Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

[Wisdom]

You replaced my scumread. You know how I feel about my scumreads. You cant just expect me to throw it away because its you. Even the fact I unvoted and gave you space should be appreciated here

[Morning Tweet]

Are you playing differently from usual, Wisdom?

[Wisdom]

As for the reasons thing that's just me being less lazy than I used to
You know thats not ai

[Wisdom]

Are you playing differently from usual, Wisdom?

Not particularly
But I havent played in two years so maybe

[House]

As for the reasons thing that's just me being less lazy than I used to
You know thats not ai

No I don't.

That's a radical playstyle change.

To be clear, that's not why I scumread you. As I've said before, the times they are a changing.

Turning a 1v1 into voting WITH your 1v1 against me?

Something hinky is going on, there.

[House]

And me being the leading wagon on d2 after Ali was the leading wagon on d1 and you not even considering the possibility I'm the 8-ball?

C'mon, man.

I damned well know my slot is being set up for mislim. How do you think that makes you look from my perspective?

[imaginality]

I'll do some rereading of the Bingle case today as I've just skimmed last couple of pages. One question I have for others who know him is, is he someone who'd hold back from hammering Alisae yesterday or Wisdom today? In both cases I think they were X-1 for a while and they can't both be his buddies.

I'm familiar with

Bingle

but I don't think I've seen his scumgame yet.

Also

Imaginality

, I really want to pick your brain on how you went from

Wisdom

is the best elimination EoD1 to

Alisae

over one post. Like, do you remember your internal monologue when you wrote 265?

As of my post #255 I didn't really have a read on Ali either way. Not much content.

I was online when Wisdom posted #256 and had a "hey, that's plausible" gut reaction to his theory that Ali was happy sitting watching me and him duke it out. So that post made my ears prick up.

And then Ali's #262 seemed just so over the top a reaction (especially in contrast to her other posts prior), it felt like scum on the defensive, angry about coming under the spotlight. So I voted her.

Also on a side note, pre #262 I'd considered Ali as a possible partner for Wisdom but #262 seemed a non-faked emotional reaction so after that I didn't (and don't) think it's likely they're paired.

House's posts have reassured me somewhat about the Ali-House spot since he replaced in, as he seems to be trying to get a genuine read on people. So that's why my vote is back on Wisdom right now rather than still on Alisae.

[Bingle]

To word this better;

I was saying that he either was frustrated town or gambiting scum. I dont see the merit in selfhammering as scum, especially when liming another person grants your team a nk

I figured you weren't looking for me to explain the thing you were arguing.

I also don't think selfhammering out of frustration is an AI thing unless the frustration itself is AI, which I don't think it was from Ali.

[Bingle]

I expected Ali to have been hammered by Taly

and was vaguely hoping the null read would flip scum, then responded when the mod made a contrary call.

Let me understand this - you thought that the quote preview error I made was an actual hammer 288

But when it didn't happen 310, you L1'd

Alisae

in 405

Over 3 pages of content happened during that time. Why the wait?

And if this is an incorrect interpretation of your post

, what gave you the impression that I'd 180 on my

Alisae

townread?

I expected the mod to take the quote preview error as a vote because it fit the criteria for vote formatting and that's what I would have done as mod. When it didn't happen, I made an offhand joke about not getting a free scumflip despite not really having a read on Ali one way or another.

I voted Ali in 405 because the deadline was close and I wasn't actively against the flip.

I didn't think you had 180'd your read. I thought that either A) you genuinely did mean to not vote or B) you wanted the hammer while not having to justify yourself. The mod's actions spewed that B wasn't the case, which is angleshooty logic I was kind of avoiding acknowledging, because modspew is icky.

[House]

To word this better;

I was saying that he either was frustrated town or gambiting scum. I dont see the merit in selfhammering as scum, especially when liming another person grants your team a nk

I figured you weren't looking for me to explain the thing you were arguing.

I also don't think selfhammering out of frustration is an AI thing unless the frustration itself is AI, which I don't think it was from Ali.

So, why did you think Ali was scum?

[Bingle]

So, why did you think Ali was scum?

I didn't? I thought Ali could maybe be scum. I think you could maybe be scum. I've been pretty upfront with that. I'm pretty sure the only person who thought I was scumreading Ali was Ali.

[Bingle]

Bingle can read me well, I don't believe that guy actually reads me as scum

I can (or at least, I could in the long long ago, we haven't played recently other than that game where I replaced into doomed scum) and I'm not. I don't really have a read on you, which is kinda sorta the problem and also kinda sorta why I'm prodding you over your weird takes wrt me (because they're basically the only thing I can prod you over).

If I actually scumread you I'd be voting you instead of my halfassed vote on imaginality.

Btw y’all know Bingle is scum cuz guy has t even made an attempt to read me and guy knows my scumgame and knows this ain’t it
But apparently I’m scum KEKW

I’m… still not scumreading you.

I’m not confident you’re town. The last game we played was like two years ago, so I think your argument that I should locktowning you is :/ but I’m really interested in where this narrative that I’ve lockscummed you is coming from.

[Taly]

Yeah, I'm good with townbinning

Imaginality

. I don't think scum makes that change of vote POV seem so fluid.

Only partner I can see

Imaginality

with is

Wisdom

and I don't think we're that far into Hell this game.

[Morning Tweet]

at least someone agrees that was unbelievable af!!

[Morning Tweet]

ah i forgot mom was in this game, the worst ending is mom is scum with like anyone completely random and a lot of our work is rendered pointless

[Morning Tweet]

damnn the Wisdom wagon holds all three of my townreads

Also to confirm: was there a moment where Bingle could have hammered Ali yesterday that wouldn't have seen sus AF (In other words, not early on in the day where it impedes discussion). It seems to me like Bingle didn't really have much of a read towards Ali being scum anyway, but still someone mentioned him having to show that restraint

I do not believe Bingle could have killed Wisdom today and had that look natural from what i remember

[Taly]

Maybe I'm not thinking critically about this, but I don't particularly feel the current points against

Bingle

? Other than the lazy D1 take on

Alisae

and otherwise left-field jump into

the worst

, that's as far as I'm thinking on his slot being potential scum.

I think

Wisdom

is a better push because I feel like his jump to

Alisae

D1 was opportunistic. His EoD1 replies felt as though they came from scum trying to sow doubt in arguments that were valid against them 356 and 357 and 398. I don't follow the

Bingle

vote [

MT

being the convincing vote on that wagon] and I don't think the 1v1 with

House

has accomplished anything for either slot IMO.

And it's unusual for replacements to have similar takes on certain aspects of the game as

Alisae

did (namely townreading me, thinking

House

is a likely 8ball,

Wisdom

being scum), so I don't feel like this wagon is without solid reason.

[Taly]

I mean, I either have a solid bloc with half of the plist and this game is smooth sailing or it really isn't. But I don't know where I'd be misted with

House/MT/Imaginality

nor am I inclined to investigate heavily without any tangible flips.

I also think I'm being boxed into a UTR position which was the opposite of how I'd think the thread would react to me on EoD1.

I can't predict the 8ball ss of this moment. But

Alisae

couldn't have predicted a

Wisdom

or

Bingle

wagon judging by their posts. So that leads me to believe that scum have lost thread control and that

House

is sincere.

[Taly]

I need people to pick my brain. I think I'm being viewed as a number rather than a voice haha.

With that, I'm going to sleep, night!

[Save The Dragons]

Vote Count 2.5

3 Wisdom (House, Taly, imaginality)
3 Bingle (Morning Tweet, Wisdom, the worst)
1 the worst (Bingle)

Not voting: Momrangal

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to yeet

Deadline:

D2 ends at (expired on 2021-10-02 17:15:04)

[House]

Bingle isn't my first choice, but I'd hammer the wagon because I'm positive he's not the 8-ball.

Still think I am, with the possibility that Taly could have been 8-balled as a ploy to eliminate him for WK'ing me (kinda doubt it, but not outside the realm of possibility).

I don't see any world where Wisdom or Bingle is 8-Ball, as neither were under pressure before MT & I arrived.

[Morning Tweet]

Maybe I'm not thinking critically about this, but I don't particularly feel the current points against

Bingle

? Other than the lazy D1 take on

Alisae

and otherwise left-field jump into

the worst

, that's as far as I'm thinking on his slot being potential scum.

I think

Wisdom

is a better push because I feel like his jump to

Alisae

D1 was opportunistic. His EoD1 replies felt as though they came from scum trying to sow doubt in arguments that were valid against them 356 and 357 and 398. I don't follow the

Bingle

vote [

MT

being the convincing vote on that wagon] and I don't think the 1v1 with

House

has accomplished anything for either slot IMO.

And it's unusual for replacements to have similar takes on certain aspects of the game as

Alisae

did (namely townreading me, thinking

House

is a likely 8ball,

Wisdom

being scum), so I don't feel like this wagon is without solid reason.

I agree I think Wisdom is a good push, although moreso because I think his responses to imagineality/Alisae were easily scum-motivated and also are different from my own assessments (I think both are town). I think Wisdom is more or less hand-waving you with those defenses too, though, yeah.

[Morning Tweet]

It more or less feels like Wisdom needs his scumreads to go down in order to win, I'm not sure I buy his arguments to me that I'm thinking too surface level about Ali/imagine's D1 behaviour. Possibilities are different from likelihoods, and generally Occams Razor works. Is it possible Ali was doing a fake hammer play to score points, sure. The frustration post I think is decidedly NAI or slight town (I'm used to Ali!scum being townier than that, you see).

And with regards to imagine I just find it a pretty impressive read progression if faked because on a surface level it seems way too obvious for scum to do.

I'm a little less convinced Bingle/Wisdom exactly is the team. Maybe Wisdom + Mom/worstie more likely. I am starting to think you may be right that it was just a bad take by Bingle, perhaps.

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Morning Tweet]

I'm not sure there was a real reason for Bingle to force a vote on Ali (Save for town voting at deadline to get an elim, perhaps). I still haven't thought of an answer to that