The Deck of Astral Roles II: Expanded Universe [Game Over]

[Guillotina]

First

[Guillotina]

HARD CLAIM: IM A PGO

[Guillotina]

Also to those that submitted vanillas and goons in DoAR thread:

You suck

[Guillotina]

HARD CLAIM: IM A PGO

I don't believe you.

I think you're a reflexive doctor.

I think if you are scum you should try to find out tonight! Who does not love an adventure?

[Guillotina]

Dont claim but anyone with dead interaction actions target the player that flipped as specter and we gucci.

[Guillotina]

If not, good luck not getting targeted with sleep paralysis.

[Guillotina]

Dont claim but anyone with dead interaction actions target the player that flipped as specter and we gucci.

This player is probably not aligned with the town.
VOTE: Guillotina

By the way i designed that Specter faction and they were not supposed to be flipped at SoD. They were supposed to start off unflipped.

Also Specters could start with two and one of them can in thread talk as their role but their factional vote has to be assigned to this player.

Things to consider

[Guillotina]

Dont claim but anyone with dead interaction actions target the player that flipped as specter and we gucci.

This player is probably not aligned with the town.
VOTE: Guillotina

By the way i designed that Specter faction and they were not supposed to be flipped at SoD. They were supposed to start off unflipped.

Also Specters could start with two and one of them can in thread talk as their role but their factional vote has to be assigned to this player.

Things to consider

No, that's you and your poorly worded Role PM's, because nothing like that is said in the actual Deck of Astral Roles.
Anyways, there's probably NO dead interaction except specter, this is a mash and TL would not pick Specter if there's an instaloss probability Night 1.

No. It makes no fucking sense to put a target in their backs before the game even begins. Their death was supposed to be announced without their flip.

And i dont like your tone “me and my poorly worded role pms” sound like there is spite behind those words and honestly im not in the mood for personal vendettas against me so please, chill it.

[Guillotina]

Oh so the specter is a tracker.

If they started alone, they can track and slep paralysis someone at night.
Why give Spooky the factional vote so early though, unless spooky is the specter with day talk, look up Specter Hades.

Let's push there

VOTE: Spooky

[Guillotina]

Or he could have the Hades role but different alignment, i didnt think of that.

Still, pushing there.

[Guillotina]

Would the hades have a double vote though? The wording sounds like they have to target the hades so theyre able to have a vote

Not what i intended but the mod could have interpreted it that way and it actually is better that way tbf.

UNVOTE: Unvote

[Guillotina]

i strongly doubt the specter just gives the doublevote to their partner

They have to. Or at least that is how i intended it, but everything changes when the soecter actually flips their alignment and role at SoD. So, i must assume this version of the specter is a different vision.

[Guillotina]

Also VT would be boring?? If you signed up for this game are you picking VT? Lol. I'd pick scum over VT. Probably. maybe

I agree, who picks VT in a bastard role madness game like this one right?

[Guillotina]

Galron is fucking dead lol i cant

I'm sorry for shading you Galron, salt in the wound

pedit Yes lol oops

Derp clear denied

[Guillotina]

Wouldn't you need at least 2 vanilla cards to be VT?
Unless I suppose you discard a scum negative utility and had a vanilla

I'd pick the negative utility over vanilla personally

Depends of the negative utility though. Not all negative utilities are fun.

[Guillotina]

I'm kind of blown away there's only four votes on the table. Meg, Titus, A50, Ydrasse, House, Guillotina? Why? Are you not voting?

We basically need to either A.) shift into maximum overdrive or B.) pray scum cannibalizes

Either way, placing down early votes tends to be really really good later (or at least it was for me in a grand idea)

What's the rush?

[Guillotina]

Looking back, I don't like the timing of the two votes on me when I was giving out info about the role I designed, not because I believe they both could be specters, but because they seemed like they didn't like me giving info out.

VOTE: Toogeloo
VOTE: Not Known 15

[Guillotina]

Actually Toogeloo looks like a RT vote so never mind. Vote on Not Known 15 still stands.

[Guillotina]

wait we dont get the roles from the same game?

i thought Tlich just picked whichever game looked most balanced out of A/B/C and that's the one we play?

no because all the games had too much scum

Which is why im rushing cause I get the feeling there's like 10,000 scum as there always is in these games

It's a major uphill battle

Interestingly if youre telling the truth that means TL gave u deahtproof doublevoter instead of VT. Which also makes me think town's power sucks and needed a boost

In the sign ups the mod guaranteed that we'd be the majority.

[Guillotina]

VC 1.5

Almost50 (3) - Ydrasse, House, Wisdom

Not voting: Guillotina, MegAzumarill, Titus, Selynee, Flea The Magician, Almost50, Not Known 15, Toogeloo, bloodhail, lendunistus, PookyTheMagicalBear [2]

With 15 vote power it takes 8 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-10-18 13:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

I voted Not Known 15.

[Guillotina]

VC 1.5

Almost50 (3) - Ydrasse, House, Wisdom

Not voting: Guillotina, MegAzumarill, Titus, Selynee, Flea The Magician, Almost50, Not Known 15, Toogeloo, bloodhail, lendunistus, PookyTheMagicalBear [2]

With 15 vote power it takes 8 to exile.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-10-18 13:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

I voted Not Known 15.

Votes reset with the kill. Again.

Yah i just saw. Noice!

[Guillotina]

Why A50 is top wagon?

[Guillotina]

Why A50 is top wagon?

MT scumread him.

MT is dead.

Ydrasse wants blood.

But MT was double scum.

VOTE: Not Known 15

[Guillotina]

Why A50 is top wagon?

MT scumread him.

MT is dead.

Ydrasse wants blood.

But MT was double scum.

VOTE: Not Known 15

MT was also looking pretty damned town.

Mafia kill?

We talking about the same one that wanted to rush us into voting people?

[Guillotina]

Also the reason i figure pooky had 2 scum cards is that i believe he would have chosen Werewolf if he didnt

Also VT would be boring?? If you signed up for this game are you picking VT? Lol. I'd pick scum over VT. Probably. maybe

I agree, who picks VT in a bastard role madness game like this one right?

Someone who really despises playing scum and doesn't have another choice. But i imagine that's sort of a rare occurance given how the cards work

pedit: WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT POOKY SAID DURING THE PREGAME

These look like shields.

[Guillotina]

here's my thoughts: these games are not balanced, there's like 500,000 scum arranged into a bajillion factions and i think the moderator having to mash the games up is evidence of that

Now find who can't pass up the opportunity to play scum and start from there

If you pit the

multiple groupscums

against each other it's actually quite winnable for town, somehow. Or maybe i got lucky last time

Here she softs knowledge of multiple scum parties.

[Guillotina]

hej

havinfg a fucking

abyssmal

day right now but this is definitely a bright spot, hello lovely people

Ahh this was a signal to the dark creatures then.

[Guillotina]

here's my thoughts: these games are not balanced, there's like 500,000 scum arranged into a bajillion factions and i think the moderator having to mash the games up is evidence of that

Now find who can't pass up the opportunity to play scum and start from there

If you pit the

multiple groupscums

against each other it's actually quite winnable for town, somehow. Or maybe i got lucky last time

Here she softs knowledge of multiple scum parties.

Multiple scum is the default assumption for this kind of game.

That post is a bit reachy.

It is assumed but that post looks like she CERTAINLY knew though.

[Guillotina]

And she did

[Guillotina]

Ok no. MT was pushing pooky hard not shielding them.

So why sus A50 for her death when Pooky on surface had more reasons to her if Pooky was scum?

[Guillotina]

Ok no. MT was pushing pooky hard not shielding them.

So why sus A50 for her death when Pooky on surface had more reasons to her if Pooky was scum?

Had more reasons to off her*

[Guillotina]

Let's do this

VOTE: Pooky

[Guillotina]

@Guillotina MT was townreading Pooky after the claim, why would he kill her

Because of that, that would be the perfect time to kill her when she changed her mind.

[Guillotina]

@Guillotina MT was townreading Pooky after the claim, why would he kill her

Because of that, that would be the perfect time to kill her when she changed her mind.

I would never kill Tweetie she is one of my favorite people

also im obviously not a daykiller since I'm a double voter (unless there's like a daykilling double voting role)

but i wouldnt know about that cuz I havent read shit

Or the specter made you a double voter.

[Guillotina]

bruh i dun even know what a specter is

So? The specter can give it to anyone regardless of alignment.

[Guillotina]

Or the specter made you a double voter.

Then tomorrow the specter gives it to someone else and Pooky is outed

Doesnt really work for Pooky, does it

Good point.

VOTE: Not Known 15

[Guillotina]

Two people died. Both most likely by mafia or third party. Guillotina is most probably an alignment that can't win with the dark creatures.

I can't but what led you to deduce that?

[Guillotina]

I think MT didnt expect to died so fast, so the question is.. Would MT be trying to signal and distance from the players she could win with?

[Guillotina]

Ive been trying to look forTMI clues from her. TMI of players she knew she could win with.

[Guillotina]

Specter doesn't win alone though right? Their win doesn't end the game they are just annoying with roleblocks?

But like should we worry about that?

If they win and leave and we go on without them isn't that universally beneficial?

They way i designed them, Specters win solo. They have to guess who would most likely get killed to inflict them with sleep paralysis and recruit them post mortem and they have to do that three times, the difficulty of that wincon merits them winning the game and ending it. But who knows how the mod interpreted it for this game.

@A50 @Wisdom do you two have some sort of rivalry from past games?

Meg, let's talk about reads. Who do you town read and who do you scum read?


I think both A50 and Wisdom are town, Pooky as well for the way MT hard pushed him although they being a double voter has me a little bit paranoid cause of the Specter Hades role but whatever. House i townread because they reacted the same i did to Not Known push on me, although they could have been trying to white knight me if house was scum but im not ready to go there today.

I think Not Known 15 weaksauce push on me is scummy and i havent seen them since then.

Lendunistus is in their scum meta, they dont like randing wolf and they tend to ghost most of the game when they are scum, far more than when they slank as town.

And you Meg most of your ISO is mech stuff and that's nagl.

I dont like the two top wagons atm. I think my wagon is better.

[Guillotina]

I still cant figure who would kill Galron so quickly
Is there any role or modifier that makes the target of an action random?

The only way a player is killed so quickly is a kill from scum who is afraid of the target's god read on them.

[Guillotina]

Lendunistus is in their scum meta, they dont like randing wolf and they tend to ghost most of the game when they are scum, far more than when they slank as town.

Doesnt that suggest theyd pick town

Yah unless they didnt get town cards. (I haven checked his discard).

[Guillotina]

I wouldn't mind voting NK15, but I don't have a strong read there. Looking at his discard I probably wouldn't have used that role either, and given it cane from Game C he had 3 other cards to pick from, so it's not unfeasible he received another Town card (that he used for Alignment) and picked the Role from any of the other 2.

What I do find scummy is his push on Pooky and arguing further when it was pointed out Pooky knew his discard will sshow in public. I also dislike his jump on Guillotina, then his shade of Toog.

But NK15 isn't exactly a noob either, so acting this scummy isn't due to his lack of experience, and that's what makes me hesitant to vote him. (Like. I am not familiar with the deck and there are way too many posts for me to go through in that thread, but it could be that there's a role that is "unyeetbale" and thus drawing the yeet unto themselves is pro-their-wincon. There could be a Jester 9and I don't mind yeeting that if that's the case). There could be some weird role that affects the game negatively if yeeted (like.. skip the next day and go straight to night..)

Anyway...

UNVOTE:

So you saying NK15 is TWTBW?

[Guillotina]

@Wisdom

What are your reads looking like as of now?

[Guillotina]

Half of it is RVS (this game hasn't really gone anywhere yet)
Half is they discarded a role I submitted (i mean who wouldn't want to be a monk )

I was asked my reads and I think wisdom is town. I don't have scumreads yet.

There are two flips, one of them knew who the members of two scum parties were and the game has not gone anywhere?

No scum reads, no suspects, no nothing?

VOTE: Meg

[Guillotina]

I mean pooky's claim kind of sorts itself out so i doubt pooky is scum but we will figure out soon enough.

Tell me something i already didnt know Meg

[Guillotina]

I wouldn't mind voting NK15, but I don't have a strong read there. Looking at his discard I probably wouldn't have used that role either, and given it cane from Game C he had 3 other cards to pick from, so it's not unfeasible he received another Town card (that he used for Alignment) and picked the Role from any of the other 2.

What I do find scummy is his push on Pooky and arguing further when it was pointed out Pooky knew his discard will sshow in public. I also dislike his jump on Guillotina, then his shade of Toog.

But NK15 isn't exactly a noob either, so acting this scummy isn't due to his lack of experience, and that's what makes me hesitant to vote him. (Like. I am not familiar with the deck and there are way too many posts for me to go through in that thread, but it could be that there's a role that is "unyeetbale" and thus drawing the yeet unto themselves is pro-their-wincon. There could be a Jester 9and I don't mind yeeting that if that's the case). There could be some weird role that affects the game negatively if yeeted (like.. skip the next day and go straight to night..)

Anyway...

UNVOTE:

So you saying NK15 is TWTBW?

Surprised you'd subscribe to that Guillo.
We've both open wolfed to that point before.

I didnt? It's precisely why im asking.

[Guillotina]

So you saying NK15 is TWTBW?

No, I'm saying he wants us to vote him for some reason

And that scares you?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Not Known 15

I’d recommend vigging Lendunistus. The last time i played with him he didnt play most gsme, town didnt want to yeet him for lack of info snd scum didnt nk him cause why would they?

At F3 it was lend, me and scum.

After admitting he didnt read the game he voted me based on gut, i was town, the wolves won thanks to Lend, lend is acting the same way, no chance in hell he is not chopped or vigged before F3, stop cutting slack to slanks.

[Guillotina]

@Wisdom

What are your reads looking like as of now?

Guillotina - nulltown
MegAzumarill - scummy
Titus - almost certainly scum based on preference but I can give her a day
Selynee - null
Flea The Magician - nullscum
Almost50 - nulltown after recent but I wanna revisit later
Not Known 15 - probably scum
Toogeloo - nulltown
PookyTheMagicalBear - town
House - null
bloodhail - null
lendunistus - null
Wisdom
Ydrasse - very slight leantown for limiting claim options

Other than House the null people are people I haven't played with before which is not helping either

Why give Titus a day is she is the most scum player you read?

[Guillotina]

Wisdom

You are putting in your name, but say nothing there?
Putting "Town" in there would not be suspicious.
Leaving it out, neither.
But this is strange.
VOTE: Wisdom

Wha? What is strange about it?

[Guillotina]

If a player is killed while under “Sleep Paralysis”, their soul is collected by the Specter faction, joining them in the graveyard.

@mod

Does "killed" include via exile?

yes

Wha? That's nuts

[Guillotina]

Best course of action is to sleep then and hope there is a player with dead interaction actions to kill the specter.

VOTE: Sleep

[Guillotina]

I cant believe i'd ever vote sleep in my 20 years of mafia gaming.

[Guillotina]

I dont like what Lendunistus did when he cameback.

He can die

VOTE: Lendunistus

[Guillotina]

The Deck of Astral Roles II: Expanded Universe

Modded by TemporalLich, backup modded by Cook

Playerlist:

1. Guillotina
2. MegAzumarill
3. Titus
   Loftwing
4. Selynee
5. Flea The Magician
6. Almost50
   NotAJumbleOfNumbers
7. Not Known 15
8. Toogeloo
9. PookyTheMagicalBear
10. House
    KidAmn
11. bloodhail
12. lendunistus
13. Galron
14. Morning Tweet
15. Wisdom
16. Spangled
17. Ydrasse

Spoiler: Alive

• Guillotina
• MegAzumarill
• Titus
• Selynee
• Flea The Magician
• Almost50
• Not Known 15
• Toogeloo
• PookyTheMagicalBear
• House
• bloodhail
• lendunistus
• Wisdom
• Ydrasse

Spoiler: Dead

Spangled,

Specter Tracker

,

died

during pick selection
Galron,

Town 2-Shot Watcher

,

died

Day 1
Morning Tweet,

Abyss

claw

Crooked Mailman

,

died

Day 1

I gotta fluff while I still can

While you still can? What you mean?

[Guillotina]

Yeah because I did
We pick alignments in this game and we all know you like scum

That is kind of an illegal read and it sucks.

Townread rescinded, now null.

If not for preference meta, would you still wolfread Titus?

[Guillotina]

@guillotina at that time I was still wondering if I would be dead come next TL post
Obv not anymore but i was trying to give some final thoughts at least


I think the fake dayvig was a reaction test probably coming more from town

That is naive again. RTs can come from either alignment. He RTed and then bailed out that is the part I hated.

[Guillotina]

@guillotina at that time I was still wondering if I would be dead come next TL post
Obv not anymore but i was trying to give some final thoughts at least


I think the fake dayvig was a reaction test probably coming more from town

That is naive again. RTs can come from either alignment. He RTed and then bailed out that is the part I hated.

I mean you're not wrong

But why would scum willingly draw attention to themself like that?

Because that is precisely how scum attempt to get town read by people, by doing risky plays that draw attention, plays that make you say, nah, scum wouldn't do that.
Open Wolfing is the word i think.

[Guillotina]

And there is WIFOM too

[Guillotina]

And to whoever said my read is "illegal" or whatever
Meta is a thing, deal with it. Youre just helping scum by discrediting my reads.

That was me and im not trying to discredit your reads, i just think that you are either trying to fear yeet Titus or developed a bad unhealthy tunnel on her for bad reasons and calling people who disagree with you scummy is not helping you either.

Just because someone likes to rand wolf does not mean that they chose wolf here why?

Because of the roles! we rarely get the combo that we wanted, like me, i got a mafia werewolf goon card, a Town Deck of Astral Roles Oracle card and a town paranoid gun owner card. Im tired of randing wolf everywhere so i was not going to let getting town alignment pass, the oracle one i didnt see the utility of it for a loose cannon player like me and looked boring as hell, what i had left? Paranoid gun owner, a visitor killer, not a great role to get but at least i can claim it and make scum parties to back off or get wrecked while i solve the game uninterruptedly.

But i usually love to pick a scum alignment and combine it with a wacky role and create chaos in upick games, i just didnt get the cards that fit my wildcard play style this time. So do you see why that “meta” read is bad?
Titus could be scum in this game but no necessarily for that meta.

[Guillotina]

Oh now you claimed your cards too
Anything else you wanna tell scum to make it smoother for them?

I claimed in my second post but nobody really believes claims during RvS so i have to claim it again without being under pressure so town does not make the mistake to visit me and die.

Are you not ok with that?

[Guillotina]

Also if youre not gonna use your pgo to trick scum into targeting you or something how is it less boring than oracle

Wha? Im town and putting townies in jeopardy is against my wincon. Im surprised someone who has been playing mafia here since 2012 is asking me that? You are not noob so you dont get to ask newbie questions.

[Guillotina]

I wasnt asking why you claimed it
I just wouldn't pick it is what im saying

Im not you. Picking it as town and claiming it is a big f-u to scum parties and i love it!

It's fun knowing that for the first five cycles they can't do anything about it while i case and push them to their deaths. Fun fun fun!

[Guillotina]

Now i gota go to sleep.

[Guillotina]

If we lim him and he's unlimable we just know him to be scum, don't see how that's pro his wincon

Are you reading ONLY what you want to read? First you asked what I suspected he could be when I had already explained it. I quoted myself and you didn't get past the first proposition!!!

WHAT IF HIS ELIMINATION RESULTS IN SOMETHING WIERD, SUCH AS SKIPPING THE NEXT DAY, OR DISABLING ALL PROTECTIVE ROLES FOR THAT NIGHT, OR BLOCKING ALL NON-KILLING ACTIONS.. ETC?? I don't know if there ARE such roles in the deck, and I can't probably read the whole thread. Can you confirm that there are no such devastating roles?

So? There are 1000 wacky roles and win conditions in there. Im not gonna not yeet a wolfy slot for a WHAT IF.

VOTE: Not Known 15

[Guillotina]

I'll tell you this, if NK15 flips with anti-yeet bs or something happens for yeeting NK15, that means A50 had tmi and we should look into that.

[Guillotina]

the fake dayvig on meg was literally just an OMGUS joke

not liking guillotina now, feels like he’s just jumping on an easy potential lim

No, im just tired of losing games to slankers or because of slankers. You either play or get chopped and you have provided no meaningful content, so im waiting, give me reads, suspects, town leans, give me everything!

[Guillotina]

And i already lost a game because of you, so no, im not giving you a pass.

[Guillotina]

Same applies to bloodhail.

[Guillotina]

Here is what i propose, if anyone of us is a night vig and you dont have a scum read you want to resolve with their flip, kill slankers, those are the players scum will leave for f3 or their designated mischops, by denying them of those mischops, we begin boxing the wolves in, forcing them to push active players. It's a cold and yet effective strategy.

[Guillotina]

bruh how r u obvtown

all i've seen from you is some angleshooty "___ is scum cuz they would pick scum"

I think we shouldn't be trying to open that can of worms, discussing angleshooting is also angleshooting, let's just all stop.

[Guillotina]

And to whoever said my read is "illegal" or whatever
Meta is a thing, deal with it. Youre just helping scum by discrediting my reads.

That was me and im not trying to discredit your reads, i just think that you are either trying to fear yeet Titus or developed a bad unhealthy tunnel on her for bad reasons and calling people who disagree with you scummy is not helping you either.

Just because someone likes to rand wolf does not mean that they chose wolf here why?

Because of the roles! we rarely get the combo that we wanted, like me, i got a mafia werewolf goon card, a Town Deck of Astral Roles Oracle card and a town paranoid gun owner card. Im tired of randing wolf everywhere so i was not going to let getting town alignment pass, the oracle one i didnt see the utility of it for a loose cannon player like me and looked boring as hell, what i had left? Paranoid gun owner, a visitor killer, not a great role to get but at least i can claim it and make scum parties to back off or get wrecked while i solve the game uninterruptedly.

But i usually love to pick a scum alignment and combine it with a wacky role and create chaos in upick games, i just didnt get the cards that fit my wildcard play style this time. So do you see why that “meta” read is bad?
Titus could be scum in this game but no necessarily for that meta.

I like this but could be pocketing.

I like this but could be pocketing.

[Guillotina]

At least two of {Toogeloo;Wisdom;Titus} are not aligned with the Town.

This statement is a LIE.

I assume this was a lie detection action and couldn't you have checked something more concrete? Like someone claiming an alignment?

What does it mean it is a LIE that at least two out of those three are not aligned with us?

Does it mean that only one is?
Does it mean than none of them are?
Does it mean that at least two of them are town aligned?
Does it mean that Not Known 15 knows that statement is a lie?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Not Known 15

What are you thinking Pooky?

[Guillotina]

I just dont get why lie detect that when such statement is open for interpretation.

Is the mod confirming NK15 is lying about that statement or that the amount of not town aligned players is false?
Is the mod telling us NK15 has TMI or that we at least got two town clears? Or both?

[Guillotina]

Question: why would nk15 choose scum with that role?

I approve of its usage today tbh

So you think nk15 lie detected his own statement?

[Guillotina]

If NK15 is scum im a god of finding scum during rvs, my self proclaim specialty.

[Guillotina]

Question: why would nk15 choose scum with that role?

I approve of its usage today tbh

So you think nk15 lie detected his own statement?

I indeed did.

I dont believe you, there is no way a mod allows you to self lie detect unless this is some sort of public announced clairvoyant ability.

[Guillotina]

I only found one. Two actually but the fake lie detect ability can only be activated after earning mod favors, so it goes out of the window considering it maybe a slip, cause it cant be.

So this one is the only option: viewtopic.php?p=12722194#p12722194

Ive run lie detectors in the past as a host and i actually randed this ability as a player and i know for certain that the owner of the ability cannot self lie detect.

[Guillotina]

I dont think NK15 is the lie detector and i think he instead is trying to bait out the claim, except is so crazy to do it on day 1, why risk it as a wolf? It's almost like what House said, like if NK wants to get yeeted.

Now im gonna look into what roles benefit from getting yeeted, goddamn it.

[Guillotina]

Then why did NK15 make a posts whose sole purpose seems to be for a lie detector ability?

Hmmm… you thinking it could have been orchestrated or you still think he self lie detect? because self lie detections dont exist. How can you lie detect yoursrlf knowing you are lying or telling the truth, that's illogical!

[Guillotina]

At least we know this role dies not exist: viewtopic.php?p=12710791#p12710791

Because the mod refers to eliminations as “Exile” not yeets.

[Guillotina]

I feel obligated to believe he used the ability unless someone ccs.
Why wouldn't they since its one shot?

Meg! You cant lie detect yourself! YOU CANT LIE DETECT YOURSELF!

If you can, then the role is broken and TL is too experienced of a host to allow that.

[Guillotina]

wait why cant you lie detect yourself

Because lie detection is an investigation ability, you cant possibly investigate something you already know, in the context that you already know whether or not you are lying.

[Guillotina]

If you cant lie detect yourself can't you just ask someone to say something in quotes to lie detect it?
It doesnt feel much more powerful able to self target

Yah it could be a mafia orchestrating a gambit with a teammate with a lie detector, or two members of a neighborhood doing it, maybe two masons or two illuminatis.
Yah i would believe that more, but he is claiming he did it himself.

[Guillotina]

I dont think he is gonna answer that. You are asking the mod to confirm a claim publicly.

[Guillotina]

I dont see a problem with lie detecting yourself either

It's used on a statement and whether it's true, not on whether nk15's intention is to lie

Are you serious? If you believe that, then why dont you question why no15 didnt post that he was town and lue detect himself to become an inno child. Hmm?

Yah! Because he cant!!! Lie detection is not meant to give you an utility to clear yourself.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Bloodhail

This one has nothing going for them

[Guillotina]

Also the reason i figure pooky had 2 scum cards is that i believe he would have chosen Werewolf if he didnt

Also VT would be boring?? If you signed up for this game are you picking VT? Lol. I'd pick scum over VT. Probably. maybe

I agree, who picks VT in a bastard role madness game like this one right?

Someone who really despises playing scum and doesn't have another choice. But i imagine that's sort of a rare occurance given how the cards work

pedit: WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT POOKY SAID DURING THE PREGAME

These look like shields.

Ok no. MT was pushing pooky hard not shielding them.

So why sus A50 for her death when Pooky on surface had more reasons to her if Pooky was scum?

ya pooky killled her for shielding him great case champ

This comment is so wolfy, he is looking to push me while completely missing the point.

[Guillotina]

this is one of those games where the townies are the people who dont give a fuck because they just want to mess around and the weirdo tryhards are scum because they have group chats and are doing Plots

This reeks TMI. Who are the townies Bloodhail.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Not Known 15

I’d recommend vigging Lendunistus. The last time i played with him he didnt play most gsme, town didnt want to yeet him for lack of info snd scum didnt nk him cause why would they?

At F3 it was lend, me and scum.

After admitting he didnt read the game he voted me based on gut, i was town, the wolves won thanks to Lend, lend is acting the same way, no chance in hell he is not chopped or vigged before F3, stop cutting slack to slanks.

is this dude just voting everyone in the game

is there a role that gets something for voting everyone

Now I understand why he was not posting, he is scum and he can't even blend in.

This is a known scumtell and a NOOB scum-tell at that, "Oh so and so player is voting everywhere and so and so is all over the place".Noob-scum associate towniness with rigid play when it's exactly the opposite. we scumhunt so we push everyone that needs pushing for info. Get owned and get wrecked scum.

I hope the other wolves are as easy to find as you.

[Guillotina]

I feel obligated to believe he used the ability unless someone ccs.
Why wouldn't they since its one shot?

Meg! You cant lie detect yourself! YOU CANT LIE DETECT YOURSELF!

If you can, then the role is broken and TL is too experienced of a host to allow that.

this dude is malding because a bunch of people got soft cleared so he has fewer misfade targets

Who got soft cleared Bloodhail?

[Guillotina]

ok i caught up

town:
lendunistus
Toogeloo
PookyTheMagicalBear
Ydrasse
Flea The Magician
Wisdom
Almost50

scum:
Guillotina
MegAzumarill
Selynee
House
Not Known 15
Titus

Pooof! What?

I'd kill this guy if I was a vig.

VOTE: Bloodhail

[Guillotina]

I will not believe that a mod lets you self lie detect until i see it post game.

[Guillotina]

At least two of {Toogeloo;Wisdom;Titus} are not aligned with the Town.

This statement is a LIE.

I assume this was a lie detection action and couldn't you have checked something more concrete? Like someone claiming an alignment?

What does it mean it is a LIE that at least two out of those three are not aligned with us?

Does it mean that only one is?
Does it mean than none of them are?
Does it mean that at least two of them are town aligned?
Does it mean that Not Known 15 knows that statement is a lie?

Guillo I wasn't going to touch this..
At least 2 are not town is a lie.
We're looking for 0-1 in that bracket. Any scum flip in there clears the others.

Why weren't you going to touch this?

It says that

at least

two are not aligned with town is a lie.

It could be that only one in there is mafia or that all in there are town aligned. It is such a bad post to lie detect.

I'm gonna treat them like masons but if the days go on and they keep living then I will look into those three.

[Guillotina]

At least two of {Toogeloo;Wisdom;Titus} are not aligned with the Town.

This statement is a LIE.

I assume this was a lie detection action and couldn't you have checked something more concrete? Like someone claiming an alignment?

What does it mean it is a LIE that at least two out of those three are not aligned with us?

Does it mean that only one is?
Does it mean than none of them are?
Does it mean that at least two of them are town aligned?
Does it mean that Not Known 15 knows that statement is a lie?

Guillo I wasn't going to touch this..
At least 2 are not town is a lie.
We're looking for 0-1 in that bracket. Any scum flip in there clears the others.

Why weren't you going to touch this?

It says that

at least

two are not aligned with town is a lie.

It could be that only one in there is mafia or that all in there are town aligned. It is such a bad post to lie detect.

I'm gonna treat them like masons but if the days go on and they keep living then I will look into those three.

This actually is a pretty good post to lie detect imho. It forces people to talk reads while giving us concrete information the more we play. If any of these slots ever flip not town it’s like two cop checks and if the answer was true and one flipped town it’s like we know the other two aren’t town. Posts like this force reads and give info later.

I say it's a bad post to lie detect because i expect the ability to be used to give us an immediate clear or redcheck.

Like whoever did it could have asked players in their PoE if they are town and lie detect the answer of one of them for example.

[Guillotina]

I mean sure they could but that just seems weak sauce. Assume the player checked is town. They earned a one way ticket to night kill. Assume the person checked is not town. Then they just clam up ans give nothing and get turbo yeeted. This way the lie detector stays hidden and we generate more content and have the start of a town block. I really like it.

Oh well then we will eternally disagree on that. I will always choose redchecks/town clears over speculation in any game.

[Guillotina]

this is one of those games where the townies are the people who dont give a fuck because they just want to mess around and the weirdo tryhards are scum because they have group chats and are doing Plots

This reeks TMI. Who are the townies Bloodhail.

how do i have tmi in a multiball setup you moron

use generic buzzwords more

Call me moron one more time

[Guillotina]

this is one of those games where the townies are the people who dont give a fuck because they just want to mess around and the weirdo tryhards are scum because they have group chats and are doing Plots

This reeks TMI. Who are the townies Bloodhail.

how do i have tmi in a multiball setup you moron

use generic buzzwords more

If you are in a groupscum team, you have info of who is not town.

[Guillotina]

Whoooozaa. I try to be civilized so players enjoy playing with me, but see? Trouble looks for me.

Im gonna step back before i say things that can get me banned.

[Guillotina]

Whoooozaa. I try to be civilized so players enjoy playing with me, but see? Trouble looks for me.

Im gonna step back before i say things that can get me banned.

Guillo I'm going to be an ass but know I love you...

You did ask for it, and you were threateningly doing so. Like I'm a passive aggressive twat but that was some serious fist shaking

Meanwhile Bloodhail was there any reason you felt you had to spew such a list of obscenities to someone who clearly wasn't good with that? You absolute melon.

No! He personally attacked me and i gave him the chance to step back with a warning. He also suggested that i should seek mental therapy for not accepting his insults, and as you know i got mental conditions and im already in therapy! I will not let that fool insult me like that without consequences.

[Guillotina]

No one has died during the night...

Wisdom has mysteriously disappeared...

Day 2 has begun!

Day 2 Flavor

Elixir Thrive

VC 2.0

Not voting: Guillotina, MegAzumarill, Titus, Selynee, Flea The Magician, Almost50, Not Known 15, Toogeloo, PookyTheMagicalBear [2], House, lendunistus, Critter

With 13 vote power it takes 7 to exile.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-10-19 14:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

Huh, so we either got a vanisher, a kidnapper or a Hydra faction.

[Guillotina]

so are we going to talk about the fact that guillo was calling for me to be vigged not even a quarter into the day

Yah let's talk about it, I also want to reaffirm that if you continue not contributing to game solving, I will call for you getting vigged over and over until you do.

[Guillotina]

Oh there is a wisdom missing... well ok then I could've saved myself a day or two.

Oh well *shrug*

I did target wisdom last night, I did not vanish them.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: House

So House was indeed trying to pocket me, how cute.

[Guillotina]

Does anyone know if the Abyss/Dark Creatures have a factional kill or not?

You can always look them up in DoAR thread and share the info of your research with us maybe?

[Guillotina]

Also thank you Bloodhail for spewing me not partnered with the werewolves.

Much love! Despite all your insults, you turned out to be the best townsiding scum we could have ever hoped for, by speweing the unightkillable townie, not scum aligned

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Wisdom

I wanna test something, leaving this vote until the mod posts the next VC

[Guillotina]

Yeah screw it.

VOTE: Wisdom.

My vote is not moving.

So it was you who abducted Wisdom? Because I won't believe you didn't read the Day opening post.

VOTE: Flea

This post is really weird.

[Guillotina]

Yeah screw it.

VOTE: Wisdom.

My vote is not moving.

So it was you who abducted Wisdom? Because I won't believe you didn't read the Day opening post.

VOTE: Flea

I absolutely did not, and I'm sure if I ask Guillo a favour, he may even vouch for me and know what I did.

Huh? How would I know what you did?

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE:

So he was kidnapped.

[Guillotina]

VC 2.2

House (5) - Toogeloo, Flea The Magician, Critter, Selynee, Almost50 [E-2]

Wisdom (1) - Guillotina

Not voting: MegAzumarill, Titus, Not Known 15, PookyTheMagicalBear [2], House, lendunistus

With 13 vote power it takes 7 to exile.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-10-19 14:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

So Wisdom CAN be voted?? That's odd (At least to me).

Yah? what is it?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: House

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE:

So he was kidnapped.

Ffs. I kidnapped Wisdom thinking he would be nightkilled. The wording of the role made me think it would come first. He can post again tomorrow unless we think Flea has a guilty in which case I can just keep kidnapping him. The wording is unclear.

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE:

So he was kidnapped.

Ffs. I kidnapped Wisdom thinking he would be nightkilled. The wording of the role made me think it would come first. He can post again tomorrow unless we think Flea has a guilty in which case I can just keep kidnapping him. The wording is unclear.

So you saying that you can kidnap the same target consecutively? hmm!

[Guillotina]

Critter, since you outed already. Please claim the number of your role in the DoAR thread.

Because i honestly dont buy the “i thought i was gonna nightkill him and instead i kidnapped him” but im aware there are several wacky roles in that thread.

[Guillotina]

Yeah screw it.

VOTE: Wisdom.

My vote is not moving.

So it was you who abducted Wisdom? Because I won't believe you didn't read the Day opening post.

VOTE: Flea

I absolutely did not, and I'm sure if I ask Guillo a favour, he may even vouch for me and know what I did.

Huh? How would I know what you did?

Never mind then

Wtf?

[Guillotina]

Critter, since you outed already. Please claim the number of your role in the DoAR thread.

Because i honestly dont buy the “i thought i was gonna nightkill him and instead i kidnapped him” but im aware there are several wacky roles in that thread.

No. I am kidnapper. I am already outed. Secondly you can buy whatever you want. Wisdom is top tier town and wanted to be BP so I kidnapped him. Whether I give you a mystical number or not won’t change the fact I did it unless scum counter claim which nets us a scum. You should be looking for who is scum with House.

Oh really? Ok.

[Guillotina]

Yeah screw it.

VOTE: Wisdom.

My vote is not moving.

So it was you who abducted Wisdom? Because I won't believe you didn't read the Day opening post.

VOTE: Flea

I absolutely did not, and I'm sure if I ask Guillo a favour, he may even vouch for me and know what I did.

Flea was hinting at me the role they investigated and my dumb ass didnt catch it.

viewtopic.php?p=12722170#p12722170

I designed the role and there is no way someone choose a town alignment and combo it with that role.

VOTE: Wisdom

Get wrecked

[Guillotina]

If Wisdom flips scum, Meg should be vigged tonight.

[Guillotina]

For trying to buy time for Wisdom.

[Guillotina]

Minor FoS Guillotina but very minor. I don't think FoSes on people for not recognizing that are strong but it still has minor pings.

Come again?

[Guillotina]

Minor FoS Guillotina but very minor. I don't think FoSes on people for not recognizing that are strong but it still has minor pings.

Come again?

Hard to explain and it's basically a BoP argument.

I would have expected town!you to recognize the role Flea was crumbing. Then again, scum!you could have known and played dumb. Town!you might not have known. Scum!you on another team may not have known. So many possibilities, hence why a weak FoS.

You overestimate my ability to read Flea's behavior, i love them but i can't read them for shit and i'm always paranoid about them. It took their flip to put two and two together.

¯\\_(ツ)\_/¯

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE:

Unvoting to discuss more.

Anyone wanna talk about those three deaths? One who happened to be immune to kills dying at night?

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE:

Unvoting to discuss more.

Anyone wanna talk about those three deaths? One who happened to be immune to kills dying at night?

Short of anyone claiming vig not sure what we get here. There’s at least two scum teams from traitor flip. I doubt if scum had a way of killing unkillable Pooky they don’t exactly scream it.

Well duh! But shouldnt we take some time to back read, the more info we can get out before mimis the better.

I mean, i kill visitors so i got nothing to worry about unless scum want to commit suicide but may e updated reads from you guys?

[Guillotina]

maybe*

[Guillotina]

As my nieces put it mimis = sleep

[Guillotina]

Given the role I got n1, it's almost certainly a modifier remover.

Ok, your point is?

[Guillotina]

Critter, since you outed already. Please claim the number of your role in the DoAR thread.

Because i honestly dont buy the “i thought i was gonna nightkill him and instead i kidnapped him” but im aware there are several wacky roles in that thread.

No. I am kidnapper. I am already outed. Secondly you can buy whatever you want. Wisdom is top tier town and wanted to be BP so I kidnapped him. Whether I give you a mystical number or not won’t change the fact I did it unless scum counter claim which nets us a scum. You should be looking for who is scum with House.

This continues to ping me. When you said

You

should be looking for who is scum with House, instead of we.

Sounds like “

you guys

”. Also, it does not make sense that Critter says that Wisdom was town tier town for him who wanted BP so he kidnapped him?

Critter does your kidnapper act like a JK or just like a as a silencer?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Guillotina]

The kidnappers i see dont do anything but silence the target next day. I dont see how is that an utility for us.

There are two instances of it submitted by myself:

viewtopic.php?p=12976725#p12976725

viewtopic.php?p=12976731#p12976731

Critter, if you are town, stop silencing people. Do it again and i'll consider it a scum claim.

[Guillotina]

What if Critter silenced his own partner?



Not gonna lie, i would do it if i was a scum kidnapper for ultimate wifom.

[Guillotina]

Wisdom role is not townie but Critter's is not either tbfh.

[Guillotina]

The kidnappers i see dont do anything but silence the target next day. I dont see how is that an utility for us.

There are two instances of it submitted by myself:

viewtopic.php?p=12976725#p12976725

viewtopic.php?p=12976731#p12976731

Critter, if you are town, stop silencing people. Do it again and i'll consider it a scum claim.

Got it but I am literally not scum lmao and you just proved it. The scum teams are werewolf and claws from Morning Tweet’s flip. Yes my role isn’t Townie but I used it in the best way possible. I thought their absence would apply to night actions. I was wrong.

Nope, Claws is not an alignment. I went to check in DoAR to see if i maybe missed it and it does not exist, i think by the color of the claws in Morning's flip, Claws are just the werewolves.
Plus we know that an Specter exists and who knows what's out there that we dont know yet.

So as far as you are concerned, you are now Vanilla.

[Guillotina]

Yes. Can't do anything about roles though. Thought it would be useful if someone claimed "sleep paralysis".

bah

I think this is it. Makes sense for a dead faction being able to post a bah, right after Selynee posted about Sleep Paralysis.

[Guillotina]

We obviously have at least 2 living Scums. Could be 3 (but we have at least 2 greens since Town starts with more than Scum, i.e. at least 9)

Time to claim EVERYTHING I think? Like, cards in ALL 3 games and picks from ALL.. all details to be clear.. "I received X, Y & Z in game A and I picked X for Alignment, B for Role & C to discard".

I propose NK/Critter go first, then the other, then Meg, then Guillo and I go last

Nah my friend. Meg then Critter then NK then you and me last.

If we are mass claiming I'm supervising it.

[Guillotina]

Nah my friend. Meg then Critter then NK then you and me last.

Don't be a mule head. Meg goes last of the 3. I am OK claiming before you though

This mule head has the means to solve this game, we'll do it my way, if you are town, you wanna let me oversee this.

[Guillotina]

@Guillo: I know you've outed in Ircher's game, but I forgot whose alt you are. Can you remind me?

Lustice Jeague

[Guillotina]

We obviously have at least 2 living Scums. Could be 3 (but we have at least 2 greens since Town starts with more than Scum, i.e. at least 9)

Time to claim EVERYTHING I think? Like, cards in ALL 3 games and picks from ALL.. all details to be clear.. "I received X, Y & Z in game A and I picked X for Alignment, B for Role & C to discard".

I propose NK/Critter go first, then the other, then Meg, then Guillo and I go last

Okay a couple of questions.

I don’t understand what you’re asking here. I have send a request out to the mod but I don’t know what this means.

Why did you pick this order? NK seems to be proven true with Toog and Titus flipping town and Wisdom being scum.

I have already claimed my role and didn’t kidnap anyone like agreed?

Critter, I need all the cards you were given for all 3 games and then your picks please.

[Guillotina]

Dont do it before Meg does

[Guillotina]

We obviously have at least 2 living Scums. Could be 3 (but we have at least 2 greens since Town starts with more than Scum, i.e. at least 9)

Time to claim EVERYTHING I think? Like, cards in ALL 3 games and picks from ALL.. all details to be clear.. "I received X, Y & Z in game A and I picked X for Alignment, B for Role & C to discard".

I propose NK/Critter go first, then the other, then Meg, then Guillo and I go last

Okay a couple of questions.

I don’t understand what you’re asking here. I have send a request out to the mod but I don’t know what this means.

Why did you pick this order? NK seems to be proven true with Toog and Titus flipping town and Wisdom being scum.

I have already claimed my role and didn’t kidnap anyone like agreed?

Critter, I need all the cards you were given for all 3 games and then your picks please.

I am a replacement?

I'm sure your replacement got a set of cards.

[Guillotina]

Dont do it before Meg does

I am trying to figure out what “it” means without copy pasting from the mod?

Actually that is a good point.

@Temporal Lich can we publicly claim the cards we randed for A, B and C game and then our picks or nah?

[Guillotina]

I am interested in why you’re viewing Almost50 as a top tier town and your order G. Can you explain why?

I don't specifically townread him, I just don't townread you or Meg and we obviously gotta have majority or we'd already lost.

[Guillotina]

I am interested in why you’re viewing Almost50 as a top tier town and your order G. Can you explain why?

I don't specifically townread him, I just don't townread you or Meg and we obviously gotta have majority or we'd already lost.

This unfortunately may not be the case. A lot of town has been dying overnight. It might be a battle of the scum teams here.

We'll see

[Guillotina]

@Temporal Lich can we publicly claim the cards we randed for A, B and C game and then our picks or nah?

yes, as long as you do not quote them

Not to be stubborn but I legit don’t know how to do this without copy pasting so I am confused on how to do this without breaking the rules I am sorry.

This is quoting

[Guillotina]

This is how we are gonna do it so it does not violate the rules.

We are gonna submit the cards by referring to the post number in the actual DoAR thread, hyperlinked of course, so we dont have to waste time looking them up.

[Guillotina]

I'm getting the same feeling, besides, a silencer is not a role you'd pick if you are town. Maybe we should just motivate him to comply.

VOTE: Critter

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE: Critter

I want Meg first though.

[Guillotina]

I have something that says

Game A
Lists thing ( thing / other thing)
Lists thing2 ( thing / thing)

If I have to find all those things and quote them I can’t do that while working.

You can have me here providing content or you can say I am not complying by not looking up a billion things while working.

Continue to push this and I don’t post until another 8+ hours because likely OT

I'm telling you now, when Meg claims, I expect you to follow within the hour. If you have not, I'll push for your yeet because you do sound like buying time, you do sound like a wolf that does not know what to do right now.

[Guillotina]

@Guillo: What makes you think Meg is not Critter's p? That's why I wanted her THIRD, to force either of Critter/NK15 to claim before she shows up, as she -by her own admission- is an expert in the roles and mechanics of this thread

I have no idea what possible alignment Meg could be but my gut is telling me that NK15 is town, i Picked up something yesterday in the thread.

That said, I can meet in the middle with you and let you force Critter claim first then.

[Guillotina]

I'm not liking his excuses to not mass claim, we gave him all the options so he could do it without breaking the rules.

[Guillotina]

I mean my role is confirmable and I know everyone else's. Not alignments though.

Toog is a dc kill, titus is ww. Selynee is tk

We don't exactly have time to confirm your role now do we?

How exactly did you allegedly learn the bold?

[Guillotina]

I think we can work with that info for now.

@Not Known 15 you are up.

[Guillotina]

Im suspecting Meg because there is no way Town had two role cops and a scum finder.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Critter

You sure rolled a LOT of "Mod Chooses After Picks" cards

P-edit: Just entertain us and claim your cards, if you please.

This is a weak sauce push. I got three Mod Chooses/Discretion in the three games i randed, as alignments as you will see when i claim. Two in game C.

[Guillotina]

That's NOT what I'm asking though... *Sigh*

Let me lead by example.. just from Game A for now:

I received 3 cards:

I picked my ROLE from

Pissed Off Scum (Mafia)

I picked my ALIGNMENT from

Combined Multitasking Night-one One-shot Neighbourizer Night-one One-shot Neighbourizer (Town)

I DISCARDED

Astral Creature Doctor (Astral Creature)

You just received 3 cards for Game A?

Just three?

[Guillotina]

Guillo are you not pgo?

You just wait.

[Guillotina]

Guillo are you not pgo?

Meg how many cards you got for Game A?

[Guillotina]

Never mind then

[Guillotina]

I mean everyone has given claims for roles except you and a50. (And me)
One of you is gladiator.
One of you is ???? (Pgo claim filled this slot)

I got 4 for Game A and C

Game A

Town Reckless Soldier (Post 332)
Town Monk or Neighbor (Post 192)
Town Deck of Astral Roles Oracle (Post 553)
Mafia Werewolf Goonie (Post 636)

Game B

Mod Chooses After Picks Sussy Player (Post 670)
Astral Creature 1-Shot Follower (Post 894)
Town Amateur Cop (Post 246)

Game C

Alien Mindseeker (Post 365)
Apparition Mod Discretion Combo Card (Post 393)
Mod Chooses Group List After Picks 1-shot Fruit Vendor (Post 923)
Town Clairvoyant (Post 610)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My Picks

GAME A

Town Immeasurably Reckless Soldier With A Secret Stash Of Toys

(Inventor)

GAME B

Astral Sussy Player

Game C

Alien Clairvoyant

[Guillotina]

I still got the Nikita and the bomb detector left.

The nikita will make me a pgo tonight, so in a way, i have always been a pgo, i just have not activated it yet.

I tried sending the vulcan to Flea, they picked up on my fake claim and played along, we understand each other fine but we play dumb to protect each other.

Last night i tried sending the night goggles to Titus.

I believe both actions went through as i didnt get them back as opposed to another game where i randed a similar less powerful role and i got the inventions back when i got roleblocked.

[Guillotina]

I need to bounce. Bbl dont hammer anyone without me.

[Guillotina]

Rest of card stuff i forgot (besides my actual role/alignment cards)
My private discard for C was werewolf number flip.
My alignment for A was a weakizer
My alignment for B was a Mod choice cop

Meg claim it like we are five year olds. What is your alignment and role or explain to me how you got to the “results” i bolded in your post before. Either works.

[Guillotina]

What can I say? Insects grow on people as good pets.

I agree

on the NK townread. That’s the only role demonstrated besides mine.

The “I agree” scum tell.

Your role silenced a guy that was outed by a role cop which denied us his spew. If anything you intended to protect him from having to post, everything indicates that you are Wisdom's partner as the kidnapping ability only silences the target, it does not block it.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Critters

[Guillotina]

What can I say? Insects grow on people as good pets.

I agree

on the NK townread. That’s the only role demonstrated besides mine.

The “I agree” scum tell.

Your role silenced a guy that was outed by a role cop which denied us his spew. If anything you intended to protect him from having to post, everything indicates that you are Wisdom's partner as the kidnapping ability only silences the target, it does not block it.

This isn’t a scumtell it’s cooperation.

If I was Wisdom’s partner I don’t bus him immediately. Dude is good. Last thing I would want is him not in my scum PT. I think you’re barking up the only tree that saves you.

The only tree that saves me?

I got pelts! I got Bloodhail's and Wisdom's. I also called out House for trying to pocket me.
I got spewed by the DK and Werewolves. Sucks to scum now

[Guillotina]

Do you know what is more hilarious? That scum got played by me! I scared them to death with my fake claim and never tried to kill me because they'd die! Poor suckeeeeers! Little did they know that while i was catching them with their pants down and getting them axed, they could have killed me and maybe avoid getting yeeted because of my push.

It is a shame though that the people i townread and tried to get inventions to died, those toys would have helped us seal this game quicker or at least put us at a better position now, but im optimistic! I believe we win because scum cant visit me or they all die to Nikita tonight.

[Guillotina]

What can I say? Insects grow on people as good pets.

I agree

on the NK townread. That’s the only role demonstrated besides mine.

The “I agree” scum tell.

Your role silenced a guy that was outed by a role cop which denied us his spew. If anything you intended to protect him from having to post, everything indicates that you are Wisdom's partner as the kidnapping ability only silences the target, it does not block it.

This isn’t a scumtell it’s cooperation.

If I was Wisdom’s partner I don’t bus him immediately. Dude is good. Last thing I would want is him not in my scum PT. I think you’re barking up the only tree that saves you.

The only tree that saves me?

I got pelts! I got Bloodhail's and Wisdom's. I also called out House for trying to pocket me.
I got spewed by the DK and Werewolves. Sucks to scum now

You did neither.
Bloodhail was newb scum who decided to yell at the thread and broke at the slightest bit of pressure and House was guiltied.

To be fair this aggression is Townie but I am pretty sure there’s only two town left of 5.

Yo! Bloodhail was noobscum who tried to push me and got his nuts clipped by me. Bloodhail is MY PELT, MY PELT ALONE.

[Guillotina]

Calls my push weak sauce then proceeds to vote the same person. Insists to claim last but goes before -not just me but even- NK15 shows up.

So? Your push was weak sauce, mine is not and i changed my mind in the order of the claims because i can and because i had forgotten about the lie detector (still cant beleve that temporal would let NK15 lie detect himself).

[Guillotina]

Last night i tried sending the night goggles to Titus.

Why didn't you use them yourself?

Sending that one to conftown likely to die instead of using it yourself?
Sounds like a scumslip.

Because Toog was also alive and he was a cop? So i figured i had time to send them the goggles and clear myself to him.

[Guillotina]

To her*

[Guillotina]

What ate monks exactly? Like masons?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Guillo this is easy dude isn’t listening

This guy is howling. I have thought it over and im not removing my vote from this guy.

[Guillotina]

What ate monks exactly? Like masons?

Not WW, like masons otherwise.

Do monks work exactly like masons? Are you two confirmed town to each other?

[Guillotina]

Get REKT, Guillo. IF you are Town, we LOST either way because I am TOWN.

If you are Scum, then I GET TO WIPE OFF THAT SMUG SMILE OFF YOUR FACE

Omg. If you are town and you gladiated me because you hate my guts on a personal level. Im am never going to play with you again, ever ever again.

But i think i pissed you off because i goaded scum with “i played you scum” and you fell for it.

It is between you or Critters if what Meg and NK is telling the truth.

[Guillotina]

Im gonna wait for mod confirmation.

[Guillotina]

A50

if you gladiated me because you hate my guts and you are town, you threw the game and im not playing with you again. Please be scum, please be scum because if you are town, expect an after game bashing!

I have done my job and i played to our wincon. It is between A50 and Critters, it gotta be.

[Guillotina]

Almost is still probably scum even if not wolf or dc
We almost certainly have sunshine plus someone else who can daykill

You're "this close" of triggering my

tunnel

ability.

Seriously, I DISCARDED SUNSHINE FOCUS OF LIGHT IN THIS GAME (Game B)

Almost likes scum

First lie. Everyone knows I'm sick and tired of being SR'd in most of my games, and everyone knows I never pick anything over Town willingly. As a matter of fact, I picked TOWN for ALL THREE games. It was a matter of what ROLE I picked from the other cards.

VOTE: Wisdom

Almost is full of shit

If you're Town (and I very much doubt it now) you should step back and stop spewing junk, cuz you'd look really bad if I flipped.

FYI, I was dealt 2 Town cards and that Sunshine card I discarded in Game B. My ALIGNMENT card was a DayVig (Town Kitchen Gun). Did you see me publicly posting Bang Bang Bang?? Did either of Galron or TM flip as "Sparkles Like New!"??

Now keep pressuring me to know what my ROLE CARD was. (Hint: it's NOT a killing Role, and it's not an investigative either)

[Guillotina]

Just so you all understand:

we'll do it my way, if you are town, you wanna let me oversee this.

Now WHERE IS HIS SOLVE?

TBH, I thought about gladiating him one this one, but decided he may still have some knowledge that I don't. But how he played it all out feels more like "overconfident Scum" who thinks they already won. If you're LEADING and you LAY THE RULES you better STICK TO THEM

So you scum read me and gladiate me because my way of solving and my way of leading does not meet your fucking standards? Are you fucking serious! I HOPE YOU ARE SCUM DUDE! I HOPE YOU ARE NOT TOWN! Because the reason you gladiated me for is for personal reasons and that is game throwing if you are town!

Im looking at your ISO and saw that you jumped at Flea when they outed Wisdom but the way Wisdom attacked you in the posts i quoted tells me that you cant be partners.
So was this early game distancing or was Wisdom trying to get rid of someone who knows their scum play?

[Guillotina]

Oh and to everyone else if you got personal beef with me, do us a favor and dont sign up to games im playing and let me know so i dont sign up to games you are playing.

[Guillotina]

Im not scum and A50 gladiated me because he hates my guts, that is a goddamn personal attack.

[Guillotina]

Ok so Dark Creatures factional is like a roleblock and a delayed kill?

[Guillotina]

Im not scum and A50 gladiated me because he hates my guts, that is a goddamn personal attack.

Please don’t throw stuff around like this.

G has to protect me and I hit scum elim A50 I think is the only way town or I has a shot. Gtg

Didnt you see his post when he gladiated me, he called me Pompus after i goaded scum. That is an impulsive scum reaction or someone who actually hates me onna petsonal level.

Also, if you are talking about tonight, I cant protect you. The Nikita only allows me to self target, it protects me.

[Guillotina]

Ok so Dark Creatures factional is like a roleblock and a delayed kill?

No idea.
I just know I haven’t been hit with it because my kills have been going through.

I was trying to tell you G elimming me was stupid and trying to side with you but noooooo

Did you kill Lend?

[Guillotina]

Yes, appears to pierce BP too

Wow that is OP.

[Guillotina]

Wisdom

You are putting in your name, but say nothing there?
Putting "Town" in there would not be suspicious.
Leaving it out, neither.
But this is strange.
VOTE: Wisdom

See what I mean??

NO WAY this is a Town mindset, granted, but also NO WAY it comes from conventional Scum

. NK15 is provoking us to wagon him for some reason.

A50, forget your personal grievances with me, i promise you i will not play future games with you but help me solve you in this one.

What does a non-conventional scum mindset look or sound like?

[Guillotina]

wait why cant you lie detect yourself

Because lie detection is an investigation ability, you cant possibly investigate something you already know, in the context that you already know whether or not you are lying.

Well, first off: This isn't a Normal. In fact; it's an explicitly bastard game.
Second: The statement is the lie, not the poster. You can look at it as if the check is done to determine if the statement is true or false. Thus me stating something and then examining it is totally logical.

Why were you willing to believe in the self lie detection if you thought that NK15 didnt have a conventional but scummy nonetheless mindset?

[Guillotina]

Ok so Dark Creatures factional is like a roleblock and a delayed kill?

No idea.
I just know I haven’t been hit with it because my kills have been going through.

I was trying to tell you G elimming me was stupid and trying to side with you but noooooo

Did you kill Lend?

Nope

we

accidentally killed Tweet

Gtg but I think your Nikita says you give it away

What do you mean “we”?

[Guillotina]

Ok so Dark Creatures factional is like a roleblock and a delayed kill?

No idea.
I just know I haven’t been hit with it because my kills have been going through.

I was trying to tell you G elimming me was stupid and trying to side with you but noooooo

Did you kill Lend?

Nope

we

accidentally killed Tweet

Gtg but I think your Nikita says you give it away

What do you mean “we”?

Do you understand that i will not live to see it send if i try to send it to anyone right, the optimal play of the nikta is to self target with it and i played the way i have to force scum into having to avoid me and try to get me yeeted during the day, as it is happening now.

[Guillotina]

help me solve you in this one.

Why would you want to solve me? We're in a GLADIATION. One of us must die today. Are you -God forbid- willing to self-sacrifice if you know I'm Town?

Because -in all honesty- why would I want to help someone I think is Scum (more like I'm

convinced

is Scum) read others?

And besides; yes.. you're asking me to help you read NK15. not myself.

Because the gladiator action is fake unless the mod came here, posted the VCA and ignored your action. So you are either bluffing or reaction testing and the RT is over because i know it is not real.
Im asking you to help me solve you and others, is that a goddamn problem with you? Didnt you say i was not solving? Make up your bloody mind.

[Guillotina]

Ok so Dark Creatures factional is like a roleblock and a delayed kill?

No idea.
I just know I haven’t been hit with it because my kills have been going through.

I was trying to tell you G elimming me was stupid and trying to side with you but noooooo

Did you kill Lend?

Nope

we

accidentally killed Tweet

Gtg but I think your Nikita says you give it away

What do you mean “we”?

Do you understand that i will not live to see it send if i try to send it to anyone right, the optimal play of the nikta is to self target with it and i played the way i have to force scum into having to avoid me and try to get me yeeted during the day, as it is happening now.

Yeeting you looks fun

If you are scum yah, i can see how fun and refreshing yeeting me may feel.

If i am nothing yeeted say goodbye to the only chance at winning if you are town.

[Guillotina]

VC 4.2

Guillotina (1) - Almost50 [E-2]

Almost50 (1) -

Critter

[E-2]

Not voting:

MegAzumarill

,

Not Known 15

, Guillotina

With 5 vote power it takes 3 to exile.

Almost50 is challenging Guillotina.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-10-24 15:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

Well shit. Nice throw.

VOTE: Almost50

[Guillotina]

Ok so Dark Creatures factional is like a roleblock and a delayed kill?

No idea.
I just know I haven’t been hit with it because my kills have been going through.

I was trying to tell you G elimming me was stupid and trying to side with you but noooooo

Did you kill Lend?

Nope

we

accidentally killed Tweet

Gtg but I think your Nikita says you give it away

What do you mean “we”?

Do you understand that i will not live to see it send if i try to send it to anyone right, the optimal play of the nikta is to self target with it and i played the way i have to force scum into having to avoid me and try to get me yeeted during the day, as it is happening now.

Yeeting you looks fun

If you are scum yah, i can see how fun and refreshing yeeting me may feel.

If i am nothing yeeted say goodbye to the only chance at winning if you are town.

Dude I claimed scum. Unless I exist only to troll games I am scum.

Siiiiiiighs. Im outta here.

Bloody game throwers

[Guillotina]

Ok. Timing with the results and mechanics delivery is of essence for games like this.

If I had gotten the paranoid gun shooter invention in time, I would have tried to play dumb around Flea's Wisdom result, play like I never Understood what they were trying to tell me and push Critter. Then give the invention to Wisdom for him to activate (although I think it'd still be too late for him to activate by the time he could).

But with Wisdom silenced for a second time and no invention and Wisdom getting pushed I had to try to look townie and town me, puts 2 and 2 together after Flea's flip and chops Wisdom, no questions asked. Not doing so puts me in the spotlight for people that knows how I play.

I also believe that the town numbers should not be disclosed in the OP and I still hold that Town should have true majority not minimum majority.

Specter shouldn't have been flipped, it is a challenging faction to be in in anonymity, it is extra hard when it is revealed to the public upon game start, sleep paralysis was created that way because Specter flip was supposed to be secret until someone with dead interaction actions would kill them.

The self lie detect is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in a bastard game lol.

Anyway, how did Meg know all those actions if they were just a Monk?

[Guillotina]

Also, I don't think this site is for me. I've been trying to adapt but the length of these games put psychological pressure on scum factions as town by default come in with a lot of time to reconsider their reads, the only way I can see myself winning as scum for the first time is by slanking, by giving town as less info as possible and that is something my hyperactive ass cannot do.

Plus, when I joined this site my vision was to host games here (two-week long day phases = Hosting Paradise) and play Blitz games here or at other sites, but I couldn't even fill a 13 player one and I'm not interested in running normal open set ups. So, I've concluded that this site is not a fit for my playstyle and hosting is also out of the picture plus I got a feeling not many people enjoy playing with me anyway so, yah, this is my last game here! But I leave you a legacy of 147 unique roles and factions in the DoAR to play with.

Cheers