Open 828 | The Brethren Coalition | Game Over!

[Pavowski]

Flavor fun. Pirate arr.

HEAL: Pav

HEAL: Enchant

Why not?

[Pavowski]

I flipped a coin and it told me to HURT: Farren

[Pavowski]

HURT: Cyrus

This is easy, got one already

[Pavowski]

Votes won't count until we form a coalition, which won't be for some time.

[Pavowski]

I'm afraid of commitment, I'm just slinging the hurt around for now

[Pavowski]

OMGUS take is scum take, now where is Cyrus's partner

[Pavowski]

Deciding who's not in the five will give us the five. I should be in the coalition but I don't expect to be unanimous for it, if I make it at all. I usually tend to get scumread. That's fine though. I don't have to be in it for town to win d1.

[Pavowski]

I will work with you pav let's remove you and I and look for the 5 why is enchant town? Can we trust std?

Why would I remove myself?

I find it hard to trust STD but who knows

[Pavowski]

For now, sure

HURT: Pav

VOTE: Cyrus

[Pavowski]

I've played 2 games with StD. In one he was scum, the other is ongoing. I just have a hard time reading him.

[Pavowski]

HEAL: Yessir for the effort to read Cyrus in good faith

[Pavowski]

4 votes to heal enchant and if we get it wrong we can't win day1

I should probably be townreading Cyrus for this.

Grumble grumble

[Pavowski]

UNVOTE: Cyrus but I am not putting you in my coalition yet

[Pavowski]

Just disagree with this. Scum can absolutely hurt themselves. Scum can even be named to the coalition without voting themselves onto it.

Self-hurting is not a townlock on anybody. And btw saying "self-hurt so I know I can work with you" is giving scum a roadmap to how to play you.

And I'm not sure about Nathann yet.

[Pavowski]

Just disagree with this. Scum can absolutely hurt themselves. Scum can even be named to the coalition without voting themselves onto it.

Self-hurting is not a townlock on anybody. And btw saying "self-hurt so I know I can work with you" is giving scum a roadmap to how to play you.

And I'm not sure about Nathann yet.

Showing good faith in pavHURT: nathann at pav who do you trust? HEAL: pav I'm showing good faith in you but I'm still asking you not to vote me till your sure you can.

Cyrus could you please direct some of your energy to some of the other players in game. You're stressing me out. And the fact that you're concerned about a single vote, which is purely a signifier right now, makes me think twice about townreading you.

I do not legitimately have anybody at this point. Some of these slots have barely spoken.

i think i like pav

Aww, thanks.

[Pavowski]

Catching up on the day. Long one at work.

And I'm not sure about Nathann yet.

Is this a "I don't have an opinion yet" or "I have a negative opinion"? If it's the latter, I'm interested in hearing about it.

No real opinion yet.

i think reading me is like a fine wine it gets better with age

HEAL: cyrus

Ugh does this mean I have to townread STD now too? Up is down

I lock in my 5.

Locking in at this point is a mistake, but probably a town one

HEAL: cyrus
HEAL: Pavowski
HEAL: Hakai
HEAL: STD

This is at least 3/5s of a good list

Truth is I didn't want to be in any ones 5. Since if the 5 fail we will be looking at them more closely.

The hell is this.

I have to remind myself that trying to make sense of Cyrus is an exercise in frustration and hair loss

[Pavowski]

Gonna go out on a limb here and HEAL: STD.

I now want to go back and see if I actually TR Enchant or not

[Pavowski]

Spoiler:

*a choir of angels starts to sing through a hole in the clouds which is pretty neat considering i'm agnostic*

As an atheist, you should probably get that checked

[Pavowski]

I now want to go back and see if I actually TR Enchant or not

*Narrator voice* He did not.

HURT: Enchant

Need more from you Enchant. I'd like your thoughts on Nathann.

And upon a reread I'm gonna say I like where Hakai is headed. HEAL: Hakai

[Pavowski]

Farren, you have Nathann in your coalition but I don't see why.

For that matter I don't see why I'm in it either.

[Pavowski]

buddy lemme offer you a deal

we will stop being lazy if you can put some effort in forming coherent thoughts before posting

This is my favorite post, locktown

[Pavowski]

I'm aiming for the win on day one

PFDPFPSDFPDPSF
AHAHAHHAHA

Sorry not wasting my mental sanity on you. Just take HEAL: cyrus62.

Spoiler:

It's not because of exact this statement but i veryvery doubt it comes from mafia with these actions and statements.

If this is serious, it's terrible

[Pavowski]

Ohoho, you are a cheeky one

[Pavowski]

something about ssbm's posts bother me

Kinda sorta feel the same, but they're only a couple posts deep.

The good thing about this is round 1 isn't necessarily about finding scum, it's about finding town.

Ssbm doesn't feel town yet.

[Pavowski]

something about ssbm's posts bother me

Kinda sorta feel the same, but they're only a couple posts deep.

The good thing about this is round 1 isn't necessarily about finding scum, it's about finding town.

Ssbm doesn't feel town yet.

Implying I will feel town later?

That might be optimistic, but in an infinite universe anything is possible

If someone does not vote themselves into the coalition in this game it is against the town wincon and serves the scum wincon.

Consider the numbers - there are 9 of us, it is 7-2. Vote yourself into the coalition. There are 3 scenarios:

0 scum: Town wins. Yay!
1-2 scum: from each town player's POV, there is at least 1 scum inside a pool of 4 where town has 3 muslims available. If there is only 1 scum, you get 3 shots to hit scum where eliminating randomly you have a 75% chance of hitting scum in those 3 eliminations (probability is 1 minus the chance of hitting town 3 times in a row, so 1 - (3/4 * 2/3 * 1/2), cancel out the fractions you get 1 - 1/4, or 3/4, or 75%.

And that's the worst case. There's a chance there are 2 scum in the coalition which makes it a 100% chance to hit 1 scum in the first 3 eliminations from a town POV.

Players avoiding the coalition are avoiding the thunderdome and are playing to the scum wincon, which is to send a sacrificial goat to the coalition and have a deepwolf outside to close the game.

I agree with most of this, but I also tend to find people who dive deep into mechanics scummy.

Sorry SSBM, you sound townish, but you're not there.

Yet.

[Pavowski]

Just throwing townreads to whoever is willing to work with you is not going to find you 5 town.

I heckin agree with this and it is upon reading this post I remind myself I only have so much stamina for decoding Cyrus in a day.

Anyway I hurted myself to play Cyrus's game for a bit but I'm done with that now. HEAL: Pav

[Pavowski]

Who gets my last slot, Cyrus or Enchant?

[Pavowski]

You are probably right, gonna marinate on it over some tacos

[Pavowski]

Yet

Alright idk if scum jokes about this immediately after I call it out. I think Pav was scum in Dead Silence but that was a lolgame and I learned nothing. Leaning town here possibly.

Spoiler:

Man, what a game that was. Think we killed seven or eight people in under 12 hours. Poor Pooky couldn't keep up with the kills and elims and had to give up doing the flavor (which was delicious)

[Pavowski]

i very doubt in our ability to snipe 5 townies in 7 people, 2 of whose is mafia

We have 9 players, not 7. Townslip? Hmm.

[Pavowski]

Seems like a mistake town would make if taking a pessimistic view. Not 100% sure it's a townslip tho and not just a derp slip, hence the hmm

[Pavowski]

Yeeaaaahhhh, I'm gonna take the leap. HEAL: Cyrus

That should make my 5, for the moment:
Cyrus
Hakai
STD
Yessirree
and myself

And my "not convinced they're town pile" as
Enchant
Farren
Nathann
Kyouko

I think I feel ... okay about that.

[Pavowski]

That should make my 5, for the moment:
Cyrus
Hakai
STD
Yessirree
and myself

talk to me about yessiree and hakai

Sure thing, man.

Vibes on yessirree, but that's my weakest of the 5 I think.

Hakai is townreading Cyrus way harder than I think he's earned, which is either very genuine or big scum equity. I don't think there's actually scum equity there, though, so...

[Pavowski]

Cyrus your coalition needs more STD if I'm gonna keep you in mine.

Pedit:dammit mod I wanted that pagetop

>:)c

[Pavowski]

I'm gonna add this too just because I was curious and it might be instructive

# of players naming each player to the coalition (including self votes)

Pav-6
STD-5
Cyrus-5
Farren-4
Hakai-3
Enchant-2
Yessirree-2
Nathann-2
Kyouko-2

I hope I haven't miscounted. If I did, I blame the Sandman. Gonna sleep on this info.

[Pavowski]

How the hell did I miscount Cyrus so badly. Ugh. My bad. Need sleep

[Pavowski]

Didnt realize we were also voting, thought coalition came first VOTE: Nathann

Coalition does come first, votes are just a signifier until the coalition is formed.

Theoretically we could all vote to lim somebody but it wouldn't go through until we have formed (or failed, I guess) the coalition.

[Pavowski]

I'm gonna add this too just because I was curious and it might be instructive

# of players naming each player to the coalition (including self votes)

Would it be helpful to start including this in a spoiler or something? It wouldn't be any trouble. Or would that be too confusing?

I thought it might be useful to see at a glance how much each player is being townread. That info is there in your counts, but it didn't quite leap out. But I don't know, the count posts already have a ton of info.

Then again my sleep-deprived self did a bad count because I'm bad so it might be better coming from on high

I think on balance I'd like this.

[Pavowski]

Maybe the only two not healing me are scum lol Naaa couldn't be that easy. Could it?

Given you are one of the two, this would be, uh...

Well, it would be something.

I'm actually not sure how I would feel if somebody had a unanimous nod to the coalition.

[Pavowski]

i very doubt in our ability to snipe 5 townies in 7 people, 2 of whose is mafia

We have 9 players, not 7. Townslip? Hmm.

His perspective is that he and Cyrus are both town and that selecting 5 town out of the other 7 players is going to be hard to do. That's the context of that post.

Now I get it

Yeah, that's not a townslip at all. If anything it's just a derp slip on me, oof

[Pavowski]

Enchant's plan is a mess and I hate it. I mean, why wouldn't we try to win it day 1?

And can we move on from alt discussion please. Hakai is an alt, whatever. Let's respect that and move on.

[Pavowski]

I think we just need to have one more on hanki to form the 5.

It's not that simple. 5 people have to have the same list of 5 names.

We have a lot of overlap, but we are not at the "one more vote needs to move" phase.

And we have plenty of time.

[Pavowski]

I'm aiming for the win on day one

PFDPFPSDFPDPSF
AHAHAHHAHA

Sorry not wasting my mental sanity on you. Just take HEAL: cyrus62.

Spoiler:

It's not because of exact this statement but i veryvery doubt it comes from mafia with these actions and statements.

surely you have other townreads besides cyrus and yourself by now

ok

VOTE: enchant

I forgot about these posts, this sequence gave me a bad vibe about yessiree. I can't quite place it, feels a bit... forced? Like either he's attacking the loltownie for doing funny things and trying to keep busy, or he's attempting some clunky distancing. Either way, feels off for some reason.

The longer we go without hearing from Yessirree, the less good I feel about having him in my 5.

Nathann I hope you're feeling better. Convince me Farren is town?

[Pavowski]

Earlier he made a post that seemed like it was meant to deliberately call attention to the fact he was hurting himself in an attempt to gain townreads.

And you still haven't replied to me about how the fact that cyrus asked me to hurt myself played the part, and how it differs from Pavowski doing the exact same thing a few posts earlier.

This is part of what I like about Nathann, for the record. Continuing to follow through. That tells me the questions have meaning, and that he's interested in hearing the answers.

Agree, I am liking nathann more today

[Pavowski]

Also, just on the win today / win later argument, my understanding is that after D1 if our coalition fails (contains scum) the game basically becomes mountainous... Town just knows there was >0 scum in the coalition.

So it's not like we can just eliminate the coalition and win if 2 scum were inside. Scum can still night kill and may well kill outside the coalition in that case.

Maybe math disproves me on that but I'm phone posting from work and just wanted to get this out there.

[Pavowski]

I don't think it was already said. Putting it out there because it's factoring into my decisionmaking now. I think it would be useful for others to consider as well. Put players that might be harder to read outside the coalition to force scum into NKing them if they are town. makes scum reduce their own chances in ELO.

I usually don't speculate too much about what scum will do, but isn't this kinda what we're doing anyway? The less certain I am about a player, the less likely I am to have them in my top 5.

[Pavowski]

I just noticed Kyouko has yessiree in her Coalition, so. @Kyouko, but also @anyone who Townreads yessiree: why?

It was a weak vibey townread early on but it's kinda losing it's shine for me

[Pavowski]

Well, it happened. Everybody except Enchant (who has withdrawn from the proceedings) is now giving Cyrus and I the nod. I guess I have to figure out how I feel about that.

Frankly as much as I don't love the play I am hard-pressed to see how scum does what enchant is doing. Which would mean both scum are going for me and Cyrus. Does it make me want to put enchant in my 5? Damn.

[Pavowski]

This just seems so bad.

What's bad

[Pavowski]

C: CDHNP
D: CDNP?
E: ?????
F: CFPKN
H: CDEHP
K: CFKPY
N: CDFNP
P: CDHPY
Y: CDFPY

D: Save The Dragons; K: ssbm_Kyouko; everyone else - first letter of their name.
So this is where we are now, sorted alphabetically, as of redtea's last tally.
No two people have the same Coalition, so we're nowhere near locking one in.

I appreciate your efforts but somehow this is harder to read than the official VC lol

The alpha sort is nice, though.

[Pavowski]

I think this setup is just kinda doomed to messy counts, though. Life is pain

[Pavowski]

I think enchant may have been right. Wining day one was a fools gambit.

Please stop with this crap. There is lots of time left.

[Pavowski]

I think enchant may have been right. Wining day one was a fools gambit.

Please stop with this crap. There is lots of time left.

since you asked nicely help me iron out my five then. Me pav , save by the bell, nathann and hakin . Who do I keep who do I throw out . Do I keep the two jokers and toss out the rest or toss out the jokers?

Not sure who you're considering jokers in this instance but I'm fairly convinced on STD and I know I'm good. Why are you assuming you need to cut people from your list? Maybe you need to convince 4 of us that your list is good.

I'm willing to be sold on town!nathann. Want to make the case?

[Pavowski]

Pavowski, could you make a town case on Save The Dragons?

It's not the thickest case, and I admit I have some difficulty reading STD, but tonally I'm finding him relaxed and involved in a way that I don't really expect from scum!std.

He's also had a few genuine-feeling reactions to blips in the thread, esp regarding his reads on me, that I don't think scum would have.

[Pavowski]

@nathann maybe you can case your self so I don't have to I may make you look scummy..

Not much more I want to say other than "read my ISO, it's Town". Any arguments I make will ultimately be biased. And it's early enough in the game that I feel like I'm not quite out of Scumrange yet. I can (probably) make one later if absolutely needed, but I'd prefer not to right now.

"Not gonna towncase myself, I'm obviously town" is not the un-scummiest take. But I can also see some frustration here on Nathann's part that could come from town!nathann being unable to break through and get some cred. Anybody have experience with Nathann to help put this in perspective?

[Pavowski]

@nathann maybe you can case your self so I don't have to I may make you look scummy..

Not much more I want to say other than "read my ISO, it's Town". Any arguments I make will ultimately be biased. And it's early enough in the game that I feel like I'm not quite out of Scumrange yet. I can (probably) make one later if absolutely needed, but I'd prefer not to right now.

"Not gonna towncase myself, I'm obviously town" is not the un-scummiest take. But I can also see some frustration here on Nathann's part that could come from town!nathann being unable to break through and get some cred. Anybody have experience with Nathann to help put this in perspective?

Also upon further reflection (I've been for my morning run) wouldn't scum!nathann be absolutely willing to towncase himself to try to get into the coalition?

Town can't lose D1 but scum can...

I guess unless his partner is already looking good for the coalition

Meh, I need to think about some of the other slots

[Pavowski]

It's weird, tonally and based on this wifom mess I'm getting into with you, I want to townread you, but something keeps nagging at me like I shouldn't.

Meanwhile, this happened

HURT: yessirree

Will want to hear from the replacement obviously but stock in this slot was already falling

[Pavowski]

If Pavowski and Cyrus can agree on a 5 that does not include Nathann I'll sheep it

I've been noodling on this all day, and I just don't think scum goes so hard against a single slot, especially one that's, if not being scum read, has had a hard time getting traction in the coalition.

I'm not saying Kyo is right, I just don't see why scum would tunnel like that here.

[Pavowski]

plus i just say random things.

[Pavowski]

pav if you want ssbm in your five but like i said if she gets in the 5 and we fail im death tunneling her.

I don't really, but I do need to replace yessirree with somebody.

[Pavowski]

Not prepared to make that case.

[Pavowski]

call me sketchy but save the dragon fooled me hard in our game pav. you know whe he beat us. is he kinda acting the same?

Kinda, but he also sounds very like the way he sounded in a game I just finished with him. He was town. See my earlier post, he's got some interactions with me in this thread that don't feel faked.

[Pavowski]

What if there is two scum in my five?

This to me is a silly thing to worry about.

Basically everybody should be doing 3 things imo:

1 name to the coalition the players they find most likely to flip green
2 coordinate their coalition list with those of other players to try to lurch toward an agreement
3 be keeping tabs on who may be scum in case the coalition fails

[Pavowski]

It's not the thickest case, and I admit I have some difficulty reading STD, but tonally I'm finding him relaxed and involved in a way that I don't really expect from scum!std.

He's also had a few genuine-feeling reactions to blips in the thread, esp regarding his reads on me, that I don't think scum would have.

How's his usual confidence level compared to normal D1? I see a lot of "i think", "i guess" - that sort of thing. For some players, that's a sign of Town - for others, scum.

Hard to say, I replaced in to my last game with him. Again, more of my TR on STD is coming from a few genuine-feeling interactions in this thread, rather than his tone (which feels pretty consistent across games, if a little more relaxed here).

Also I am getting whiffs of scummy "better make sure I post something" vibes from this. I compare farren earlier in the thread with farren here. This is the only substantive post in 24 hours, and calling it substantive is a stretch.

Do not like.

[Pavowski]

HEAL: Nathann

Look, Cyrus, we match.

[Pavowski]

We're actually starting to look close-ish, here. STD how do you feel about hakai?

[Pavowski]

Fair.

[Pavowski]

Also feel fairly sure about Cyrus.

Welcome Math.

[Pavowski]

Yoink.

[Pavowski]

Here’s a thought I had about the setup while my build loads:

Aim for a coalition of 5 town.
But we should also vote for the last Townie of the 5 in that coalition for elimination.

Reason being is that if it’s all 5 town we win so we don’t care if we elim a townie
But if we don’t win then we narrow the scum to 1 in 4 or 2 in 4 at day start.

This forces scum to shoot in the PoE outside the towniest we already declared or have a 1 in 3 or 2 in 3 shot of elimming scum.

Agree or disagree and thoughts?

I tentatively endorse this plan.

[Pavowski]

Agree that we aim for a coalition of five Town.
Agree that we eliminate inside the Coalition if it fails.

Not sure if you were advocating for setting up a hammer before the Coalition passes (so that it processes instantly in the event of a Coalition failure); if you were, I'd disagree with that. We still want a chance to get reactions from people both inside and outside the Coalition if it fails, and I don't see the gain in passing this up.

Did I misread the setup in that we have a coalition and then elim happens the same time of the coalition?

I am not advocating for an immediate hammer should it happen. Ideally if it fails we get communication time.

I personally do not care if I am on or off the coalition. While the instant win is nice I find it’s kinda scummy to demand to be on the coalition due to scum needing at least one person on it.

I think we *could* pre-hammer somebody but I agree that I don't love that idea.

It may not change anything, but discussion between a failure and a hammer would be nice.

[Pavowski]

My point of this is it’s more important that a coalition resolves than it being the coalition you exactly want.

Not being given a split at all is worse than having it fail because then it’s a 7v2 mountainous and that’s brutal.

100% concur with this but we are in no danger of not forming a coalition at this point. Lots of time, yet

[Pavowski]

Did I misread the setup in that we have a coalition and then elim happens the same time of the coalition?

I am not advocating for an immediate hammer should it happen. Ideally if it fails we get communication time.

Elimination happens on D1 as soon as there's a hammer, unless the Coalition hasn't formed yet. (pretty sure that's right - regardless, we don't want to be casting any hammer votes pre-Coalition if it's wrong either.)

And I'm positive that we will have discussion time as long as we don't hammer anyone - and have time left on the clock. The clock doesn't reset on a Coalition failure, so we won't want to wait to the last minute to approve a Coalition.

PEdit> and yes, under no circumstances do we want to *not* make a Coalition. Better to have one fail than skip it entirely.

Cool then sounds like an I derped on rules reading thing.

Now on the last VC it’s kinda hard to read but it looks like no one has been added to the coalition yet right?

I am expressing intent to vote for every person who has the highest amount of votes to be in the coalition after work.

Based on what has happened so far I am thinking this might shake up stuff and then we can see who doesn’t want that group to go and why.

There's no such thing as "adding someone to the coalition". The coalition is formed when 5 people vote for the same coalition of 5.

[Pavowski]

My point of this is it’s more important that a coalition resolves than it being the coalition you exactly want.

Not being given a split at all is worse than having it fail because then it’s a 7v2 mountainous and that’s brutal.

100% concur with this but we are in no danger of not forming a coalition at this point. Lots of time, yet

We do but then only a few days for elim.

I’d rather win or fail as fast as possible then more time if we are wrong for an elim.

Gotcha, yeah that's not a bad idea. Doesn't necessarily have to happen today but hopefully by early next week

[Pavowski]

Ugh that’s…confusing lol.

I volunteer to be out of the coalition then unless someone wants me in it. Apparently if Cyrus is town my slot done goofed somehow so I don’t mind being outside of it. Then we have it down to 8 unless someone actively wants me in it.

(This is town btw unless we already done goofed and have scum in there)

[Pavowski]

Ugh that’s…confusing lol.

I volunteer to be out of the coalition then unless someone wants me in it. Apparently if Cyrus is town my slot done goofed somehow so I don’t mind being outside of it. Then we have it down to 8 unless someone actively wants me in it.

(This is town btw unless we already done goofed and have scum in there)

I thought you said we didn’t have a coalition ergo no one is in anything?

I'm just saying, informally, among the people who seem likely to be in it at this moment

[Pavowski]

Okay noted so?

Do you think that matters?

Not really. I am going to verify what was said was true then vote.

My votes will move accordingly based on who is the most popular for the coalition.

Whether my predecessor agreed or disagreed with that approach is irrelevant.

I am not looking to insta win I am looking for the scenario most advantageous long term for us.

I find it very unlikely public agreement will happen between 5 people who are town and believe they are town.

I fully expect the coalition to fail but if it wins happy times.

It's for this reason I don't want us to go from 5 separate vote-sets to 5 identical ones in rapid succession. We should take our time.

That said, Cyrus and I have an identical set right now, and a couple others have several people in common.

[Pavowski]

Okay noted so?

Do you think that matters?

Not really. I am going to verify what was said was true then vote.

My votes will move accordingly based on who is the most popular for the coalition.

Whether my predecessor agreed or disagreed with that approach is irrelevant.

I am not looking to insta win I am looking for the scenario most advantageous long term for us.

I find it very unlikely public agreement will happen between 5 people who are town and believe they are town.

I fully expect the coalition to fail but if it wins happy times.

It's for this reason I don't want us to go from 5 separate vote-sets to 5 identical ones in rapid succession. We should take our time.

That said, Cyrus and I have an identical set right now, and a couple others have several people in common.

Nah I don’t think we should.

I think instantly winning is a pipe dream and the more time we have for an elim the better.

Way I figure it, we get it close to a coalition and leave it for 24, 48 hours, see who gets squirmy

No sense not trying for the d1 win.

[Pavowski]

Scum could try to quickhammer in that case, that'd be fun

[Pavowski]

I am kinda thinking Cyrus might be scum here.

I don’t see a reason for objection here unless I am missing something?

Do you mean for the thread at large or for this latest development?

[Pavowski]

It's kinda what I thought might happen if we did what I said in 513

Only way ahead of schedule

[Pavowski]

It's kinda what I thought might happen if we did what I said in 513

Only way ahead of schedule

Then again it *is* Cyrus

[Pavowski]

Great minds think alike?

Careful, there, cowboy, or I'll start townreading your slot again

[Pavowski]

It's kinda what I thought might happen if we did what I said in 513

Only way ahead of schedule

Then again it *is* Cyrus

I have no idea of the context of his play?

What does this mean?

Cyrus is just pure chaos in my experience, he can make weird plays in weird spots

[Pavowski]

How do you feel about Hakai still? Going through your ISO, I see one early "liking where he's going" read, and not much updated stuff. If you're still (at least somewhat) certain in him being Town, mind trying to convince me?

I'm planning to revisit some reads today, and Hakai is top of my list for that. I liked his early energy but he feels a little bit lurky now, which I don't love.

[Pavowski]

In post 43, yessiree wrote:
Hey guys, I only know a few people here

Errr I meant ahoy mateys I've only seen some of yous 'round'ere
This post is very slightly towny, scum probably won't be awkward in-thread

This townread is weak as hell from Hakai, actually.

[Pavowski]

Er the formatting broke on that one but you get the idea.

[Pavowski]

If I drop Hakai, who takes the slot? Math sounds towny but if that post I pointed out is scum equity for Hakai, it's not good for Math either.

[Pavowski]

I also gave Hakai credit for TRing Cyrus but maybe I gave him too much. His Cyrus reads could be tmi.

[Pavowski]

Math I know you're still catching up but when you can, I want to hear your thoughts on nathann and Hakai.

[Pavowski]

Vote Count 1.08

Enchant (2):

MathBlade, cyrus62

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Save The Dragons

Nathann (1):

ssbm_Kyouko

Enchant (1):

Hakai

Not Voting (4):

Enchant, Nathann, Pavowski, Farren

Coalition Count 1.08

Save The Dragons (5):

Save The Dragons, cyrus62, Pavowski, Nathann, Farren

Nathann (5):

cyrus62, Pavowski, Save The Dragons, Farren, Nathann

Hakai (4):

cyrus62, Pavowski, Hakai, Save The Dragons

Pavowski (5):

Save The Dragons, Hakai, Pavowski, cyrus62, Nathann

cyrus62 (4):

Nathann, Hakai, Save The Dragons, cyrus62

Enchant (2):

cyrus62, Pavowski

ssbm_Kyouko (5):

ssbm_Kyouko, Farren, cyrus62, Pavowski, MathBlade

Farren (5):

cyrus62, ssbm_Kyouko, Pavowski, Save The Dragons, Hakai

MathBlade (5):

MathBlade, Save The Dragons, Pavowski, cyrus62, Farren

Spoiler: # of Coalition Votes for Each Player

cyrus62 - (9)

Pavowski - (8)

Save The Dragons - (7)

Nathann - (4)

Farren - (4)

Hakai - (4)

MathBlade - (2)

ssbm_Kyouko - (2)

Enchant - (0)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: (expired on 2021-10-09 19:48:54)
Reminder that the countdown has resumed for those who might've missed it.

HURT: All prior coalition votes
HEAL: Pav
HEAL: StD
HEAL: cyrus (even though I think he is scum)
HEAL: Farren
HEAL: Nathann

Oh interesting on Cyrus.

[Pavowski]

The link there is v tentative, I'm just exploring scum!Hakai

[Pavowski]

We've moving through Cyrus-acting-weird-is-towny and into Cyrus-acting-weird-looks-like-pressured-scum territory for me

[Pavowski]

Funny thing is he's not even under that much pressure and he's buggin. What up with that.

[Pavowski]

Is it too easy to say there's 1 scum between Math and Cyrus? I could easily see a world where:

1 - scum!Cyrus sees Math coming in giving new reads, shaking up his clean coalition nod and getting squirrely

or

2 - scum!Math sees the clean coalition nod on Cyrus and wants to shade it

[Pavowski]

COALITION COUNT 1.10
Save The Dragons (5): Save The Dragons, cyrus62, Pavowski, Nathann, Farren
Nathann (5): cyrus62, Pavowski, Save The Dragons, Farren, Nathann

MathBlade (5): MathBlade, Pavowski, Enchant, ssbm_Kyouko, Farren
cyrus62 (5): MathBlade, ssbm_Kyouko, Pavowski, Enchant, Farren
Farren (5): Farren, Pavowski, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade, En chant

I was gonna try to find something useful to add to the Cyrus/Math drama but I'd rather just steer away from it, it's getting personal and that's not productive.

I can't even say much that's useful on these coalitions. Kyo and Farren already made me nervous and I'm feeling like Cyrus and MB are svt somewhere so I am skeptical of both of these.

Then again I'm not super sure of my coalition including Hakai either, anymore.

Well, if the Yessir/Math slot is scum, credit to Math for throwing all this into upheaval.

[Pavowski]

Enchant and Math both play strong scumgames but I have little reason to scumread either of them.

What

Just what

I actually agree that there's little reason to scumread particularly you, Enchant

I just wish there was a good reason to townread you, too

[Pavowski]

2. Hakai's recent aversion to having specifically me in the Coalition makes no sense.

I am also a little puzzled at this.

[Pavowski]

The coalition with 3 votes at the last VC has picked up a 4th. Anybody intending to become the 5th person to offer this coalition should declare intent to hammer it.

Personally I won't hammer that one unless we somehow find ourselves about to fail to form a coalition, as any coalition is better than none. But there are 3 players in there that I have serious doubts about.

[Pavowski]

Site is loading super slow for me so gonna call it a night. Can someone who townreads Cyrus tell me why please?

A lot of people ignored this. Can you please respond to this? Thanks!

Cyrus's posting and play just feel town-aligned to me. I can't say I find it super-towny or effective, but it seems to come from genuine intent.

That take has taken a hit after his back-and-forth with you, though, and I don't love his willingness to toss out most of what he seemed locked in on earlier in the thread, but I remind myself that Cyrus's motivations are beyond the understanding of us mere mortals. His hesitation to lock anybody in particular into the coalition also feels town to me.

[Pavowski]

Re Math and my Townread on cyrus, it was mostly that the guy felt really uninformed. Whatever he was posting felt like it was just what he was thinking and it felt pretty agendaless. I might take some time to go through his ISO tonight and iron out my read on him if you really want, but I am kind of lazy, and if this Coalition you proposed is actually about to pass, I don't feel like doing that extra work if it's not gonna be useful for me. (I'm assuming it will pass since I'm assuming either Enchant or Kyouko will end up voting for it. Oh no, I said the words "I'm assuming" twice in the same post, in the same sentence even.)

I agree with your thought on Cyrus.

I'm not sure how likely this coalition is to pass.

[Pavowski]

Suddenly townier on Farren.

[Pavowski]

This is totally not an evil plot to get you to do the reevaluation of cyrus yourself that I can then sheep because I am lazy.

Not sure I need to re-evaluate Cyrus. I still think he's town, I just don't love his play and the fact that he's getting tilted here by Math.

You and STD have the same coalition, huh? Hmm...

[Pavowski]

Actually yeah, I'll roll with that one for the moment.

HURT: Hakai

HEAL: Farren

[Pavowski]

Unless I'm much mistook then, that puts the coalition of:

Save The Dragons, cyrus62, Pavowski, Nathann, Farren

At 3 votes.

[Pavowski]

MathBlade, Pavowski, Enchant, ssbm_Kyouko, Farren

This Coalition gonna win? Bah.
Can't we replace Math with Cyrus?

No I want out unless you lot scum read mb.

Really puzzled by this. He's saying replace Math with you. Are you insisting that in addition to pulling Math from that coalition, they also think of Math as scum?

Like seriously, what are you doing, here?

[Pavowski]

Aaaaaand I'm at my limit.

[Pavowski]

Site is loading super slow for me so gonna call it a night. Can someone who townreads Cyrus tell me why please?

A lot of people ignored this. Can you please respond to this? Thanks!

i've already said this in multiple ways but i just don't see scum!cyrus posting whatever's on his mind as he has been in this game. if he can do that as scum, more power to him but if I were someone like cyrus who posts whatever the fuck's on my mind i would be a lot more careful as scum than I would as town for fear of posting something incriminating.

Soon I will have proof of me being town soon.

I am not gonna ask

Nope, I'm not gonna do it

This is me not doing it

LOOK AT ME NOT ASKING

[Pavowski]

I'm not necessarily against an extension, but I am not sure we need one. Math do you think we're gonna run out of time here?

[Pavowski]

HURT: All

Don't think we're going to get any more out of that.

I feel better.

[Pavowski]

I had a damn feeling when Hakai went for that other coalition, but I didn't think Enchant was the partner. Damn!

GG guys. Kinda sad it's over so fast!

[Pavowski]

Oh and thanks mods!

[Pavowski]

When you want to offer proof that your top Scumread is Scum, but you actually hammer a winning Coalition.

Nice work, Town. Thank you for the game, mod, the flavour was super fun!

Lmao gotten

(My read on you had softened a while back, was mostly sticking to it to gauge reactions from others)

I kinda got a bad feeling about the other coalition that was tied 3-3 when I saw Hakai vote it. I didnt like the way he locked that in.

Hakai, are you ChaosOmega? Feel free to ignore this if you dont want to confirm or deny

Glad your hammer was a good one Kyo, I was coming for you if that coalition failed lol