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In post 73, Bingle wrote:Extrapolating from that, the thought of "X is likely not the 8 ball because they're not being pushed when there's a modicum of interest" isn't one I think is as likely from scum who would I think will be more self conscious about what pushing the eightball looks like.
I guess I should actually read the OP. I figured the reference to 8-Ball in the title was nothing more than flavor.
In post 466, House wrote:Oh great. So as Ali was heavily suspected on d1 this slot was probably chosen to be the 8-ball for d2, so that my lim would cost town 2 players.
In post 78, Taly wrote:Am I likelier the 8ball than I am wagoned-scum?
Are the two worlds mutually exlusive? (Could I be scum and 8ball)?
You dont feel like scum so yes
I dont think scum go for that route so early but if you flipped scum I could consider it
We'd know if Taly were the 8-ball, as the rules clearly say the 8-ball will flip as 8-ball if eliminated. And besides, whether or not the mod announces it, it'll be obvious by whether scum get a kill that night.
All of which is to say the "if you flipped scum I could consider it" seems more likely to me to come from scum talking to town than from town. Scum talking to town know the first part of the statement ("if you flip scum" can't occur so are more likely to give a careless consequence "I could consider it", compared with town who believe it's a genuine possibility to consider.
VOTE: Wisdom
In other news, Taly's recent posts make me lean town on him, seems like genuine reasoning/questions and the miscount of the votes on him seems more likely to come from two than scum. Also #78 where he raises the possibility he's scum rather than 8-ball.
I like the post, but I kinda don't wanna believe that Wisdom is scum because that would make me sads.
I totally get the logic and that imaginality believes in the vote. Ballsy to go after Wisdom too, I'll give them that.
In post 154, Bingle wrote:I'm not sure on ducky yet, he seems particularly hard to engage with on a meaningful level and his tone is coming across cheeky/cocky which runs counter to his fear of scum winning this. I agree that he's vaguely pushing the game in a direction to make it easier for town to win though, so he gets a pass on my paranoia for now.
I just realized I have no idea where I'm voting or what the VC looks like, please hold.
This may be a strange question, but how do you know he's pushing the game towards a town victory?
The only way that seems plausible in my limited worldview is if you're informed of who town (and thus, scum) is.
In post 107, imaginality wrote:So it's up to the rest of you whether you think that's because Taly is so obvtown, or because Wisdom is scum and knows Taly is town.
Like this is suggestive, it's like he's saying "Taly is not obvtown so I don't believe Wisdom" but he's putting it more subtly so it immediately rings manipulation bells for me
I can see it. Not really made better by him also townreading Taly.
VOTE: imaginality
My statement of imaginality having balls to go after Wisdom (on d1 of all days) was based on the assumption they were familiar... but would his team let him do that?
In post 222, Wisdom wrote:No elims are bad
Scum now have the info to change the 8ball into someone likely getting limd whereas it was a blind guess in pregame
Let's just flip Ali
Please tell me you're not still voting my slot on d2 after making this post on d1...
True, but rushed pile ons onto shitty wagons out of desperation are worse. We should try to get an elimination here, but not getting an elimination is much less bad than normal.
In post 378, Wisdom wrote:If you are town voting yourself makes zero sense
Especially if you happen to be the 8ball
You just take away the info of the 5th person on your wagon from us
In post 466, House wrote:Oh great. So at Ali was heavily suspected on d1 this slot was probably chosen to be the 8-ball for d2, do that my lim would cost town 2 players.
This sucks.
Somebody, interact with me. Find me.
I derailed your slots elimination EOD1 and I'll derail it again, I don't give any fucks I'LL 1v6 THIS PLAYERLIST IF I HAVE TO.
In post 499, Taly wrote:You know what, I don't think my vote on
the worst
will pressure him to talk anymore than me bugging the shit out of him with quotes and questions.
VOTE: Wisdom
p-edit
House
, my reads are looking like this:
House/Alisae~imaginality
the worst~Mom~Bingle~Hiraki Slot
Wisdom
Yes, there is order - from most confident to least confident in the respective tier.
I think I'd drop the Mom & Bingle down a tier, and color the rest light green.
I'm not particularly scumreading Hiraki slot. Just had to defend my friend. Didn't mean to offend him though. Was just being snarky with the first post directed at him.
In post 505, the worst wrote:I'm sad about the replace outs because I miss playing with Ali and Hiraki but it's nice to see you House.
I miss playing with Ali too.
I replaced in because I figured the slot was doomed, being the leading wagon. Just trying to save someone else the hassle of replacing in for a day or so.
Which could still be the case? I dunno. Either way, I considered it community service.
I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.
This.
Is.
Not.
A.
Real.
Thought.
No scum team picks Wisdom as 8-ball on d1, unless they know he rolled jester or someshit.
I could maybe see this, except look at the player list. If we get rid of everyone who isn’t often eliminated D1, we’re left with how many names?
I can see 3 I'd have an easier time mislimming than Wisdom as scum, and that's without having played with everyone on the list before.
Whomst? I’m unfamiliar with imaginality and hiraki, but I’d say literally everyone else is similarly hard to frame. Probably the easiest on the list is mom, but standing out as the obvious thing is also a good reason someone wouldn’t be the eightball.
I don't even know imaginality & hiraki, but I'd still pick them over Wisdom.
Mom, Alisae, and Taly are all easier to d1 than Wisdom.
is so comical, it was not a 1v1 I would have foreseen to start off D2. I'll leave my commentary at that for tonight.
(Hint: I'm implying a read here.)
this is prolly town btw
btw btw this isn't my actual catchup im just on a break
If you could like, hard townread me so that I have another defender when Taly becomes puppy chow to make way for my mislim just to give them another obstacle, I'd appreciate it.
In post 378, Wisdom wrote:If you are town voting yourself makes zero sense
Especially if you happen to be the 8ball
You just take away the info of the 5th person on your wagon from us
In post 589, Wisdom wrote:Ali is right that this justification for this vote is scummy tbh
Again, that’s not a justification. That is an EOD maybe we can get an elimination vote and a I don’t trust the wisdom wagon to not be on the 8 ball statement. They’re in the same post, they’re not directly related.
Considering there is no nk unless scum gets the 8ball eliminated, trying to shove a lim through is ++scum.
In post 378, Wisdom wrote:If you are town voting yourself makes zero sense
Especially if you happen to be the 8ball
You just take away the info of the 5th person on your wagon from us
But you're probably just scum so
Scum self-hammers
Demoralized town self-votes.
You're better than this.
Except it was not a hammer
EXACTLY MY POINT
Your point apparently is to cut my post in half and dodge what I'm actually saying entirely
You continuing to scumread an obviously demoralized town self-vote & resuming your push on the d1 wagon that didn't quite get there is exactly why I'm not moving.
In post 635, Wisdom wrote:Again, I've seen scum Ali pull similar stuff. It's not an "obviously demoralized town self-vote" to me (which btw, Ali allegedly thought is a self-hammer, so according to your 595 he should be scum for it?), and I was not about to let Ali get away with ate'ing the town
What is the newb part in all this?
The theory that it was a fake hammer gambit was also floated.
Idk what that would accomplish, but honestly idk what a lot of what Ali does accomplishes in any game.