Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Mandelbrot]

Sigh

Whatever I dont feel like arguing with mastina when mastina is just yelling about romance and elsa jay and ignoring my questions.
Plus i think RealCheeks giving out a final reads list was probably a bit +Town points.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Sorry House.

Do what you gotta do.

I'm just gonna sit over here preparing to laugh when the balloon pops.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

One of my current townreads will plummet if Elsa flips red, though.

- House

[RealCheeks]

BoP on mastina if Elsa flips town.
~C

[RealCheeks]

One of my current townreads will plummet if Elsa flips red, though.

- House

I'm guessing Titus
~C

[Mandelbrot]

BoP on mastina if Elsa flips town.
~C

Wat.

You scumread him, too...

- House

[Mandelbrot]

One of my current townreads will plummet if Elsa flips red, though.

- House

I'm guessing Titus
~C

Not even close.

- House

[RealCheeks]

{Titus, Toogeloo, mastina, Sakura Hana, Save The Dragons, tictac, Mandelbrot, Romance, dwlee99}
{Tomorrow Corporation, Qrow and Raven, ArcAngel9}
{Elsa Jay, Whemestar, Mystic Bears, Bell}

Most unsure about Elsa who can swap out for someone in above tier.
~C

Of your scumreads, Wheme is the only one I'd currently consider.

AA9 being above bottom tier is meh. StD being hard town requires some sort of case.

- House

- House

StD refusing to get off raid and then asking for protection is quite obviously town.
AA9 is literally a lurkbutt as either alignment.
~C
~C

[Mandelbrot]

{Titus, Toogeloo, mastina, Sakura Hana, Save The Dragons, tictac, Mandelbrot, Romance, dwlee99}
{Tomorrow Corporation, Qrow and Raven, ArcAngel9}
{Elsa Jay, Whemestar, Mystic Bears, Bell}

Most unsure about Elsa who can swap out for someone in above tier.
~C

Of your scumreads, Wheme is the only one I'd currently consider.

AA9 being above bottom tier is meh. StD being hard town requires some sort of case.

- House

- House

StD refusing to get off raid and then asking for protection is quite obviously town.
AA9 is literally a lurkbutt as either alignment.
~C
~C

Nup.

- House

[RealCheeks]

One of my current townreads will plummet if Elsa flips red, though.

- House

I'm guessing Titus
~C

Not even close.

- House

Dammit.
~C

[Sakura Hana]

You know... i completely forgot AA9 was in this game.

[Elsa Jay]

Mastina quote walled enough to drain Sakura's will. Sad times.

But frankly this seems more so Mastina can save her ego then anything. I know I'm town so if it means anything, I'm a cute weird pointed ear girl named Momodi

[RealCheeks]

{Titus, Toogeloo, mastina, Sakura Hana, Save The Dragons, tictac, Mandelbrot, Romance, dwlee99}
{Tomorrow Corporation, Qrow and Raven, ArcAngel9}
{Elsa Jay, Whemestar, Mystic Bears, Bell}

Most unsure about Elsa who can swap out for someone in above tier.
~C

Of your scumreads, Wheme is the only one I'd currently consider.

AA9 being above bottom tier is meh. StD being hard town requires some sort of case.

- House

- House

StD refusing to get off raid and then asking for protection is quite obviously town.
AA9 is literally a lurkbutt as either alignment.
~C
~C

Nup.

- House

Yup. That's one I told you so token for me post game.
~C

[mastina]

Man remember that one game where town fake claimed masons with scum and then proceeded to get janitored?
Imagine if someone claims mech clear with 2 players and then gets Janitored.

Fortunately my role bypasses the janitor so this concern of yours can be addressed by literally waiting one day phase!

By revealing the janitored role, we'll have the answers we're after.

And since scum can't stop me from doing this...

T3 was probably informed a certain flavor was town but thought it was a player

OR, T3 was informed that two slots would become conftown if a certain flavor-role did a certain action and thought it was a player. (Or something along these lines.)

So why is TC town again?

Was tracked as visiting nobody when we know scum have both a roleblocker (would have visited Romance) and a Janitor (would have visited H1H2), and the janitored player of H1H2 insisted that TC could be conftown, and was janitored after having made this claim.

And given that my role can bypass the janitor, we can have a much better idea on this iffy-conftown status.

That, aside from how Romance's characterization of Tomorrow Corporation's play being town is spot-on.

[Mandelbrot]

I'm a cute weird pointed ear girl named Momodi

This flavor claim does not inspire me with confidence, but I'll defer to Toog on that because it's been years since I played.

- House

[mastina]

I am less interested in Elsa Jay today, and more interested in finding potential scum already in the raid.
The last thing we want is another fail, specially on a raid effect that sounds so town sided.

Fortunately, as long as I submit it before day's end (I've not submitted it yet because I wanted to see a votecount to see the raid comp since if the raid comp was all town that'd be a waste and if it was assumed-all-town but then it failed that info would be more valuable to me than the success, but obviously if the raid comp isn't all town then fuck yes I'm going to use the second success), I can make the raid be guaranteed to succeed.

After I've seen the composition of the raid I'll make a judgement call there. (We've not had a votecount in a while which means I've not seen the raid comp in a while.)

Actually
VOTE: STD

As one of the bigger proponents of STD being scum yesterday I'm not exactly in favor of this anymore.

Cheeks is a fairly acceptable vote. It’s between Cheeks/Elsa for me today.

I'd compromise on RealCheeks just by virtue of how pro-scum they've been this dayphase but I really want the worst offender and actual basically guaranteed scum in the form of Elsa, first/most.

[Bell]

You know... i completely forgot AA9 was in this game.

[Bell]

Glad to see Mastina reengaging.
Not clear what Cheeks is doing that is anti-town rn?

[Mandelbrot]

I'd want Toogs to weigh in on the Elsa flavor claim before even thinking of voting there.

My primary concern is that Momodi is not particularly aligned with anyone. A neutral actor. Feels to me like a possible mod-provided fakeclaim.

I want their take.

- House

[mastina]

Adding to her claim diminishes her read for me

I've added nothing to my claim.

I HAVE a 1X ABILITY TO GUARANTEE A RAID SUCCEEDS

I have this as an ability but I did not say that was my only ability.

I will say that's not my only power, but obviously I see no reason to fullclaim right out of the gate D1.

Here I explicitly said that my raid-success was not my only power, that I had more than that in my role.

(In my defense I thought my role was probably one of the weakest in the game. I, uhhh...mayyy have misjudged my role's strength since it seems I

might

be one of the strongest roles in the game...... )

Here I said that my power was one I thought was weak but realized later was actually ridiculously strong.

Being able to completely bypass a scum janitor with my role, with them unable to roleblock me or stop this from happening by nightkilling me, certainly counts as something that seems weak initially but is actually ridiculously strong, no?

I kinda don't believe you're telling the whole story about your role Mastina but if it does work that way then absolutely use it.

Oh meant to include this. I'm telling the full truth; I have a one-shot ability that guarantees a raid succeeds. I've not paraphrased the ability's nature and

I have at least one additional power outside of my 1x-raid-succeed

, but I am not leaving anything out like conditions or whatnot. It's one-shot, it makes the raid succeed, I confirmed with the mod that the raid bonus means making this raid succeed gives me a second use of the ability, I could give the exact wording (well, close as can be without getting modkilled obv) but I don't feel the need to, because the important thing was to claim the mechanic since it felt like a role I had no reason to not reveal and use.

Here I reiterated that.

My claim is exactly the same as it always has been.
I have a, initially one-shot, ability to guarantee a raid succeeds as long as I am a member of the raid. Thanks to the nature of the D1 raid, I got a second shot of that.
I have at least one other ability--I have revealed that this ability allows me to bypass the janitor, and that scum cannot roleblock me and that nightkilling me will not stop the bypass of the janitor.

I have since stated that my fullclaim would elevate me to conftown status (because my role

cannot

be a scum role), but that is precisely why I am not revealing the details of my role.

But my claim has never had things added to it. It has had additional details revealed, but those details were always there.

[mastina]

Right? It's like she's angling to have almost as much sway over the events of the game as the moderator.

Well, from a

certain

point of view...I do.

But obviously I've no reason to explain that.
(It's a technicality, more trivia than anything else.)

[Bell]

Are you obiwan kenobi Mastina?

[Bell]

Don't actually answer that, it was a joke.

Is anyone going to answer me on the "TC was obviously joking, but not obviously enough for Sakura or Bell to realize they were joking and TC themselves said tey weren't doing much and were explicitely gambiting and not joking and hoping for time and space from the doctor to get night killed"

Likewise, I still need an answer on the "why would scum even claim doc out of the blue like that?" I guess the argument being made is that they wouldn't and they were obviously joking. But then we end up where we;re at with the gambit admission contradicting that.

[Mandelbrot]

Are you obiwan kenobi Mastina?

She's Yoda.

Duh.

- House

[Bell]

Point being is that while we don't have to kill TC for misgambiting if they're town, or scumming it up if they're scum.

I would prefer the arguments being made in support of them actually reflect TC's own reality rather than your own.

[mastina]

But I do think mastina should weigh in on if the recovery even affects TC as much as she previously thought it would, or if we are just doing it to know H1/H2 at this point.

Fucked if I know--that relies on H1/H2. My role explicitly bypasses the janitor done on H1H2 but I won't know how/if it affects TC until after I've actually bypassed the janitor. I don't magically have info that you don't have about H1H2; I know exactly as much as you do:

They claimed they had potential innocents on TC and tictac;
They were nightkilled;
They were janitored.

We won't have the extra info until the end of N3/start of D4.

if you're town you want me on the raid

I actually buy this.