Micro 1028: True Love (Game over)

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What is UP, gonna be phoneposting/reading until I get home

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By the way another important note in this setup: Once we identify a town/town pair, we win. Scum need to eliminate both. So make use of your pts and townhunt

You say that like it's easy

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idk does hockeyfan typically make weird gut reads like that

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Hockey #140
My view of hockey is not improving
I know you said you're not confident about town!Ari but is there more you could provide there?

bnnuy #99
I couldn't find the words yesterday, here they are.

how is wisdom at null for you rn, hes been rather active so you should be able to place a read on him i think?

wisdom has been very proactive but i'm not comfortable placing a read on them, despite a lot of my reads being impulsive

. . .

but really it's because their content hasn't really taken me anywhere. their cards are close to their chest and i'd have to look deeper in their posts than i already have to figure out what exactly they're trying to do

This is exactly how I'm feeling about Wisdom right now and I don't like that this stance is being antagonized.

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redtea rolled scum yet again I see

Who??? Are you???????

vibey triple post with no commitment

read my recent games *hairflip*
I was at work and wanted to establish my presence.

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I have only played one game with them

can you believe this

I like cows because he feels colorful

it might just be his avatar though...

I don't have enough posting to get a decent feeling on other people.

You feel very aggressive but I'm not sure if there's a purpose to your questioning.

THIS IS THE VIBEY-EST POST IN THIS THREAD

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Spoiler: @Wisdom irt my meta

vibey triple post with no commitment

The only redtea scumgame I could find was this, given you said they rolled scum

again

will I find triple posts with no commitment there? Or do you know them from elsewhere?

fwiw there is one other one (Ballroom Blitz) where I got limmed early and I have my previous account linked in my sig.
B/c of their age idk how much you'll get out of them, but you know I ALSO have recent town games.

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Hard to get a solid T/T pair from those. I don't recall Dunn or N_M ever townbleeding in a game. Really hoping redtea will become better because their presence in the pt is as bad it is in the thread

Apparently I have stockholm syndrome

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Sure, but you/ari were questioning a certain pattern of behavior yeah

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stahp goodposting
UNVOTE: redtea
will elaborate after i'm home

You know it's funny I was just going to say

too early to call ari v dunn not SvS? :^)

VOTE: redtea

This here makes no sense.

And I don't like this response to my posts. Maybe it's because I'm in the middle of ACTUALLY reading the game so I just don't feel like those show all that much, but.
Yeah I don't like this.

[redtea]

Spoiler: Aristeia sr

hello friends

I am in love with this adorable bunny

if someone gets a firm read on bunny I would be most indebted to you <3

This doesn't look like something town would say. If it was pure shitpost maybe, but as it stands it's just reiterating how town is supposed to play this game anyway. Of course we should be suspecting our partners and listening to people's opinions. The game mechanics explicitly say we need to be doing so.

I don't think Bunny has done anything AI in the PT so far and I remain moderately paranoid.

And this would be somewhat questionable on its own, but with the above- it doesn't get any more LAMIST than this.

I don't feel anything tbh

I'd think it would claim I am its lover regardless of alignment

I trust Dunn's mech skills

This reads as being informed.

Yeah the point was that you said you trust Dunn's mech skills so you would claim (if I understood correctly) but Dunn didn't claim so you probably shouldn't either if you trust Dunn

I don't know if Wisdom is having the same line of thought as me here but is good support for the "ari is informed" angle

[redtea]

cows and ari are scumbuddies. i've solved it, no need to thank me, but I do take tips

[redtea]

nah but I'm still catching up

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they don't relate im just condensing posts

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oh wait

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idk does hockeyfan typically make weird gut reads like that

Describing what made it so weird

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redtea's read on me is quite awful but its also the towniest thing he's done so far this game

#irony

I really should take stock of how often scum vs town say this to me

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previous post @cowslovesushi

why does this site fail me

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I like bunny Aristeia pair for first lim

same here

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that's what scum said last time i nailed em

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this is truly ridiculous

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if you sr your lover vote it

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cowslove #35
Why exactly do those posts indicate for you that they aren't scum-paired exactly anyway? I don't think you really talked about the details.

cowslove #44
This is only really a strat for as long as lover pairs aren't claimed, and your partner atp already suggested everyone claim.
(Of course now we have all the pairs).

And since all the pairs getting claimed was only a matter of time, why would you out this potential strat, ensuring scum wouldn't fall into it?

I guess I don't want to be too harsh here because I hit close to pushing "send" on posts like these myself, but usually I stop to think "wait maybe saying that isn't a good idea," you know?

Weirdly, Hockey says the same thing here. There may or may not be an implication it's too late to do so as that cat's already out of the bag, I can't tell.

cowslove #77
I don't think anti-associatives and lack of associatives should be considered interchangeable here. The former means a lot more than the latter.

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Hockey #52
I don't know if I'd tl him for that, because while it's maybe in mafia's best interest to keep lover pairings a secret, if claims tend to happen early anyway, and he's played this setup a couple times, then scum might as well try for town cred. So that in itself isn't AI to me.
BUT his follow-ups with people, especially Ari, about the topic, have me tl'ing him, now that I'm properly reading all this.
Seeing that as "defending" cows is weird to me but w/e.

Also think Cow is sus as hell, not sure exactly what he's playing at irt Dunn.

And this post and the follow-ups is the weird gut read on bunny I was talking about like what

Hockey #42
Tell me why it seems odd? Because your post doesn't look like it actually means anything.

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On Ari

Aristea #43
Defending her possibly-informed-trust of dunn again.

Wisdom #65
Ari says something similar to the last sentence later here, but the difference is Wisdom is showing why exactly one ought to prioritize hunting in PTs, and why to specifically townhunt. I'm guessing NM's #66 reaction to Wisdom's post is like mine to that one of Ari's, but I don't think it's warranted in Wisdom's case.

Hockey #45
Good question. And I don't like the answers cow had given.

Dunnstal was mentioned a lot, sure, but

in the context of Ari defending her words

. Except for the posts made by cow, which kind of took Ari's interactions with Wisdom and ran a marathon with it for some reason.
Like it just. None of it makes hardly any sense.

[redtea]

Yes he's prolly town
I liked that he found my posting odd, most people do in their first contact with me but scum are less willing to push it

Coming back to this if hockey answers my question

[redtea]

I am fine being first pair out but I'd like to have a chance to have firm reads on every slot b4 I leave

o mb

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i feel like redtea is scum because im getting a vibe that scum is in the wisdom-redtea pair and while wisdom is a townread his push against our pair feels suspect but in a way that it may be getting puppet mastered by redtea

all he's done in our pt is insult me, trust me when i say i ain't masterminding anything

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and if im right about this then ari is basically confirmed town for how redtea likely tried to spur wisdom against us

you know maybe ari's right maybe you are scum

[redtea]

actually wisdom did ask me a question

Ari being overly trusting of Dunn in the beginning, not showing one single ounce of suspicion, and defending that stance even when others say she ought to.
In mafia? That just doesn't track. That's what I mean by her being informed of Dunn's alignment.

[redtea]

Defending her possibly-informed-trust of dunn again.

I just want to say that I don't trust Dunnstral as a "town player" I do not have a townread on Dunnstral.

I trust Dunnstral's mech skill/knowledge - which is completely NAI, I think he would give us the optimal mech play regardless of his alignment.

that makes. No sense. At all. "Optimal mech play" is usually entirely different depending on your alignment. Literally what are you talking about.

[redtea]

And since all the pairs getting claimed was only a matter of time, why would you out this potential strat, ensuring scum wouldn't fall into it?

it did happen, though. check out hockey's ISO and we can talk about it a little bit

I think you're missing my point. Your post was nothing better than padding to begin with.
Also where did that happen? Can't find it.

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i feel like im being punished for actively trying to have a hand in the outcome of this game and its making me want to sink back into being low impact

people were sr'ing you for being low impact don't do that
/not a scum slip

[redtea]

Am I dumb I only see hockey sr'ing cows

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It's early D1 cows it's k don't worry about it

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I mean worry a little ig

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that makes. No sense. At all. "Optimal mech play" is usually entirely different depending on your alignment. Literally what are you talking about.

in an open setup, optimal mech play is usually common knowledge so there is no incentive for scum players to lie about what the optimal mech play is.

Optimal mech play is not dependent upon alignment because it would be stupid for scum to present a suboptimal mech play in hopes of fooling the town.

Depends on how mech-savvy scum thinks town is doesn't it?
I know I've seen "I think this person is correct regardless of alignment" but not "I trust this person regardless of alignment."
Not to mention what ACTUALLY ended up happening was deciding to put off claiming for a while, but still doing so day 1. Which I agree was the better way to go.
In fact, if there are only two claiming strategies (because it'll happen pretty much no matter what), 1) claiming right away and 2) not claiming right away, in my opinion Dunn proposed the one less helpful to town.

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youre missing the trajectory of my thought process. ari didnt attempt to buddy me, nor did she continue pushing me and redtea, instead she chose to reverse course on redtea. the only way that play makes sense as scum is if shes partners with someone in that pair, but you dont seem to believe that so why is ari scum when her logical partners arent your primary suspects?

personally I still just don't think she's serious about limming you. Not that it's particularly AI but she did give herself room to change her mind.

like, i actually try to do the thing he criticized me for not doing and now he wants me dead
waste of my time is what it is

I don't think it's fair to make that assessment when it was the first turn of the curve you've had, you know? Give it time.

[redtea]

id like something more than platitudes

i'll have to see if i can fit that into my schedule

readslist time?

hockey

bnuuy

--blob of unreasonable (but ordered) nullness. my scumpartner is here

redtea
dunn
wisdom
NM

--

ari

(and for different reasons than redtea oh god i am g aming)

>:( okay well how

did

Ari get down there

[redtea]

It's never a good sign when my scumreads start townreading me

[redtea]

dunn hasnt done anything bad in PT or in thread
i explicitly want redtea's input on the wagon

dunnstral isn't even here yet

i cant believe i have to say this but dont lolhammer dunn

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okay decided ill just post a summary of instead of a bunch of posts

we're not locktowning nm/hockey @bunny, not atp, ESPECIALLY when the suggestion is coming from you.

cows made a suggestion that maybe Ari could be better sorted by doing some meta. It's a good point. I'll try to get on it.

wisdom is obviously in poking and prodding mode and I'm only gonna care if he's still holding his cards close to his chest later in D1/early D2.

@Hockey, since Dunnstral has been not very contributive, the gang is participating in the not-so-fine art of ~pressure~ in the form of voting.

maybe there was more but i've closed the tabs and no longer remember whoops

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dunn has literally done almost nothing this entire game i dont know how any1 has a read on him much less decided to put him at NM e-1

this tho

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oh yeah reminder i use they/them btw
i know my manly profile pic of manliness may lead one to a simple conclusion, but even the manliest of mans can be nonbinary

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ugh okay. Ari does not have enough meta to determine. One *could* make the case that she's more forward as scum as shown by her recent/only scum game, but 1) she replaced in and 2) it's her most recent game, period. If someone was better at/had the focus to dig deeper maybe they could find something.

Not gonna alt hunt because not about that

And now I'm at a crossroads of what to do hm

[redtea]

i tr mine/NM pair

explain your NM tr

Honestly its more of a meta/gut read. The meta being that I think N_M tried harder as scum.

Admittely, his iso is a bit devoid of content but I think there are some points in his ISO which are townyish

them being

12- Town tonal gut read

336- idt N_M comes back to thread with a read that hant been discussed in thread yet. Like the read was pretty far out there, and idt scum!N_M does that

thats pretty out there
this sounds like scum self-preservation ngl

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personally i wouldnt try to sort nm rn anyway for obvious reasons

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"wdym by this" what did you mean by tr'ing a lurker enough to call the game solved

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@hockey if i dont trust there is a playstyle alignement indicator here myself and it's a weak one even for you, why would I be talking about that. I'm talking about content. Apparently, according to cows, that takes some time, but I'll wait.

And I am not content to sit and let me or Wisdom be limmed today or tomorrow, not with what info and reads I have.

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.... i dont know why my brain thought 14 posts in a day and the other example wasnt a lot im a dumbass

i have mixed feelings about your game pool sample cows but wtv. I might look into nm's games myself.

so if hes somewhat underposting(i think?) is that not all the reason more to either wait or pressure more content

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Apparently, according to cows, that takes some time, but I'll wait.

And I am not content to sit and let me or Wisdom be limmed today or tomorrow, not with what info and reads I have.

?

below bolded is also a really out of place stance with what reads you've shown in thread right now

already addressed the top part but i disagree with the bottom part. i find ari/bunny suspicious, i found cows suspicious (going on tone alone he's sounding more towny in these last few pages but i need to reread him carefully before I change my stance there), I find hockey to be weird af.

It's like, at least half of you are raising flags for me. That honestly puts the lurkers (dunn and nm) higher than you all. Then slightly above that is Wisdom.

idk man I thought the status of my reads were more obivous
myb i put too much into tone and not words but idwanna check right this moment

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i feel this sense of stubbornness from it, like hockey was asked a question that he didn't exactly know how to answer with what he's ACTUALLY thinking so he takes it at face value so that he could give off the impression that his stances are perfectly sound without wasting too much time

im gonna name it a towntell and call it a day

good night

its a hockey towntell?
pls explain this tmr also good night sleep tight fist fight the bed bugs before they bite

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I think what I was getting at earlier is bunn's #384 sounds towny in tune and way too opportunistic, which makes it a big red flag for me.

Though if bunn is scum, whether one of nm/hockey would be its partner or it's scum!bunn trying to pocket I don't know

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okay but the thing is is that town has more incentive for self-preservation than normal. Town lives cost more. Display of self-preservation isn't quite the indicator it usually is.
And if I know I'm town, and think my partner is town? Yeah, of course I'm gonna defend us.

But you know what benefits scum and no one else? It's a word we all know called "apathy".

So excuse me but this isn't the kind of setup that allows much room for going with the flow, and so I will not be doing nearly so much of that.

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"weird does not equal scummy" okay. What am I saying then. What am I saying, when I say hockey is being weird. In the middle of a paragraph about people Im scum-reading/leaning/dont trust more than an inch. And follow up with a paragraph implying everyone previously mentioned is raising red flags for me.

No, go on. Tell me. I want to know.

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its a hockey towntell?

i think it contradicts how hockey plays scum. i'll do the meta homework on this if you don't actually have a read on them

interesting. Well I think bunny is a good choice right now anyway and it looks like voting for it is under so

that is my preferred vote as I think their aggressive sorting doesn't really make sense in places and they don't feel like town to me

this sums it up nicely

VOTE: bnuuy

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i think there's nothing wrong with the games i linked besides the fact that there's not enough of them

yeah, pool size. That's what I meant.

he already gave content in the form of a scumread and it got pushed to E-2. i asked you for thoughts on it and you said "don't quickhammer dunn lol"
if you have NM's posts in mind and the idea that you need more from them then this event shouldn't be as unimportant to you as you show it is

he said "lim dunn lol" and then encouraged it and then came back and said "where did the wagon go" i think he was just trying to make things happen.
If you think that's enough to see anything into what do YOU make of it

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@hockey

viewtopic.php?p=13001048#p13001048

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If you think that's enough to see anything into what do YOU make of it

NM is probtown

like if i were to think about if scum was on the wagon or if he's scum then i think there's zero reason for NM to attract this much attention in a gamestate where nobody exactly cares about you if i remember the thread's state at that time
do you guys think the wagon was pure

nm's reason is nm likes attention
nm is a lot of things and just kind of like that

[redtea]

if all of scum is actually in dunn/nm/wisdom and they're all sitting back watching us get at each others throats
swear

im looking forward to wisdom getting back

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Spoiler: @Hockey

lol, honestly 427 could be a possible scenario. I think the posting of readtea/cows(or "interaction") seems town? ehhh im too wayy too conflicted rn lol, just lim dunn and go from there :^)

okay well I don't like you doing yet another flip on me, but I just did notes on your entire iso and if you're town, you do seem to be a bit everywhere.
As said before I don't want to lim dunn right now, I don't have enough info there. But, afaik you still sr Ari, and I'd be surprised if there wasn't scum between bnuuy/ari, so I'd vote there with you.

1. [bnuuy] having the same reads as me(

and it pocketing me

)
2. There is almost like no interaction between Ari/Dunn and i think that could be partner-indicatve
4. the chances cows comes up with a read on Dunn are the same chances of me winning the lottery

I'm trying to think if "having the same reads" is a viable reason in this setup.

irt #2 to be fair it's difficult for there to be much interaction when dunn hasn't posted much. What do you think about what Ari says *about* Dunn? (recently)

Spoiler: @cowslove

nm's reason is nm likes attention
nm is a lot of things and just kind of like that

thinking about the game pool comment, do you have games played with NM?

*sigh*. I know I have, but I guess I'll go digging again.

Btw, has your read on Dunn developed any further? U probs have but i cant find it

dunn is true null
aside from the fact that well, zero associatives exaggerated by the fact that another NM-1 wagon is going to form on him
like if dunn actually does flip red you salivate at that opportunity because you have extremely solid condemns for tomorrow
but you gotta wonder if it's that easy
dunn's town because of everything surrounding him but i've gotten zero...... from his actual posting

this. If we had more lims to waste I wouldn't lose sleep over limming a null player, especially since as you said a dunn red flip would be pretty informative.

Spoiler: @bnuuy

i think scum is in dunn and redtea
i wanted to keep this secret but i have prior experience with games involving multiple lover pairs and any time i feel like someone is behaving strangely its generally a portent that their lover partner is scum

so because wisdom and cows are acting strange, dunn and I are scum?

and id felt things that pinged me from wisdom and especially you, but didnt seem entirely driven by a scum agenda

is this saying you also see potential in a cow/wis pair, though less so than me/dunn?
That would be pretty out there

And while I don't want to discount your experience, I feel like there should be something to back up a me/dunn solve.
Me saying we shouldn't lim a lurker atp doesn't count btw.

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i think today i'll actually figure out if i bet the game on hockey-NM town-town or not

i'm very certain on hockey's alignment (but i'll towncase them anyways) but i want to see how much i can squeeze from looking at some of NM's other games

please don't forsake us like this

[redtea]

ZZzzzzzzzzZZzz Elim Dunn already

Also aaa i just want a flip, can we lim dunn

stop tunneling *slaps wrist*

[redtea]

Reading NM meta rn this is hilarious

(from Mini Normal 2223 | Town Wins!)

The town games of his I've read though seem different than this one [where NM is scum]. Like he's trying in them. Here he isn't trying until toDay.

thnks kyouko

[redtea]

is this saying you also see potential in a cow/wis pair, though less so than me/dunn?
That would be pretty out there

And while I don't want to discount your experience, I feel like there should be something to back up a me/dunn solve.
Me saying we shouldn't lim a lurker atp doesn't count btw.

i feel like cow is pretty solidly town
but dunn/either of your pair feels possible, its just that ive seen stuff that looked towny and stuff that looked scummy from wisdom, meanwhile you havent felt as extremely out there as wisdom but have felt scummy in certain ways
perhaps thats the key to why i end up being right despite being wrong in identifying pairs with scum while not getting the right person exactly, i tend to overlook the person playing safe

I forget have you gone into detail on your sr of me and wisdom?

[redtea]

a little bit

your gameplay has felt rather self-serving

wisdom has just not felt like hes been genuinely treating slots without bias

i think that's just the name of the game in this setup, but. Fair.
I've seen this "bias" point brought up before, what's that about?

[redtea]

i'm kind of tired from meta-ing, but yeah maybe you're his strongest sr rn? Skimming his iso I wanna say he's been tunneling but again, too tired to confirm.

[redtea]

after going through Not_Mafia's meta for two hours, all I've learned is that he has 2.5 distinct playstyles he shows as both town and scum, says "I'm town" as both and maybe even moreso as town, doesn't use mafia pts or possibly has his posts deleted before the pts are released.... yeah.
Somehow I wanna hazard he's town. I don't tr hockey though so don't go thinking I'm clearing them.

[redtea]

@Not_Mafia

why do you wanna lim Dunn anyway. Why's he scummy

[redtea]

as far as post count goes, Dunn seems to usually be on the low side

[redtea]

I want to hear NM's case on Dunn, after which I'll probably either vote him or self-vote to take out wisdom

[redtea]

cowslove whats that about us conspiring against hockey/nm?
the fact we didnt like people locktowning them?
I guess if wisdom flips and flips red you probably have something there.

[redtea]

nm are you thinking dunn/redtea?

I don't think, I just act

rood

[redtea]

oh wrong quote lol well you know which one it was

[redtea]

Also aaa i just want a flip, can we lim dunn

so what changed between this post and your first one today

[redtea]

lmao beat me to it

[redtea]

lol, honestly 427 could be a possible scenario. I think the posting of readtea/cows(or "interaction") seems town? ehhh im too wayy too conflicted rn lol, just lim dunn and go from there :^)

Ok i re-read bnnuy's iso and i think its town. Hmm is it really {Ari/Wisodm(cuz they're never alligned here) + one of readtea/Dunnstral?

If its not obvious, Dunnstral's lack of posting recently has made me not ...TR them.

Ok possible pairs within these 4

Wisdom/Redtea can not be possible
Wisdom/Ari is hm, it still felt like scum theatre earlier but Im willing to chalk it down to T/S
Wisdom/Dunnstral, honestly, this is a possible scum team

Ari/redtea doesnt make much sense here but it is likely?
Ari/Dunnstral is also a ?? pair im not certain on but again, it can exist

Honestly, Im fine with sheeping N_M and just limming Dunnstral atm since hes in most mafia pairs for me

VOTE: Dunn

[redtea]

bold of me of all people to say so ig, but lookin at his iso, hockey's on-again-off-again white knighting and weak distancing lookin kinda sus.
anyone play a game with him before

[redtea]

ill engage more l8r

[redtea]

The only thing that gives me pause on Dunn/Hockey is that I think they wait for cows to vote first instead of both instavoting redtea like that
Otherwise both look terrible and I want to lim them much more than redtea

Personally I think one would show initiative and the other would wait.

[redtea]

i look at NM/redtea and i also see the interaction that is

"NM, you have a case? i need it so i know who to vote today"
"you aren't getting a case"

and i'm mostly confused if it's S/S

but also redtea going ahead and sheeping dunn immediately after they voted bnuuy doesn't make sense
ouch

I was giving dunn a chance at that time and also Id been sure one of ari/bnuuy was scum, like, the whole day

[redtea]

"ill engage more l8r" i said

but I will vote Dunn for now, in case someone convinced cows to change his mind before I have
VOTE: Dunnstral

If we make it to tomorrow Ill miss cows tho

[redtea]

I was giving dunn a chance at that time

Yuck

yeah imagine not wanting to lim a lurker oof scummy

[redtea]

Ok wisdom is town from his recent posting and hes not like lazily voting redtea or dunn and instead engaging>

what does this even mean

[redtea]

....?????

[redtea]

for melo you sure seem to be taking things lightly

[redtea]

"ill engage more l8r" i said

but I will vote Dunn for now, in case someone convinced cows to change his mind before I have
VOTE: Dunnstral

If we make it to tomorrow Ill miss cows tho

Who is my partner?

im working on it

[redtea]

okay I'm not done but does anyone else think it's really fucking weird that Hockey nulls NM #333,
townreads him #367,
apparently townreads him so hard the game is solved #373 (specifically says "i tr mine/NM pair and cows/dunnstral pairs so do we just win"),
calls the NM tr a meta/gutread here #375 (says the Dunn SR is far out but doesn't think scum!NM does that) and here #378,
later says the game is solved not because of his townreads but his scum reads #385, even calling his NM townread an exaggeration, but "still thinks scum is in other pairs"

I've criticized some of this before but how is town lacking this much skepticism

[redtea]

for melo you sure seem to be taking things lightly

Also re this: I apoglize if i am. I came into this(and still am) thinking this was sorta a half memish/half serious game that was over in like 10 pages.

I mean same but ??

[redtea]

*same for came into this, not still am

[redtea]

d3 is where i give a lot of pause, because i don't believe i've looked at the game nearly enough to make a decision there
but my vote would probably end up on NM/hockey with a focus on NM being scum

unsure who you're talking to wis but come on, could i make the hedge any more obvious
i haven't made a full decision yet so don't use me to fatten up the numbers

0/10 didn't ride the gambit

[redtea]

busy rn but wanted to comment on this

okay I'm not done but does anyone else think it's really fucking weird that Hockey nulls NM #333,
townreads him #367,
apparently townreads him so hard the game is solved #373 (specifically says "i tr mine/NM pair and cows/dunnstral pairs so do we just win"),
calls the NM tr a meta/gutread here #375 (says the Dunn SR is far out but doesn't think scum!NM does that) and here #378,
later says the game is solved not because of his townreads but his scum reads #385, even calling his NM townread an exaggeration, but "still thinks scum is in other pairs"

I've criticized some of this before but how is town lacking this much skepticism

The shift from 333 to 367 comes from N_M posting content in terms of limming dunn. All of these quotes were all on d1 before I knew the Ari/bnuuy was a T/T pair. I entered d2 putting sus on N_M ftr. As per lack of skepticism, im sorry, im semi-confident in my reads this game

in that it's weak as hell

[redtea]

why is dunn/hockey red

[redtea]

why is dunn/hockey red

they can win if they wanted to right now + hockey suggesting me and dunn are SvS is incredibly TMI that only a townie could in a scum!dunn world + other shit that i forgot because i don't have access to my notes right now + im gaming

I dont want to underestimate NM but I get the feeling even he would be reluctant to hammer a wagon with dunn on it at elo

[redtea]

*melo wtv

[redtea]

well thanks for the heads up then
this does indeed raise questions

[redtea]

;-;

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If I were scum with redtea we'd quick elim n_m and win here, yeah?

they haven't been here for abt a day but you're right

yeah even if I haven't been posting much, I've been checking up enough we could've coordinated it.

I maintain that the first point does not stand
If they voted me you'd just unvote

Like above ^ it could be coordinated.

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Im saying it as a general thing. Scum doesnt want thier buddy gone unless they get to get thier narrative out

so to clarify things to myself do you think that NM's radio silence when his hypothetical partners are undoubtedly being pressured right now is town-leaning

but he's been quiet this whole time
this is exactly why it's objectively the right move for him not come to anyone's defense as scum

with that wisdom is ironically dunn's most likely partner
game is over

wait I understand why hockey/dunn isn't a thing now but i'm confused as to why nm/dunn isn't

[redtea]

why is dunn/hockey red

they can win if they wanted to right now

honestly cant believe i made a fucking color-coded graph for nothing

[redtea]

Wisdom have you noticed that redtea has indicated that I'm scum but is unable to really come up with who my partner is?

And at the same time they don't seem to think you can be scum at all even though they don't have two scumreads locked in?

Their view of the game isn't adding up

oy i havent been around back off scum

[redtea]

this^

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cows hockey wisdom get on the train pls choo choo

[redtea]

cows hockey wisdom get on the train pls choo choo

Who do you scumread besides me?

it would not be helpful for me to entertain this today.

[redtea]

why wont you vote dunn with us tho

[redtea]

Or you can just hammer nm already

uhhhh no

[redtea]

Did you miss the part where its confirmed to me we have a red flip

yes

[redtea]

cows hockey wisdom get on the train pls choo choo

Who do you scumread besides me?

it would not be helpful for me to entertain this today.

It would though

no

[redtea]

@wis
ooooh
okay but i disagree

[redtea]

so could it be wisdom/redtea? hmmmm

[redtea]

Ok, iso time for wisdunn

7 and 8 seems like an odd interaction but dt its a paired interacton. 25 seems to be indirectly shading dunn while also trying to undemine the claim strat that dunn proposed earlier.

this seems to me more like putting suspicion on/questioning ari to me.

275 could come from scum!wisdom wanting to know if his partners scum case is "good" or w/e but I think it comes from a sorta anti pair, cuz wouldnt dunn tell the case in mafia PT first?

Who's to say he didn't?

all in all- my guy- scumreading your buddy isn't an anti-pair signifier.
Like in the long run, wisdom simply doesn't seem willing to lim dunn today. Like why isn't dunn dead rn is what I wanna know

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[quote="In post 668, HockeyFan"]
NM/Dunn not likely, dt scum puts thier buddy to E-1. so RULING this out
/quote]
it's called the ol' locktown yourself by leading the charge on your buddy trick.

If one were to like
if one were to put dunn pairings on a scale

you/dunn ------ wis/dunn ------- nm/dunn

the further right, the more low-key and bare-bones the strategy. Yet, it's effective all the same.
Like. Clearly.

[redtea]

wisdom simply doesn't seem willing to lim dunn today.

Yeah its not like I was voting dunn for the most part of today

you were on dunn for one (1) VC

[redtea]

I'VE been on dunn almost the whole day excuse you

[redtea]

the further right, the more low-key and bare-bones the strategy. Yet, it's effective all the same.
Like. Clearly.

What is the strategy being employed between Hockey and myself?

wait i forgot you two aren't a thing
i wrote like
2 paragraphs the other day i didn't get to post

[redtea]

redtea sadly for you Hockey's recent posts are town so I very much doubt I'm liming something other than you tomorrow

this just makes me think you're partners with someone who isn't not_mafia and are leading a mislim on him, thus having to save you from flipping us tomorrow because you win

[redtea]

Fair, but i think early game interactions say enough

i
i really don't think it is

[redtea]

like itd have to be pretty significant for that to say enough

[redtea]

Like very much doubt Hockey scum derps so much that he suggests lovers or confirmed antipairs, so

lmao yeah I'd have a tough time believing it at this point

[redtea]

wait r u saying you/dunn are the confirmed antipair
i hpoe not

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nvm i dont wanna go through his iso and it doesn't matter nyway

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multiposting g o d
we call this eternal youth posting

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omfg i just realized there's a pagetop score

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ah fuck
wisdom had me yoyo-ing on him the whole game. My mistake for voicing each change of read I had on him, to the point I decided to not talk about it anymore to retain any credibility.
Plus I couldn't nail WHAT it was exactly, except for dodging pushes to vote Dunn. I was WEAK
"I've been voting him this whole day" though lol

gg scum, and thanks for hosting mod. This was a challenging one. Especially after limming t/t the first day aaaa

[redtea]

i'm sorry to everyone i ticked off that game

nah it was fun playing with you. Not to mention you were the backbone of town

[redtea]

redtea would probably easily catch me if he looked at my past games of true love though. I get very very paranoid of being lovers with scum, which I never managed to emulate here

Interesting. I definitely didn't look that closely, I just didn't find any surface-of-surfaces level tells, so :shrug:

[redtea]

cows is kind of starting to look town, that's helpful

Hope redtea towns it up and I don't have to spend most of the game gambling that I'm paranoid about them

ah FUCK. Well that explains it
love this game, where else are you gonna organically rp a toxic relationship