Micro 1028: True Love (Game over)

[cowsloveSushirolls]

i wanted to eventually dive in and check out the past times this setup was run, is this something that ends up going well? i have no preference aside from subconsciously, since i figured that thread wasn't going to claim lovers

you'll never guess who cows loves!

Spoiler:

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i'm cows, you're cow

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We did not coordinate our outfits.

nice pot stirring but they did end up pointing out their partner

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too early to call ari v dunn not SvS? :^)

VOTE: redtea

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i'm town lover

who scum

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right, i'm thinking more of ari's mentions of dunn seem more anti-paired than paired.
i don't exactly have thoughts on ari and wisdom's talk, mostly cause i feel like i'm missing context here. do ari and dunnstral know eachother?

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i mean i do like the mechanical information that we all start with (the person you are paired with isn't scum with you)
more often than not it'll help the rest of town but like, if someone is like "damn! this interaction is SvS!" you just go "well we're in love, so" and then you work from there and look for that person's intentions by calling you guys SvS. after all, it's a huge accusation and that can be a good point to start at in this point of the game
in other news, {ari, wisdom} aren't paired with dunnstral, me thinks

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Stop solving the game cows >:(. Also, why are u so focused on whos not paired with Dunnstral? Im aware thats been the only topic of discussion so far, but you're really keying into pairs for Dunnstral specifically

relatively low postcount but has high thread presence (if i used the phrase right?)

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the amount of times they've been mentioned

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the amount of times they've been mentioned

oh, well it ties in to what you've said so it's correct

hockey for town, any1?

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Cows's entrence is weird to me. His first 2 "game-solving" posts are just stating "XXX is not paired with Dunnstral". Like I still dont get it. Is dunnstral your scum buddy or smth?

wanna watch me box myself in?

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right, i'm thinking more of ari's mentions of dunn seem more anti-paired than paired.
i don't exactly have thoughts on ari and wisdom's talk, mostly cause i feel like i'm missing context here. do ari and dunnstral know eachother?

did you think ari and dunn were paired?

naw, the thought never popped up into my head

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cows can u expand on what u meant in 54

if me and dunn are scum and i continue to rule out dunn pairs then eventually i'll "box myself in" and have only myself as paired with dunn

W

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Ok, but my intrepetation of your posts was "Dunn cant be paired with these people, therefore hes town!!" Also, just because you think Dunn is not paired with XXX doesnt mean others do so im not sure how you would "box yourself in". Are you assuming town is gonna sheep you on your reads?

i don't know dunn's alignment but i do like the general pattern of 'less associatives with people = more likely to be town'
this is doubly important in a game full of lover pairs

the timeline goes:

-i note a few anti-associatives with people
-you point out the attention i'm putting on dunn and if we're scumbuddies
-i quip that i'm boxing myself in by continuing to note anti-associatives on my scumbuddy

i think my sheepability is besides the point: i'm still boxing myself in by doing so

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scum can do this no? Just remove all the pairs, say "im town", therefore Dunnstral is paired with ......... NO ONE!!. Also you've anti-paired Dunn with 2 people, so idk what u mean by "boxing" yourself in atm. You can very well in the future pair dunnstral with some random townie and push the random townie instead

oh this entire time i was talking about if dunnstral were to flip red and i was working out pairs, not right now. no boxes here nope, none at all


but yeah be on the lookout for those Evil Scum Tactics that you've just mentioned

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its kinda making something out of nothing, i would have very likely posted the same opening as scum
which as i say that i can see rationale for that being a town behavior

if it makes you ever so slightly more secure about hockey i voiced the same gut read in PT

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i don't know if i can wean anything from redtea's posting

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i don't know if i can wean anything from redtea's posting

what does wean even mean

i can get anything*

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Why, does it impede you from scumhunting?

i feel like if its not actually happening then i got conned basically

err, i think i got the most out of it now? i'm lovers with dunn. i think they're fine with me claiming since they did it some 90 posts ago

We did not coordinate our outfits.

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ooh, wow

gun to head reads is that the scum-town pairs are bnuuy-ari and wisdom-red

thinking about it more:
i do think nm-hockey is towny so far but that's mostly based on the latter
i find ari's posting to be incredibly awkward but it may be some sort of reaction fishing? i'd have to look at different games for this one
find myself making shallow reads wrt bnuuy like "asking good questions" or "takes feel honest" so this is a read that should develop pretty quickly
wisdom - red remains incredibly null and i still find that dunn leans town so their placement is more based on POE

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how is wisdom at null for you rn, hes been rather active so you should be able to place a read on him i think?

wisdom has been very proactive but i'm not comfortable placing a read on them, despite a lot of my reads being impulsive

a factor in this is the fact that they've played this setup thrice, while i'm unaware of what alignment he was in those 3 games because i haven't looked back, i'm fairly sure he knows what route to take both as town and scum to secure a win

but really it's because their content hasn't really taken me anywhere. their cards are close to their chest and i'd have to look deeper in their posts than i already have to figure out what exactly they're trying to do

i like their hockey read though

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a factor in this is the fact that they've played this setup thrice, while i'm unaware of what alignment he was in those 3 games because i haven't looked back, i'm fairly sure he knows what route to take both as town and scum to secure a win

Here they are, for your convenience
I was town in all of them, won 2 of them

awwww yeah
reading a tiny bit
i like the uniformity of your opening posts

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N_M did say in PT tho thats hes not intrested in townhunting because of too much effort and I think lack of effort matches pretty well with his town meta.

could you talk a bit about the amount of effort he's showing is similar to the other games you've played with him? (first thing that comes to mind is the popcorn game, unsure what else)

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I don't think bunny has prioritized figuring out my alignment.

I also feel it's focusing on mech rather than actual alignment reading.

dunn started asking about my reads a couple of minutes after this post. funny coincidence

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stahp goodposting
UNVOTE: redtea
will elaborate after i'm home

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This here makes no sense.

is it not too early? maybe even late? i snoozed and i lost?

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redtea's read on me is quite awful but its also the

towniest thing

he's done so far this game

#irony

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/

redtea, y u pairing me with this person

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And since all the pairs getting claimed was only a matter of time, why would you out this potential strat, ensuring scum wouldn't fall into it?

it did happen, though. check out hockey's ISO and we can talk about it a little bit

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i mean like it's ok if scum didn't fall into it
i think hockey's town

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ok i read farther

hockey is literally town

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i feel like im being punished for actively trying to have a hand in the outcome of this game and its making me want to sink back into being low impact

hockey town?

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And since all the pairs getting claimed was only a matter of time, why would you out this potential strat, ensuring scum wouldn't fall into it?

it did happen, though. check out hockey's ISO and we can talk about it a little bit

I think you're missing my point. Your post was nothing better than padding to begin with.
Also where did that happen? Can't find it.

read 52 to 78

but yeah mech talk does tend to be padding, unless i'm interpreting your post wrong again?

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scumreading cows (because of how paired i am with dunn)

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Dunnstal was mentioned a lot, sure, but in the context of Ari defending her words. Except for the posts made by cow, which kind of took Ari's interactions with Wisdom and ran a marathon with it for some reason.

slightly unrelated note but if one more person IIT calls my play shit i'm going to start sulking

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But I don't get the point here, are you saying that makes hockey scum somehow?

me? no, i think he's really towny right now

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Then why are we talking about hockey calling your lover pair s/s in the context of a scum strat

because redtea believes that me outting a strategy is bad play (in hindsight, it was. bad habit of mine) and that i didn't catch anyone with it (i did, hockey)

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How did you "catch" him if hes not scum for it

feels like aimless semantics

i didn't do it to catch scum but to attempt to provide a major discussion point

thread consensus should be that hockey is town

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the word "catch" meant that he got caught into doing what i believed would happen in a situation where my """plan""" shines

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Cyclone 2.0(this is for cows only)

no cheating allowed redtea!

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well yes, but that has nothing to do with the post you quoted

pro-hockey advocates always have a hand in town's direction

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pro-hockey advocates always have a hand in town's direction

what does this mean

tongue in cheek comment about you voicing your desire to make an impact on the game

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id like something more than platitudes

i'll have to see if i can fit that into my schedule

readslist time?

hockey

bnuuy

--blob of unreasonable (but ordered) nullness. my scumpartner is here

redtea
dunn
wisdom
NM

--

ari

(and for different reasons than redtea oh god i am g aming)

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why doesnt ari reinforce my negative view on redtea in the pt then?

?
i'm not in confbias mode yet, i don't have an answer to this

appreciate you pointing this out anyways

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If you agree with redtea's SR, why are they in null for u?

i think simply agreeing with people's content is an easy trap to fall into when trying to find town

but you and i
we MINDMELDED

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why doesnt ari reinforce my negative view on redtea in the pt then?

like, wisdom, the lower half of that pair, is still above 2 people for you, that would mean that ari gave up a chance to use me to strengthen the push she was making against redtea and instead argued the opposite read when that pair seems to be town/town to you. why does scum!ari reject such an opportunity?

you're asking why ari didn't buddy you instead of scumreading you alongside redtea?

none of our lovers have attempted to buddy the other. why be the first? clearly none of the mafia are taking the angle of appealing to their partner in particular. i think it could be easy as "they're blending in"

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cowslove #44
This is only really a strat for as long as lover pairs aren't claimed, and your partner atp already suggested everyone claim.
(Of course now we have all the pairs).

And since all the pairs getting claimed was only a matter of time, why would you out this potential strat, ensuring scum wouldn't fall into it?

I guess I don't want to be too harsh here because I hit close to pushing "send" on posts like these myself, but usually I stop to think "wait maybe saying that isn't a good idea," you know?

Weirdly, Hockey says the same thing here. There may or may not be an implication it's too late to do so as that cat's already out of the bag, I can't tell.

is it mechanical talk, automatically disqualifying it from being a genuine mindmeld? yes
will i still apply it as one because of the timing and similar intent behind the posts? yes

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To your first point, fair. But imo you should have some definitive read on him, wheter it be TL, SL, SR, TR e.t.c if you agree with thier content

again, i feel iffy basing reads on only content but that has been what i'm doing w red, which is why they're north of null

if i trust myself enough to exaggerate my reads based on content then they're a townlean yes

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youre missing the trajectory of my thought process. ari didnt attempt to buddy me, nor did she continue pushing me and redtea,

instead she chose to reverse course on redtea.

the only way that play makes sense as scum is if shes partners with someone in that pair, but you dont seem to believe that so why is ari scum when her logical partners arent your primary suspects?

k you can officially call me a bad player now because i forgot this happened
ari kinda is my only primary suspect though
the "logical partners" are null and nothing that's been brought up contradicts my thinking
in fact if i exaggerated my reads (upper half of null is town, bottom half is scum) then ari has two perfectly acceptable partners

2 slots vs 1 is a quite big difference bunny, don't try to shrug it off as minor
It's way easier to locktown your own pair over other pairs

ive been feeling good about ari but im not ready to fully declare a townread on her

I like bunny Aristeia pair for first lim

can i just say how absurd this is

BAHAHA

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>:( okay well how did Ari get down there

i forgor

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i rember
unexplained tonal shift from 163 onward and generally Not Good logic for most reads

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dunn gave a full fledged scumcase on ari, i'm sheeping them and determining their alignment from it

maybe NM is churning out some awesome reads in his PT

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you think so? i think it's too much theatre especially since the confusion was also expressed in PT

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does any1 in this thread actually believe Redtea's case is any good/valid?

i'm explicitly not sheeping it because i think some of it could be sorted through meta

maybe what i have could be also but i'm not willing to do the homework right now

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i think there's merit in the first half of 159 where they call some of your opening posts LAMIST but upon a quick look it's easily solved by looking at how performative a player you are in general
tbh i brushed past it until you started pointing hard at it. didn't really have an opinion on it until like 10 minutes ago

also, now that your intentions are out, i'd like to think that i'd be kinda good at mimicking my town thought processes as scum, i don't see how a red role pm would fundamentally change the way i think

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cows what does Dunn's Ari case look like?

a bundle of grammatically correct sentences separated by line breaks

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Redtea's "case" on me is like a stinking pile of dog shit that someone has scooped together.

People in this thread are saying "Smells good!"

I don't actually care to write a detailed review of why a cake made of dog shit is actually not good to eat.

is it a cake or is it a stinking pile i'm trying to visualize this metaphor

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cows what does Dunn's Ari case look like?

a bundle of grammatically correct sentences separated by line breaks

thats not very helpful
Do you feel he really wants the pair gone?
Do you feel he's sheeping redtea?
Did it build up somehow or did he suddenly scumread Ari out of nowhere
etc

the case doesn't exist

is it a cake or is it a stinking pile i'm trying to visualize this metaphor

Well I see it as a stinking pile of poo but Redtea insists it's the finest chocolate cake in all the land.

His enthusiasm for it is why I town-read him because it's rare that someone who is informed of my alignment could believe a giant pile of poo is the finest chocolate cake in the land but the eager smile on his face tells me that he believes in it.

thanks, this helped

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wisdom should be like me and fabricate an opinion on an insignificant case from over 130 posts ago

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the case on me is better and wisdom should focus on that instead

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apologies for being deliberately tone-deaf i gotta go to bed soon it's one twenty-five in the morning

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the case doesn't exist

So

I don't understand what the point of that was

didn't like that you haven't had an actual read on someone IIT yet

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So you made one up?

I don't get how that helps you

it was funny and made me feel better about you somehow

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i'm the only person doing it

ignore me

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i'll like, develop the people i have in null today

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hey @cows, do u any sort of read on Dunnstral? Cuz I have no fking clue this guys alligment

i'll figure this one out today

my first impression is that their efforting probably isn't AI, but since not much is there i'm just focusing on the times they've been mentioned and working from there
i've loosely followed two of their games (elect the puppetmaster and the bloodstained mini theme) so i'll skim through those again, might find an actual scum game to compare things to also

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Elim Dunn

the cow has spoken
VOTE: Dunn

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in-fighting in my null section is always always welcome

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dunnstral DESTROYED by FACTS and LOGIC

how long do I let this stay at NM-1

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dunn hasnt done anything bad in PT or in thread
i explicitly want redtea's input on the wagon

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its like i spend all this time on why wisdom is mafia and nobody even bother to say whether they like think i'm right or wrong

just a lot of low effort memeing

i dunno why im even trying at this point

i think you're wrong fwiw
i said it earlier and when reading what happened after I went to bed i wasn't swayed

pedit: my lord
UNVOTE: Dunn

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i said i'd resolve the nulls but if the way I'm going about it is terrible from a bystander's perspective then I'll apologize and go a different direction

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The meta being that I think N_M tried harder as scum.

Can you provide evidence for this meta-read?

Uh not really specific games, sorry. Like im talking about generally in all games N_M plays he has his signature opening, then makes a bunch of meme/filler posts/everyso often a read.

However, I would think he tries a bit harder as scum since hes a LHF and easy limbait for scum.

no i'm not sure i get this, i got the opposite impression when i looked at their games. at the very least it's NAI and you should look at something else

lemme figure out how to link ISOs real quick

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ok i came in expecting random NAI shitposts but i think activity is correlated with pressure. small sample size tho

mini normal from june, NM replaced in as scum, made 14 posts over the span of a single day. ~12/14 were one liners? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86800&user_select%5B%5D=23551

newbie game from july. spanned about a month. 52 posts. got the fully honey percent one liners for this one viewtopic.php?f=11&t=87122&user_select%5B%5D=23551

popcorn mafia: was selected as the gunbearer and was confirmed town at the beginning of the game. 17 posts in around 30 hours. many gifs viewtopic.php?f=51&t=87343&user_select%5B%5D=23551

clearly scum!NM thinks we're pushovers

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i think i'm fine with hockey's pair endgaming

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What else am i supposed to look at btw

anything special in PT other than NM not wanting to townhunt?

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btw, dunnstral *has* voiced reads on a few people in the PT but i don't know why they aren't on the main thread

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Apparently, according to cows, that takes some time, but I'll wait.

And I am not content to sit and let me or Wisdom be limmed today or tomorrow, not with what info and reads I have.

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below bolded is also a really out of place stance with what reads you've shown in thread right now

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Fluffy is something postivie, so is the word "soft". It portrays a "happyish mood". This disucsiion is based on semantics over a read I had thats not even that strong(I said it was tonal/gut)and I think its pointless.

also i reread the game a little and this post is really funny

not because of the content itself

i feel this sense of stubbornness from it, like hockey was asked a question that he didn't exactly know how to answer with what he's ACTUALLY thinking so he takes it at face value so that he could give off the impression that his stances are perfectly sound without wasting too much time

god typing it out like this makes me feel like i'm going mad but maybe if i provide enough examples people can find a pattern off of them

So you made one up?

I don't get how that helps you

it was funny and made me feel better about you somehow

Yet Dunn didn't claim

He will though right?

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i feel this sense of stubbornness from it, like hockey was asked a question that he didn't exactly know how to answer with what he's ACTUALLY thinking so he takes it at face value so that he could give off the impression that his stances are perfectly sound without wasting too much time

im gonna name it a towntell and call it a day

good night

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its a hockey towntell?

i think it contradicts how hockey plays scum. i'll do the meta homework on this if you don't actually have a read on them

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if ari has a similar scum mindset then i'll extend the same townread

Because my lover partner rescinded their vote and backtracked into a null read

(dunn's my only null read now )

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i have mixed feelings about your game pool sample cows but wtv. I might look into nm's games myself.

so if hes somewhat underposting(i think?) is that not all the reason more to either wait or pressure more content

i think there's nothing wrong with the games i linked besides the fact that there's not enough of them

mini normal - scum game

newbie - VT game

open (popcorn) - conftown TPR game
so if bolded is the closest posting pattern he's taking right now than we can start with a light townlean on them

he already gave content in the form of a scumread and it got pushed to E-2. i asked you for thoughts on it and you said "don't quickhammer dunn lol"
if you have NM's posts in mind and the idea that you need more from them then this event shouldn't be as unimportant to you as you show it is

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If you think that's enough to see anything into what do YOU make of it

NM is probtown

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If you think that's enough to see anything into what do YOU make of it

NM is probtown

like if i were to think about if scum was on the wagon or if he's scum then i think there's zero reason for NM to attract this much attention in a gamestate where nobody exactly cares about you if i remember the thread's state at that time
do you guys think the wagon was pure

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i'm not opposed to voting bnuuy right now but let me flesh things out

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Ok i re-read bnnuy's iso and i think its town. Hmm is it really {Ari/Wisodm(cuz they're never alligned here) + one of readtea/Dunnstral?

If its not obvious, Dunnstral's lack of posting recently has made me not ...TR them.

Ok possible pairs within these 4

Wisdom/Redtea can not be possible
Wisdom/Ari is hm, it still felt like scum theatre earlier but Im willing to chalk it down to T/S
Wisdom/Dunnstral, honestly, this is a possible scum team

Ari/redtea doesnt make much sense here but it is likely?
Ari/Dunnstral is also a ?? pair im not certain on but again, it can exist

Honestly, Im fine with sheeping N_M and just limming Dunnstral atm since hes in most mafia pairs for me

VOTE: Dunn

me when
spend entire game ruling out pairs for dunn only for this post to happen
but some of it actually does check out. i think dunn's only aligned with wisdom or redtea with emphasis on the latter. figure out if it makes sense or not

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Beyond paranoia that is my preferred vote as I think their aggressive sorting doesn't really make sense in places and they don't feel like town to me

well ive gotten crap for being passive and ive gotten crap for being active
I guess you guys just dont like me

just keep talking and responding to people and i'll stroke my mighty beard pondering what bnuuy has said
everybody wants that more than the alternative

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Ok i re-read bnnuy's iso and i think its town.

quote some posts that you like?
(aside from the opening :^])

your anti-pairings are wrong.

tell me more about ari and dunn being a pair, that's the only thing i'm caught up on

otherwise your pairs seem Fine

nm's reason is nm likes attention
nm is a lot of things and just kind of like that

thinking about the game pool comment, do you have games played with NM?

Btw, has your read on Dunn developed any further? U probs have but i cant find it

dunn is true null
aside from the fact that well, zero associatives exaggerated by the fact that another NM-1 wagon is going to form on him
like if dunn actually does flip red you salivate at that opportunity because you have extremely solid condemns for tomorrow
but you gotta wonder if it's that easy
dunn's town because of everything surrounding him but i've gotten zero...... from his actual posting

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2. There is almost like no interaction between Ari/Dunn and i think that could be partner-indicatve

while not interactions between the two, did ari's opening posts not do it for you?

i think dunn's only aligned with wisdom or redtea with emphasis on the latter.

this is pretty close to my hero solve

interested

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i think scum is in dunn and redtea
i wanted to keep this secret but i have prior experience with games involving multiple lover pairs and any time i feel like someone is behaving strangely its generally a portent that their lover partner is scum

that's actually super interesting, wonder why that is

do you think i'd be able to find this pattern pretty easily if i were to read past games of this setup?

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i think today i'll actually figure out if i bet the game on hockey-NM town-town or not

i'm very certain on hockey's alignment (but i'll towncase them anyways) but i want to see how much i can squeeze from looking at some of NM's other games

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i think i need more from dunnstral

everyone needs more from dunnstral

some have even resorted to seeing if the mod can confirm their alignment

something that i may or may not be considering also

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Thier early game interactions were about ari trusting dunn's mechaincs talk right? eh idt that makes them "upartnerd" in fact, it makes them look more partner lol

i took the fact that absolutely nobody was aware that dunnstral had claimed partners already from 16 on as an anti-associative. if it isn't then there's gonna be some hat eating

because as scum i feel like i pay a lot more attention to my partner's logs (not exactly why, probably a natural consequence of knowing exactly what alignment someone is)

dunn essentially said "ok, me and my lover have matching outfits" and everyone was like
"hmmmmmm, wonder what that means"

like if everyone that was active brushed past #16 if it's super likely scum!dunn claimed their lover in scumchat by then, then it's pretty safe to rule those people out

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What do you mean its safe to "rule" people out by not commenting on 16. that makes no sense lol.

by brushed past i mean "not interpret the true meaning of"
bnuuy was the closest to getting it but everyone else was like "hmmmm dunn hasnt claimed partners yet" meaning that those people were obv looking at dunns logs
they did comment on it basically by saying that it no significance to answering the question of who dunn's lover pair is

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dunnstral tends to be lower activity as scum or pr
there are no prs this game so his limited engagement is scum-indicative imo

This is not true

I know that you tryharded in the puppetmaster micro as soloscum so I gotta wonder if alignment affects your efforting and how

also word missing on my last post
it has no significance*
(why is bnuuy lying)

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So take a guess

i never really realized the full extent to which bnuuy was scumread
i have it down now, but i haven't done much work lately in terms of figuring out their alignment

can you rehash why you town read ari? i think if bnuuy-ari were to have scum they'd have about equal chances (highest of any pair)

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betting the game on this

if i think dunn isn't paired with NM (which i think is pretty obv) then I take shots at red/wis with a focus on redtea flipping scum
NM also has two viable partners which both lie in wis/red

also you can't tell me that both red/wisdom conspiring against hockey/nm at the end of d1 isnt the most SUS amogus thing ever, like

VOTE: Wisdom
i still have a lot to do today so I'm not fond of a quickhammer

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@everyone, what did you guys talk about in your respective PTs?

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cowslove whats that about us conspiring against hockey/nm?
the fact we didnt like people locktowning them?
I guess if wisdom flips and flips red you probably have something there.

the fact that you guys had clear intentions of voting them the next day (not really, but)

No worries you dont need to bother, youre dying next

after going through Not_Mafia's meta for two hours, all I've learned is that he has 2.5 distinct playstyles he shows as both town and scum, says "I'm town" as both and maybe even moreso as town, doesn't use mafia pts or possibly has his posts deleted before the pts are released.... yeah.
Somehow I wanna hazard he's town. I don't tr hockey though so don't go thinking I'm clearing them.

lover pair consensus = ???
especially when it's confirmed FMPOV that it contains scum

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wait what, holy shit is N_M actually scum here LMAO? Like Out of there 3 pairs, theres only 1 t/t pair any I /think/ its the dunn/cows one? Idk im just gonna vote off scum today and worry about this later

VOTE: redtea

hockey, can you tell me about the shift from openly casting suspicion on dunn two days ago to sheeping them today?

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Something feels off about Dunn barely showing thread presence and not interacting much with thread....

Also aaa i just want a flip, can we lim dunn

hockey, can you tell me about the shift from openly casting suspicion on dunn two days ago to sheeping them today?

what? I never openly casted suspicion on dunn. I called u guys T/T yday

TRUE

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bold of me of all people to say so ig, but lookin at his iso, hockey's on-again-off-again white knighting and weak distancing lookin kinda sus.
anyone play a game with him before

ye, several offsite

a summarization of why i'm still townreading him is because i can't let go of the couple of times where i've completely agreed with what they've said or in two instances, copied what they had written already without actually knowing. i use the word 'mindmeld' but it might be too sacred of a word to use
along with that, there's a few things i can point out that are usually indicators of hockey being in a scumteam that aren't prevalent here (no theatre or awkward interactions at the beginning of the game despite having a whole ass lover PT is a huge one)

i'm unsure if content changes depending on alignment but there's been a lot of focus on that by other people here so i'll attempt to help with that also

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Cows, what is your GTH solve

redtea/dunn makes sense to GtH me

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what makes u sr dunn @cows

no, it feels more like POE

cause to me, redtea bad wisdom good but ultimately it doesn't matter

so we have dunn/redtea and redtea/nm
i look at NM/redtea and i also see the interaction that is

"NM, you have a case? i need it so i know who to vote today"
"you aren't getting a case"

and i'm mostly confused if it's S/S

dunn/NM is also a no

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i look at NM/redtea and i also see the interaction that is

"NM, you have a case? i need it so i know who to vote today"
"you aren't getting a case"

and i'm mostly confused if it's S/S

but also redtea going ahead and sheeping dunn immediately after they voted bnuuy doesn't make sense
ouch

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i think scum is in dunn and redtea
i wanted to keep this secret but i have prior experience with games involving multiple lover pairs and any time i feel like someone is behaving strangely its generally a portent that their lover partner is scum

perhaps
thats more just a personal idiosyncrasy

oh yeah, happy cake day wisdom

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especially when it's confirmed FMPOV that it contains scum

How is it confirmed
Why is not Hockey/Dunn
Sell me and you have my redtea vote

aside from the things i've mentioned and been keeping in mind from hockey, the conversation we had from 52 on

Cows's entrence is weird to me. His first 2 "game-solving" posts are just stating "XXX is not paired with Dunnstral". Like I still dont get it. Is dunnstral your scum buddy or smth?

i don't know what this post is trying to do if they're scumbuddies, because when the information we have is revealed (we're lover pairs) it borders on lover TMI that has done nothing to further his agenda and also a bit of projection

also hard to explain the "ughhhhhhhh we need a flip can we get dunn already" and completely forgetting about it while admitting you were probably just sheeping NM

you can make a case that hockey is trying to minimize attention on dunn with trivial accusations so that other people look bad on association, but i think that's already out of his scumrange

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The only thing that gives me pause on Dunn/Hockey is that I think they wait for cows to vote first instead of both instavoting redtea like that

in PT i posted the intention to start out with a vote on your pair today after a bit of discussion on a post with the same information as 507

so they probably do wait and see if i vote there so they could (theoretically with NM?) quickhammer

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How do you feel about liming Dunn? How likely do you find Hockey/redtea?

i think the really easy decision is today where i lim your pair because everything else is reasonably ruled out

d3 is where i give a lot of pause, because i don't believe i've looked at the game nearly enough to make a decision there
but my vote would probably end up on NM/hockey with a focus on NM being scum

hockey/redtea isn't likely for the sole fact that i think hockey is town but i can look for any interactions later

pedit: in terms of voting, nm/dunn makes the most sense as a setup but i'm not sure how plurality plays into dunn/hockey if they're going to have to justify that vote for up to seven days if they want to keep it. it's locking themselves for a small chance of winning easily, right?

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Because NM only votes when it's a hammer which I already mentioned,

and because it's elo so people theoretically won't vote over E-2 and risk a quickhammer

Therefore a 2-2 tie is plausible

right, forgot about bolded

NM vote Dunn. If you put him at 3 votes before redtea he gets lim'd in a tie

i'm not sure what the point of this post is
surely NM knows that he's able to get the condemn he wants
it isnt urgent either since there's around six days before deadline

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sorry for ghosting thread, i could only think of one appropriate response to 583 (and also, 509)

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Dunn/NM, Dunn/Hockey are real possibilities here, with the latter being the most likely given individual scumminess

but like, i touched on both of these and why they shouldn't be a reality

does NM actually bus for fun? i said something to dunn in PT to the effect of "if you were his scumbuddy then you probably would've told him to cut it out by now" because like, why wouldn't it happen

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wait what, holy shit is N_M actually scum here LMAO? Like Out of there 3 pairs, theres only 1 t/t pair any I /think/ its the dunn/cows one? Idk im just gonna vote off scum today and worry about this later

hocks did you and NM talk at all the night ari/bnuuy died

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Also re this: I apoglize if i am. I came into this(and still am) thinking this was sorta a half memish/half serious game that was over in like 10 pages.

wut? i was expecting the opposite hahaha

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d3 is where i give a lot of pause, because i don't believe i've looked at the game nearly enough to make a decision there
but my vote would probably end up on NM/hockey with a focus on NM being scum

unsure who you're talking to wis but come on, could i make the hedge any more obvious
i haven't made a full decision yet so don't use me to fatten up the numbers

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Move your d3 pause to now because there is likely no d3 if you lim us

if you say so
tomorrow though, sleeping soon

d3 is where i give a lot of pause, because i don't believe i've looked at the game nearly enough to make a decision there
but my vote would probably end up on NM/hockey with a focus on NM being scum

unsure who you're talking to wis but come on, could i make the hedge any more obvious
i haven't made a full decision yet so don't use me to fatten up the numbers

0/10 didn't ride the gambit

fuck

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Dunn/NM, Dunn/Hockey are real possibilities here, with the latter being the most likely given individual scumminess

but like, i touched on both of these and why they shouldn't be a reality

does NM actually bus for fun? i said something to dunn in PT to the effect of "if you were his scumbuddy then you probably would've told him to cut it out by now" because like, why wouldn't it happen

557
additionally, it's not hockey/dunn because they literally just BW my vote on you and have NM hammer

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not compiling all of the interactions has made me lost so i'll make sure to do that today

i think scum is in dunn and redtea
i wanted to keep this secret but i have prior experience with games involving multiple lover pairs and any time i feel like someone is behaving strangely its generally a portent that their lover partner is scum

perhaps
thats more just a personal idiosyncrasy

oh yeah, happy cake day wisdom

also i accidentally multiquoted some bnuuy quotes a couple of days ago because of a post i was drafting but ultimately ditched because there wasn't any actual substance to it
i read one of wisdom's games and this was half true, one dude who was paired with scum made like 50 posts in a row but another played pretty normally

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Damm, thats like 3 ppl from different lover pairs that have said its redtea/NM

lol. It could be NM/Dunn. @cows, do u have any objections on this pair/why they're not paired

Ik earlier they probs arent paired because of whole NM's whole content thing only being on dunn but eh it could have been too weak of a read lol. NM not having muhc thread presence at all when redtea is under fire is odd tho

why is there an expectation that mafia NM will come to their scumbuddy's aid, is it meta?
in the world of NM/red there'd probably be pushing dunnstral more instead of doing any defending but they already locked themselves out of that possibility when they refused to give a case after redtea asked for one
i'm not exactly considering this pair right now, but he plays so wildly differently than me that this feels like something i should keep revisiting

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I mean, you could have unvoted before nm came online, that's risky

i could think of a few ways to be subtle enough to pull it off
while i have zero idea how to tell i don't think either of them have shown any sort of emotion at the missed opportunity i gave out if they're scumbuddies

If scum Dunn wins I swear to god

it would be Funny

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i'm gonna drop this and refuse to elaborate until tomorrow


green = fine pairs
yellow = probably not pairs
orange = likely not pairs
red = i think there's no chance
grey = lovers

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i'm gonna drop this and refuse to elaborate until tomorrow

mostly because i'm tired. gnight

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If I were scum with redtea we'd quick elim n_m and win here, yeah?

they haven't been here for abt a day but you're right

Also, why have you colored boxes for pairs including yourself?

personal preference

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Im saying it as a general thing. Scum doesnt want thier buddy gone unless they get to get thier narrative out

so to clarify things to myself do you think that NM's radio silence when his hypothetical partners are undoubtedly being pressured right now is town-leaning

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why is dunn/hockey red

they can win if they wanted to right now + hockey suggesting me and dunn are SvS is incredibly TMI that only a townie could in a scum!dunn world + other shit that i forgot because i don't have access to my notes right now + im gaming

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I maintain that the first point does not stand
If they voted me you'd just unvote
And NM is not a bot, he would be town in this case and he would be maybe hesitant given his Dunn scumread

i emphasized to dunn that my vote would stick unless something amazing happened
something amazing has not happened
i don't think their play has shown that they are playing around my vote

maybe you know more about NM than i do but the bnuuy hammer has given me some pretty clear expectations of what i'm going to see from him this game, voting wise

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The rest I don't understand but it sounds like a fallacy you convinced yourself into
The flips will talk anyway

uhhhhhh

557 if you wanna keep poking holes

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with that wisdom is ironically dunn's most likely partner
game is over

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happy cake day

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Can we like vote nm/hockey out and see which is the red one instead of going in circles

sorry i'm still worried about getting cucked by wissdunn (sxcellent scumteam name btw)

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How did this possibility even come up
And how am I still possible scum here, I feel like im the most obvious town here

today drove in the point that dunn/ one of hockey or NM isn't an actual thing
dunn/red doesn't make sense either
therefore by POE the other person is in wis
so, dunn/wisdom if i think dunn is mafia

how are you obvious? are you like, doing things out of your scumrange? at the risk of sounding insensitive because i know i'm not phrasing this well, your play seemed ordinary and not exactly townread worthy

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ok im done lurking
while it's near-confirmed to me that wis/red contains scum because of my small bit of work that i'll outline even harder today, it's all subjective and wisdom's Very Good, Objective list is actually neat and makes me want to consider losing to wisdunn

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also @cows, can u explain why u think its wisdunn?

i don't

it's just a possibility i keep tossing around and the only thing preventing me from hammering

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oh yeah i have to read your ISO let me do that

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UNVOTE: Wisdom
guess i'll participate in the thunderdome

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multiposting break

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wait r u saying you/dunn are the confirmed antipair
i hpoe not

god i wish

confirm or deconfirm wisdunn and we go many steps closer to winning the game

yes --> cls/

dunn

into

wis

/red
no -->

nm

/hockey into

red

/

wis

it seems so clear cut but i don't know where to start despite it looking so obvious lul

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whatever
when i flip green condemn hockey/NM to the fires of hades asap

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so if i have it right wisdom of both alignments, but particularly town would be content with being limmed first

because wisdom flips green, red is well, red and we sheep wisdom into hockey/NM because we have ruled out tea/dunnstral and tea/CLSR because of hypothetical voting shenanigans
if wisdom is red then we enter f4 with a slightly less intense form of his path to victory as mafia. i'm saying this because it's pretty ambiguous who wisdom's partner is (at least i think so?)

If I was scum I'd 100% play the apathy game, aim to paint my buddy in a good light and just let redtea die

but i know that wisdom is paranoid that dunn/NM is a real possibility
which, fair but like, dunnstral's complete lack of malding against an apparent GTer in this world is interesting
redtea mentioned something about NM not using PTs i think (which hockey confirmed also? ~6 posts in a pt is lol) , so it can't be planned either

since wisdom has delivered the mafia in a silver platter, one of them is in his pair and we don't know his alignment, limming the pair is still the optimal move (?????????????????????????)

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i'm just afraid of wisdom if i didn't make it obvious

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i'm thinking about dunn/hockey anti-pairings and how easily it could be explained away as "scum awkwardness + missed opportunities at the beginning of d2"
but that'd mean dunn did an incredible job ignoring CLSR the washed mafiascummer townread their partner harder and harder every day so i'm going to pass

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Wisdom - Dunnstral
redtea - NM

Wisdom - NM?
Wisdom - Hockey?? (i haven't touched on this at all, but is it worth doing so for the people who don't townread hockey? someone tell me)

NM - Dunnstral

Dunnstral - Hockey

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

well played through jesus

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i'm sorry to everyone i ticked off that game

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thanks Lillith for modding

^^!

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to me hockeytown felt like a given and it was two potential scumteams crossvoting because of the fact that all 4 town need to be on scum to net a condemn on that

all i needed to do was convince hockey to unvote and work with me, which i did feel was going to happen because of the fact that i outlined that redtea/wisdom 100% had mafia inside and was more worth going for than the 50/50 that was going on

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i'm saying a whole lot of nothing right now but summarization is that me and hockey were bascially deciding the condemn and it was anyone's game so the self vote shocked me