Mini Normal 2238 | Game Over

[Nero Cain]

I disagreed with all of your premises.

yet you are sheeping me. My argument is that all the vts are town and both scum are fakeclaiming prs. You are saying that CSF andYthan are both fakeclaiming scum thus you are arguing the same as me.

[Nero Cain]

I think they should both check him that way no way can argue they were blocked or some shit.

[Nero Cain]

how can you think that scum are both CSF and Ythan yet not think is 5/5? Its almost like you know you are wrong.

[Nero Cain]

I think with 11 alive that doesn’t add up.

there are 12 alive.

This was a 13 player. Occam's says there were 3 scum. We killed 1 scum meaning the are 2 left. 12-2 is 10 meaning there are 10 town. There are 7 pr claims and 4 vt claims. A 5/5 town split more way more sense to me than a 6/4 or 7/3. Thus 2 of the prs are lying. Math is in your username. C'mon man.

[Nero Cain]

OMFG Math you've been here 8 years? how do you not understand basic setup design?

[Nero Cain]

Now I can save mine for someone more useful!

Also thought this was pretty weird. You think scum are CSF and Ythan and were are about to vote out CSF leaving 1 last scum yet your check on him is "not useful" I call bullshit. If you think he's the last scum left (assuming CSF flips scum) then he's the guy you want to check. Even if CSF didn't flip scum he's still your scum read and a worthwhile check FYPOV.

[Nero Cain]

inb4 Titus is planning on killing Ythan but doesn't want to "investigate" there so she won't have to fight off paranoia that "OMG U VISITED A GUY THAT DIED!"

[Nero Cain]

Math lets "vote out a VT" but wanting to not vote out what is ESSENTIALLY a claimed vt. is mildly dumb. CSF has zero powers and if she does she's just lying scum.

[Nero Cain]

Now I can save mine for someone more useful!

Also thought this was pretty weird. You think scum are CSF and Ythan and were are about to vote out CSF leaving 1 last scum yet your check on him is "not useful" I call bullshit. If you think he's the last scum left (assuming CSF flips scum) then he's the guy you want to check. Even if CSF didn't flip scum he's still your scum read and a worthwhile check FYPOV.

CSF is a wasted check when we should lim CSF.

I'd rather catch the hard to get scum.

this had nothing to do with CSF.

We are voting out CSF.

You are replying but not really "replying"

titus is scum

[Nero Cain]

Titus could be bussing, it whittles down the pr pool and there's a chance backup vig was just a fakeclaim

[Nero Cain]

the difference is that all the vts are town. And both scum are prs.

[Nero Cain]

or at least claimed prs

[Nero Cain]

just vote csf man

[Nero Cain]

I'm planning on shooting math tonight anyways to cut down on things. I was a goon. So flip me after I shoot Math tonight

[Nero Cain]

just b/c you are a "lvl0" town doesn't mean you shouldn't strive for better.

[Nero Cain]

csf lim is effectively the same as a vt lim. but CDF claim is bad, the vts are town and even if csf was town it whittles down the pool.

[Nero Cain]

andre just vote CSF. The POE is her, titus and House anyways.

[Nero Cain]

The only reason (and I mean this) that Nero is Town is because Ythan isn’t coming out saying Nero is Town and they’re the Team - way too risky and idiotic.

shut up andre. I may have not been very accurate early game but my play hasn't been "scummy" or bad.

[Nero Cain]

so much butthurt in this game

[Nero Cain]

Cat Scratch Fever (5) - Nero Cain, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb, House
Kerset (3) - ssbm_Kyouko, Cat Scratch Fever, Ythan
Ythan (1) - Kerset
House (1) - Dragon of the West
No Elimination (1) - Almost50

Not voting (1): MathBlade

[Nero Cain]

is it 6 to hammer? just hammer ythan

[Nero Cain]

ythan prob dies in the night but if he doesn't we can circle back. He should be getting investigated though so w/e....

[Nero Cain]

Math hard defending CSF isn't impossible to be a buddy.

Titus spent the whole game light tunneling on CSF and then changed her tune and called CSF town at the last moment and I think that makes some sense as scum play. Also, she said some really dumb things @ EOD.

House could still be scum too. Outside chance of DOTW/DGB but I still think its most likely in the above 3.

Titus/Math/House

^

we hang one of those today

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: titus

[Nero Cain]

we've already mass claimed.

[Nero Cain]

What do you think of House mentioning Ascetic yesterday Nero?

Also, you just have your reality straight up wrong for what happened yesterday Nero.

I think it's possible that he knew what she'd flip but it's not unreasonable that he could have thought ascetic for being asked to cop her. He's in the POE pool anyways.

What about my reality is straight-up wrong?

[Nero Cain]

Why is it that ppl are acting like a50 makes 0 sense as the n1 kill? to me, that's just the simplest solution and explains the no kill. So kinda makes Math's role look real? ofc, there's the tin foil that Math no killed so he looks real but he's in the POE anyways so eh...

[Nero Cain]

I was the biggest reason CSF was wagoned initially. I stayed on that wagon until it got vetoed and came back when people said it could be a thing.

but you were also calling CSF

town

despite sitting on her wagon. So it just looks like you wanting to be on a wagon that you knew was going to flip scum. Yes you spent some time pushing CSF, scum can still push their buddies. You never said much about

WHY

CSF is scum or tried to hard push. You just said that CSF is scum ad nauseam.

[Nero Cain]

We can use Math to create 1 conftown per night.

lol, the vts are already conf town.

I mean, I just find it hard to believe that this is a 6/4 town split.

Who is scum, Titus?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I do kinda agree with you that towns investigation power being a 1x cop and possibly a 1x rolecop seems weak so

maybe

the TA with a ton of nerfs is needed but her play around CSF is just wonky.

[Nero Cain]

Titus, if you felt CSF was town as you said near EOD, why were you still on the CSF wagon?

[Nero Cain]

4497 is so cringe

[Nero Cain]

I don't really care which Titus sibling we kill but I want one of them dead at EOD

[Nero Cain]

lol no

[Nero Cain]

I mean

MAYBE

town power is

joat
ta
jk
1x cop

and that leaves the plain neighbor and the mailman as ??? but I just mean, Titus and Math's play have both been pretty scummy and bad.

[Nero Cain]

Why should Math not jail me? I'm like the only confirmed town. I mean yes, I do think that all the other vts are also town but I'm publicly confirmed not to be scum.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I don't care about dying but I'm the correct keep b/c im cop cleared. If Math is town and too little to do the pro-town thing then that's on him but making sure that the inno stays alive seems like the correct play, no?

[Nero Cain]

im still in a newbie gamw

[Nero Cain]

tbf Titus is telling the truth about targeting ythan

[Nero Cain]

or we could just end the game by voting out Titus.

Math is being petty and won't do the right pro-town thing. House is an anti-town idiot that won't vote Titus b/c she's his "friend"

[Nero Cain]

If Titus is scum I don't even think you could figure her out. You'll likely argue that you did once she voted you in Lemon Demon. I don't know if you ever suspected her b4 then.

I'll have to look at her interaction with Wake but her CSF stuff never felt like a strong push and just light distancing.

[Nero Cain]

I'm confirmed town, the fuck is my color?

[Nero Cain]

Math, why aren't you going to protect me?

[Nero Cain]

You're an agent of chaos.

I mean, not really? I get that you are sore but just calling me chaotic doesn't mean I am.

[Nero Cain]

boy, bye

[Nero Cain]

asks for CSF votes in 211

reminds us that CSF exists in 605

1302 is the first mention of Wake being scum.

She clarifies in 1317 that it's his hostility.

votes Wake in 1632.

blank votes CSF in 2683

Math calls CSF a shit vote and Titus challenges him on it in 2697

says her interactions with Wake were awkward in 2706

thought 2742 is interesting b/c she lists CSF and 3 others she'd vote.

by 3020 she's sitting on Andre

talks about a Andre-CSF team in 3051

3200 says they'll go back to CSF if a50 does

3207 talks about going back to CSF

finally goes back to voting CSF in 3212

3224 talks about killing CSF

3369 talks about killing CSF

calls CFS obvscum in 3378

You should just vote Ythan and help us end this terrible day.

between that post and 3378 there were a few more posts talking about CSF but by now she's pushing Ythan.

Let's just lim Ythan and move on like adults.

Can you just vote Ythan so we can move on?

Is calling CSF

TOWN

in 3757

by this point, ythan is a claimed cop, and Titus is yelling and screaming for us to kill that.

realizes that ythan wagon won't happen; proposes a Dragon or Andre wagon and votes Dragon in 3807.

votes CSF in 4111 but quickly goes to ssbm in 4114

another not SF vote in 4139

now that I start pushing CSF, Titus comes back. Then the day ends.

I don't feel like she pushed CSF or Wake that hard on d1. D2 she pushes CSF harder than I remembered but it's not within the realms of impossibility that it was distancing with her eventually town reading her and trying to eliminate a whole bunch of other people. I mean maybe you could look at that and say

oh well that means that Titus didn't know CSF was scum.

I don't think she "worked her ass off"

[Nero Cain]

Math...after arguing that CSF was town I don't think you should have any input on reads

[Nero Cain]

I worked hard, too!

Spoiler:

Cat Scratch Fever >> Unlikely scum due to VCA. Easy miselim bait.

Talk to me more on this please.

I will talk.

CSF pushed Wake hard, really hard, when Wake88 gained momentum, CSF unvoted and counterwagoned. Never went back the the Wake88 wagon she created and foamed about earlier.

VOTE: Wake

Upon review, I think I prefer this to DotW. DotW actually gave reads in his catch up, while Wake posts a whole lot of nothing.

@Titus
You mean here? Where no one was talking about Wake?

C’mon sis let it go.

You’re seriously derailing progress here.

You’re not listening to your townreads at all.

It's a case of distancing.

I find hard to see CSF flip red with resistance like this. House voted long ago, MB barely hesitated to vote, DGB was there long ago. So cat is scum with Ythan and they just gave up on positing? Nah

Yes

Nero... CSF was the one who started, pushed, then slipped off the Wake wagon as it gained momentum.

We still should be eliminating CSF though.

I don't understand why a backup vig claim is believable. There doesn't seem to be a vig, and if there is a vig, a backup is too much late-game firepower in the hands of town.

CSF drops a dodgy claim and vanishes.

Why did people unvote that???

Don't get me wrong, Ythan is another excellent choice, I may vote sometime later today.

My entire PoE on one wagon (edited to reflect VCA far as I can tell) this will go swimmingly well. /s

And you're voting with CatScratch!scum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So it's impossible that CSF is lying about the role?

So House checks CSF.

Maybe House gets NK 'd.

Maybe CSF gets NK'd.

Maybe House gets roleblocked.

If House gets a guilty do you believe him?

If he gets an inno, do you believe him?

If he gets an inno, then CSF will be NK'd and it will all be wasted.

Why are we investing so much into a claim of "backup vig?"

What a pointless exercise, high risk and low reward.

its just, there are 7 hard claimed and hinted at prs and that just seems like alot. Someone is prob lying. Maybe Ythan, maybe House.

Maybe the cat!

CSF is licking herself and purring.

Drops a claim and vanishes.

Much like Ythan.

I can't believe we're buying backup vig.

Oh first 2 quotes I was going to affirm that wake and house had that weird interaction and also there was the potential wake slip I pointed to earlier.

Or we could go back to the whole CSF non-sense of starting and bailing the Wake wagon.

YES!!!!!!

I AM IN LOVE WITH THIS POST

you shut up. You didn't give me a color and im titlted.

[Nero Cain]

I kinda don’t like the assuming three.

See here's the thing. It's the correct thing to do. I'm not going to crucify for you since in my last few games there have been town that have speced on a traitor and under or over estimated the setup numbers. It's dumb as fuck to do so but its nullish.

If you eliminate me, you follow my plan and give Nero a big plate full of motherfucking crow.

then give it to me? Your role is useless and you help with the POE.

So Nero has Xmen style reads because of his pride.

my reads in X-men were good so you are saying that my reads are good? Also like I helped lead town to a d2 scum elimination and am prob right that it's a /5 split, the vts are town and the last scum is in the pr claims.

@Nero: Why are all VT claims confirmed again?

show me a game that's a 6pr/4vt split? The games below us, Mini Normal 2234 and Mini Normal 2236

2234 was a 5/5 town split

and

2236 was a 6vt/4pr split

but both games had weaker scum teams.

So are we saying that this is a 6pr/4vt b/c scum have a rolecop/voyer and a bp ascetic and ???

I mean maybe I'm a bit stuck in my ways but back in the day games were considered balanced when it was majority vt. I mean obviously, it's not going to be a majority ITG but 50% is fairly close and it's obviously been done b4. And yeah, the recent trend is to make games a bit townsided so I guess it's not

impossible

this game has 6 prs b/c of a slightly stronger scumteam. But this is where my thinking is coming from.

[Nero Cain]

maybe Titus (but I TR them quite strongly)

you were scum reading Titus d2, was it just b/c she voted you? What made you town read her? B/c she pushed on CSF a bit.

CSF wagon was stalling out at the end of yesterday and Titus and I strong-armed it through.

lol guy. CSF wagon went away until

I

brought it back up. You and she had very little to do with it. You even attempted to wagon me over her.

[Nero Cain]

naw, I gave a list of actions that I'd perform n1 if I had them. House called it fake. back and forth happened. I asked House who should I vig.

[Nero Cain]

I KIND of think CSF thought I was a vig and they claimed backup vig thinking it was safe to do so. Although CSF being bp makes me sorta think someone besides the mafia have bullets but that could just be a red herring.

[Nero Cain]

Why are there "future nights"? isn't DOTW scum?

[Nero Cain]

he's saying that it was complex and his roleblock was lazy

[Nero Cain]

SSBM, why does Houses role being compulsive make Titus' role town?

[Nero Cain]

rather vote a pr than a vt

[Nero Cain]

you guys do realize that if im right and its a /5 setup then all Titus' plan does is kill confirmed town

[Nero Cain]

SSBM, why does Houses role being compulsive make Titus' role town?

He cant avoid creating further false guilties for the TA because of his Neighborizer

he can? The way I'm reading it is that he has 3 shots that he has to use the first 3 nights. but you are making it sound like he can use those shots over and over again.

[Nero Cain]

gimmie the deets!

[Nero Cain]

I guess you could make the argument that you need Houses' and Titus' investigation power to give town a boost

1x cop
compulsive joat
novice TA
simple jk
neighbor

vs

rolecop/voyuer
bp ascetic
mailmain

i think if this flips town we flip Titus

[Nero Cain]

My problem with Titus is that she was pushing that CSF and Ythan were scum yesterday. Yet was arguing that this wasn't a /5 setup. If we have 7 pr claims and you think that exactly 2 prs are scum what does that give you? A 5/5 split. She's contradicting herself here.

I think they should both check him that way no way can argue they were blocked or some shit.

We aren't wasting invests.

calls an invest on her scum read a waste. An invest on your scum read is never a waste. Now, if she knew/believed that CSF would flip scum and she'd be useless/her claim then saying that "no he'd be the last scum and it would be a waste b/c I'd have no power." but that was poorly communicated.

HATED 4317 first in 4264 she says that her check would be more useful on someone that isn't her next scumread. Someone (House, most likely) will argue that Titus didn't have a useful check after CSF flips but it's the principle behind it. But then the reply

CSF is a wasted check when we should lim CSF.

I'd rather catch the hard to get scum.

My post had

NOTHING

to do with checking CSF. Its word salad.

Oh :/ Derp

Who was your TA check Titus?

Ythan.

Also I low-key felt like this is just scum blatantly admitting to visiting the dead guy.

Yeah, I targeted the guy that was night killed but I didn't kill him. SCOUTS HONOR!

[Nero Cain]

I mean maybe DOTW is the scum so hopefully he just flips red and this can all be over but if not I think ^ needs to die

[Nero Cain]

you think the last scum is a goon thats faking pr but you don't get why we (or at least me) want to vote in the prs?

[Nero Cain]

and a

setup that suggests

(but isn't automatic) that one of the PRs is lying/scum.

I'm intrigued, please tell us more.

[Nero Cain]

The whole idea that the last scum has to be a goon is just tinfoily and out-guessing the mod. But it's somewhat reasonable I guess.

the idea that the goon has to be a vt fakeclaim seems rather ridiculous to me. Why can't a supposed scum goon claim pr?

Well...DOTW is a confirmed mailman. DGB is a confirmed neighbor as well as you. Barring tin foil theories that you no killed then it confirms your jailkeep. If House uses his nieghborize tonight it confirms his role. Titus is the only nonconfirmable role since she had no action n1 and since there's only 1 scum left it makes her claimed role useless.

[Nero Cain]

NOT EVERYONE WHO CLAIMS VT IS GUARANTEED TO BE VANILLA.

If someone is town and fake claiming vt at this point in the game I wouldn't care if we voted them out

[Nero Cain]

this traitor stuff from Math is dumb.

[Nero Cain]

I think Math should always be sitting on me but eh

[Nero Cain]

I think Titus is scummy and I think you are giving her WAYYYYYYYYY more credit than she deserves, neither you nor her were instrumental in flipping CSF yesterday.

if the vts are all vts and it's not DOTW then who is scum?

[Nero Cain]

Math

you think the last scum is a goon thats faking pr but you don't get why we (or at least me) want to vote in the prs?

[Nero Cain]

How dare i explain A50 reasoning when Nero doesn't understand it. So scummy.

a goon is vanilla so even if one of the claimed vts were a goon they'd still be vanilla. My assumption about the setup right now is that everyone that's a claimed vt is vanilla. Whether or not there's a goon hiding out in the vt claims is debatable. I mean MAYYYYYBBBBEEE there's powered scum that said

Much power; better hide in the vts

[Nero Cain]

its a 1:9 right now.

The theory is that scum is in one of DOTW, SSBM, Andre, or Kerst.

but if we eliminate in those 4 and there's not scum there then it means scum have to be in

DrippingGoofball
House
MathBlade
Titus

[Nero Cain]

What do we learn if/when I'm nked over you?

[Nero Cain]

Why did you stop suspecting DOTW, House? Are you in the "the last scum is a goon" camp?

[Nero Cain]

Math is the one that's arguing that the last scum has to be a vt. It's a fairly reasonable argument but that's not my opinion. DGB and Titus could be powerless goons. And Math if n1 no kill gambit.

[Nero Cain]

Jesus math. Stop pushing that there are 4 scum in a mini. Its dumb.

Also, a50 got dotw msg last night

[Nero Cain]

Why is Math angry?

[Nero Cain]

I know

its...GAH!

[Nero Cain]

so rude to not let scum know your plans

[Nero Cain]

There really isn't much of a wagon and I haven't seen anyone give much of a reason why I'm scum. Titus has been riding a scumread on me since I made a joke they didn't like in RVS and hasn't engaged with any of my posts until now

You could like scumhunt? We are sort of at an impasse here. I think its likely Titus but I could sorta see where scum is given a role that would be undetectable to her.

[Nero Cain]

but why DBG over DOTW?

DGB was also all over CSF yesterday. You could maybe make the argument that DGB is scum and therefore knew CSF was scum. I think DGB is right that DOTW posting since getting off of v/la has been lackluster.

VOTE: dotw

I think id this doesn't end the game then scum is prob you or Titus.

[Nero Cain]

but so does DOTW

[Nero Cain]

maybe it's just b/c it's late but that doesn't seem like it does anything? idk

[Nero Cain]

but you are town reading him for it?

[Nero Cain]

Are you just flattered that he asked you? So he's kinda buddying you?

[Nero Cain]

Well then, I'm back to my theory that the scum stayed off the CSF wagon.

I thought this too but what if the reason that CSF got off the Wake wagon is b/c there was already scum there and they didn't want to bunch up?

[Nero Cain]

kerset/dotw/house/titus is prob a good POE

[Nero Cain]

I wouldn't mind kicking House off the island

[Nero Cain]

I have been told several times the wagons I wanted are all dumb (

House

,Kerset,DGB) and told I was an idiot.

you wanted House and now that House is getting ran up you are against it?

Also, you were the one that was screaming that CSF was town yesterday so ummm...

[Nero Cain]

but why does a goon HAVE to be a vt claim? We can't really verify Houses claim, the only thing would be is if he used the neighborize tonight. We also can't verify Titus' claim.

[Nero Cain]

y not?

[Nero Cain]

the House

*removes sunglasses*

doesn't always win

VOTE: house

[Nero Cain]

I'm gonna be honest, playing with the combination of you, Titus, and Math has been a really unpleasant experience

I think Titus has been mostly ok. House is toxic and Math isn't as bad but less so than Titus

[Nero Cain]

someone hammer

[Nero Cain]

the House

*removes sunglasses*

doesn't always win

VOTE: house

This would have been a good hammer

i know but I Math said he'd hammer and House might of quick hammered himself b4 i got it in

[Nero Cain]

hamma hamma hamma!

[Nero Cain]

stop hesitating!

[Nero Cain]

I'm still here. Maybe a 1v1 between Titus and dotw is the right play today

[Nero Cain]

I just cringe when I read math

[Nero Cain]

I'm vee tee

[Nero Cain]

its prob just kerset and if not one of DOTW/Titus

VOTE: kerset

[Nero Cain]

hamma hamma hamma

[Nero Cain]

its prob just kerset and if not one of DOTW/Titus

VOTE: kerset

*sign* do you even put any effort to think here?

naw

[Nero Cain]

he's town b/c? "there's no reason to scumread him"

that's a poor reason I think.

FMPOV that's just as bad as town reading Math b/c "my eyes glaze over"

You just have felt informed about this game.

[Nero Cain]

My reasoning for thinking that he could be scum is. A.) meta while I was doing a dive on someone else I ran across a game that had a town Kerset in it that was way more proactive than this game B.) He and CSF cross-voting each other was early distancing?

[Nero Cain]

I'm skeptical b/c I've played with you enough that I've never seen you be this accurate b4.

[Nero Cain]

not that I think you really played a huge role in getting either Wake or CSF dead

like I thought House was pretty sccummy for

LYING

about your contributions but it turns out he was just hitting on you or something.

[Nero Cain]

mathblade isn't a crutch, stop using him as one.

[Nero Cain]

i mean, both Kerset and DOTW have been sitting in my poe so...FMPOV either one of you is right or I'm right and you are the last scum

[Nero Cain]

So what DGB hard busses CSF yesterday? Why is that a towntell for Kerset but not DGB?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, A50 was more or less confirmed town. Killing him makes some sense regardless of vt/pr

[Nero Cain]

not that I think you really played a huge role in getting either Wake or CSF dead

like I thought House was pretty sccummy for

LYING

about your contributions but it turns out he was just hitting on you or something.

Or he's right...

naw

you randomly voted CSF b/c you were town reading all the actives and then very very lightly pushed there then abandoned her for Wake. And you don't push Wake that hard either.

d2 you pushed CSF a lil' harder but towards EOD you spent a large amount of time trying to wagon not CSF and eventually tunneled the cop claim.

House lied for whatever reason.

Like I could just easily see this as distancing.

[Nero Cain]

then he has a very warped sense of reality

[Nero Cain]

What were you doing?

I was voting CSF while he was off playing white knight and tunneling the claimed cop.

[Nero Cain]

Stop misgendering me, I'm not a bowel movement

[Nero Cain]

I do think, if I am wrong on DotW/DGB being in the pool, you would be the target for thread health and to "confirm" the VTs.

Here's my thing, it was YOUR plan for math to confirm all the vets. It made me p suspicious of you because scum you could just sit back and snipe all the confirmed vts while we did whatever.

[Nero Cain]

@Nero or I guess anyone else who agrees with the 5 VT setup spec - what about 5 VTs makes so much sense in the case of this game? Is 5 PRs and 5 VTs for town just super common and balanced? Or is there something about this game that makes that amount more likely?

I could still use an answer for this. Came back to the people arguing 5 VTs already having hammered Kerset so it obviously wasn't written in stone but I want to understand the setup spec assumption

But I'm town so you know it's not from informed scum. Also we know it's /5 at this point so why does it matter?

[Nero Cain]

Like Math makes 0 fucking sense in this game and when he was scum he mostly made sense so like... if he's scum here it's good beats and I'll learn for next time but I just dont think so.

I mean, if math was scum I feel like his arguments that we shouldn't vote csf, the last scum is a goon (knows they are a goon) and wanting to vote in the vt claims (all town) makes sense from a scum pov

[Nero Cain]

Nero, are you going to vote me out if I live until ELO? If so, vote me now.

I might but don't rush me. My big hang up is that you were pushing dotw as the last scum but at the same time you were acting like it wasn't a /5 split and it felt like you were just scum keeping your options open. I dunno if I can forgive such a dumb contradict

[Nero Cain]

My biggest issue with dotw is the the list thing is kinda dumb and a Lil lamist. Something had bothered me yesterday but I'll have to look it up later

[Nero Cain]

Titus, if the reason that I'm alive is to eliminate you then why doesn't that apply to dotw as well since I've been pushing both of you?

[Nero Cain]

The only slight thing is that you or him would control the nk and you could intentionally not kill me so you can make that argument. I mean sure it's possible but if we are going to say that then I think it points to math

[Nero Cain]

Kyo can't be scum bc she was blocked last night and there was still a kill?

[Nero Cain]

I just feel like Titus probably made up her role after I said I have reason to believe a TA exists. If she didn't and is town though, my guess is the neighbors are her false guilties and the Mailman is her true scum guilty who has an alibi via his role.

This is also a reason I suspect titus

[Nero Cain]

Titus, if the reason that I'm alive is to eliminate you then why doesn't that apply to dotw as well since I've been pushing both of you?

I don't really recall you doing that? Like you had DGB and DotW in your pool for days but it never felt to me like you pushed them. Maybe that's just egocentric on my part.

I've never really pushed dgb beyond d1 and I've been pushing that scum was you/dotw. Get your facts right at least.

[Nero Cain]

I am not sure why I am still alive. According to Titus it's so I can vote her and it's not impossible but then I feel like if we apply that to Titus I also need to apply that to dotw. I mean maybe he doesn't kill me bc he thinks I always vote Titus today an he can just kill me tomorrow

[Nero Cain]

If it's not Titus or dotw it's you,math

[Nero Cain]

Andre is also a "null" kill. And I think that points to you or titus

[Nero Cain]

Part of me just wants to vote the Titus siblings but then there's dotw. Dgb prob wins this as scum

[Nero Cain]

A little of A a little of B. Kinda odd that you are asking if I'm scum reading Titus and DOTW when I've been pushing for both the last 2 days. lol

If DOTW is scum and killed dre over me then it's just a good play on his part but its makes me feel like someone that has a little more experience would do that ergo you and Titus.

You especially.

The last time I caught scum Titus I was night killed and my death was used against her. IMM it's not impossible that a potential scum Titus might think twice about night killing me.

I feel like the last scum is between you, Titus and DOTW. Assuming that I'm correct and a wagon on Titus or DOTW flips town then I or whoever is still alive has a 50/50 chance of correctly voting scum but by voting outside of you 3 it gives you a better chance to hide.

In hindsight, I should have just stuck with my gut that this was a /5 split and not eliminated Kerset and spent yesterday, today, and tomorrow voting for you 3.

[Nero Cain]

I kill Titus for the free DoTW miselim. Then I make it you me Kyo and kill DGB on MELO.

if Titus is town why would scum ever kill her when me and kyo and you (at least you were scumreading her yesterday but maybe not anymore) scum need 2 miseliminations to win. If you were there's no way you kill Titus and not let me run wild on Titus and DOTW.

this post is bullshit

[Nero Cain]

I’d love to just elim her, confirm there is just one scum and die a happy man.

So that's what you want? to kill kyo today and get flipped if she flips town? I could get down with that.

[Nero Cain]

thats dumb

[Nero Cain]

I'd vote you over kyo. All of you, DBG, Titus and DOTW are scummy to me but only one of you is scum. If I had played better we should have just voted Titus or DOTW yesterday.

I can't really rule out DGB and there's a possibility that DGB was blocked but then I feel like a no kill to set up your claim or scum tried to kill a fitty is what occams says.

[Nero Cain]

So between you, titus and dotw the last scum resides, imho.

[Nero Cain]

unless DGB is scum I wish House had not blocked and just used his invest n1 like he should have.

[Nero Cain]

I townread kyo b/c you scum read her.

It worked for CSF so your biggest town read is prob scum.

[Nero Cain]

what is this dotw logic?

[Nero Cain]

The number/list thing? Yeah it's dumb and I'm ignoring it.

Also strange jump from "scum is a goon" to "scum has a pr"

[Nero Cain]

is anyone else playing?

[Nero Cain]

anyone?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: DOTW

[Nero Cain]

yea you did p good. Still don't think that you were as influential as yourself and House think you were but eh, still a pretty good job.

[Nero Cain]

good job Dre