Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

[Bingle]

On a scale from me to the worst, how fun is your scumbuddy, Ali?

Also, please orient the scale. There are wrong answers.

[Bingle]

My partner is the worst!

I'm gonna need clarification, are we talking about me or ducky here?

[Bingle]

Bingle, ask me question!!!

Um....

Purple!

No, wait, Green!

[Bingle]

How do you get your eyebrows to hover above your head like that?

[Bingle]

pagetop

[Bingle]

Any warmer, fuzzier feelings? Yo, I need to feel some.

[Bingle]

I had a very weak thought of

Mom

-8ball but everybody in the thread posted between my vote on her and my post a few moments ago. Nobody seemed to want the wagon.

If you think

Wisdom

is scum, why not join

Imaginality

?

because, I can...

VOTE: Taly

VOTE: Taly

.... SHEEP HIRAKI INSTEAD
epic twist, ultimate betrayal

This is a very compelling argument.

VOTE: Wisdom

[Bingle]

I actually think that they're antipartnery vibes, fite me.

[Bingle]

I keep looking at this thread hoping new Xofelf has started fite-ing me and being disappointed. How dare internet people have better things to do than entertain me.

[Bingle]

I actually think my drunk self was right and taly might be mafia for real.

[Bingle]

pagetop

[Bingle]

join team hiraki now for a free win!

Do you have independent reasoning to scumread Tucan Sam or are you just sheeting hiraki? The signals are blurry and mixed.

[Bingle]

Location: Bad Player Jail

Mom, Ali is bullying me. Make em stop.

[Bingle]

I'm reading both worst/Taly and Taly/Wis as not S/S. I think Hiraki and Taly are individually towny, although not strongly.

It occurs to me that I forgot to ask STD which method he's using to make deadlines a thing in this game, and I should probably do so.

[Bingle]

where's your weak townread coming from?

I had a very weak thought of

Mom

-8ball but everybody in the thread posted between my vote on her and my post a few moments ago. Nobody seemed to want the wagon.

If you think

Wisdom

is scum, why not join

Imaginality

?

I think this thought process is town because he's looking for scum based on what resembles trying to get an 8 ball elimination and I think that's a town thought to have. I don't think it's right, necessarily, but it is the kind of thought I think is slightly more likely to come from town.

[Bingle]

Wisdom's 72 is the same thing I'm reading as town from Taly, not the Wisdom scumread.

Taly is looking for the eightball and concluding that Mom isn't it based on the lack of people biting at the wagon, which seems like a thing town is more likely to think about compared to scum. I expect scum to be more worried about what voting for an eightball would look and thus reluctant to vote the eight ball. Extrapolating from that, the thought of "X is likely not the 8 ball because they're not being pushed when there's a modicum of interest" isn't one I think is as likely from scum who would I think will be more self conscious about what pushing the eightball looks like.

I'm not sure how likely scum actually is to be pushing the eightball directly, but the thought that someone is specifically not the eightball based on no one pushing them seems like a slightly town thought process.

I'll consider the peacocking angle though.

[Bingle]

I think it’s saying that if we flip Taly we’ll know whether Taly is the eight ball and scumWisdom tried to fake uninformed about something townWisdom would actually know.

[Bingle]

Spoiler: mfw i'm townreading alisae

VOTE: ali

Spoiler:

(sorry i didn't look for a better pic)

You are feeling very red m&m, aren’t you? Are you being a cheeky worst?

[Bingle]

The reason I point this out is because I read the bolded as though you knew I was 8ball. A potential slip. That's what I want clarified.

No, you misread. Imaginality was talking about the possibility of you being scum and 8ball, and that's what I was responding to

Just gonna cut this off at the knees: That was 100% not a scum slip. When discussing the hypothetical that you are the eightball, the presumption that you would flip 8 ball is natural.

Hopefully we don't have a week long argument about whether the obviously NAI post is a scumslip every game I play.

[Bingle]

I'm soulreading good vibes from

the worst

now. Shit.

He's fooled me with his cute yellow feathers before.

Really? His tone is making me worried he's scum taunting me.

[Bingle]

Wisdom admits not considering Taly as scum. So it's up to the rest of you whether you think that's because Taly is so obvtown, or because Wisdom is scum and knows Taly is town.

I don't think "Wisdom is TMI-ing Taly town" is a particularly strong reason when I think Taly town is a pretty easy stance to take.

What do you think of Ducky/Mom/Ali?

[Bingle]

For context Wis, I just got out of a game where mastina hypertunneled me for having a statistically unlikely distribution of the public mechanic under the premise that I had scumslipped, despite that making absolutely no sense in context. Mastina was town.

Where do you think imaginality showed scum motivation in pushing it?

[Bingle]

I'm not sure on ducky yet, he seems particularly hard to engage with on a meaningful level and his tone is coming across cheeky/cocky which runs counter to his fear of scum winning this. I agree that he's vaguely pushing the game in a direction to make it easier for town to win though, so he gets a pass on my paranoia for now.

I just realized I have no idea where I'm voting or what the VC looks like, please hold.

[Bingle]

Ali: Wis, Ducks, Bingle
Taly: Hiraki Ali
Wis: Imagine
Hiraki: Taly

VOTE: Ali

Don't particularly see a reason to keep my RVS Wis vote.

[Bingle]

Oh,, and mom is on ducky. Hmm.

[Bingle]

So it's up to the rest of you whether you think that's because Taly is so obvtown, or because Wisdom is scum and knows Taly is town.

Like this is suggestive, it's like he's saying "Taly is not obvtown so I don't believe Wisdom" but he's putting it more subtly so it immediately rings manipulation bells for me

I can see it. Not really made better by him also townreading Taly.

VOTE: imaginality

[Bingle]

The reason I point this out is because I read the bolded as though you knew I was 8ball. A potential slip. That's what I want clarified.

No, you misread. Imaginality was talking about the possibility of you being scum and 8ball, and that's what I was responding to

Just gonna cut this off at the knees: That was 100% not a scum slip. When discussing the hypothetical that you are the eightball, the presumption that you would flip 8 ball is natural.

Hopefully we don't have a week long argument about whether the obviously NAI post is a scumslip every game I'm scum in.

now

this

is a scumslip

[Bingle]

Bingle, why are my good vibes with the worst worth more to comment on than Wisdom's?

Your read is explicitly tonal, and I'm of the exact opposite opinion wrt tone. I can understand townreading him based on motivation or results, but that's explicitly not what you're doing.

I also didn't expect Wis would wax lyrical about his reasoning if I asked.

[Bingle]

But like, it reads like a potential slip to me too. Djdoxjsklsjshs

I'm not above peking toucan.

[Bingle]

SCRAMBLE TIME

Not really. If we hit deadline scum gets to reset the 8ball, that's it.

[Bingle]

But like, it reads like a potential slip to me too. Djdoxjsklsjshs

I'm not above peking toucan.

OKAY BUT CAN YOU MAKE A CHOICE I CAN VOTE EITHER

I'm not interested in limming either. Just lighting them on fire.

Duckie lim is actively bad for thread health atm, Taly is a townread.

[Bingle]

It occurs to me that I forgot to ask STD which method he's using to make deadlines a thing in this game, and I should probably do so.

Pm'd the dargons here.

Also worth noting that No Elimination is specifically not allowed to be 8 ball.

[Bingle]

STD wants questions via PM, not in thread. It's in the rules. Which only Bingle ever reads.

[Bingle]

Also, explicitly yes. Scum can choose a new 8 ball every night. It's like none of you have played this setup before or something.

[Bingle]

Well now ur more suspect because u knew that information and me/tw didn’t

Actually... unpack this for me?

The scum role PM is public, and it's me. Why would

me

knowing setup stuff be scum indicative at all? And haven't you played this setup before?

[Bingle]

Just the "every game I'm scum in" sounds like an admission since it seemed Bingle presumed that the Wisdom post was a red herring. Why would the first part of that sentence be true but the next be false?

You realize that's actually not what my post said originally and ducky was actively trolling me, right?

[Bingle]

no i haven't and generally scum are more likely to know these things than town

Subject: Micro Queue (Players and Mods)

I don't like this setup unless I'm town but Hiraki joined so
/in 8-ball

This threw me off. And was like 1/3 of the reason I'm in this game. Apparently there's only one completed run of this setup (according to the wiki) and it's the one where ducky ran the game. Deadline functioned the same way there (although scum could choose no lim as an 8ball) and I

was

scum against nsg and rellyphant.

We're not talking about the general case, though, we're talking about

me

. Do you actually think it's scum indicative for me to have clarified setup info with the mod? If so, why?

[Bingle]

No elims are bad

True, but rushed pile ons onto shitty wagons out of desperation are worse. We should try to get an elimination here, but not getting an elimination is much less bad than normal.

[Bingle]

reaction to being epically pranked was kinda towny though smh

Mine or Taly's? I'm not gonna lie, Taly not realizing that was a joke post kinda threw me for a loop and I'm not sure what to think about it.

[Bingle]

Vote Count 1.1

2 Alisae (Wisdom, the worst, Hiraki, imaginality)
1 imaginality (Bingle)
1 the worst (Momrangal)
1 Hiraki (Taly)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to yeet

Updated to 288. If the mod counts Taly's thing that was a hammer.

[Bingle]

Neither Ali nor Imaginality is a shitty wagon out of desperation,

Fair, and I wasn't saying they were, necessarily. I was saying that compared to most games we face low stakes and shouldn't deadline rush a lim, but that you are correct that we actively don't want to no lim and should try to keep the game active and moving despite the fact that we could theoretically take months to decide the lim.

Kind of academic at this point given the whole maybe hammer conundrum, but :shrugs:

[Bingle]

Do you think there are two scum among {me, Alisae, Wisdom}? If yes who? If no which pair are the most likely to be TvTing?

I think it is most likely there's exactly 1, and I'm kind of hoping it's Alisae and Taly accidentally hammered and I don't have to do anything to sort em. My confidence there is pretty low.

I feel like I'm relying on Wisdom/Duck/Taly this game but I don't actually trust any of them to be town which is leaving me in this weird headspace of not really having solid reads on anyone.

[Bingle]

Couldn’t just give me a scumflip, could you?

[Bingle]

Bingle can read me well, I don't believe that guy actually reads me as scum

I can (or at least, I could in the long long ago, we haven't played recently other than that game where I replaced into doomed scum) and I'm not. I don't really have a read on you, which is kinda sorta the problem and also kinda sorta why I'm prodding you over your weird takes wrt me (because they're basically the only thing I can prod you over).

If I actually scumread you I'd be voting you instead of my halfassed vote on imaginality.

[Bingle]

reaction to being epically pranked was kinda towny though smh

Mine or Taly's? I'm not gonna lie, Taly not realizing that was a joke post kinda threw me for a loop and I'm not sure what to think about it.

I now think Mom and Wisdom are town. what reality are we win smh.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

[Bingle]

Am I the only one getting the impression that duck is actively trying to make my brain explode?

[Bingle]

Am I the only one getting the impression that duck is actively trying to make my brain explode?

@Duck

[Bingle]

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

[Bingle]

VOTE: The Worst

[Bingle]

VOTE: bingle[\v] worst vote on me only because of the need to justify it

I didn't justify it, though?

Or are you talking about the Wisdom being 8-ball thing?

I voted you to maybe have an elimination before the EoD.

[Bingle]

I also disagree with the point that

Wisdom

was much or anything like a hypothetical 8ball push in nature. Unless you believe the team is literally

Alisae/I

, which does not align with what I think scum would even look like in this setup.

Why would scum push for the 8ball at the butt-ass last minute of the dayphase?

First of all, I think an 8 ball push would have come from exactly one scum player. Both scum hard pushing to get an eightball elim would be dumb. Second, I think a wagon on a player who was largely unsuspected prior to the end of day that came out of nowhere when scum are looking to get a specific elimination in is largely suspicious, yes. Third, you two weren't the only ones pushing Wis at EoD, imaginality and ducky had expressed willingness too. Finally:

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-09-23 12:19:23)

SCRAMBLE TIME

So... Yeah. I think it's entirely reasonable that there was scum somewhere in {Taly/Alisae/duck/imaginality} and that was why the sudden interest in Wisdom at "the butt-ass last minute".

[Bingle]

because i want someone else to do it first so i can sheep them and pretend it was my idea all along

reaction to being epically pranked was kinda towny though smh

Mine or Taly's? I'm not gonna lie, Taly not realizing that was a joke post kinda threw me for a loop and I'm not sure what to think about it.

I now think Mom and Wisdom are town. what reality are we win smh.

Representative worst behavior. His ISO is full of fluff, and when you try to engage him over things that aren't fluff nothing comes from it and there's no follow through. He makes sense as a partner with literally every player and he's actively lurking behind vague non reads like "Bingle and Hiraki are similar" or "There's a better vote someone else could make" which actually tells us fuckall. His mom progression is ???

As a whole, ducky is doing just enough to give the impression that he's here and he's solving, but he's accomplished nothing all while putting on this mysterious air. He doesn't seem lost, is coming across as cheeky/cocky and yet there's no movement towards a solve that I can see.

Also, he's probably not an 8 ball.

[Bingle]

Btw y’all know Bingle is scum cuz guy has t even made an attempt to read me and guy knows my scumgame and knows this ain’t it
But apparently I’m scum KEKW

I’m… still not scumreading you.

I’m not confident you’re town. The last game we played was like two years ago, so I think your argument that I should locktowning you is :/ but I’m really interested in where this narrative that I’ve lockscummed you is coming from.

[Bingle]

okay but in what situation does someone - town or scum - say "i did not vote for fast night"? honesty points?

i think that was my point overall. seems like a question where you can now choose the correct answers more than anything??

I didn’t bother voting because there’s never a fast night N1 and I’m lazy. Do I get these honesty points now? Can I use them on a toaster oven?

[Bingle]

I don’t wanna engage with ur case I just don’t see it kekw

I’ll engage with your wisdom case if you engage with my duck case. Have you ever seen town duck being so anti solvey?

[Bingle]

Let's also make sure we're being kind to each other please

I'll be kind to your face.

You have a nice face and a generally likeable personality.

[Bingle]

Question to any: Is there any plausible reason that Wisdom may be the 8-Ball

Asking this for multiple reasons

Yes. Ali/Wis/Imagine we’re the EOD pushes. Taly brought that up already D2.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Wisdom + bingle

Fucking lol. Ducky openwolfing up in here.

[Bingle]

highest probability 8-balls fmpov are probably imaginality (doubly so if imaginality is scum), maybe momrangal. i'm weakly paranoid that i'm a decent 8-ball target here, but i'm not sure if that's compelling. it is possible to eliminate me, but i'm really cute, so it's kind of annoying.

Highest probability 8 balls are people under no suspicion D1 and person no one is pushing D2. Also I own the Golden Gate Bridge and would like to sell it to you.

[Bingle]

omg i love bats, second fave animal to toucans

pockieted

I’ve never eaten bat. They seem like a poor culinary choice, tbh.

[Bingle]

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

This.

Is.

Not.

A.

Real.

Thought.

No scum team picks Wisdom as 8-ball on d1, unless they know he rolled jester or someshit.

I could maybe see this, except look at the player list. If we get rid of everyone who isn’t often eliminated D1, we’re left with how many names?

[Bingle]

You know what, I don't think my vote on the worst will pressure him to talk anymore than me bugging the shit out of him with quotes and questions.

Yeah… except him dodging all the quotes and questions is the scum activity that makes the vote good. Cmon Taly. Really.

[Bingle]

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

This.

Is.

Not.

A.

Real.

Thought.

No scum team picks Wisdom as 8-ball on d1, unless they know he rolled jester or someshit.

I could maybe see this, except look at the player list. If we get rid of everyone who isn’t often eliminated D1, we’re left with how many names?

I can see 3 I'd have an easier time mislimming than Wisdom as scum, and that's without having played with everyone on the list before.

Whomst? I’m unfamiliar with imaginality and hiraki, but I’d say literally everyone else is similarly hard to frame. Probably the easiest on the list is mom, but standing out as the obvious thing is also a good reason someone wouldn’t be the eightball.

[Bingle]

highest probability 8-balls fmpov are probably imaginality (doubly so if imaginality is scum), maybe momrangal. i'm weakly paranoid that i'm a decent 8-ball target here, but i'm not sure if that's compelling. it is possible to eliminate me, but i'm really cute, so it's kind of annoying.

Highest probability 8 balls are people under no suspicion D1 and person no one is pushing D2. Also I own the Golden Gate Bridge and would like to sell it to you.

omg you do??? how much do you want, i have $3.70 in my pocket and i can probably scrounge together a couple more bucks.

Smuggle me into your country for a visit and we’ll call it even

[Bingle]

Hm. Perhaps I’m the only person in the thread not irrationally terrified by Wisdom.

[Bingle]

Is it though?

I think that actually proves my point. Regardless of if Wisdom is town or scum, it’s clear he’s a viable elimination D1 seeing as he’s currently on the chopping block D1.

[Bingle]

House why do you think duck is town?

[Bingle]

Hm. Perhaps I’m the only person in the thread not irrationally terrified by Wisdom.

He's an nk target, not mislim bait.

Well, as of the last time we played together, anyway. It's been years.

My point is that there really isn’t mislim bait in this list, so I could easily see scum picking someone who would normally be hard to eliminate as the day 1 8-ball. And the way EOD happened, it looked like could well have been wisdom.

[Bingle]

Also, you didn't answer my direct question about your read of Wisdom. I want to hear.

Didn’t I? It hasn’t changed recently. He’s a weak townlean and I think he had significant D1 eightball equity.

[Bingle]

House why do you think duck is town?

You'll hate the answer.

I’m a big boy, rip off the band aid.

[Bingle]

No, Taly. Get back in my pocket. Remember the kittens.

[Bingle]

Also, you didn't answer my direct question about your read of Wisdom. I want to hear.

Didn’t I? It hasn’t changed recently. He’s a weak townlean and I think he had significant D1 eightball equity.

Now I *really* want that flip.

Why? We’re not going to find out the D1 8ball until endgame.

[Bingle]

why doesn't anyone want me in their pocket?

Because you’re scum and also you just want to eat the bread in there.

[Bingle]

Couldn’t just give me a scumflip, could you?

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

VOTE: The Worst

The fuck happened, here?

3 entirely unrelated posts?

I expected Ali to have been hammered by Taly and was vaguely hoping the null read would flip scum, then responded when the mod made a contrary call.

I thought the butt ass last minute wisdom push was odd/noteworthy.

I read the worsts iso and decided the massive amounts of confusion he’s generating are intentional and thus likely enemy action.

[Bingle]

You call them unrelated, then show the relation (0 posts pushing my slot with a murderous gleam in your eyes, and a sudden flip out of nowhere)

FTFY. This continued narrative that I’ve been pushing an ali elimination is baffling. I preferred an Ali elimination to a no elim. I made a joke about how I’d have preferred the mod give us a scumflip to the lack of flip while I held the ability to hammer your slot. And I actively scumread the duck.

[Bingle]

But I also wonder why Bingle feels compelled to defend Wisdom.

Because the push was weak, came exclusively at EoD and I wanted to know why it was happening? I don’t see why me being familiar with Wis has anything to do with that.

For the record, we’ve played semi regularly together for 8 or so years, but I wouldn’t consider us close by any means.

[Bingle]

So... Yeah. I think it's entirely reasonable that there was scum somewhere in {Taly/Alisae/duck/imaginality} and that was why the sudden interest in Wisdom at "the butt-ass last minute".

First of all, butt ass last minute was a direct response to taly’s use of that phrase. Second of all:

Vote Count 1.2

4 Alisae (Wisdom, the worst, Hiraki, imaginality)
1 imaginality (Bingle)
1 the worst (Momrangal)
1 Hiraki (Taly)

Not voting: Alisae

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to yeet

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-09-23 12:19:23)

This is the vote count 24 hours before the deadline for D1. Note the complete lack of any pressure on wisdom.

[Bingle]

Ali is right that this justification for this vote is scummy tbh

Again, that’s not a justification. That is an EOD maybe we can get an elimination vote and a I don’t trust the wisdom wagon to not be on the 8 ball statement. They’re in the same post, they’re not directly related.

[Bingle]

My thought with the 8ball bit was precisely this: wagon pops up with less than 24 hours to go on a player who had not been wagoned prior from a bunch of people I don’t trust in scramble mode because of said deadline. Wagon may be a last minute attempt at hitting the eightball, and I should probably mention that just in case I die and don’t get to share it because I’m heading into a work meeting.

It wasn’t really about it being wisdom or not wisdom, it was the circumstances of no one seriously wanting the elimination before right then that made the hair on the back of my neck rise. And notably: I wasn’t the only one

glad it wasn't just me

[Bingle]

Also i think Taly is town anyway

And also I think Taly's vote wasn't exclusive to Wisdom could be wrong, i think Wisdom was their best pick though. I do see my wording of "anyone but ali" isn't really right, although getting not ali off was important

Also I see imagine didn't even vote Wisdom?? So nvm basically you're just referring to Taly and Ali, no?

Imagine and duck also expressed willingness to flashwagon.

[Bingle]

But I also wonder why Bingle feels compelled to defend Wisdom.

i feel like bingle is
- missing a vibe read
- working on a consistent trajectory

he feels forced

Lol. Pull the other one. When have I ever been a tonal read? Better, what fucking trajectory? I’ve been treading water the entire game trying to get reads and the whole reason I cottoned on to you is because you have been actively working against that.

[Bingle]

SCRAMBLE TIME

if i had one bullet and wisdom and imaginality rn i think i'd shoot wisdom

except i'd cry if it was a miselim

I was remembering this I think. I do see that duck had expressed a townread on wis that he never explained after that, but I didn’t have time to reread for accuracy while making that post. All I can tell you is what I remember thinking.

[Bingle]

Anyway, bedtime was 4 hours ago. I’ll see you all on the morrow.

[Bingle]

But I also wonder why Bingle feels compelled to defend Wisdom.

i feel like bingle is
- missing a vibe read
- working on a consistent trajectory

he feels forced

Lol. Pull the other one. When have I ever been a tonal read? Better, what fucking trajectory? I’ve been treading water the entire game trying to get reads and the whole reason I cottoned on to you is because you have been actively working against that.

this isn't a tonal read lol

“Bingle has a missing vibe.” Ducky, 2021
“Bingle isn’t a tonal read.” Also ducky, 2021.

I note you completely ignored the other lie I called you out on.

[Bingle]

Combined with how Bingle (apparently, i could be corrected) can read Ali well.

I used to be able to. We haven’t played in a year and a half outside of me repping into his scum team in a game that was mech solved.

I’m pretty sure I already pointed that out, too.

[Bingle]

what did you call me out on?

What is my consistent trajectory?

For that matter, what vibe did I miss that I shouldn't have?

[Bingle]

The theory that it was a fake hammer gambit was also floated.

Circumstantial evidence and frustration from Ali suggest e was genuine in thinking it was a self hammer. I'm not sure why either of you seem to think that's AI. That's Ali being frustrated that no one is listening to em.

[Bingle]

I think he’s asking if I would have hammered you today, which I could have, but why would I?

[Bingle]

I don't recall anyone using that excuse today

If youre referring to Bingle's thing yesterday I agreed it was terrible

I used the inverse argument to support my duck case (there are no worlds in which duck is 8ball today) and Taly, duck and MT were interested in who might be 8 ball today.

Taly’s list was Ali/Taly/you/imagine and duck’s was duck/mom/imagine which is all sorts of made up.

[Bingle]

If hes scum, it was on purpose. Why would he selfhammer

@bingle

Im not sure what the question is. Why would scum Ali self hammer? Frustration. Why would town Ali self hammer? Frustration.

Why would town Ali fake a self hammer? E probably wouldn’t, but I don’t really think it was faked.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Ali self hammer as an information denial tool.

[Bingle]

To word this better;

I was saying that he either was frustrated town or gambiting scum. I dont see the merit in selfhammering as scum, especially when liming another person grants your team a nk

I figured you weren't looking for me to explain the thing you were arguing.

I also don't think selfhammering out of frustration is an AI thing unless the frustration itself is AI, which I don't think it was from Ali.

[Bingle]

I expected Ali to have been hammered by Taly

and was vaguely hoping the null read would flip scum, then responded when the mod made a contrary call.

Let me understand this - you thought that the quote preview error I made was an actual hammer 288

But when it didn't happen 310, you L1'd

Alisae

in 405

Over 3 pages of content happened during that time. Why the wait?

And if this is an incorrect interpretation of your post

, what gave you the impression that I'd 180 on my

Alisae

townread?

I expected the mod to take the quote preview error as a vote because it fit the criteria for vote formatting and that's what I would have done as mod. When it didn't happen, I made an offhand joke about not getting a free scumflip despite not really having a read on Ali one way or another.

I voted Ali in 405 because the deadline was close and I wasn't actively against the flip.

I didn't think you had 180'd your read. I thought that either A) you genuinely did mean to not vote or B) you wanted the hammer while not having to justify yourself. The mod's actions spewed that B wasn't the case, which is angleshooty logic I was kind of avoiding acknowledging, because modspew is icky.

[Bingle]

So, why did you think Ali was scum?

I didn't? I thought Ali could maybe be scum. I think you could maybe be scum. I've been pretty upfront with that. I'm pretty sure the only person who thought I was scumreading Ali was Ali.

[Bingle]

Bingle can read me well, I don't believe that guy actually reads me as scum

I can (or at least, I could in the long long ago, we haven't played recently other than that game where I replaced into doomed scum) and I'm not. I don't really have a read on you, which is kinda sorta the problem and also kinda sorta why I'm prodding you over your weird takes wrt me (because they're basically the only thing I can prod you over).

If I actually scumread you I'd be voting you instead of my halfassed vote on imaginality.

Btw y’all know Bingle is scum cuz guy has t even made an attempt to read me and guy knows my scumgame and knows this ain’t it
But apparently I’m scum KEKW

I’m… still not scumreading you.

I’m not confident you’re town. The last game we played was like two years ago, so I think your argument that I should locktowning you is :/ but I’m really interested in where this narrative that I’ve lockscummed you is coming from.

[Bingle]

Btw relevant to your discussion about Bingle;

In the other instance this setup has been run, he was a strong opposer of No-Elimination and commented a lot about how town should not do it in postgame as well.
If anything, his stance with regards to no elimination in this game is mellow compared to that. See 295 and 307 for instance.

Comparatively, it was a lot worse for town in that game given that scum could 8-ball no elimination. However is just correct that Decent Elimination > No Elimination > Objectively Bad Elimination, yes.

[Bingle]

An objectively bad elimination is an elimination with no accountability or an elimination on known town. I would not, for example, self hammer at deadline.

IIRC, the point I was making about no elim being bad in that game was that just sitting around and not progressing the game was a bad idea. I'll admit I'm not going back to reread my stances from then though.

[Bingle]

Why do you think duck is town, Wis?

[Bingle]

Eh. Fuckit. Maybe literally anyone will give my case the time of day tomorrow.

VOTE: Wisdom

[Bingle]

VOTE: duck

We’re in theoretical XLO. Smart I’m assuming you’ve read? What do you think about duck dodgers and all the questions he’s avoided?

[Bingle]

I forgot you were in the game at least twice, that's my guess (although i'm probably not the best person to answer that)

Pretty much this, I think. Mom just kinda disappeared from discussion.

[Bingle]

what did you call me out on?

What is my consistent trajectory?

For that matter, what vibe did I miss that I shouldn't have?

because i want someone else to do it first so i can sheep them and pretend it was my idea all along

reaction to being epically pranked was kinda towny though smh

Mine or Taly's? I'm not gonna lie, Taly not realizing that was a joke post kinda threw me for a loop and I'm not sure what to think about it.

I now think Mom and Wisdom are town. what reality are we win smh.

Representative worst behavior. His ISO is full of fluff, and when you try to engage him over things that aren't fluff nothing comes from it and there's no follow through. He makes sense as a partner with literally every player and he's actively lurking behind vague non reads like "Bingle and Hiraki are similar" or "There's a better vote someone else could make" which actually tells us fuckall. His mom progression is ???

As a whole, ducky is doing just enough to give the impression that he's here and he's solving, but he's accomplished nothing all while putting on this mysterious air. He doesn't seem lost, is coming across as cheeky/cocky and yet there's no movement towards a solve that I can see.

Also, he's probably not an 8 ball.

reaction to being epically pranked was kinda towny though smh

Mine or Taly's? I'm not gonna lie, Taly not realizing that was a joke post kinda threw me for a loop and I'm not sure what to think about it.

I now think Mom and Wisdom are town. what reality are we win smh.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

[Bingle]

You know what, I don't think my vote on the worst will pressure him to talk anymore than me bugging the shit out of him with quotes and questions.

Yeah… except him dodging all the quotes and questions is the scum activity that makes the vote good. Cmon Taly. Really.

Hm. Perhaps I’m the only person in the thread not irrationally terrified by Wisdom.

Oh, my eyes are glued to duck. But I've not been a fan of

Wisdom's

replies toward me ever since EoD1 and their thread presence has fallen significantly upon the lack of

Alisae

elimination.

Also, you didn't answer my direct question about your read of

Wisdom

. I want to hear.

Also wasn’t alone in being evaded by duck, but I think taly was townreading him later (at the very least he wasn’t really listening to my case) so I don’t think Taly kill points to duck specifically.

[Bingle]

Does anyone want to talk about how Bingle asked Wisdom a question, then hammered before getting an answer?

Frustration. It’s not like that was the first time I’d asked why people were townreading duck, and as far as I can tell the answer has been pretty much “Deal with it” with absolutely no consideration of my arguments.

[Bingle]

Maybe I'm not thinking critically about this, but I don't particularly feel the current points against Bingle? Other than the lazy D1 take on Alisae and otherwise left-field jump into the worst, that's as far as I'm thinking on his slot being potential scum.

I took this as being completely uninterested in exploring my push on duck. It actually kinda pinged b/c Taly was the other main participant in the “Asking questions at a brick wall” Olympics.

[Bingle]

Does anyone want to talk about how Bingle asked Wisdom a question, then hammered before getting an answer?

Frustration. It’s not like that was the first time I’d asked why people were townreading duck, and as far as I can tell the answer has been pretty much “Deal with it” with absolutely no consideration of my arguments.

So you still had a weak town read on Wisdom at the time you hammered him out of general frustration?

Also, you didn't answer my direct question about your read of Wisdom. I want to hear.

Didn’t I? It hasn’t changed recently. He’s a weak townlean and I think he had significant D1 eightball equity.

Yes on both counts.

I thought wis was more likely town than scum, but not strongly. I had decided he wasn’t likely an 8-ball with the vehemence literally everyone was saying he wasn’t 8-ball with, but I didn’t see the thread mood changing to a place where anyone would engage about duck without a flip.

And yes, I was entertaining the thought that Taly was deepwolfing, although that’s a pretty moo point now.

[Bingle]

So in a way it wraps back around to seeming uninformed because if i were informed Wisdom were the 8-ball I damn sure wouldn't ask Wisdom a question then just go fuck it and kill him

Bingle is the type to make that kind of calculated decision as scum.

FTFY

[Bingle]

VOTE: duck

We’re in theoretical XLO. Smart I’m assuming you’ve read? What do you think about duck dodgers and all the questions he’s avoided?

Given context, have you come to conclusions?

[Bingle]

Given context, have you come to conclusions?

Not really? It seems like he's mostly just missed/ignored questions, not dodged them.

He’s missed/ignored EVERY question. To the extent that it’s harder to find examples of duck answering a question than skipping it.

And it’s definitely intentional: one of the questions I quoted was him quoting a question he ignored. He later ignored questions about that post. And I spent a literal day phase calling him out on this which resulted in him OMGUS-ing me but voting Wisdom.

If there’s anything Moore obviously described as dodging I haven’t seen it. Duck has been open wolfing.

[Bingle]

Once is accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

25 pages worth is just the worst.

[Bingle]

Spoiler: Every post ducks has answered a question in

The reason I point this out is because I read the bolded as though you knew I was 8ball. A potential slip. That's what I want clarified.

No, you misread. Imaginality was talking about the possibility of you being scum and 8ball, and that's what I was responding to

Just gonna cut this off at the knees: That was 100% not a scum slip. When discussing the hypothetical that you are the eightball, the presumption that you would flip 8 ball is natural.

Hopefully we don't have a week long argument about whether the obviously NAI post is a scumslip every game I'm scum in.

now

this

is a scumslip

But like, it reads like a potential slip to me too. Djdoxjsklsjshs

i'd be interested in you expanding, i've had growing concerns about bingle.

Just the

"every game I'm scum in"

sounds like an admission since it seemed

Bingle

presumed that the

Wisdom

post was a red herring. Why would the first part of that sentence be true but the next be false?

Like, I can't be misreading again can I?

And why hold off on those concerns ducky, you waiting for me to be your shield?

i'm wondering why you're making up opinions. lol.

because i want someone else to do it first so i can sheep them and pretend it was my idea all along

Mom's talymaginality solve is towny

Didn't seem so on a skim.

I'll review it later.

In the spur of the moment I didn't believe in it but could totally see why someone would

But I also wonder why Bingle feels compelled to defend Wisdom.

i feel like bingle is
- missing a vibe read
- working on a consistent trajectory

he feels forced

Lol. Pull the other one. When have I ever been a tonal read? Better, what fucking trajectory? I’ve been treading water the entire game trying to get reads and the whole reason I cottoned on to you is because you have been actively working against that.

this isn't a tonal read lol

1. Duck engaging over Taly taking him misquoting me on purpose seriously.
2. Duck answering an obvious question he set bait out for.
3. Duck incidentally answering Taly’s question while talking to house.
4. Duck answering exactly half of the questions posed to him in a post. He later feigned not knowing he’d ignored me asking what scum trajectory I was supposed to have.

[Bingle]

It's not just me. He was also notably absent when Taly attempted to engage with him, and he had a townread on Taly, so it's not explained by "Oh, I think Bingle's scum so I shouldn't bother engaging with him about the game."

[Bingle]

It's probably worth noting worst has had the opportunity to engage with Bingle a bunch and recently -- it just that it was about bread, trips to Australia, and the golden state bridge

wellll time to wait for now i guess

It's not just me. He was also notably absent when Taly attempted to engage with him, and he had a townread on Taly, so it's not explained by "Oh, I think Bingle's scum so I shouldn't bother engaging with him about the game."

i don't really need to engage with scum lol
VOTE: bingle

i'd contest that bingle is like, very clearly driving an agenda-driven lim. i had a busy week and spent my time finding scum, rather than answering questions which didn't interest me much. not sorry.

Dafuq is this sequence?

Mt: duck avoided Bingle to fluff.
Bingle: duck avoided Taly too, so it wasn’t about his scumread on me.
Duck: I avoided Bingle because he’s scum!
Also duck: I avoided Bingle because I’d caught scum!

What even is this bullshit?

[Bingle]

wait. that would be endgame.

yes. i strongly suspect i am the 8-ball.

This makes only slightly more sense than when duck said he was probably the eightball yesterday and is pretty blatant atf.

[Bingle]

Hot take I think both scum are on this page

That’s a less hot take when you realize it’s only two townreads, but I can hunt his partner after we’ve burned the

witch

duck

small pebble.

[Bingle]

Someone mentioned Ali has never self hammered as scum

Hi. I’m someone, and that is loosely adjacent to something I said. I said I was pretty sure that Ali was actually motivated by frustration, not faking the self hammer because she’s not the kind to self hammer as scum to deny info and IS the kind to self hammer due to emotion.

My last game with Ali I repped in when town had literally solved the setup and we still managed a back and forth for a page in the scum pt about how absent scum partners make playing scum a fucking chore. Ali himself mentioned that he hates being scum in this setup in the queue.

It also would have made sense that Alitown would be frustrated because she was being hardtunnelled by wis and that is frustrating.

It’s why I had a null read on Ali in the first place. Nothing e did is unlikely as either alignment, which is frustrating because I used to be really good at reading Ali and I don’t have any real confidence reading house. (Not that I’m not happy to play with you, just that I don’t think I’m an authority on telling your alignment, house)

[Bingle]

Oh my god

Imagine has quite possibly gunned for all 3 8-balls if my interpretation is correct. Not only that, their pushes are almost exclusive to those 3 (Ali D1, Wisdom D2, Bingle D3)

Granted they tunneled Wisdom early D1 and have spent 100% of their posts sussing Bingle today but havent committed there yet

Imagine was also the cw that never was to Ali D1. I sheeped wis’s case there mostly to see if wis was serious about the read, but it not taking off because scum were pushing us towards Ali makes a certain kind of sense.

[Bingle]

We lose if town 8 ball flips house

I understand this, but it made me giggle. Like we’re all going to vote 8ball and just see who flips.

I’m gonna be busy for a bit, but I’ll be around later. If anyone has questions they need answered, post em now.

[Bingle]

@Bingle:

I thought wis was more likely town than scum, but not strongly.

I had decided he wasn’t likely an 8-ball with the vehemence literally everyone was saying he wasn’t 8-ball with

, but I didn’t see the thread mood changing to a place where anyone would engage about duck without a flip.

Why would that convince you? I mean, scum would lie to you. You don't seem like someone who gets swayed by other people's views compared to your own.

Didn't you yourself in your past game of this (the one someone linked to when they said you're against no-lims) argue town should vote without caring whether someone might be 8-ball or not? Have your views changed since then?

I do tend to trust external reads over my own when I have reason to do so, actually. More to the point, whether Wis was the 8 ball wasn't a function of whether I would 8 ball Wis, but rather whether other people would 8 ball Wis. I assumed that the vehemence everyone was arguing he couldn't be 8 ball made it less likely some other person would 8 ball him. Which is an interesting angle of analysis that I should probably do but am probably also not going to do tonight. If someone wants to save me the effort and look at who was most likely to be bullshitting their stance of "Wis can't be 8 ball" I'd be obliged.

Dafuq is this sequence?

Mt: duck avoided Bingle to fluff.
Bingle: duck avoided Taly too, so it wasn’t about his scumread on me.
Duck: I avoided Bingle because he’s scum!
Also duck: I avoided Bingle because I’d caught scum!

What even is this bullshit?

Do you believe what you're saying here (there's at least one obvious reasonable interpretation of the worst's comment), or are you just looking for excuses to attack the worst?

I... What? Do you seriously expect anyone would ever say "No, I'm just pulling shit out of my ass?"

In any case, the issue isn't that the worst isn't responding to JUST me. I pointed out that that was explained by worst thinking I was confscum. The issue is that the worst isn't responding to fucking anyone, including his townreads, and his immediate response to that was "I'm ignoring you because you're scum." It's a blatant misrep of what's actually scummy about his behavior. And then to double down and misrep MT's callout that he was clearly around and engaging in fluff but avoiding content he setup the I spent my time finding scum instead. You know: ignoring MT. Who he thinks is town.

[Bingle]

Didn't you yourself in your past game of this (the one someone linked to when they said you're against no-lims) argue town should vote without caring whether someone might be 8-ball or not? Have your views changed since then?

I was looking for this to respond to it and didn't realize it was in the same post I'd already responded to.

I do think that it is protown to scumhunt normally D1 and vote whoever you think is the scummiest regardless of 8 ball equity, because tying an arm behind your back to make scumhunting harder is more likely to end in a town elimination and tainted scumhunting for analysis. If I were townduck, absolutely convinced that Bingle was scum, I would be voting Bingle. As town Bingle, absolutely convinced duck is scum, I'm voting duck.

I also don't think scum should try particularly hard to get an 8 ball elim on D1 because it risks giving town more information than they would otherwise have to solve the game and makes scum play unnaturally, which is the easiest way to catch them. As scum for D1 I would probably have unprovably randomized who the eight ball choice was (or if it had been an option chosen no elimination) because 7p with town having shit information isn't much worse for scum than 6p with town having decent information. Whether scum actually did that or not is something I have to wait to see for endgame.

[Bingle]

Do you value scum not being able to try and WIFOM you over helping us not lose Xylo?

Yes. Also it's probably not xylo.

It's definitely misyeet-8-ball-lo

[Bingle]

House, please don't check out like this. I think you're likely town and I think we need your voice in the mix. Especially as everyone else is fairly active now (except maybe the worst) so it's going to significantly help to make that conversation 67% town voices and town thoughts, rather than 60%.

Possibly more to the point, it's 4 to lim and there are 4 remaining townies.

[Bingle]

if you think I'm scum with Bingle, I guess this probably just looks like some classic worst scumfuckery trying to sneak in a wagon on a third party 8-ball so call my bluff, I guess. whatever you do you.

On the contrary, this reads like you're worried I'll be conftown when you flip red and you're trying to WIFOM that shit.

[Bingle]

if you think I'm scum with Bingle, I guess this probably just looks like some classic worst scumfuckery trying to sneak in a wagon on a third party 8-ball so call my bluff, I guess. whatever you do you.

On the contrary, this reads like you're worried I'll be conftown when you flip red and you're trying to WIFOM that shit.

[Bingle]

I should effort, but RL is being a bitch. Hopefully I'll be around to catch up tomorrow.

[Bingle]

fwiw scum!me still needs to acknowledge that he's in trouble and either

- divert attention off the 1v1 and

NGL, this seems like exactly what ducks has done. I don't really think my play today and yesterday is different at a me level. I am pushing ducks. I was pushing ducks. Largely over the same things, although I have brought up additional issues today as they've cropped up. The main difference in my play yesterday and today is MT giving me the time of day, but I don't see why that would lead to duckytown dropping his deathtunnel on me.

OTOH, ducky being set up to 1v1 me and then suddenly not having the support to see my elimination through and staring at his own instead going "Well akshually Bingle is bleeding town today" seems like a great move to not get limmed as scum. Maybe I'm confbiasing, but the reevaluation and back off definitely reads more like an "Oh shit" than a legitimate reconsideration of a read.

So to all those interested parties: why do you think duck is town here?

[Bingle]

Why would scum be pushing Alisae out of the gate on D2?

Why would they not be?

[Bingle]

Do you value scum not being able to try and WIFOM you over helping us not lose Xylo?

Yes.

Also it's probably not xylo.

Helping us elim scum and ideally avoid hitting the 8-ball seems like a better way to deny scum the chance to WIFOM you than not sharing your reads. One fewer scum means half the amount of sneakiness to sift through tomorrow.

Just gonna comment on this whole train of thought as a whole despite it being a whole thing with MT/SS/imagine: obfuscating reads here seems kinda dumb. If we eliminate scum we live to see another day and potentially score another mislim. If we eliminate non8balltown the person the scumteam 8ball doesn't matter anymore, because any town elim loses us the game. If we eliminate town8ball the game is over. Hiding reads so that scum is less effective at guessing tomorrow's 8ball is incredibly backasswards here, and it's weird that this has persisted as long as it has.

[Bingle]

Snip

TIL: there are apparently 2.1 8 balls and also imaginality doesn't know how probabilities work.

I'd wager there's something like a 80% Bingle 20% SS/House split on the 8ball here. I don't think anyone expected me to gain traction on a duck push today, and the only person who might've had the opportunity to derail the obvious lim on me as scum is actively pushing away from the duckling too. I don't think MT scum really makes sense (why not shut up and let me die, winning the game?) from a universal standpoint, but even if she is somehow 5D chessing this and playing for towncred in the case I slip the yeet on my own merit I don't see her 8 balling duck.

House/SS could maybe be 8 ball based on the interactions with Wisdom looking limmable in the former case and just all around not being in the thread in the latter, but I don't think either case is likely.

But really, none of that matters, because limming not the 8ball is a stay of execution and limming scum is actively winning the game. You don't win a game by playing a "at least I don't lose right away" strategy as town.

[Bingle]

I mean he just listed me as his bottom read and also unlikely to be the 8-ball, so like...

No he didn't?

Like, yes, he said you were unlikely to be the 8 ball but he also listed both me and duck as more scummy than you.

[Bingle]

Can I hammer S_S?

I want to see if Skittles really are candy-filled.

I would have asked to hammer the worst, but I'm allergic to duck blood.

I think someone on the internet told me something about skittles tasting like rotten flesh. On the other hand, duck is too greasy and not a particularly good meat, so you're not really missing anything there.

oh I'm a vegetarian! wanna be best friends, after we settle this small matter of your problematic wincon?

Most of my food-animals are vegetarian, does that count? I mean... I'm assuming. I don't actually know if I eat more cow or pig for sure, but I feel pretty safe in the assumption that cow+chicken+deer > pig, and that is the bulk of my animal diet.

[Bingle]

Oh that's a good point I would have probably already won as scum, all I have to do is finish what I started yesterday lul

I mean... technically an external PoV could think we were a pair ig? But any team of MT/NotBingle just shuts up, votes Bingle, takes the W, and goes on a trip to Disneyland.

[Bingle]

weirdly i kinda agree, if i'd 8-balled wisdom i would absolutely start by pushing someone else then switch to him

+1

Also, ducky at some point made a comment that a 3rd party would assume he'd win the 1v1 between us and he hoped I wouldn't get offended by that. I did not. I'm not even a 3rd party and I assumed ducky would win the 1v1 between us.

[Bingle]

can the town in worst/ss/imagine please stand up

[Bingle]

Though I mean, I don't really know how else you were supposed to read it.

His reads list was scummiest at the top with percentages, but I can see the confusion there.

[Bingle]

Why would they not be?

Because he wasn't the 8-ball and it was entirely plausible that he just got quicklimmed?

If house is town that seems like a win/win for scum to me tbh. Either scum gets an easy elimination that doesn't blow back a lot of suspicion or scum gets to later fall back on this exact argument if they flip Wis. (I didn't start there!) If house is scum then sure, I could see that as an argument that tweet/duck aren't, but it feels like you're presupposing the read to generate the reasons. And honestly the logic applies to me as well. I started the day with a case on Duck that I had no way of knowing wouldn't be taken seriously on the back of literally no one explaining themselves about it. If I were scum, I would have run the risk of getting a duck elimination instead of a Wisdom one. And if I were scum that would still be a win for me assuming we weren't in the magical world of Bingle/Duck S/S theater, because we'd be walking into the next day with fewer townies.

[Bingle]

can the town in worst/ss/imagine please stand up

GTH I think it's smart atm, because the narrative duck and imagine are setting up of a duck/Bingle team looks a lot like trying to get me eliminated after duck flips.

I'm much stronger on the duck read than the imagine one and I'm not wholly convinced House isn't scumcoasting after seeing a distinct lack of blowback for tunneling, although I agree that that's probably just a paranoia read.

[Bingle]

Bingle
Tweet


House



Smart
Imagine














Duck


is roughly where I sit.

[Bingle]

His reads list was scummiest at the top with percentages, but I can see the confusion there.

The post we're talking about was before he posted that.

Sure, by 2 posts. But given that his reads list was inverted and his original post was "despite SS being lower... ...he might be the better choice" implying that the outside influences swayed him from a stronger scumread to a weaker one, I think it's pretty safe to say that my interpretation is in fact the correct one. I'm not denying that your reading of the post was reasonable in hindsight though.

[Bingle]

Taly was obvtown read by quite possibly everyone other player in the game

Not me, but I also wasn't really advertising that.

[Bingle]

If you haven't already, you gotta try some bison steak.

I have. Bison also makes really good burger.

My food strategy is largely "I'll try anything twice," on the presumption that if it tasted bad because of preparation I have a chance of catching it by finding a different person to prepare it.

[Bingle]

Snip

It's not so much that I think you're expecting the play to work but that I think you're mostly backed into a corner and didn't have a lot of options other than keep me on the table. If indeed there are 2 scum in you/SS/imagine and I'm the 8ball you frankly don't have a lot of avenues to victory.

I'm also not really trusting your "I'll lay down and die in 1v4 because town will win in 3way" because if you lay down and die in 1v4 I think it's pretty obvious that mt dies at night and we have a 3 way where we're not actually guaranteed to hit scum and I think you know that.

[Bingle]

what's your alternative?

I'm not sure what you're asking.

[Bingle]

Doesn’t that logic apply to everyone, though, SS? Like… if the scum team thinks Alihouse is an easy mislim who isn’t suspicious to push and will likely go through, why doesn’t *any* scum team pick Alihouse as the 8ball.

It seems like you’re using a really weak case against House to justify a townread on mt and duck, when it really doesn’t have much to do at all with mt and duck.

[Bingle]

@Bingle @the worst are you on board with limming SS today? Pretend you can't hear what the other one is saying, like prisoners' dilemma.

Spoiler: NO BINGLE

yeah i am

Same.

ngl, I feel really disappointing because I just haven't had the spare time to give this game the last few days any y'all deserve better, but I'm like borderline on declaring V/LA.

I feel like worst is probably just the answer but I need to reread if I'm going to try to strongarm that and I don't know that I have the chance, so MT you're probably getting sheeped. Sorry.

I also likely won't be voting fast night unless something changes drastically.

[Bingle]

Bingle has apparently fuckin disappeared

Sorry, just got dropped on me that some project specs are way different than I thought they were and I’m scrambling to catch up. I’m around enough to read the thread during breaks but all of my cognitive power is elsewhere, probably for the rest of the week. Not a big fan of the “Bingle is prioritizing RL.” Shade though

[Bingle]

VOTE: worsty

(ﾉ︵･､)

<3

FWIW, I am town. I also feel like duck's posting in my absence is openwolfing so hopefully your paranoia is solved here in a minute.

[Bingle]

@Bingle @the worst are you on board with limming SS today? Pretend you can't hear what the other one is saying, like prisoners' dilemma.

Spoiler: NO BINGLE

yeah i am

Same.

ngl, I feel really disappointing because I just haven't had the spare time to give this game the last few days any y'all deserve better, but I'm like borderline on declaring V/LA.

I feel like worst is probably just the answer but I need to reread if I'm going to try to strongarm that and I don't know that I have the chance, so MT you're probably getting sheeped. Sorry.

I also likely won't be voting fast night unless something changes drastically.

Spoiler: duck thoughts, only click if you're ready for your mind to be corrupted by evil pond water

town's only real vector to loss atm is if we hit 8 balls back to back, or if the scumteam is something goofy like 2 of {me, Bingle, imagi, house} or it's like, Bingle + {ss, hoise} (associatives suck but Bingle's push on me is independently towny. I think him freezing now we're coming down to the wire is probably not a good sign.

All in all I think you're overthinking it though. Given how d1 finished, and how passively today shook out til I flipped the table, tw/bingle was meant to be the main event. The scummier slots in the game (imagi/ss) are weakly positing that eliminating in them is a bad idea because of 8-ball equity, but aren't really committing to solving the balance of slots for non-8b scum. I think that's a reasonably strong indicator the solve is just imagi/ss. My wild card rn is actually imagi/Bingle but I think we lose that game most of the time.

I know scum took the hardmode elim on d2, but also remember that was a very significant 1v1 between wisdom + imagi which invented on d1. It was a challenging elimination, but it wasn't an impossible elimination and there was some level of anticipation for a significant swing back against Wisdom. I think Ali would have been too obvious an 8-ball choice for d2 in hindsight, but hindsight is 20/20, etc.

I don't think it's you and I don't think it's House. I don't reeeeally think it's Bingle. SS and imagi fit for what I'd expect scum to be doing here (working different reads and different pockets while hoping y'all independently fall on the wrong side of the fence but preparing for the worst). I think we just yeet imagi today - 8-ball equity isn't all that high but scum equity is v high.

Imagi is postin real cute here because he knows he has a high risk of going down and his partner has a decent way to go, I think. Behaviourally I'd be pretty surprised if that's coming from non-8b scum (but I'm fallible ane like to be surprised)

pedit: I was starting to suspect it, but still, my heart soars.

nearly high noon y'all

good is the MT + Bingle show rn (which means it's the MT show because Bingle has apparently fuckin disappeared), I can offer opinions but I'm wary that I'm not really trusted here.

Bingle has apparently fuckin disappeared

Sorry, just got dropped on me that some project specs are way different than I thought they were and I’m scrambling to catch up. I’m around enough to read the thread during breaks but all of my cognitive power is elsewhere, probably for the rest of the week. Not a big fan of the “Bingle is prioritizing RL.” Shade though

it's not shade

real life gotta real life
you're just like, literally not here rn while we're making a significant decision
wouldn't imply for a moment that you should be prioritising this over real life, it's just... a thing...

we need every townie to agree, so like. if i'm run up today then i'm run up, so be it. don't hammer test multiple people, please. that just dramatically increases the probability of wagoning the 8-ball and getting quickhammered into the L.

I'm just thinking about why I cannot seem to figure out SS/imagine/worst, at all. We're probably not going to instantly lose voting worst, but Bingle/imagine will win if we ever eliminate SS, which is a huge pain.

after hard townreadin bingle for a bit i'm swingin back to bingle/imagi as well
imagi still a better lim. ss is not a good lim. i may not be 8ball cleared.

This series of posts is what I'm talking about. Worst never outright comes out and says he's scumreading my absence, but his townread on me is like: "Bingle is hardefforting and showing his townyness" but the moment I wasn't around to actually put in the effort he started putting feelers out on whether he could get an elimination on me again. It just reads super opportunistic that his reevaluation of me came exactly after I revealed that I wouldn't be able to effort, likely until the end of the day.

And yes, I'm aware that worsty is hammered and my input is a dollar short and a day late. One way or another I'll have free time again if the thread reopens though!

[Bingle]

I mean yeah, one way or the other.

Although if it is, say, imagine/ss they won't quickhammer if worstie isn't 8-ball.

I don't really mind

It's not imaginality.

House, can you talk to me about this read?

[Bingle]

Everyone should be aware of this but if town votes for town, it's game over due to it being Xylo even if that player isn't 8-ball

The extension of this is that the 8 ball is almost certainly on scum, but we should be playing this as a regular 5p XLO regardless.

[Bingle]

I was invested in my theory.

Was the theory pairing specific or two independent reads?

[Bingle]

Coming into the day, I feel pretty confident in MT town, which means I need to find the town in SS/imagine/House. I'm not going to completely write off MT scum, but MT derailing my lim yesterday when she could have gotten it pretty easily is still a compelling ass reason for her to just be town. That leaves 3 teams to look at:

SS/House
SS/Imagine
House/Imagine

MT, do you think any of those are just never possible pairs?

[Bingle]

I was functionally V/LA for the end of the day, please unvote.

[Bingle]

This is XLO, if you're town not unvoting means we lose.

[Bingle]

House, please unvote.

[Bingle]

Consider this House: I'm functionally a replacement right now. Why would I not be asking about things that happened while I was absent?

[Bingle]

Fuck's sake, House, did you just drop an XLO vote and peace out the thread?

[Bingle]

Not scum, how do you think I feel?

[Bingle]

Notice how SS and imagine still havent come online

SS is VLA. Presumably we have an opportunity to get house to consider not game throwing before that ends.

[Bingle]

My lingering questions are "Was Bingle's push on worstie during D3, while worst was active genuine?" and "Why did SS townread worstie so strongly yet do so little (emphasis on the first question)?"

I mean... Yes. What makes you think it wasn't?

Duck's progression from I won't engage on anything while he wasn't receiving any blowback to what I thought was very opportunistic and manipulative engagement made me think he was scum. I genuinely thought that duck was obvscum, and the fact that you agreed with me is really the only evidence I can give that my suspicions were reasonable. If there's a specific place you'd like me to talk about my thought process I can oblige, but I don't think litigating my incorrect reads is going to be of much use, tbh.

[Bingle]

better hope so lol

I'm scum in 2 out of 3 world from his point of view, but me voting him is "gamethrowing"?

If I'm scum and he's town, I'm playing to my win con.

But he knows I'm town.

If you weren't gamethrowing, I didn't actually want you to unvote.

Like, FMPOV:

House is town and blowing the entire game.
House is scum and this is actually probably the best chance I have of catching that.

The former option was way more important to address, and thus the case I was actually addressing.

[Bingle]

I can't remember the last pro-town thing Bingle did this game

The answer is pretty much nothing. I've been a liability. I haven't had strong reads I've been pushing, had paranoia on people who have since flipped town and spent the entirety of the game either tunneled on town or sheeping Wisdom's imaginality push to try to make that a viable alternative to Ali/House which may or may not have actually been protown, but certainly wasn't very strongly protown since it ended up going absolutely no where.

My last minute attempt to put AliHouse into hammer range D1 and my frustration hammer of Wisdom when no one was listening to me may look scummy at the surface, but they're also moves that are just really blatant. Like, anyone with half a brain would know that hammering Wisdom there would bring them under a lot of scrutiny they didn't want to be under as scum.

It's a weak defense, but I'm actually pretty well regarded for my scum game and this game is not it. I could see it maybe if I were trying to set up a deep wolf partner to go the distance, but me playing this sloppily as scum doesn't match up with any of my prospective scum partners.

I know, I know. WIFOM.

[Bingle]

Didn't you mention earlier you'd do cheeky shit like that as scum because it's too obvious? But here you're saying you wouldn't cause you know it's blatant and looks bad. Which is more accurate?

I don't remember saying that I would cheekyscum in this game, although it is definitely true. My point is that I wouldn't cheeky scum with any of the people who could reasonably still be my scumbuddy.

In D&C I cheekyscummed because I was setting my partner up for the endgame. In this game my partner being one of {Ali/imagine/Mom/Hiraki} and the setup being antibus in general it is very unlikely I would commit to a strategy like that early. Ali would be pissed at me for making em play alone and I know that, I have no experience with imagine or hiraki to have faith in the carry, and Mom is questionable just because she flakes a lot.

tl;dr the question isn't would I play a cheeky scumgame (I would). The question is does this look like I played a cheeky scumgame, and I think it's pretty obvious that I haven't.

[Bingle]

I don't remember saying that I would cheekyscum in this game, although it is definitely true.

To clarify ambiguous wording: I don't recall saying that I would be cheeky as scum in general while I was posting in this game. In general, I am definitely capable of being cheeky scum.

[Bingle]

So in a way it wraps back around to seeming uninformed because if i were informed Wisdom were the 8-ball I damn sure wouldn't ask Wisdom a question then just go fuck it and kill him

Bingle is the type to make that kind of calculated decision as scum.

FTFY

I found what you were talking about, which was not at all me saying I would be cheeky as scum, but does relate to what I'm saying. I would 100% do something like quickhammer a player as scum. I wouldn't quickhammer a player as scum with a partner I wasn't sure could carry the game afterwards, and I think it's pretty obvious none of the players I could feasibly be scum with were in a position I would be comfortable leaving them as the sole scum voice at the end of D1.5.

[Bingle]

You idly voted imaginality all day, then switched to Ali when like one person voted Wisdom and you had 8-ball suspicions.

No?

I voted Ali as a WAGONS! vote, then switched to imaginality because I realized that Wis was pushing both imagine and Ali while voting Ali and I wanted to see if anyone would bite and try to shift the wagon. I spent the majority of my time poking people who were neither of them, iirc, but I didn't have any strong reads one way or the other. I leaned slightly town on Wisdom and that was about it.

Ali accused me of scumreading him a few times iirc, to which I clarified that I didn't, and said he thought I was scum for it because I should have been able to read him despite not having played a game with him in years and the general lurker-y behavior early on.

I voted Ali with less than 24 hours left in the day because it was the only viable wagon and additionally noted my thought that Wis might be the eight ball because there were two people who had voted him with like no time left in the day and two more people who were supporting the wagon prior but weren't on it: {duck/ali/imagine/taly}. I think most of them (the exception being imagine) had also expressed willingness to shift to imagine earlier, although I'd have to double check to be sure. Notably, your slot agreed with my sentiments.

All of this has been clarified multiple times, particularly on D2.

[Bingle]

- He pushed Alisae hard on D2-- like I said, my default mindset after the failed Alisae flashwagon would have been that he would quickly get wagoned again. I really do think that scum wouldn't 8-ball Wisdom and then play into this.
- He unvoted Alisae on D1 when he very well could have been the 8-ball, and then turned around and pushed Alisae when he wasn't 8-ball.

Spoiler:

Vote Count 2.1

3 Alisae (the worst, Hiraki, Wisdom)
2 the worst (Bingle, Taly)
1 Wisdom (Alisae)

Not voting: Momrangal, imaginality

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to yeet

Deadline:

D2 ends at (expired on 2021-10-02 17:15:04)

Vote Count 2.2

3 Wisdom (House, Taly, the worst)
2 House (Morning Tweet, Wisdom)
1 the worst (Bingle)

Not voting: Momrangal, imaginality

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to yeet

Deadline:

D2 ends at (expired on 2021-10-02 17:15:04)

I don't get 2 as a reason to townread duck at all. No one pushed Wisdom at daybreak D2 (other than Ali), and in fact ducky was one of the first people to switch to Wisdom. And do you have any particular reason why Ali was likely the 8ball D1?

[Bingle]

I'm good with either S_S or imaginality, at this point.

See y'all in a couple days, I guess.

I'm not. Its XLO, we should take our time.

[Bingle]

Theory: Bingle/SS/imagine are all scum

She's onto us, guys. At least she hasn't figured out House yet.

[Bingle]

Open question: who is the 8-ball?

I know imagine already answered but yea

Irrelevant. The 8 ball is always going to be on scum. If I can catch both scum, which is eight ball doesn’t matter. If I can’t then the more sure scum read is always going to be the right choice. Trying to double guess whether someone might be 8 ball today is just busy work.

[Bingle]

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

It’s things like this that leave me with doubt about House. Like, I know it can’t be me. And if it’s not me it’s at least one of them, but there ARE interactions that don’t look partnery. SS yesterday didn’t particularly seem like he was bussing imagine.

Individually, SS not knowing the reads of his main scumread is pretty :/, but so is imagine not following up on that so that I had to point out the misunderstanding in the first place.

If it is SS/imagine they’re playing a really strong distancing game.

[Bingle]

You all realize that I was repeatedly being asked to explain a comment that was made before imaginality clarified his reads, right?

As soon as he made that post I read it, understood it correctly, and took it into account. But people were asking me about my thought process in an earlier post, so I explained what I thought at the time.

:/ Are you saying that as of 967 you didn't think imagine's push indicated you were 8 ball?

Spoiler: Full progression, for ease of reference

Funnily enough I had written a note to myself about the same idea (voting SS) to muse on before I went to sleep.

Because ironically despite Something_Smart being lower than Bingle and the worst in my individual reads, the fact he's arguably less likely to be 8-ball and can be buddies with either of them does make him possibly the best choice of the three to eliminate today. Least likely game-losing if we get it wrong. And we gain an extra mislim if we are right. Compared to if I'm right about Bingle being scum, if he's 8-ball it'll still be 8-ball-lo tomorrow. And that would be a riskier time to elim SS as he'd be more likely 8-ball then.

The cons of this idea: we didn't think Wisdom was 8-ball so maybe it's better to not try to second guess what scum have chosen.

I'm thinking about it. Breakfast first.

Probably worth noting similar thoughts should apply to people with combinations of me and Bingle or the worst in their suspects I guess, I'm probably a safer elim than either of them in terms of less likely game ending if wrong.

@Something_Smart

- how likely do

you

think it is that you're the 8-ball?

Rising rapidly.

Mathing it out, from my perspective:

Odds of people being scum (low-ball estimates)
70% Bingle is scum
60% tw is scum
40% SS is scum
20% House is scum
10% MT is scum
0% I'm scum

Odds of people being 8-ball if town (higher end estimates):
80% Bingle is 8-ball if town
40% tw is 8-ball if town
30% SS is 8-ball if town
20% House is 8-ball if town
10% MT is 8-ball if town
30% I'm 8-ball if town

Bingle lim: 70% we lim scum, 24% we lose
Tw lim: 60% we lim scum, 16% we lose
SS lim: 40% we lim scum, 12% we lose
House lim: 20% we lim scum, 4% we lose
MT lim: 10% we lim scum, 1% we lose
Me lim: 0% we lim scum, 30% we lose

This was useful I didn't think SS and the worst were so similar in terms of chances of us losing if we're wrong about them.

I'd encourage others to do a similar analysis from their perspectives.

For me the above leads me to think the right vote for me is:
VOTE: the worst

Can I take this to mean you believe my push of you is suspicious and 8-ball motivated?

Imaginality's is, but same idea.

imaginalitys push on... not you?

I mean he just listed me as his bottom read and also unlikely to be the 8-ball, so like...

I mean he just listed me as his bottom read and also unlikely to be the 8-ball, so like...

No he didn't?

Like, yes, he said you were unlikely to be the 8 ball but he also listed both me and duck as more scummy than you.

I bolded the ambiguous part of imaginality's reads which frankly I don't see as making sense at all if you don't parse them as Bingle - Duck - SS scummiest to towniest in the first place, which is the heart of my issue with SS in that exchange.

[Bingle]

That is actually a pretty reasonable parsing of what he said, actually. Taking the SS is lowest as a personal read and Bingle>Duck>SS as a perceived thread preference kinda does make sense in hindsight. Hmmm.

[Bingle]

Not really my issue so much as that it reads anti-partnery to me.

I mean... I don't care if you don't have an issue with it? If I can develop a strong read on SS this game gets a whole lot easier.

[Bingle]

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

what is this post

like actually what is it

Can we all just assume I posted all those things I posted D2 which explained that post, or do we have to beat that horse again?

[Bingle]

Like I know Bingle and I know that he would do something like that. Because if he gets executed the next day then it goes right to theoretical mylo if scum can guess the execution target.

What leads to any of these conclusions?

[Bingle]

Bingle do you ever get tired of being the 8-ball?

I can 100% guarantee that any scumteam that made me 8 ball today is shitting the bed fantastically, given, you know, they win with my elimination regardless of whether I'm the 8 ball.

[Bingle]

My point was whether or not SS interpreted imagine's posts reasonably I don't think it matters to his alignment.

Sure it does. If SS was obviously not making an attempt to read the post then that's VERY scum indicative for SS. The point was finding out if SS had a reasonable parsing of the post because if it was as bad as I thought it was it implied he just didn't bother reading it and was instead throwing shit at a wall to see if it stuck.


Scum team is confirmed not me/bat, btw.

[Bingle]

Scum team is confirmed not me house

[Bingle]

It’s the difference between likely true and confirmed true. Scum us was unlikely, now scum is is impossible, from everyone’s PoV.

[Bingle]

Like I know Bingle and I know that he would do something like that. Because if he gets executed the next day then it goes right to theoretical mylo if scum can guess the execution target.

What leads to any of these conclusions?

[Bingle]

VOTE: House

SS, give me a chance to convince you before throwing the game away please.

[Bingle]

I don't need permission, I need the free time to put the post together. Thanks for the shade though.

[Bingle]

I won't blame you for making the wrong choice, SS, just for not giving me the opportunity to show you the right one.

Also, SS was conftown as of yesterday, which anyone who was reading for alignments would have known House. Especially you, as you were literally involved in making it happen. Thank you for explaining why MT died over SS though.

[Bingle]

Okay, so narrative of Bingle-Scum:

Bingle plays D1 with no regard towards how he's read. He explicitly doesn't have any strong reads and is willing to float on just about anything. He floats onto his partner after a mediocre case from Wis to allow the wagon to be potentially viable, but doesn't do anything to make that credible as a bus. There's no real attempt to push the read. There's no real thrust to get towncred anywhere. He just kind of is. At the end of the day he throws out a E-1 vote to attempt to entice town into hammering AliHouse without scumreading AliHouse.

Bingle also plays D2 with no regard to how he's read. He pushes an unpopular choice (duck) and hammers Wisdom in an objectively scummy manner because he's absolutely sure that his partner can win the game on his own. His partner, imaginality, who has shown... No real ability to endgame. The Bingle/imaginality scumteam then chooses to 8ball imaginality (supposedly the player that is going to be the endgame anchor).

That's not a plan to win the game. That's a plan to throw.

Compare: House, yesterday was hardpushing you and me. He showed absolutely no reluctance to voting either of us and was clearly unconcerned that anyone would come in and hammer when he left his vote on me and later on you. His objective was... getting an elimination that would immediately end the game in a scumwin. He abandoned the "I'll never vote imaginality" stance only when you and MT made it explicitly clear that you wanted to eliminate me the next day.

Bingle's online now, or was not too long ago anyway.

If you vote imaginality, he has to lurk out till deadline. But there should be enough time that it will be evident that he could have hammered.

I was, in fact, provably on site during the whole crazy posting session yesterday. I was, in fact, provably around both before and after this post, which would have given a theoretical scum me the ability to win the game:

If we hammertest both of you on me (for example) it proves that either I am scum, or it's Bingle/imagine. If we hammertest both of you on both of us, then the only possible teams are me/Bingle, imagine/Bingle, and me/imagine.

But, you don't really need Bingle's help for that; you can hammertest each other.

True.

VOTE: Something_Smart

I was not, in fact, checking this thread at that time, but given that as scum I would know that all I would need was a single towny to vote to be able to win, I damn sure would have been paying attention. If I were scum, I literally would have won the game by paying attention to it during a timeframe that I was explicitly available to do so. Not a short time frame, either, the vote was there for almost half an hour.

The first one, I mean I know you're a calculating player, and my perception seems to be that you don't consider yourself an exceptionally strong scum player (Perfect Masquerade comes to mind), and so I can see you deciding that making sure one NK doesn't slip away and unlocking a second if you are ever executed is worth your life. I would probably have done the same, if I was scum in your position there (though it would depend on who my partner was). In fact I recently did a very similar thing in Radio Buzz, where I made a scumclaim hammer to prevent the town from coordinating their vig shots. So that's the kind of vibe I got from your hammer-- especially since I framed it in an almost identical way (I know this is bad but I'm fed up that people aren't listening to me).

I'm not a bad scum player. By any metric. It was brought up multiple times this game, but recently I was eliminated by town on a shit tunnel because my play was too high quality to be town me. I'm not kidding:

Subject: mini theme 2229: MBOS 13 schweppes' pulpy potions daya 5

Because I have a fairly good idea of how Bingle plays as town on D1 specifically, and this is very much not how Bingle plays D1 as town. In fact the very things people are townreading him for are the things that make him be scum, here. (Think an old mastina flowchart tell of sorts. If Bingle looks strongly town on D1, it's because he's scum.)

Obviously I can elaborate on this if needed but suffice to say I'm never not voting Bingle. (I mayyyyyyyyyy compromise on a different scumread if needed but I really don't want Bingle to get away here.)

House's progression the last few days has been literally "How do I ensure scum wins this phase."

[Bingle]

MT died because she votes me 0 times out of 1 million.

If I was scum, no way in Hell do I kill my champion.

Unless... You don't realize that SS is conftown because you're not actually trying to determine his alignment and you think there's a chance that I come into the day voting him.

Neither MT nor SS were likely to listen to me today, so you obviously shoot the one you know is conftown over the one you don't as scum. Hence, thank you for explaining why MT was the one who died.

[Bingle]

tl;dr

The narrative of Bingle scum only makes sense as a very surface level story. The actual case of Bingle has been a designated mislim all game makes way more sense.

[Bingle]

If you want more engagement about why it's not me, I'm happy to oblige. If you've already made the decision, I don't think I have a stronger argument than that one in me atm and I don't really care to drag the loss out.

[Bingle]

But my point is, if you're 75% confident, and you believe that House's logic is so bad that he's not going to be right more than 50% of the time (maybe 55% generously), then the best odds come if you force his hand rather than the other way around.

That make sense?

You could have hammered me here. Both MT and House were on me.

[Bingle]

How do I kill her when I need her most?

You're saying that MT conftown who lives over someone who you thought was not conftown would not reevaluate at all in 3p XLO when she didn't die. That's bullshit, and you know it. MT has spent literally the entire game swinging wildly in her reads over nightphases.

She was also sure I was the 8 ball yesterday. She was pushing me immediately prior to the day phase when she single handedly prevented my elimination from presumably winning the game for scum.

[Bingle]

THIS is why MT was confirmed town, for the record.

Technically, MT became conftown when imaginality flipped. She could still have been scum with SS at that point.

But thank you for proving my point.

If MT hadn't conftowned herself yesterDay, I'd have been paranoid of her toDay BECAUSE of her unwavering townread of me since d2 even when I was openly slanking.

Blatantly, you handed a theoretical MT/Bingle (or MT/imagine) scumteam the win by making that vote. You were provably not paranoid of MT winning there. You are provably lying about your reads.

[Bingle]

Like... House is openwolfing here, SS. He thinks the game is in the bag, because I objectively did act scummy early in the game. But if you look at your own arguments for why it wasn't SS/Bingle yesterday, you'll see that they all apply to imagine/Bingle too. Being scummy and being scum are two entirely different barrels of fish.

[Bingle]

2) It would take a special brand of potato to not know that I never kill MT as scum in this situation when she has literally carried my dead weight the entire game.

It would take a special brand of potato to not reconsider not dying as the sole conftown in a game heading into XLO, which you apparently thought MT was.

Thank you for not realizing that SS was conftown and giving me a fighting chance at winning this for town.

[Bingle]

Uh, no they don't? Most of them have to do with the Wisdom wagon.

Most of them boil down to "Bingle doing that doesn't put a scumteam of me and Bingle in a position to win." Which is equally true of a theoretical me/imagine team. Like, looking at the Wisdom wagon, imagine voting Wis to E-1 to allow me to hammer nets even less towncred than simply not being here when the hammer falls.

If I intended to setup a partner to win on the back of my outing myself to hammer, as proposed, would it be the person who had just voted the 8 ball to put them in hammer range?

[Bingle]

Vote Count 2.3

4 Wisdom (House, Taly, the worst, imaginality)
1 the worst (Bingle)
1 Bingle (Morning Tweet)
1 imaginality (Wisdom)

Not voting: Momrangal

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to yeet

Deadline:

D2 ends at (expired on 2021-10-02 17:15:04)

Vote Count 2.6

5 Wisdom (House, Taly, imaginality, Morning Tweet, Bingle)
2 Bingle (Wisdom, the worst)

Not voting: Momrangal

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to yeet

Flip incoming...

Oh, hmm. I suppose imagine wasn't the most recent vote when I hammered, and that was earlier. Still though, the idea that I qh-d Wisdom to set up imagine to endgame based on these VCs makes just as little sense as the idea that I qh-d Wisdom to set up Mom to endgame.

[Bingle]

Poke me if you need something, S_S.

Honestly, same.

[Bingle]

Bingle, why did imaginality bus Alisae to E-1 and leave him there for a significant length of time?

Did we read the same day 1? Imagine put Ali to e-1 while actively pushing wisdom with like 24 hours left in the day and it looked like an ali lim was inevitable. Wisdom was pushing both imagine and Ali. I was on imagine. Ali pushed at wisdom eod despite Ali having a better shot of survival pushing imagine. I don’t think he thought he could afford not to bus, because if the wagon had turned around onto imagine that team was sunk.

[Bingle]

If you vote me thinking I'd kill Morning Tweet when she's literally been carrying my ass since d2, YOU, sir, will be the one throwing the game

House’s rebuttal remains, as always: “MT is fucking terrible at mafia and would not reevaluate NOT DYING AS THE ONLY CONFTOWN HEADING INTO XLO”

[Bingle]

Easy street to victory is the easy to go.

I’d like to point out that leaving SS alive is also “easy street victory” from your point of view, because SS literally spent all of yesterday scum reading me. All you had to do was not let the pot get stirred and he votes me out. Your play today?

[Bingle]

VOTE: House

SS, give me a chance to convince you before throwing the game away please.

If you had anything of substance to say, you wouldn't have needed to wait for his permission to post it.

At least today won't be as excruciatingly long as yesterday.

VOTE: Bingle

Apparently the 8 minutes between your posts only gave you enough time to be defensive.

No wonder yesterday was so long.

Thanks for the shade though.

This is the height of hilarity, considering he literally opened the day with a vote on me in 3p MeLo.

This does not come from a player who thinks there’s a chance they’re the elimination. Because yesterday it didn’t look like there was a chance you were. MT and SS were both hypertunneled on it being me/imagine. Ss, you didn’t want to vote me because you were worried House would vote you in 3p, not because you had doubt about me, and you weren’t scared to admit it. House’s argument that he’d bring MT into XLO to reevaluate as the only conftown who was being a town beard is hollow noise.

[Bingle]

I won't blame you for making the wrong choice, SS, just for not giving me the opportunity to show you the right one.

Also, SS was conftown as of yesterday

, which anyone who was reading for alignments would have known House. Especially you, as you were literally involved in making it happen. Thank you for explaining why MT died over SS though.

If you vote me thinking I'd kill Morning Tweet when she's literally been carrying my ass since d2, YOU, sir, will be the one throwing the game

House’s rebuttal remains, as always: “MT is fucking terrible at mafia and would not reevaluate NOT DYING AS

THE ONLY CONFTOWN

HEADING INTO XLO”

*chuckle*

Yes. It’s almost like I’m pointing out that house didn’t realize you were conftown and he’s trying to be pedantic in order to make my argument look inconsistent because he can’t actually refute it.