Micro 1028: True Love (Game over)

[Wisdom]

hai
How do you guys feel about claiming lovers?

[Wisdom]

Ive played it three times, all times we claimed D1 yeah

[Wisdom]

Are you and the bunny alts? Sure looks that way

[Wisdom]

Also that goes vice versa, you have an extra tool for reading bunny which you should use and help us read it

[Wisdom]

How do you feel about it immediately claiming you're its lover?

[Wisdom]

Would you have claimed it if it hadn't? You didn't give us your opinion about claiming lovers

[Wisdom]

Yet Dunn didn't claim

[Wisdom]

Yeah the point was that you said you trust Dunn's mech skills so you would claim (if I understood correctly) but Dunn didn't claim so you probably shouldn't either if you trust Dunn

[Wisdom]

Yeah the point was that you said you trust Dunn's mech skills so you would claim (if I understood correctly) but Dunn didn't claim so you probably shouldn't either if you trust Dunn

But he said that people should claim

So did I but neither of us have claimed

Because a little discussion before it doesn't hurt

[Wisdom]

I'm assuming they do if Ari knows about Dunn being good at mech

[Wisdom]

Why do you think it is not beneficial?

[Wisdom]

Right, and why is cows scum?

[Wisdom]

By presence you mean the one post he made about claiming?

[Wisdom]

Yes he's prolly town
I liked that he found my posting odd, most people do in their first contact with me but scum are less willing to push it

[Wisdom]

defending of cows

To be clear I just wanted to know your reason for calling him scum so confidently, I wasn't defending him and I'm not townreading him

[Wisdom]

why do those words make you think "town" ?

Those words make me think bunny's feelings/mood is happy, like they're calm, they're here to enjoy the game? Its a strech I know, but its why I think it's town

You do know there are players who enjoy being scum, yes?

[Wisdom]

Eh, the player itself doesn't factor too much into this read. This tone in general is town

How? You're saying the tone is town because bunny looks happy
How does happiness mean town?

[Wisdom]

This disucsiion is based on semantics over a read I had thats not even that strong(I said it was tonal/gut)and I think its pointless.

Fair

[Wisdom]

By the way another important note in this setup: Once we identify a town/town pair, we win. Scum need to eliminate both. So make use of your pts and townhunt

[Wisdom]

cows can u expand on what u meant in 54

if me and dunn are scum and i continue to rule out dunn pairs then eventually i'll "box myself in" and have only myself as paired with dunn

W

scum cannot be paired as lovers
idr whether that's been the case in the past but in this game thats distinctly impossible

By paired he means scumbuddies I believe

[Wisdom]

bunny your posts are just vague statements
Do you have any reads or anything of value to say?

[Wisdom]

I like the cows/hockey discussion for t/t

The rest of you need to town it up more

[Wisdom]

VOTE: bunny

Lets get some wagons going actually, they might help

[Wisdom]

Oh do talk about that

What do they do as scum?

[Wisdom]

What about hockey?

[Wisdom]

vibey triple post with no commitment

The only redtea scumgame I could find was this, given you said they rolled scum

again

will I find triple posts with no commitment there? Or do you know them from elsewhere?

[Wisdom]

How do you feel about his tonal read on you?

[Wisdom]

Why, does it impede you from scumhunting?

[Wisdom]

Have you played with town-them too? Are they more comfortable there?

[Wisdom]

ok
Do you have any other "feelings" about people?

[Wisdom]

its kinda making something out of nothing, i would have very likely posted the same opening as scum
which as i say that i can see rationale for that being a town behavior

if it makes you ever so slightly more secure about hockey i voiced the same gut read in PT

I assume you're not lover with Hockey then

that'd be great

[Wisdom]

I'm with redtea

Therefore we have

bunny - Aristeia
Wisdom - redtea
cows - Dunn
N_M - Hockey

[Wisdom]

Hard to get a solid T/T pair from those. I don't recall Dunn or N_M ever townbleeding in a game. Really hoping redtea will become better because their presence in the pt is as bad it is in the thread

[Wisdom]

gun to head reads is that the scum-town pairs are bnuuy-ari and wisdom-red

I think I'm actually ok with this solve rn

You mean you're scumreading bunny?

[Wisdom]

I wouldn't be scum-reading myself

duh
Do you have to say so little every time?
I obviously asked you because I want to know why you're scumreading it

[Wisdom]

a factor in this is the fact that they've played this setup thrice, while i'm unaware of what alignment he was in those 3 games because i haven't looked back, i'm fairly sure he knows what route to take both as town and scum to secure a win

Here they are, for your convenience
I was town in all of them, won 2 of them

[Wisdom]

2 slots vs 1 is a quite big difference bunny, don't try to shrug it off as minor
It's way easier to locktown your own pair over other pairs

[Wisdom]

Speaking of N_M, I'm reminding anyone who may not know that he likes to hammer without warning so treat your E-1s as hammers around him

[Wisdom]

cows can u expand on what u meant in 54

if me and dunn are scum and i continue to rule out dunn pairs then eventually i'll "box myself in" and have only myself as paired with dunn

W

scum cannot be paired as lovers
idr whether that's been the case in the past but in this game thats distinctly impossible

By paired he means scumbuddies I believe

@Dunn

[Wisdom]

Spoiler: @Wisdom irt my meta

vibey triple post with no commitment

The only redtea scumgame I could find was this, given you said they rolled scum

again

will I find triple posts with no commitment there? Or do you know them from elsewhere?

fwiw there is one other one (Ballroom Blitz) where I got limmed early and I have my previous account linked in my sig.
B/c of their age idk how much you'll get out of them, but you know I ALSO have recent town games.

I wasn't really trying to meta you (I very rarely get anything useful from games I havent been in), I was more questioning Aristeia's read

[Wisdom]

I like bunny Aristeia pair for first lim

[Wisdom]

Def one scum in it
I think bunny but it wouldn't surprise me if it was Ari either

[Wisdom]

redtea's read on me is quite awful but its also the

towniest thing

he's done so far this game

#irony

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/

redtea, y u pairing me with this person

redtea's case is so awful and truly bad that it probably comes from a town player.

I rarely see scum players make cases that are that bad.

Could you actually tell us why it is bad rather than just call it bad

[Wisdom]

Who do you see as bunny's buddy?

[Wisdom]

i feel like redtea is scum because im getting a vibe that scum is in the wisdom-redtea pair and while wisdom is a townread his push against our pair feels suspect but in a way that it may be getting puppet mastered by redtea

redtea has nothing to do with my reads

[Wisdom]

yep

[Wisdom]

Ari seems to me like she has vast meta with Dunn given the nerd comment
Not really seeing a tmi here

[Wisdom]

Is dunnstral your scum buddy or smth?

That's what he means prolly

But I don't get the point here, are you saying that makes hockey scum somehow?

[Wisdom]

But I don't get the point here, are you saying that makes hockey scum somehow?

me? no, i think he's really towny right now

Then why are we talking about hockey calling your lover pair s/s in the context of a scum strat

[Wisdom]

How did you "catch" him if hes not scum for it

[Wisdom]

id like something more than platitudes

i'll have to see if i can fit that into my schedule

readslist time?

hockey

bnuuy

--blob of unreasonable (but ordered) nullness. my scumpartner is here

redtea
dunn
wisdom
NM

--

ari

(and for different reasons than redtea oh god i am g aming)

I don't get those reads
Why is bunny so high
What are your reasons for ari scum

[Wisdom]

why doesnt ari reinforce my negative view on redtea in the pt then?

I feel like you've picked a single thing and keep repeating it like it means something
Scum are not required to follow a specific path you have in mind
Maybe Ari is scum with one of us
Maybe Ari has a different plan
Maybe Ari simply didn't think of it and missed her chance
The certain thing is it doesn't warrant you locktowning her out of nowhere like you did

[Wisdom]

like, i actually try to do the thing he criticized me for not doing and now he wants me dead
waste of my time is what it is

Oh you thought I'd townread you if you did what I asked? Think again

[Wisdom]

On the other hand

I could but I don't really care to since I scumread my lover anyway so I really don't care about defending against it

Ari seems to have lockscum'd bunny and accepted their demise to the point she doesn't bother answering to redtea's case

While I do think that's way more town motivated than bunny's thing it troubles me she does not have anyone in mind for bunny's buddy, even if it wasn't that concrete

[Wisdom]

N_M come play with us, we don't bite

You don't have a single content post

I know you can do it if you try

[Wisdom]

The bunny/Dunn exchange about the pair semantics felt a little awkward and unnecessary

I could see Dunn being a bunny buddy

[Wisdom]

Hockey where do you stand in regards to bunny?

[Wisdom]

you think so? i think it's too much theatre especially since the confusion was also expressed in PT

eh I don't know, Dunn does get confused like that sometimes so maybe he genuinely misunderstood
But it annoyed me he continued in 102 despite my 86

[Wisdom]

Seriously how hard is it to tell us in a few words why it's bad instead of all this attitude posting

[Wisdom]

cows what does Dunn's Ari case look like?

[Wisdom]

I don't remember saying I like it
I'm just criticizing your attitude because it isn't helping
Focus on finding bunny's buddy instead

[Wisdom]

cows what does Dunn's Ari case look like?

a bundle of grammatically correct sentences separated by line breaks

thats not very helpful
Do you feel he really wants the pair gone?
Do you feel he's sheeping redtea?
Did it build up somehow or did he suddenly scumread Ari out of nowhere
etc

[Wisdom]

I'm beginning to think Wisdom is just mafia here

he seems frozen and incapable of giving an opinion one way or another on his lover's case against me.

When really it should've been the first thing on his mind when Redtea made it - to sort the person he's in a PT with.

uh huh

Is that where you make a heel turn and want to lim me instead of your lover?

[Wisdom]

cmon Ari, vote me

It's clear you're building up to the switch

[Wisdom]

I wasn't aware bunny is hardpushing me
Last I checked it was calling me town getting manipulated by scum-redtea
Is it saying differently in the pt?

[Wisdom]

Fine I'll humor you because I liked 300

My instant reaction to redtea's case was to ask them in the pt what the informed part (which was the only part in their case I cared about) was supposed to mean

They eventually answered inthread in 205, and I immediately discarded that answer in the next post

So I've basically commented on the part of the case that mattered and you just look silly

[Wisdom]

I don't see why we have to characterize it as such

Their points weren't very good, sure
It was fine to drive some discussion, better than what most people were doing up to that point

[Wisdom]

Nope I asked you to stop calling it bad and actually talk about it because just calling it bad does not add anything useful to the gamestate

[Wisdom]

Not explain it to me
In general, posting "this is bad" instead of "this is bad because x and y" is bad because it does not let people use it as a discussion point i.e comment/expand/disagree with your reasons

[Wisdom]

It's the same thing Hockey was saying about my 41

Hockey thought I was defending cows when in reality I had no read on cows and what I cared about was making him post actual reasons for his scumread so discussion can happen

Likewise you're thinking that I liked redtea's case and I was defending it when I didn't

[Wisdom]

okay I'm sorry you feel that way

when you want to stop tunneling let me know

[Wisdom]

VOTE: dunn

Sure, lets see what happens

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

v/la till Sunday

[Wisdom]

sigh

14 pages...

Ok, so I think Wisdom/Ari is either scum theatre or theres 1 scum between them. Not sure who tho just yet.

Cows is town because reasosn(cant really explain them since its more to do with meta)

hey @cows, do u any sort of read on Dunnstral? Cuz I have no fking clue this guys alligment

N_M is null rn because lack of posts.(nothing in PT either)

honestly, I do think redtea is town because of the way wisdom/ari talked about his scumcase

Why is there still no read on bunny in your posts?

Why is me/Ari not t/t?

[Wisdom]

from what ive seen N_Ms attitude seems kinda town

i honestly think hockey/nm should be the endgame pair
theres something about nm that seems like town

I dislike how bunny picked up whoever's faulty townread on NM and even uses it to forward agendas now

[Wisdom]

Now where tf did this vote come from. You only mentioned Dunn once in your iso and were mainly pushing/sring bunny in 172 and post 259. Post 265(down below) was the only time u mentioned dunn as a SR to u so how much has that read developed/why did u not want to push that slot more?

It interested me that NM had an actual read and wanted to do what people will do with it. I'm not actually scumreading Dunn.

[Wisdom]

Oh, I forgot this was nightless. 343 still looks super ??? tho

Ari not placing a vote when she well could there is actually kind of town, especially if cows/Dunn end up being t/t
honey on the other hand is ew

[Wisdom]

I mean tbh, Im semi-confident that the cows/Dunnstral pair is T/T lol

You too get town points for this

[Wisdom]

its like i spend all this time on why wisdom is mafia and nobody even bother to say whether they like think i'm right or wrong

just a lot of low effort memeing

i dunno why im even trying at this point

Because it was just bad tunneling and you not wanting to understand my pov.
Has bunny not expressed any agreement, even if mild, though? I totally thought it would use our exchange to townread you more and push my pair more

[Wisdom]

like either Cows has this amazing scumread on Dunnstral or Cows is just throwing for lulz and either way im fine getting out of this godforsaken game asap

Can people not think in binary
Why can't cows just be null on Dunn (which most likely is the case given how much Dunn has posted) and use the wagon to actually pressure him into reacting?

[Wisdom]

Iirc wisdom's read on redtea is all over the place so fair.

How is it all over the place
It's literally a straight progression from "redtea is posting nothing so far" to "town"

[Wisdom]

we're not locktowning nm/hockey @bunny, not atp, ESPECIALLY when the suggestion is coming from you.

redtea speaking my thoughts

[Wisdom]

wisdom is obviously in poking and prodding mode and I'm only gonna care if he's still holding his cards close to his chest later in D1/early D2.

I don't get this cards thing, I believe I'm pretty open with my thoughts
Just ask me whatever you want to know

[Wisdom]

"wdym by this" what did you mean by tr'ing a lurker enough to call the game solved

this but you're saying it to the wrong person
look at how bunny sheeped it

[Wisdom]

Why has the Dunn wagon died?

Because my lover partner rescinded their vote and backtracked into a null read

Which... they seem kind of town on town but this has me second guessing
Right now I'm not looking at Hockey because they seem confident in town there

VOTE: bnuuy

Beyond paranoia that is my preferred vote as I think their aggressive sorting doesn't really make sense in places and they don't feel like town to me

This makes me feel a little better about Dunn
After his Ari case not actually existing I was worried about the lack of scumread on the bunny pair from him but that's better

[Wisdom]

VOTE: readtea

This on the other hand doesn't make me feel good
It feels like you don't like that bunny is on the table again (but once again, you don't say so and continue not saying anything about bunny for some reason), so you try to get something else going

[Wisdom]

If you think that's enough to see anything into what do YOU make of it

NM is probtown

like if i were to think about if scum was on the wagon or if he's scum then i think there's zero reason for NM to attract this much attention in a gamestate where nobody exactly cares about you if i remember the thread's state at that time
do you guys think the wagon was pure

Bunny was on it
And you're asking the people who are voting bunny
So take a guess

[Wisdom]

Ok i re-read bnnuy's iso and i think its town. Hmm is it really {Ari/Wisodm(cuz they're never alligned here) + one of readtea/Dunnstral?

If its not obvious, Dunnstral's lack of posting recently has made me not ...TR them.

Ok possible pairs within these 4

Wisdom/Redtea can not be possible
Wisdom/Ari is hm, it still felt like scum theatre earlier but Im willing to chalk it down to T/S
Wisdom/Dunnstral, honestly, this is a possible scum team

Ari/redtea doesnt make much sense here but it is likely?
Ari/Dunnstral is also a ?? pair im not certain on but again, it can exist

Honestly, Im fine with sheeping N_M and just limming Dunnstral atm since hes in most mafia pairs for me

VOTE: Dunn

Finally a read on bunny, which apparently is that strong that you can use to gamesolve without considering bunny scum
I hope people have asked you to explain this read in the next posts, otherwise you have to

[Wisdom]

i feel like someone is behaving strangely its generally a portent that their lover partner is scum

what

[Wisdom]

Also aaa i just want a flip, can we lim dunn

If you just want a flip, you can vote bunny.

[Wisdom]

ZZzzzzzzzzZZzz Elim Dunn already

Also aaa i just want a flip, can we lim dunn

stop tunneling *slaps wrist*

Tunneling, or not wanting bunny to die?
Especially in Hockey's case

[Wisdom]

in my case it feels like wisdom isnt sorting me fairly, theres some assumption i have to be evil ig.

ew
So you're trying to say tunneling is scummy?

[Wisdom]

Caught up

VOTE: bunny

This is the obvious lim today and if it (or Ari somehow) flips red we're liming Hockey/NM next

cows, redtea and Ari are town. Dunn is also town on a red flip.

[Wisdom]

Her tunnel on me reminded me of town tunnels on me
Plus the fact she didn't vote Dunn despite being in a good position to do so
I am not super confident in the read (and wouldn't be surprised if she somehow was the red flip) but thankfully I don't have to be because she'll flip alongside bunny

[Wisdom]

^E-1

[Wisdom]

No worries you dont need to bother, youre dying next

[Wisdom]

I'm seeing either hockey/dunn or redtea/dunn here.
Former because of the weird wking of bunny when it was scummy as hell and the latter because they didn't want dunn gone.
Nm/dunn is quite unlikely, not seeing scum nm's only content being a hardbus.

Dunn's instavote on redtea is also strange and feels quite bold if hes scum with me/redtea being t/t, so Dunn/redtea is where I'm leaning

I'm most likely voting Dunn but I want to explore the remaining team possibilities first

[Wisdom]

Cows/nm is the only team that could quickhammer right now and win but I cant really see cows as scum here

Regardless, it would be great if either of you unvoted

[Wisdom]

wait what, holy shit is N_M actually scum here LMAO?

I also dislike this
Hockey supposedly was against bunny/Ari containing scum, so I dont understand where this surprise comes from
Its like its faked to give a "look at me worrying about my lover" feeling
Which he then ignores and votes elsewhere
I feel like town hockey would take some time to consider all scenarios before that vote, especially after Dunn's vote there

[Wisdom]

Does hockey/redtea make sense
Its the thing that keeps me from wanting to vote Dunn
I can see hockey going for this bus to make 4p easier

[Wisdom]

nm/redtea?
Eh, probably not
Redtea didnt know im not townreading nm at the time they challenged the almost global townread on nm
Prolly had no reason to as nm's buddy

[Wisdom]

nm are you thinking dunn/redtea?

[Wisdom]

What? Ok so I never called bunny/ari t/t lol, i actually SR ari a bit there.

No you didn't
Your only mentions of Ari-scum are when considering pairs (where you considered various pairs) and when you labeled my exchange with Ari not t/t (which is also bad and you never explained either)
Otherwise you stayed away from that pair, even avoiding giving a read on bunny for almost the entire day, to the point where both me and redtea thought you're looking good for a bunny or Ari buddy
So no, that surprise is completely over the top and unwarranted

[Wisdom]

especially when it's confirmed FMPOV that it contains scum

How is it confirmed
Why is not Hockey/Dunn
Sell me and you have my redtea vote

[Wisdom]

what? I never openly casted suspicion on dunn. I called u guys T/T yday

lol what?

Something feels off about Dunn barely showing thread presence and not interacting much with thread....

lol, honestly 427 could be a possible scenario. I think the posting of readtea/cows(or "interaction") seems town? ehhh im too wayy too conflicted rn lol, just lim dunn and go from there :^)

Ok i re-read bnnuy's iso and i think its town. Hmm is it really {Ari/Wisodm(cuz they're never alligned here) + one of readtea/Dunnstral?

If its not obvious, Dunnstral's lack of posting recently has made me not ...TR them.

Ok possible pairs within these 4

Wisdom/Redtea can not be possible
Wisdom/Ari is hm, it still felt like scum theatre earlier but Im willing to chalk it down to T/S
Wisdom/Dunnstral, honestly, this is a possible scum team

Ari/redtea doesnt make much sense here but it is likely?
Ari/Dunnstral is also a ?? pair im not certain on but again, it can exist

Honestly, Im fine with sheeping N_M and just limming Dunnstral atm since hes in most mafia pairs for me

VOTE: Dunn

Also aaa i just want a flip, can we lim dunn

[Wisdom]

And this looks even worse when you consider liming Dunn would also kill your supposed top townread

[Wisdom]

cows I cant really challenge your meta read but Hockey looks scum here

[Wisdom]

i'll visit dunn more later, i still want red/wisom gone

Like, this is not town motivation
We are in elo
First you consider pairs, then you want someone gone

[Wisdom]

especially when it's confirmed FMPOV that it contains scum

How is it confirmed
Why is not Hockey/Dunn
Sell me and you have my redtea vote

Like, just like you're saying you mindmelded with hockey a bunch of times, I felt the same with redtea, they had expressed the same views as me before I even read the game and knew I had them
Prior to that flip I was almost convinced we're t/t and it might still be the case, it should really not be discarded as a possibility here

[Wisdom]

the fact that you guys had clear intentions of voting them the next day (not really, but)

I had clear intentions of voting them if bunny flipped red like I expected, for the reasons I pointed out
I had mentioned it early in the pt that NM and especially Hockey are mysteriously shying away from giving a read on bunny so it's no surprise redtea had the same position

That reminds me you asked what has been said in the pts, if you want I can paraphrase ours

[Wisdom]

VOTE: redtea

Explain your redtea vote.
You have zero mentions of redtea in your iso except to ask what is the connection between you and them
Voting them out of the gate in elo is just like in Hockey's case awful (Though Hockey's is worse exactly because Dunn's vote is present tbh)

[Wisdom]

The only thing that gives me pause on Dunn/Hockey is that I think they wait for cows to vote first instead of both instavoting redtea like that
Otherwise both look terrible and I want to lim them much more than redtea

[Wisdom]

Spend a few seconds of effort to tell me who is Dunn's buddy and we might

[Wisdom]

I really hope it's not Dunn/NM because my brain has chosen to filter out that possibility

[Wisdom]

How do you feel about liming Dunn? How likely do you find Hockey/redtea?

[Wisdom]

And who is redtea's buddy?
Say they flip red, who would you want to lim tomorrow?

[Wisdom]

Like this q goes to everyone
I am not dying unless you convince me of redtea/someone
Even if redtea is red which I really doubt I do not want to place my trust in this town to win 4p
I'd much much rather lim the other scum and decide for myself if I want to lim redtea in 4p

[Wisdom]

VOTE: dunn

[Wisdom]

Yeah that's what I thought
But then again it's kind of expected for you to vote our pair so they didn't necessarily need to wait

Another thought I just had was that maybe the quick vote is for the plurality rule. The mod breaks ties with who got the votes first, so if we ended the day with say their two votes on redtea and two on Dunn, redtea would go through
Town's unlikely to think of this but scum probably does while planning for options

pedit: @cows

[Wisdom]

^This could also be the case with a Dunn/NM team

With NM voting nothing but hammers Dunn could want to ensure he doesn't somehow get plurality'd out

[Wisdom]

everything else is reasonably ruled out

uh no
Dunn/NM, Dunn/Hockey are real possibilities here, with the latter being the most likely given individual scumminess

pedit: in terms of voting, nm/dunn makes the most sense as a setup but i'm not sure how plurality plays into dunn/hockey if they're going to have to justify that vote for up to seven days if they want to keep it. it's locking themselves for a small chance of winning easily, right?

I don't think it's hard to justify it
You saw how easily Dunn called poe
But tbh if we accept the plurality thing came up I'd too more easily see Dunn/NM utilizing it than Dunn/Hockey

[Wisdom]

Dunn/NM, Dunn/Hockey are real possibilities here, with the latter being the most likely given individual scumminess

Like if I go solely with my reads I still think you and redtea are town and scum have to be in the other three

[Wisdom]

Because NM only votes when it's a hammer which I already mentioned, and because it's elo so people theoretically won't vote over E-2 and risk a quickhammer
Therefore a 2-2 tie is plausible

[Wisdom]

NM vote Dunn. If you put him at 3 votes before redtea he gets lim'd in a tie

[Wisdom]

I hoped he'd see it immediately so I wouldn't have to explain this but either he didn't or he ignored me

I wanted to see if he would do it to rule out Dunn/NM doing the plurality thing. If he did it I would unvote instantly so as not to risk redtea/Hockey winning if they're the team

I assumed that if he's town he would do it since without his vote it doesn't look like Dunn is getting lim'd

[Wisdom]

VOTE: nm

Since all of dunn, cows and hockey are saying redtea's buddy is there you should have no problem with this lim, right?

[Wisdom]

Move your d3 pause to now because there is likely no d3 if you lim us

[Wisdom]

I think youre flipping red and not nm tbh, but either way Dunn

[Wisdom]

I said that too
But im townreading cows and redtea so that has to be the answer
If you flip town and its nm who's red I'll consider redtea some more

[Wisdom]

Dunn/NM, Dunn/Hockey are real possibilities here, with the latter being the most likely given individual scumminess

but like, i touched on both of these and why they shouldn't be a reality

does NM actually bus for fun? i said something to dunn in PT to the effect of "if you were his scumbuddy then you probably would've told him to cut it out by now" because like, why wouldn't it happen

557
additionally, it's not hockey/dunn because they literally just BW my vote on you and have NM hammer

I mean, you could have unvoted before nm came online, that's risky

[Wisdom]

NM not having muhc thread presence at all when redtea is under fire is odd tho

Nm didnt have any thread presence the whole game, doubt that means anything

[Wisdom]

because they got red role pms

[Wisdom]

I maintain that the first point does not stand
If they voted me you'd just unvote
And NM is not a bot, he would be town in this case and he would be maybe hesitant given his Dunn scumread

[Wisdom]

The rest I don't understand but it sounds like a fallacy you convinced yourself into
The flips will talk anyway

[Wisdom]

with that wisdom is ironically dunn's most likely partner
game is over

what? Where did this come from

[Wisdom]

Can we like vote nm/hockey out and see which is the red one instead of going in circles

[Wisdom]

How did this possibility even come up
And how am I still possible scum here, I feel like im the most obvious town here

[Wisdom]

today drove in the point that dunn/ one of hockey or NM isn't an actual thing

oh okay. I don't agree with this so whatever, call me scum I guess

[Wisdom]

how are you obvious? are you like, doing things out of your scumrange? at the risk of sounding insensitive because i know i'm not phrasing this well, your play seemed ordinary and not exactly townread worthy

I'm like the only person caring about this game, everyone else seems like they're here to troll and post content once in three days or never
If I was scum I'd 100% play the apathy game, aim to paint my buddy in a good light and just let redtea die
Instead of, you know, put in effort and try to survive to secure the win
You have not played with me before so I understand you not seeing the obvious but calling my play ordinary is just... wrong

[Wisdom]

I'll paraphrase our pt later but since you want to talk about views

cows/redtea is not possible since they are not hammering NM, therefore if you are town you know the scumteam to be redtea + NM/Hockey

Why exactly are you not voting NM?

[Wisdom]

See? NM ain't a bot
Didn't hammer himself *and* placed a non hammer vote

[Wisdom]

Or you can just hammer nm already

[Wisdom]

Lets not wait for the deadline to run out to get the flip, shall we

[Wisdom]

Looks like nm/redtea might be right after all

672 onwards is ew

[Wisdom]

Certainly more likely than nm/dunn right now
Nm had the chances to stray off dunn and onto redtea or me

[Wisdom]

redtea/dunn is ruled out, nm
Either you call me scum or you call hockey scum
Which is it?

[Wisdom]

Yeah that doesn't fly anymore. Even if Dunn is scum, Dunn has a buddy. Unless you want to argue Im scum you're supporting a Dunn/Hockey scumteam and have no excuse for not hammering

[Wisdom]

Nm/cows

could hammer redtea
Nm/Dunn
Nm/Redtea
Nm/Wisdom

Cows/redtea

could hammer Nm

Cows/Wisdom

could hammer Nm
Cows/Hockey

Redtea/Dunn

could hammer Nm
Redtea/Hockey
Wisdom/Dunn
Wisdom/Hockey
Dunn/Hockey

Updated remaining possible pairs
Literally all pairs other than Wisdunn, regardless of how likely one thinks they are, guarantee a red flip here

[Wisdom]

And basically tomorrow should be
Nm red flip -> lim redtea
Hockey red flip -> lim Dunn

[Wisdom]

Did you miss the part where its confirmed to me we have a red flip

[Wisdom]

Right
Nm won't do it, cows won't do it, redtea won't do it
To the deadline it is

[Wisdom]

wisdom simply doesn't seem willing to lim dunn today.

Yeah its not like I was voting dunn for the most part of today

[Wisdom]

redtea sadly for you Hockey's recent posts are town so I very much doubt I'm liming something other than you tomorrow

[Wisdom]

Like very much doubt Hockey scum derps so much that he suggests lovers or confirmed antipairs, so

nm -> redtea it is

[Wisdom]

whatever
when i flip green condemn hockey/NM to the fires of hades asap

That's s bunny quote, not mine

[Wisdom]

Oh fuck it VOTE: Not_Mafia

Finally
Now if only we could skip the 1 day break and just lim redtea

[Wisdom]

gg guys
Wisdunn power
Thank you for modding, lilith

[Wisdom]

You did great identifying each other as town and working together, it was the most challenging aspect of the game

[Wisdom]

Nah id say it as town too
Like I said its important to townlock one pair and your own is the easiest since you're already halfway there

[Wisdom]

redtea would probably easily catch me if he looked at my past games of true love though. I get very very paranoid of being lovers with scum, which I never managed to emulate here

[Wisdom]

they*

[Wisdom]

I think I know who you are now btw :>