move on?

[PenguinPower]

The continued pressure to do so when it’s obvious he doesn’t want to is gross.

[PenguinPower]

Not a discussion for this game. Sure.

[PenguinPower]

Seems to me that you are bringing in account status as an in game reason. Again. Probably not a discussion for this game.

[PenguinPower]

I can.

[PenguinPower]

Cheap shot, Dats.

[PenguinPower]

MM today, Thor tomorrow.

plskthx

[PenguinPower]

I'd rather have whichever one isn't eliminated today vigged tonight if town has the role.

That's fine too. MM today though.

[PenguinPower]

I just re-watched that last night. Great movie.

[PenguinPower]

third

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Miss Midnight
That’s E-2

E-1.

[PenguinPower]

So close y'all. Let's hammer this home.

[PenguinPower]

lol - you think MM is going to show up to claim

[PenguinPower]

i doubt thor will shoot himself...could shoot Auro though!

[PenguinPower]

lol - you think MM is going to show up to claim

Either her or her replacement should.

i guess we can just disagree on that point

[PenguinPower]

le sigh

[PenguinPower]

i'm impatient

[PenguinPower]

In case I get vigged -> remember that my spicy take is Penguin scum.

I don't remember you having this take at all. What is the basis for it?

That's why I added the adjective "spicy"

Penguin's poor logic in his attack on me, and his further pushes without acknowledging arguments against it.

it's not poor logic though

theory vs. application and all that.

[PenguinPower]

Forget theory - application wise that possibility is a stretch.

Application-wise, it's what happened.

This was not the primary counter anyway, which was that I fakehammer every game when I see the chance. I do it multiple times in the same game.

You establishing a meta of fakehammering doesn't impact that actual reason behind you doing so. If anything, it creates a shield that allows you to say just this.

[PenguinPower]

I just don't think the fakehammer is the smoking gun PP believes it to be.

I don't think it's a smoking gun otherwise I would be tunneled there. I do think it is

evidence

though.

[PenguinPower]

Except I find value in fakehammers for the reactions they draw (and it's also fun), which are the "actual" reasons I pull them off. I didn't establish the meta for the sake of establishing that meta, it's something I do because of those exact reasons every time.

Why ignore that and instead post-hoc reason that since Enchant

happened

to get a few town points for his reaction to a reaction (which is contrived), it's more probable that I planned it so?

Well - one - I'm not familiar with that meta as far as I can recall, though we haven't played a lot together. So, eh. Two, that requires me to believe you which requires me to think you're town so, eh. Three, because your stated theory isn't what happened in reality, and given that we now know that Enchant was scum I should look back at things that happened around his wagon. That's kinda the game unlesss you just want me to lolvote the whole time.

[PenguinPower]

My stated theory is what happened in reality if Gamma is town: my fakehammer drew a reaction from him which dismantled the wagon on him and ultimately led to a scum elimination.

If this is what you believe happened it's a waste of time to speak to you.

[PenguinPower]

This is verifiable meta, you don't have the requirement of needing to think I'm town to believe said meta.

Coolio - verify it for me pls.

[PenguinPower]

I must like duck a lot and hate you.

Or, I didn’t see them and find this funny. Geez lots of people “ignored” duck or maybe D1 was over 2000 posts long.

[PenguinPower]

Like - if I’m scum I did myself a disservice killing duck.

[PenguinPower]

Hmmm

[PenguinPower]

Boop, dats.

[PenguinPower]

So prominent that everyone kinda ignored him.

[PenguinPower]

And just think, if it had been one post later I might never have noticed it again. Take that, pagetop fans.

Why do you read page bottoms but not page tops?

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: miss midnight
Continuing where he left off

[PenguinPower]

Because he hammered without a claim twice?

He could have singlehandedly lost us the game if either of them had been a strong PR. And probably he would have continued to do harm if left alive.

Seems like an odd kill for scum given that logic!

[PenguinPower]

Not an outright claim but a blatant soft.

[PenguinPower]

Who also didn't do what he was supposed to do.

[PenguinPower]

Not an outright claim but a blatant soft.

"I have kill power" is a little more than a soft....

Not really a hard claim given there are three roles in this game that he could be referring to. I said "blatant" soft for a reason.

[PenguinPower]

Or he's mafia, and wasn't lying when he said he has kill power, and is laughing at all of us now

Ok - four roles.

[PenguinPower]

i hate you

[PenguinPower]

I have the power to kill and I'm willing to direct my shot based on what town thinks is best.

Seems more hard than soft.

If only there were a vig role that couldn't shoot till a specific night, that might explain why he hasn't shot yet...

If only I said "blatant" for a reason. It's not a "hard" claim and yes I will argue semantics with you over anything else because I'm petty like that.

[PenguinPower]

Then I was right when I said three!

[PenguinPower]

especially if scum is in the neighborhood

[PenguinPower]

Titus is suggesting that House was the vig kill not the scum kill. She saying the scum kill got blocked.

[PenguinPower]

possible but house was a bad vig shot.

[PenguinPower]

possible but house was a bad vig shot.

House had terrible reads and his hammers

House was obvtown and hammered one scum and one town....

[PenguinPower]

Unless you care to elucidate on how you know his others reads are bad?

[PenguinPower]

Mmm - sorry Takes of Arise came out yesterday and I’ve been preoccupied.

Let’s try this

VOTE: s_s

[PenguinPower]

mmm

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Auro

[PenguinPower]

Thoughts on who I shoot for each of the possible wagon cases and flips?

E.g: Auro flips town, I shoot ____
Auro flips scum, I shoot ____

Who do you think should flip?

[PenguinPower]

Don’t townread but wagon went up too fast/don’t like Auro’s vote.

[PenguinPower]

What are yours?

[PenguinPower]

I mentioned my scumread of S_S in 2995

half a day before the vote

, and also described it later when CSF asked. What exactly did you dislike about this?

This part coupled with the vote 7 minutes after mine to make it an E-2 wagon.

[PenguinPower]

S_S is annoying in how he approached me. I don’t know if this translates to scummy but it probably does.

For what it's worth, I think it doesn't. I'm much more of a pain in the ass as town.

I... honestly don’t know. You’re genuinely the hardest person for me to read on site for some reason, or one of them.

this tbh.

[PenguinPower]

Wait…what. Who is Alchemist?

[PenguinPower]

Hi

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

I have no clue what Manatee was voting Auro for and I don't get why they were parked.

Why do you call it “parked?”

[PenguinPower]

Somebody please talk to me about something. I'm really not picky.

Macaroni or Gentoo?

[PenguinPower]

Auro and Flea atm.

[PenguinPower]

Who are your bottom 2 reads rn?

Bee and, uh, Auro maybe?

I guess CSF leading on me is probably > rand town. I want to say PP but he'll get pissy, honestly that's the main reason I didn't.

how dare you learn to play the game how can you be so bad your horrible no good very bad mafia player

[PenguinPower]

Auro and Flea atm.

I dare you to elaborate.

that's a good one...you are funny

[PenguinPower]

Nice

Assuming Auro flips scum, opinions on who I should shoot?

Flea

[PenguinPower]

I like Strange as a shot. They're fairly unlikely to turn the slot around and also unlikely to be a PR.

fine with this as well ig

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

Kewl, I knew I should've fking kept on Auro -.-;

Eugh will revisit my reads at some point. I just got post that pissed me off.

[PenguinPower]

lol

[PenguinPower]

I think going Flea/Thor just wins the game.

Why Thor?

[PenguinPower]

I highly doubt I’m gonna yeet Flea this game

Why’s that? Flea has yet to come across towny at all.

[PenguinPower]

Kewl, I knew I should've fking kept on Auro -.-;

Eugh will revisit my reads at some point. I just got post that pissed me off.

this b scummy post

[PenguinPower]

Disagree. At least have done more than you

[PenguinPower]

Bad memory then.

[PenguinPower]

Yes. I love to push all of my teammates for the entirety of the game and bus my remaining buddy on D3 for shits and giggles. You are super smart. Damn that was a good list.

[PenguinPower]

Fun note though: that’s the type of list scum would make

[PenguinPower]

Fun note though: that’s the type of list scum would make

[PenguinPower]

Don’t care about your takes. Care about your vote.

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

Will start spamposting gifs in the morning. I can’t be expected to meet prod conditions if I have nothing to respond to.

[PenguinPower]

Ah hell. I was going to home off but why not?

VOTE: flea

[PenguinPower]

Boop.

[PenguinPower]

lol - wut?

[PenguinPower]

I feel like you aren't even attempting to read the game. Maybe you could explain to me what the strategy of pushing my whole team nets for me?

[PenguinPower]

Or maybe...and just hear me out on this...maybe the person who hasn't pushed scum except for early RVS nonsense (that actually is scum indicative) and hopping off Auro yesterday and then being like "well shucks I

knew

I should have stayed on Auro" is just scum?

maybe.

[PenguinPower]

also how does Auro's flip make Thor miselim bait?

[PenguinPower]

it's cool gamma - i routinely ask questions that i don't really want an answer to so don't worry about it

[PenguinPower]

mmmm - oh spicy

[PenguinPower]

Oh!! I didn't mean like "I'm not gonna out them until E3 or tomorrow" I just meant more like... ~48 hours to deadline to see if anyone pushed a wagon that I had an inno on or something. Waiting another dayphase would be the big throw.

feels like waiting is a waste of time given current state of wagons and the game

[PenguinPower]

Why did you check each of us?

mmm...yeah ^

[PenguinPower]

also said she town read thor yesterday

boop

[PenguinPower]

also said that d2...hmmm

[PenguinPower]

So for Thor I checked him because I wanted confirmation that he was town that I could actually like tell people was real beyond just my word? I thought he was town here but like me saying that doesn’t mean anything if I die and it’s only ever been my word for it and someone pushes him like “well she was wrong on her read.”

For Titus I checked her if you look at back at my posts yesterday, I couldn’t get over the doubt that I had there and I got caught up on thinking about the double meme pick because in reality it is more likely to get you a middle of the packish place because repeats happen bu beyond that without her here as much I was like what if she threw me a townread at the beginning and hoped I’d go with it?

Also I wasn’t ever going to check someone like Flea which might seem dumb since we came into today thinking about that elim but Flea isn’t playing to be a deepwolf or anything if fae is scum and isn’t someone who would be a fight to get elimmed just off of a acumread and not hard results. So Titus felt better than Gamma/CSF, who I think are a little townier by play.

*noticing a distinct lack of penguins being mentioned*

and me? you had a scumread on me from day 1 as far as I can tell.

[PenguinPower]

i'm not sure how that reasoning plays into any of your checks pre-today.

[PenguinPower]

right - and I'm saying I don't think this dichotomy you speak of existed pre-today

[PenguinPower]

meh - vcs make me think you are town so I'm probably done pushing on this

[PenguinPower]

depends who we end up yeeting today

what's your preference there?

[PenguinPower]

I could ask you the same Gamma. Oh wait...I kinda did - being ignored is fun. You should ignore that question, Thor.

[PenguinPower]

No? You're the one saying that I "don't feel town" but you've given no reasons as to why and you ignore anything I say in response. If you aren't even looking at my interactions, and don't care to discuss, then your basically just making up a bunch of bull. Not sure why you want to make up a bunch of bull, gamma.

[PenguinPower]

Yep yep. I sure haven’t been on any scum wagons just like flea. Yep yep.

Try reading instead of relying on your “recollection” and definitely not your gut.

[PenguinPower]

Not even just me saying your wrong. This is beyond lazy on your part.

[PenguinPower]

you’re*

[PenguinPower]

Nope I was right. Don’t know why I miscorrected that.

[PenguinPower]

Sorry that I’m calling it like I see it? Don’t see how it’s a low blow when I’ve had to spend a lot of effort for you to even engage.

[PenguinPower]

You can do the same with Auro.

[PenguinPower]

Then obviously my next two items are going to be:

- unvote me then?
- now who?

[PenguinPower]

Agree on bee. That’s why I stopped pushing (and said so) after a vc review - though I still don’t disagree with Titus’ sentiment there should we reach that point.

[PenguinPower]

Welp - flea is about to hit second prod. Thor needs to explain gamma. Titus needs to decide what she’s going to do since she apparently no longer wants Flea. Bee needs to choose a path. CSF is cool.

What a world when I’m the most active one without gifing.

[PenguinPower]

I’m obviously talking about this day phase….

[PenguinPower]

Still self-hammering, still on PP. I've seen scum pull this level of gambit before (Yellowstone) and I'm unfamiliar with their busing habits

lol - read another way - "Scum that weren't Penguin have done this before somewhere and I don't know how Penguin would play so that definitely means he's scum"

At least effort a little bit.

[PenguinPower]

yw

[PenguinPower]

Bah, though 3377 was e-1 so you lot could actually look at the game isntead of draggin feet.

maybe you could look at this one since, ya'know, it's the one we're actually playing.

[PenguinPower]

If it ain't PP, it's CSF. My vote will go on those two or myself.

See - now we're aligning. If it ain't you, it's CSF.

[PenguinPower]

Based on VCA, Titus?

[PenguinPower]

Can we pls get more votes on flea? nothing productive is happening atm.

[PenguinPower]

probably because she's arguing i should be considered #3 town behind your two confirmed town

[PenguinPower]

hype

[PenguinPower]

cool - vote

[PenguinPower]

for you dats

[PenguinPower]

This is auto if we yeet one of me or gamma today, right?

Two innos + cop going into f3? Either cop dies and it’s two innos plus scum or cop lives and it’s two innos + scum.

[PenguinPower]

Ah nah. In the second scenario bee just claims a guilty on town if scum.

[PenguinPower]

pooky!

[PenguinPower]

bee's scum no?

[PenguinPower]

but like i was going to push csf and so was titus...so why the inno there?

p-edit

read on

[PenguinPower]

So for Thor I checked him because I wanted confirmation that he was town that I could actually like tell people was real beyond just my word? I thought he was town here but like me saying that doesn’t mean anything if I die and it’s only ever been my word for it and someone pushes him like “well she was wrong on her read.”

For Titus I checked her if you look at back at my posts yesterday, I couldn’t get over the doubt that I had there and I got caught up on thinking about the double meme pick because in reality it is more likely to get you a middle of the packish place because repeats happen bu beyond that without her here as much I was like what if she threw me a townread at the beginning and hoped I’d go with it?

Also I wasn’t ever going to check someone like Flea which might seem dumb since we came into today thinking about that elim but Flea isn’t playing to be a deepwolf or anything if fae is scum and isn’t someone who would be a fight to get elimmed just off of a acumread and not hard results. So Titus felt better than Gamma/CSF, who I think are a little townier by play.

[PenguinPower]

what's your favorite kinda of sushi?

[PenguinPower]

that was at pooky

[PenguinPower]

ahhhhhhh - if you weren't already conf!town you are now

[PenguinPower]

Iirc bee was basically locked into that target

why? that's not my understanding

[PenguinPower]

meh - the good sushi places are in toyosu or tsukiji

[PenguinPower]

Though I’m curious why CSF was checked over me when people were saying to check me y/day and Bee is now thinking it’s me

that was my point

[PenguinPower]

pengy is it time to drink some japanese whisky and solve this game

am doing so!

[PenguinPower]

i miss japan

that place is the best

too bad they closed it off from foreigners

yeah....

[PenguinPower]

I have not had that - I must have that

[PenguinPower]

well since fmpov one of gamma/bee ends it I'm fine with either iteration

[PenguinPower]

you really don't have a preference for which one?

See my post from beginning of the day. Probably bee since I misunderstood my logic but not really since it’s one or the other.

[PenguinPower]

Lol - I dislike the self voting or I shouldn’t be in f3 stuff….

[PenguinPower]

Lol

[PenguinPower]

Can’t wait to see what csf has to say…

Wish we could have chatted Titus.

[PenguinPower]

Can’t wait to see what csf has to say…

[PenguinPower]

Neighborizer.

Not sure how that helps things but ok.

[PenguinPower]

til everyone at the bottom will go for neighborizer because, assumedly, they think that no one will go for neighorizer.

w i l d i n d e e d

[PenguinPower]

does this mean you think gamma is town

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mechanically it's gamma or bee so....

[PenguinPower]

Dirty move in a slow moving phase.

[PenguinPower]

Which is?

[PenguinPower]

Plan A?

[PenguinPower]

Eh - that logic doesn’t track.

[PenguinPower]

Also I’m probably going to rage if gamma actually is town because pls don’t vote yourself if town and flea already did it.

[PenguinPower]

I’m a level 3 ancestral barbarian.

[PenguinPower]

Which?

Not voting gamma because you’re dying today.

[PenguinPower]

How little you know me

[PenguinPower]

I’ve been pretty apparent for the duration of my mafia career in expressing that I think words don’t matter only votes do. It’s why I love wagons.

[PenguinPower]

Sorry dats. At least that was content.

[PenguinPower]

I really don’t get why you are refusing to vote someone you think is scum and instead expending effort defending you not voting.

[PenguinPower]

You want you to die today even though you think he is scum?

[PenguinPower]

Also these aren’t minor details so brush up on vocab.

[PenguinPower]

Meh. Fine.

[PenguinPower]

Fine by me.

[PenguinPower]

Oh no. That’s three unconfirmed people. One of them must be scum.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah. I kinda want to elim gamma but whatever you and csf want to do is fine.