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[Titus]

if he had a choice between a pr buddy and a goon buddy

Can you give me feedback on my PoE?

[Titus]

Still voting the cop lol

Yes. You're still lying. You're still in my PoE and you still have a wagon.

Get your crow fork ready.

If you're real, I am shoving that crow on Dwlee99's plate.

[Titus]

Still voting the cop lol

Yes. You're still lying. You're still in my PoE and you still have a wagon.

Also the wagon is you and three players who aren't here and are likely to have the sense to move when they get back. So what are you doing?

If they move, I argue for someone else in my PoE. That's just reality. Until then, I'm keeping my vote where it is. People know where I will vote and where I won't.

This day has long since been over for me.

[Titus]

I think wake's response to House asking for a read on the last 50 posts of House's is faked.

Seems a little "get off my back" rather than an actual feeling Wake had.

As I said before just reading his last 50 posts leaves out a lot of context. That's sloppy.

I'm still catching up, so just ISO'ing a player's posts leaves an incomplete picture of everything that was actually being said.

Kyo seems town because Wake invested effort here.

Pedit: I have had one wrong read in Wake.

Most of my time was spent surviving and just trying not to have people be antitown people and open my crumbs every where. So I was angry and not thinking clearly. My read was wrong but I helped secure the elim.

You're still angry and not thinking clearly.

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You’ll also notice I focused on eliminating toxicity as scum. It’s actually hard for me to subtly manipulate people as scum if games are toxic. I hate toxicity as both alignments.

You literally are the source of the toxicity.
You're trying to dictate what House and I do, while letting Ythan skate.
You're dictating which wagons that are full of town don't go through by shouting them down.

You're the literal problem.

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No. You can not agree with me and not have 500000 posts saying House and I are scum for not bowing to you.

You can understand that town people can have differences of opinion.

That is why Kerset and House are town. Until you get that, you'll keep having shitty games as town.

[Titus]

It's better posting, from Andres. I will admit that.

[Titus]

Oh first 2 quotes I was going to affirm that wake and house had that weird interaction and also there was the potential wake slip I pointed to earlier.

Or we could go back to the whole CSF non-sense of starting and bailing the Wake wagon.

[Titus]

No. You can not agree with me and not have 500000 posts saying House and I are scum for not bowing to you.

You can understand that town people can have differences of opinion.

That is why Kerset and House are town. Until you get that, you'll keep having shitty games as town.

I disagree with Andres and don’t find him scum?

I don’t see the difference other than you post more and demand people do what you want.

And I resist that.

You aren't telling Andres what to do because you literally can't.
Andres is also fine with all the lims you want, me house kerset soooo

[Titus]

Good luck figuring that out. I play different and wild all the time.

In general that makes it more difficult to Scumread you, but also Townread you.

Not a huge fan of Wakes's entrance. Like this is just saying something to say nothing

DotW, Kyouko, and Ythan are Town. I don’t know I’m that confident in these reads, I’ve had some weak spots, but I like those slots for Town almost always.

Since Ythan has supposedly checked Nero Cain, let’s assume Nero is Town. I’m going to have to re-read A50 just to make sure it’s not a well executed bus, but it just didn’t seem like it to me at the time. And I’ll take a leap and say DGB and CSF are Town for now (DGB I have explained in part, but I’m not seeing it, and CSF is an educated guess). That leaves… {Titus, Kerset, Mathblade, House} as my POE.

SMH

And then Andres posts something like this.

Leap to say CSF is town...
Unexplained DotW and Kyoko reads...

Gets to a PoE of 100% town.
Plays to Math v House hostility
Hopes I turn on Math
Plays to a Kerset lim.

Math...

[Titus]

No. You can not agree with me and not have 500000 posts saying House and I are scum for not bowing to you.

You can understand that town people can have differences of opinion.

That is why Kerset and House are town. Until you get that, you'll keep having shitty games as town.

I disagree with Andres and don’t find him scum?

I don’t see the difference other than you post more and demand people do what you want.

And I resist that.

You aren't telling Andres what to do because you literally can't.
Andres is also fine with all the lims you want, me house kerset soooo

Then what about Nero?

I could go down every player here.

You can't tell Nero what to do either because Nero hasn't claimed.

Big shocker. You can only tell people what to do if their roles are in the open.

[Titus]

Fuck it.

We're massclaiming because I fucking hate this game now.

Novice Traffic Analyst. Ignuanas were my crumbs. If they leapt terribly, someone had a PT.

[Titus]

All the town are drown out and tilted so we just lose.

Thanks Math.

Avoid me for the next 2 to 3 months in games.

[Titus]

Fuck it.

We're massclaiming because I fucking hate this game now.

Novice Traffic Analyst. Ignuanas were my crumbs. If they leapt terribly, someone had a PT.

Novice part I buy.

I thought Kyo was the TA.

Iguanas don’t really make sense as a Traffic analyst. I don’t see the connection.

Green Unicorn Ignuanas Lept Terribly Yesterday. (Hence why they can't be lizards)

Also they leap at cell phones.

[Titus]

Fuck it.

We're massclaiming because I fucking hate this game now.

Novice Traffic Analyst. Ignuanas were my crumbs. If they leapt terribly, someone had a PT.

If you're claiming I have a PT then I'm just gonna hang you lol.

VOTE: Titus

Thinks I claimed a guilty on him Day 2 as a Novice.

Guilty conscience much.

[Titus]

So Math, when I told you further argument was pointless on the traffic analyst and you made me go through with it anyway, it was fucking annoying as hell that you could not take a hint even though you thought the TA was so obvious.

You couldn't see my objection to Kyoko outing the TA was because Kyoko was outing MY role. Outing MY crumbs. And he was doing it to support your theories to eliminate my townreads.

We need to actually eliminate scum here.

[Titus]

Fuck it.

We're massclaiming because I fucking hate this game now.

Novice Traffic Analyst. Ignuanas were my crumbs. If they leapt terribly, someone had a PT.

How are iguanas a crumb for TA?

Alone they aren't.

They were Green Unicorn Iguanas... then I talk about them leaping.

I planned on crumbing my results using the initials.

[Titus]

The igunanas are leaping terribly. At least I think they are.

I was thinking about this post which seemed to be in response to me.

Yes. It was me calling bullshit on your cop claim because I'm a TA.

[Titus]

So Math, when I told you further argument was pointless on the traffic analyst and you made me go through with it anyway, it was fucking annoying as hell that you could not take a hint even though you thought the TA was so obvious.

You couldn't see my objection to Kyoko outing the TA was because Kyoko was outing MY role. Outing MY crumbs. And he was doing it to support your theories to eliminate my townreads.

We need to actually eliminate scum here.

I thought Kyo had crumbed TA and was suggesting she was checking A50 and you were rebelling against it.

I was rebelling against it because you were telling me to do something beyond stupid. Checking someone who is town in nearly every universe. Protected and helped nail Wake.

[Titus]

Like House, I don't like to be told what to do unless it's auto.

Can you just maybe admit you have this game on backwards Math?

[Titus]

So Math, when I told you further argument was pointless on the traffic analyst and you made me go through with it anyway, it was fucking annoying as hell that you could not take a hint even though you thought the TA was so obvious.

You couldn't see my objection to Kyoko outing the TA was because Kyoko was outing MY role. Outing MY crumbs. And he was doing it to support your theories to eliminate my townreads.

We need to actually eliminate scum here.

I thought Kyo had crumbed TA and was suggesting she was checking A50 and you were rebelling against it.

I was rebelling against it because you were telling me to do something beyond stupid. Checking someone who is town in nearly every universe. Protected and helped nail Wake.

Except you’re the only one who townreads House Titus (assuming you’re town) read the room.

That doesn't make checking House make any motherfucking sense.

If House neighborizes, his neighbor will know it and out him. He'll also come back as having a PT by the time my investigate processes.
If he neighborizes the dead guy, then he has no rolecop so he's not doing that as scum.
If he uses his role cop and does what you want, then my TA is a waste.

[Titus]

Sorry Titus - for what it’s worth, I believe your claim.

Thanks I guess.

I hate that it had to come to that but someone has to wrestle control of this game away from Math before the game goes into a cliff but we may be too late.

[Titus]

Yeah if that wasn't a results claim I'm gonna

VOTE: unvote

Nope. Novice was crumbed in my first post.

Just got my igunanas in. Unless you think people randomly order iguanas that arrive just at daystart.

[Titus]

I still dont understand what Green Unicorn Iguanas means. What does GUI mean? Like how does that become a crumb. Suppose you checked me, how do you crumb that I cant communicate?

If you were scum...

I was over at Kykuoko's my Green Unicorn Igunanas Lept Terribly Yesterday. What's not your first but initial impression?

[Titus]

Sorry Titus - for what it’s worth, I believe your claim.

Thanks I guess.

I hate that it had to come to that but someone has to wrestle control of this game away from Math before the game goes into a cliff but we may be too late.

I have never had “control” I don’t do “control” as any alignment.
No need for “end of the world” talk. It’s day two ffs and d1 we got scum.

Even if I am the world’s biggest idiot then we get scum every day we still win?

I'd rather have fun and lose.
You've been trying to take control over creating a fun atmosphere. That's pretty evident in how House DGB and I are all reacting.

[Titus]

Hence why I pushed her on two investigatives. Her wording didn’t make sense and I thought Kyo was TA.

And everything you had was based on your wrong assumption. You didn't check your work. You just supposed House and I were scum for not obeying you when we had good reason not to.

I even highlighted Kyoko posting about a TA was oddly specific. If K understood my crumbs and slipped by accident ok, but K's now claiming not to have understood my crumbs.

[Titus]

I actually was fine with House neighborizing me because I could filter my results through House.

[Titus]

Sorry Titus - for what it’s worth, I believe your claim.

Thanks I guess.

I hate that it had to come to that but someone has to wrestle control of this game away from Math before the game goes into a cliff but we may be too late.

I have never had “control” I don’t do “control” as any alignment.
No need for “end of the world” talk. It’s day two ffs and d1 we got scum.

Even if I am the world’s biggest idiot then we get scum every day we still win?

I'd rather have fun and lose.
You've been trying to take control over creating a fun atmosphere. That's pretty evident in how House DGB and I are all reacting.

I would rather have fun and lose too.

Being called dumb/idiot/bad/never want to play with me again/avoid me for a few months is not fun.

Again your pushing a narrative that is not true

You argue stupid shit.
I argue against it.
You repeat it.
I argue against it.
You and House complain never to play with me again.

The problem is the stupid shit. I can’t just agree to stupidity.

Then maybe stop pushing people for disagreeing with you and spamming the thread demotivating town. Admit when you actually lose an argument and compromise.

I've been doing that all damn day. Try to work with town rather than supposing all of the people who disagree are scum. Even if a wagon has "all of your PoE" that means SOMEONE on it is town so the argument isn't completely scumdriven.

The wagons are partially just to get people working together on a wagon. Wake was a compromise read from a lot of people.

So we compromise again and get good results. There's 5 or 6 names to pick from Math.

[Titus]

Okay Titus so basically, you’ve narrowed the game so that Math is wrong, and the solution here is {Ythan, Kyouko} yeah?

Ythan
Kykoko
Dragon
CSF

I'm taking you out for now because your posts have been better.

[Titus]

I'd hammer Kerset just to end this god forsaken day but Kerset is town.

[Titus]

I actually was fine with House neighborizing me because I could filter my results through House.

And I was not and am not because then we lose the ability to check CSF.

If House is town he will be alive tomorrow more than likely due to other PR claims.

Rolecopping CSF takes precedence.

From my POV you’re giving scum House a get out of jail free card. Two rolecops is a pretty sketchy claim now three invests?

We don't need to check CSF. We accept their town or we lim them.

Rolecopping a slot that's consistently townread is pointless.

Protecting the TA would have been oodles better.

2 rolecops on one scumteam is not going to happen. If House is scum, he's not a rolecop at all.
I don't buy Ythan as town, obviously.

[Titus]

I think I am back in ignore Titus mode tbh.

I have been doing as she asks and when I don’t agree with her she decides to try to knock me down a few pegs.

I am trying to make iguanas fit in a crumb sized whole and it’s hard when she doesn’t explain what she’d do with an inno result.

Like I feel like I am trying here and just get kicked when Titus demands an apology and I am not even townreading her.

You could ask me to repeat myself.

I'd say that I went over and someone took excellent care of my iguanas.

You haven't done anything I've asked. You've kicked and screamed at any attempt to work together. You basically had a mound of wrong assumptions and you were using those to try and force people to do what you wanted.

My crumbs were never targeted at you because you can't read crumbs. Crumbs are meant to be looked at in hindsight.

[Titus]

I think he’s a scum roleblocker

Not with how he opened yesterday.

The only way House could work as a scum roleblocker is if DGB was scum.

[Titus]

I think he’s a scum roleblocker

Not with how he opened yesterday.

The only way House could work as a scum roleblocker is if DGB was scum.

Oh no! What was and is one of my theories?

Yes, that bullshit again. DGB is not scum. Nor is House.

Pedit: Answered. Look at someone taking excellent care of my iguanas.

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Yes. I call a theory bullshit because it's bullshit. You should be able to take a step back and realize that you're trying to force a supposition that doesn't exist. Scum roleblocker House doesn't come in and draw a bunch of attention on himself claiming a guilty on his partner with his team already in a desperate position. That forces him to survive all the way to ELO without being caught by any investigatives that might exist. No one could have determined that I was a traffic analyst at the time of my crumb because I hadn't even mentioned my iguanas yet.

House CCing you doesn't make sense from a scum perspective.

House just isn't scum.

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Vote Count 1.30

Andresvmb (4)

- Kerset, House, DrippingGoofball, Wake88

Wake88 (3)

- Titus, Almost50, MathBlade

House (3)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, ssbm_Kyouko

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Kerset (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (0)

:

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

One of {Mathblade/Me} has to die today.

Math is a scum jailkeeper.

I'm a town roleblocker & Rolecop.

Mod is fucking with us by switching typical roles between town & scum.

I don't even care if you lim me first. When i flip exactly as i say, turbolim Math.

Vote Count 1.31

House (4)

- Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade, Nero Cain

Andresvmb (3)

- Kerset, DrippingGoofball, Wake88

Wake88 (2)

- Titus, Almost50

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Catch Scratch Fever (1)

- House

Not voting (1)

: Cat Scratch Fever

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

This vote count spans many pages so there is a higher likelihood of a mistake. Please check that the vote count correctly states who you are voting.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

[Titus]

House didn't need to save Wake as Andres was the leading wagon when he CCed you.

You're not actually listening. You're just trying to throw something out there to argue House has some theoretical viability as scum, even if it doesn't match with the facts because you want disagreement with you to be a scumtell.

[Titus]

I'm not even arguing House is bad at all. I don't disagree with any of his positions so far. I would have played it differently (obviously) but he's not bad at all. So no I am not arguing TBTBW.

[Titus]

Good night Math. Maybe with some sleep you can actually reset your reads with new information.

Then maybe we can actually discuss Kerset. If you're unwilling to actually reset, then I have little hope for a fruitful discussion with you on Kerset.

[Titus]

Why did you claim, Titus?

Because I was epically frustrated with Math's incorrect spam and trying to dictate the game. He still won't reset despite being proven wrong on who the TA was. Every reason aside from I don't like House's response to clam um in response to my badgering has been proven wrong. He still spams House is scum.

I basically wanted out in that moment because I knew I was dealing with Civilization Math. We are going to run up Kerset now because he disagreed with Math.

[Titus]

I just don’t get why town!House would say if I flip never going after Titus though. That makes no sense.

Let me clear that up for you...

I'm never going after Titus regardless of whether you flip or not.

H2H

House has a pretty accurate record of reading me and has tells which he refuses to give up. He is currently the only person I feel has an accurate record of reading me.

[Titus]

VOTE: CSF

[Titus]

VOTE: unvote[/unvote]

[Titus]

VOTE: ssbm

[Titus]

So Dragon is the miller to the TA.
House has the ability to create a miller and millerize himself.p
Math and DGB cannot be investigated.

If there is a cop, we have to divide and conquer this list. An ungated cop is shit here but at least we can get a House town out of it.

[Titus]

VOTE: ssbm

I think SSBM is a bad vote.

Her thinking a TA exists makes sense with DoTW’s claim.

Ok. We don't have any overlap in our elimination desires. So yeah.

If Kerset and House are town, who is scum?

[Titus]

If you say DGB, who is scum among the people I can actually check?

[Titus]

Ssbm and Andres don't. CSF has no verifiableness to him either. I don't have Andres in my pool but still.

[Titus]

If you say DGB, who is scum among the people I can actually check?

I kinda wanna say you should check Kyo. I think she’s town but she makes a good check since she shouldn’t be able to communicate.

She's a decent choice. Also Ythan is too.

[Titus]

Can we stop treating Math like a prince

ss

, which needs to be satisfied just be cause he spams the thread?

This.

Kerset, who are we voting?
Who would you like me to check?

[Titus]

The claim i believe the least is the cop claim.

Or we can elim in possible vanillas and sort shit out tomorrow.

You are aware that your decisions likely lead us to a miselimination, my death, and Ythan claiming roleblock so we miseliminate House, and then another town dies right?

[Titus]

VOTE: Ythan

[Titus]

The claim i believe the least is the cop claim.

Or we can elim in possible vanillas and sort shit out tomorrow.

You are aware that your decisions likely lead us to a miselimination, my death, and Ythan claiming roleblock so we miseliminate House, and then another town dies right?

I don’t think that happens. And assuming it did, I think we can like a billion conf row. That scum can’t shoot their way out of. Ythan like a good cop should be crumbing their target if they can.

It’s more likely Ythan gets shot here than you if he’s town. You’re letting your belief he’s scum (if you’re town) go down worst case scenarios.

Why would scum ever shoot Ythan if he's town given all the suspicion?

[Titus]

Smh, and why does a backup vig have to exist?

[Titus]

Don't say it's investigatable. Any role can be.

[Titus]

@Math, How do you expect we get these confirms when all our real invests are weak and Ythan will lie?

Odds are that I get an innocent if I survive (which I won't). House isn't giving a result thanks to you. Ythan will lie.

How is this game solved through comps or waiting?

[Titus]

Ythan is not going to give a result, regardless of his alignment Math.

Given House's claim which deactivates at 1 scum remaining and my claim which deactivates at 1 scum remaining, scum likely don't have a roleblocker.

[Titus]

House, is there any chance you could investigate Ythan? For me.

[Titus]

House did or so it says.

Also, last scum cannot speak in a PT.

[Titus]

A50 for your benefit so you don't have to read

Ythan claimed cop
I am novice TA
Dragon claimed mailman.

[Titus]

A50 or Kerset claim anything? That's just poe but it's very narrow at this point.

A50 claimed VT and likely saved from the nightkill by me unless DGB is scum.
Kerset jokingly said if they claimed Neo they’d not be in the PoE but I don’t think they seriously claimed anything.

That explains the Kerset votes. Thank you.

who cares that i said that after being voted, logic is for boring nerds

A50 could be scum but I am not considering that possibility unless we get near elo.

[Titus]

Well that's a step in the right direction.

[Titus]

I wouldn't as it would just result in my death and us getting nowhere. It's not a good idea to no elim before melo but it's better than limming Kerset.

[Titus]

VOTE: CSF

Now that I am able to, I townread DGB so hard because of Lemon Demon.

[Titus]

I just don’t want to elim where there’s leashes.

Anyone can be leashed to anyone. That's not a reason to save any slot in particular.

[Titus]

Math isn't scum. As much as Math irritates me, I'd eliminate House before Math.

[Titus]

No Math, always heal the conftown. If they shoot the VT pairing, that gives us information and keeps A50 alive.

There is a chance I could be wrong on House. I just don't think the level of pissed off at Mathblade for trying to control him comes from scum.

[Titus]

how can...

I mean...

do you...

OH MITH!

I strongly believe that it's an even 5 town split. If I'm rght that means 2 of the pr claims are lying. Whether or not it CSF/Titus or House/Titus or Titus/DOTW or even Titus/Ythan I'm not 100% sure. Killing someone that maybe have fake claimed backup vig b/c they thought I was claiming vig is a good elimination FMPOV.

This is very dumb that you have me in every single fake claim setup and Ythan in only one and that's with me. Ythan's claim is transparently the one that sticks out in this setup and I crumbed my TA before any of the other roles were known and hinted at it before even my crumbs. I couldn't have just faked being a TA.

[Titus]

you also aren't disagreeing with my premise as you think scum are CSF/Ythan

I disagreed with all of your premises. No one needs to say I'm not scum in every post after every allegation.

As for a CSF elimination, I think he's fake claiming because of Math's prior vig obsession. Whatever you believe that gets the job done. We'll then cross the bridge when we get there after that.

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House, is there any chance you could investigate Ythan? For me.

Yes.

While I'm at it, I'm dropping my ruse.

I'm not angry at Math. Not even a little bit. I was tossing out theater to make scum want to keep me around (chaotic game state = +scum).

Now, with a cop claim, however, if I die tonight, Ythan is confirmed scum and I'm fine with that trade.

Yes! A check on Ythan is amazing. Hugs!

Now I can save mine for someone more useful!

[Titus]

Also, don't do that ruse ever again.

[Titus]

House, is there any chance you could investigate Ythan? For me.

Yes.

While I'm at it, I'm dropping my ruse.

I'm not angry at Math. Not even a little bit. I was tossing out theater to make scum want to keep me around (chaotic game state = +scum).

Now, with a cop claim, however, if I die tonight, Ythan is confirmed scum and I'm fine with that trade.

I think this is a terrible invest then.

Ythan if scum can be checked by Titus if she’s so invested.

CSF on the other hand is the one player you get a 100% lock guilty on House.

I am pretty disappointed here

I thought you were genuinely mad at me

If Ythan comes back anything other than Cop, he's guilty so why is that a horrible invest?

House can investigate any claimed role.

[Titus]

Let's just check Ythan and yeet CSF.

Your vote would be appreciated House.

[Titus]

I disagreed with all of your premises.

yet you are sheeping me. My argument is that all the vts are town and both scum are fakeclaiming prs. You are saying that CSF andYthan are both fakeclaiming scum thus you are arguing the same as me.

I agree they are fake claiming. I don't necessarily buy 5/5. I feel it's most likely based on play.

[Titus]

I've scumread CSF long before you and was a primary driver of CSF being wagoned in the first place.

[Titus]

I think they should both check him that way no way can argue they were blocked or some shit.

We aren't wasting invests.

[Titus]

how can you think that scum are both CSF and Ythan yet not think is 5/5? Its almost like you know you are wrong.

I am reading by play, not setup spec. Sure my reads happen to fit 5/5 but that doesn't mean the setup is 5/5.

[Titus]

I think they should both check him that way no way can argue they were blocked or some shit.

We aren't wasting invests.

Plus I think CSF is town so if House disagrees good invest for house.

Based on?

There is no vig for him to backup anymore.

[Titus]

I think they should both check him that way no way can argue they were blocked or some shit.

We aren't wasting invests.

Plus I think CSF is town so if House disagrees good invest for house.

Based on?

There is no vig for him to backup anymore.

Gut vibes and claiming something that a regular cop and a TA could guilty him on.

At that point TA was suspected to exist.

I don’t think CSF does a backup vig claim just to not have a claim prepped for Ythan which means if Ythan scum telling the truth or town. So Ythan could be forced to check CSF (suboptimal) and then be in shit without a paddle.

So one of CSF/Ythan has to be town if not both.

I think the claim/plan from CSF is so bad it’s good. Especially if House is scum.

This makes no literal sense whatsoever.

No one else can have a claim prepared for a cop and the TA. They're all taken.

That doesn't mean one of CSF or Ythan must be town.

[Titus]

Now I can save mine for someone more useful!

Also thought this was pretty weird. You think scum are CSF and Ythan and were are about to vote out CSF leaving 1 last scum yet your check on him is "not useful" I call bullshit. If you think he's the last scum left (assuming CSF flips scum) then he's the guy you want to check. Even if CSF didn't flip scum he's still your scum read and a worthwhile check FYPOV.

CSF is a wasted check when we should lim CSF.

I'd rather catch the hard to get scum.

[Titus]

You know the scum if I am wrong. If I'm right, I'm useless anyway.

[Titus]

You’re misunderstanding my point.

If CSF and Ythan are scum together they would have talked about both their fake claims.

So one of them is town if not both for that reason.

So they talked and reached that conclusion.

[Titus]

inb4 Titus is planning on killing Ythan but doesn't want to "investigate" there so she won't have to fight off paranoia that "OMG U VISITED A GUY THAT DIED!"

I would have been investigating Ythan if House hadn't agreed to do that. I said so publicly.

[Titus]

*facepalm*

[Titus]

I have a novel that needs writing. Dreading the editing process already but hopefully I can crank out the first draft by the end of October.

[Titus]

So they both talked with each other when CSF was ran up and decided on horrible fake claims?

C’mon that’s horse shit

If they're horrible claims, why do you want to protect them other than to oppose me?

[Titus]

Both Math and House have to go back into the sort bin.

Math for saying there must be a vig. Too many Calculasia flashbacks.
House for mentioning ascetic specifically.

Nero is confirmed town with Ythan's flip.

[Titus]

Math also campaigned a little too hard for that check on CSF.

[Titus]

I still don't think Math is scum but I'm not going to stand in the way of his elimination. Too many little things don't add up.

[Titus]

DGB, from your perspective, Math must be town.

Otherwise, you being blocked was the reason the kill failed n1.

[Titus]

I think it is most likely that scum were propping up Math fwiw.

[Titus]

I really don't think math does that. Plus Math is the only protective and he'd have zero way of knowing. I still think Math is town but reasonable minds can disagree so if we lim there we do

[Titus]

What do you think of House mentioning Ascetic yesterday Nero?

Also, you just have your reality straight up wrong for what happened yesterday Nero.

[Titus]

What do you think of House mentioning Ascetic yesterday Nero?

Also, you just have your reality straight up wrong for what happened yesterday Nero.

I think it's possible that he knew what she'd flip but it's not unreasonable that he could have thought ascetic for being asked to cop her. He's in the POE pool anyways.

What about my reality is straight-up wrong?

I was the biggest reason CSF was wagoned initially. I stayed on that wagon until it got vetoed and came back when people said it could be a thing.

[Titus]

Vote Count 2.03

Kerset (2)

- MathBlade, House

DrippingGoofball (1)

- DrippingGoofball

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Titus

Not voting (7)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain, Cat Scratch Fever, Andresvmb, Almost50

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.10

Cat Scratch Fever (3)

- DrippingGoofball, Titus, House

Kerset (2)

- Andresvmb, MathBlade

DrippingGoofball (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Ythan (1)

- Almost50

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Cat Scratch Fever was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-27 08:19:12) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.11

Cat Scratch Fever (E-2)

- DrippingGoofball, Titus, House, Almost50, MathBlade

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

DrippingGoofball (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Cat Scratch Fever was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-27 08:19:12) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.13

Cat Scratch Fever (3)

- DrippingGoofball, Titus, House

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

MathBlade (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, Kerset, Nero Cain, Almost50

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October. Ythan was previously prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-28 07:50:24) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.14

Ythan (4)

- Almost50, House, Titus, Kerset

DrippingGoofball (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- DrippingGoofball

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

MathBlade (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (2)

: Ythan, Nero Cain

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

[Titus]

Why is it that ppl are acting like a50 makes 0 sense as the n1 kill? to me, that's just the simplest solution and explains the no kill. So kinda makes Math's role look real? ofc, there's the tin foil that Math no killed so he looks real but he's in the POE anyways so eh...

I've always thought a50 was the n1 kill. It's possible that's wrong but really unlikely.

[Titus]

Besides, A50 should be conftown anyway. We can use Math to create 1 conftown per night. If scum no kill, we can just have him jail the same VT again.

[Titus]

I think it is most likely that scum were propping up Math fwiw.

Was anyone propping him up?

Kyouko comes to mind, but I don't want to get too far into things before Math's clear is on the table.

[Titus]

So Kerset, Andresvmb is indulging MathBlade. Let's eliminate him.

who is he scum with?

Guess CSF.

No clue. Lack of interactions in his ISO. My townpool is stronger.

Spoiler: Vote counts

Vote Count 1.23

Dragon of the West (3)

- Titus, Almost50, House

Titus (2)

- ssbm_Kyouko, DrippingGoofball

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Ythan (1)

- Andresvmb

Almost50 (1)

- Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

Wake88 (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

Not voting (1)

: MathBlade

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

House, Titus, and Math are VLA through the 20th of September. Wake is VLA through Sunday. Andresvmb has been prodded and has (expired on 2021-09-20 04:22:32) to post before I begin looking for a replacement.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Vote Count 1.24

Dragon of the West (2)

- Titus, Almost50

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

Almost50 (2)

- Wake88, DrippingGoofball

Wake88 (2)

- Cat Scratch Fever, House

Titus (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Not voting (1)

: MathBlade

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

House, Titus, and Math are VLA through the 20th of September. Wake is VLA through Sunday.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Vote Count 1.25

Wake88 (3)

- Cat Scratch Fever, House, Titus

Almost50 (3)

- Wake88, DrippingGoofball, ssbm_Kyouko

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

Dragon of the West (1)

- Almost50

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Not voting (1)

: MathBlade

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

House, Titus, and Math are VLA through the 20th of September. Wake is VLA through Sunday.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

CSF has choice of a lot of wagons.
Assume CSF is scum.
CSF busses instead of picking one of the many wagons because….?

Simplest answer CSF is town

CSF was absent but when the Wake wagon took off, they start wagon shopping. VCA is actually bad for CSF and I'd go back if A50 was willing.

VOTE: CSF

A50, we can pray for an investigation on Andres. CSF is likely scum too.

@Math, Major rule of 3 violation in Wake88 ISO btw.

CSF was absent but when the Wake wagon took off, they start wagon shopping. VCA is actually bad for CSF and I'd go back if A50 was willing.

On one condition: If CSF flips green then you help me shoot both Kerset & Ythan to the moon. I am almost sure one of CSF/Kerset is Scum and

I am leaning it's Kerset

. I also have a strong feeling Ythan is Scum here. YOU are blocking the wagon on Kerset and Math is blocking the one on Ythan, so between the two of you TOWN has decided to mislim today.

I'd do Ythan, not Kerset.

[Titus]

We can use Math to create 1 conftown per night.

lol, the vts are already conf town.

I mean, I just find it hard to believe that this is a 6/4 town split.

Who is scum, Titus?

I'm working that out. I don't buy the 5/5 split though when all the PRs but Math wanted scum dead and every PR has a nerf. If I did go for a 5/5 split, I'd say House then DGB.

[Titus]

That moment when I realize I forgot Dragon existed.

[Titus]

Titus, if you felt CSF was town as you said near EOD, why were you still on the CSF wagon?

I wasn't 100% sure, the claim was bad, and it was better than eliminating Kerset.

[Titus]

@MathBlade, who did you jail last night?

With one scum (likely), that slot is near conftown.

[Titus]

With the very high likelihood of 3 scum being the answer, we can have Math jail a different VT each night.

There's 10 alive with two clears. Currently.
Math announces a jail on a VT that is NOT Nero or A50.
Suppose we miseliminate, that's 9 alive.
If there's a kill (which is on Math, which I will detail in a minute), then we hit 8 alive with 3 conftown.

Miselim,
6 alive, 2 conftown

Miseliminate,
4 alive one conftown.

If scum don't kill Math but elect to kill anywhere else, they are boned as Math just keeps clearing the VTs.

The proper play is to eliminate in the PR claims, even though I think it is SSBM.

[Titus]

Why should Math not jail me? I'm like the only confirmed town. I mean yes, I do think that all the other vts are also town but I'm publicly confirmed not to be scum.

Because there's one scum alive.

Every conftown they kill, Math replaces with another one.

[Titus]

A50 is also conftown

[Titus]

Scum can either kill Math, capping the conftown at 3.
No kill, ensuring Math just jails the same VT over and over until we elim every other PR, giving us a near Auto.
Kill A50/Nero who just get replaced by another conftown because we all know that player didn't shoot.

[Titus]

I mean, I don't care about dying but I'm the correct keep b/c im cop cleared. If Math is town and too little to do the pro-town thing then that's on him but making sure that the inno stays alive seems like the correct play, no?

Usually yes, but if scum shoot the confclears, Math just replaces them and eventually scum would lose.

[Titus]

Math, I don't trust any of us to read your crumb language and the whole point is so EVERYONE knows who is the clear and it's not up for debate. If DGB was the cop clear, I'd agree with your method.

[Titus]

Oh :/ Derp

Who was your TA check Titus?

Ythan. I figured my TA was useless in 3 scum scenario (most likely), so the only useful thing I could do was conftown Nero even if Ythan was scum which I thought he was.

[Titus]

Oh :/ Derp

Who was your TA check Titus?

Ythan. I figured my TA was useless in 3 scum scenario (most likely), so the only useful thing I could do was conftown Nero even if Ythan was scum which I thought he was.

Why did you check Ythan when House said he was iirc?

I was supposing we would do something hairbrained at would get us a townflip rather than a bad PR claim. Once CSF flipped, my TA because useless barring a 4 scum scenario.

By checking Ythan, I either a) net a scum or b) confirm Nero as town.

Checking Nero and getting scum would have confirmed Ythan, but Ythan was unlikely to inno his scum partner.

Anyone else is lol useless, 3 scum alive.

[Titus]

VOTE: Andres

Can’t shake the feeling I was an idiot before

Let’s see if I was total dumb idiot.

VT votes are strictly suboptimal now. Just jail him.

[Titus]

VOTE: DotW

[Titus]

*Anyone visits www.titusmakeadecision.com*

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If you find this page in error, please note the staff of braincells that makes up a Titus is usually on vacation Saturdays so it may take up to 24 hours to process your request.

Further, due to our processing algorithms, output of a vote suggestion tends to be delayed until after any posting inputs have been received barring executable crashing posts.

[Titus]

VOTE: Andres

Can’t shake the feeling I was an idiot before

Let’s see if I was total dumb idiot.

VT votes are strictly suboptimal now. Just jail him.

Why? VT votes seem correct as last scum being a goon fits.

Because if you jail a VT and a kill occurs, that person is conftown. So you jail the person you're suspicious of.

You can't clear the PRs, so they're better plays.

If scum no kill, we just eliminate PRs until they're stuck with a melo and two clears.

[Titus]

There's not four scum with the amount of nerfs we've had.

Given how much you have been wrong about, can you give me this?

[Titus]

There's not four scum with the amount of nerfs we've had.

Given how much you have been wrong about, can you give me this?

If I did that it would be you as Nero wants you or me.

So you're willing to override Nero when it comes to eliminating VT claims but not PRs, when every PR is shown useless now?

Smh. If you eliminate me, you follow my plan and give Nero a big plate full of motherfucking crow.

He suspects me every game. I'm just not going to kick and scream if you follow my plan because that's near autowin.

[Titus]

So Nero has Xmen style reads because of his pride.
MathBlade wants to go dumb level eliminations and wouldn't even sheep my actions if I flipped town with him being proven wrong at least four times (Wake was scum, I am TA, there is no vig, CSF was scum).
DGB is demotivated and I may just join it.

[Titus]

Because if you jail a VT and a kill occurs, that person is conftown.

Who says? Why can't a VT claim be fake?

Sure it can be. Giving scum a strongman to bypass town's only protective is a load of horseshit though. Roleblocking the protective again is shit. All of the nerfs are designed to prevent follow the cop.

Occam's Razor says that a VT could be lying but they shouldn't be able to bypass Math's block. We should eliminate in the PRs because Math can clear the VTs.

The only PR I haven't strongly TRed at some point in this game is Dragon, hence the dragon vote.

[Titus]

Hey House, how did you cop DGB when you're lazy?

[Titus]

Or we can clear Kerset by jailing him and just win by limming DotW

[Titus]

2 resolutions for the price of one

[Titus]

2 resolutions for the price of one

I do not follow

There are three scum.
Anyone you jail cannot kill. Thus Kerset cleared if you jail him.
DotW flips.

2 resolutions. 1 day.

[Titus]

2 resolutions for the price of one

I do not follow

There are three scum.
Anyone you jail cannot kill. Thus Kerset cleared if you jail him.
DotW flips.

2 resolutions. 1 day.

Same is true of all the people in the game.
So again VTs better. Why are you railing against my/A50/DGB scum in the goons plan?

Because you can't clear the PRs. ...

[Titus]

Plus you want to lim my TR who was a counter to scum yesterday...

[Titus]

or we could just end the game by voting out Titus.

I mean, you're expecting us to believe scum!Titus bussed not just once, but twice... back to back... the FIRST TWO DAYS of the game...

If that doesn't buy some good will, you're beyond reason.

To be fair, I did distance in Lemon Demon but those two were dead to rights.

[Titus]

Fun fact: Titus also wanted DotW on d1.

Counter argument:

If Titus named all three scum D1 why do they shoot A50 and not her?

Because A50 was more vocal and townread?

[Titus]

VOTE: Almost50

A50 cannot be scum unless 4 scum nonsense. Math jailed him last night and Ythan died.

[Titus]

Pedit already said A50 as I was scared with how much DGB didn’t want A50 jailed that A50+DGB was a thing.

[Titus]

Let's just do Dragon.

House can you give an exact roleclaim?

[Titus]

Titus, do you seriously believe scum did not have a single goon on the team to screw with Math's role?

I am ambivalent. It could be either or.

[Titus]

I like that plan.

[Titus]

Wait, I'm not going for lim Andres unless Math dies.

[Titus]

Wait, I'm not going for lim Andres unless Math dies.

Oh.

I geddit.

I dunt geddit

Math can clear VTs.

Lim Dragon.
Jail VT if game not ended.
If kill, VT clear.

[Titus]

I'm guessing Math for utility's sake.

That's good. Then in future nights Math can tell his jk target to you and DGB.

[Titus]

Why are there "future nights"? isn't DOTW scum?

Always have a backup plan.

[Titus]

you guys do realize that if im right and its a /5 setup then all Titus' plan does is kill confirmed town

Let's suppose you die because we're wrong about DotW.
Whoever Math jailed cannot be scum.
One conftown dies, another is made.

Scum then face this dilemma again.
Scum make their gamestate worse if they kill anyone but Math.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

I dunno who is scum, but it ain't DotW

Why

You can't just say that.

He did about CSF too but was right on Wake. He might be right here. I doubt it but it's possible.

@Nero, I'm not certain this is a 5/5 or not. I don't know. That doesn't mean I am arguing one way or another.

[Titus]

Dragon wagon got so much support, because he is inactive and doesn't defend himself. He is lackluster rather then evil.

If we weren't looking for solo scum, then this would make sense.

[Titus]

@A50 - Occam's Razor.

[Titus]

We have a rolecop who wouldn't listen to anybody, two roles with strongmen to the VT, and a setup that suggests (but isn't automatic) that one of the PRs is lying/scum.

Alien lizard men could rule our government. It's not likely true.

[Titus]

Why is it that ppl are acting like a50 makes 0 sense as the n1 kill? to me, that's just the simplest solution and explains the no kill. So kinda makes Math's role look real? ofc, there's the tin foil that Math no killed so he looks real but he's in the POE anyways so eh...

With an ascetic flip, A50 was 100% the N1 target because of the watcher soft thing. Watcher is one of the very few roles that could catch an ascetic NK

Makes sense.

That and A50 cannot be a goon one night and not a goon later.

[Titus]

I'm going to have difficulties. Totaled my car today.

[Titus]

I am ok.

[Titus]

Finally off VLA, had a big travel day yesterday but should be around more now

Has anyone gotten a message today?

I messaged A50 last Night.

@A50 - looking at the game state toDay, does my plan even make sense or add value? The only person remaining that might make sense would be 5?

Remind me what your plan is again please?

[Titus]

Remind me what your plan is again please?

It was in the message I received from him, so you wouldn't be privy to it

That's really manipulative.

[Titus]

There really isn't much of a wagon and I haven't seen anyone give much of a reason why I'm scum. Titus has been riding a scumread on me since I made a joke they didn't like in RVS and hasn't engaged with any of my posts until now

You could like scumhunt? We are sort of at an impasse here. I think its likely Titus but I could sorta see where scum is given a role that would be undetectable to her.

Like, perhaps,

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

?

But if Math was eliminated, then DGB would be detectable. DGB doesn't cast doubt on Math early if it suspects a TA exists unless desperate and it wasn't at that point in the game.

DotW makes much more sense as immune scum.

[Titus]

I'm not moving off DGB until one of us is dead.

Do with that what you will.

*facepalm*

This wagon structure makes no sense with one or two scum alive. Pretty much screams DoTW town though otherwise woulda reached E-1 I think. Those of you on DoTW what do you make DoTW hasn’t reached E - 1 despite me claiming not mafia clone?

*double facepalm*

[Titus]

DotW and Kyouko are the only two places I intend to vote.

[Titus]

Good. Cuz I'm not eliminating a VT. They're ALL TOWN.

Then let's lim DotW. You compromised with me last time on CSF. That was right.

[Titus]

Disclaimer, I haven't read anything in days.

[Titus]

y not?

Real life. Worked a 12 hourday yesterday at least. Tonight it's up all night from a hotel.

[Titus]

No.

[Titus]

VOTE: Dragon

Peace out. Working today.

Can we stop drama fighting and go for scum?

[Titus]

Vote Count 4.02

MathBlade (1)

- Kerset

Kerset (1)

- DrippingGoofball

Dragon of the West (1)

- Titus

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Mathblade

Not voting (4)

: Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, Andresvmb, ssbm_Kyouko

It takes

5

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-19 22:40:40)

I wanna hear from Titus DoTW and Andres.

Nothing has changed.

[Titus]

Vote Count 4.02

MathBlade (1)

- Kerset

Kerset (1)

- DrippingGoofball

Dragon of the West (1)

- Titus

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- Mathblade

Not voting (4)

: Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, Andresvmb, ssbm_Kyouko

It takes

5

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-19 22:40:40)

I wanna hear from Titus DoTW and Andres.

Nothing has changed.

You’re still arguing DoTW scum despite me saying the message from DoTW requires coaching from someone who knew the Shadowrun game which fypov shouldn’t be possible?

I don't get it.

[Titus]

If Titus is right then eliminating Kerset and me jailing Kyo is the right play because if a kill happens it has to be a PR. I become fundamentally useless and can be elimmed as a paranoia since it won’t be e-1

Eliminating my townread is not the proper conclusion if I am right. Wt?

[Titus]

Even if you disagree with DotW being scum (I feel like he's manipulating the gamestate to his liking, particularly when A50 can't out what he sent), then it doesn't follow to eliminate in the VTs at all.

It would logically follow to eliminate DGB.

[Titus]

So Titus you think that your role has 2 scum and between two~four townies, which can't be checked? Also got novice for some reason?

So Titus you think that your role has 2 scum and between two~four townies, which can't be checked? Also got novice for some reason?

That has been on my mind.

This is why I want to eliminate in the people I cannot check.

[Titus]

I still don't get the point of a code. No one doubts DotW is a mailman. There's no unclaimed to keep hidden.

[Titus]

@Kyoko and Math, Ok the code makes sense. Although we only need one of DGB/Kyoko.

[Titus]

*DotW

[Titus]

*shrug* I'll reconsider my VT math and stance tonight.

[Titus]

This whole exercise in confirming players and trying to play it out mechanically is just not real mafia.

It does feel like this and not cooperative either. That's likely why we can't get any wagons going.

[Titus]

The PRs all are "useful" and eliminating in the VTs is dumb when we can clear them, so it's a stalemate where no one is really a good elimination according to the majority.

[Titus]

The PRs all are "useful" and eliminating in the VTs is dumb when we can clear them, so it's a stalemate where no one is really a good elimination according to the majority.

No they really aren’t except me.
DoTW can send a message.
You said yourself you can’t check anyone.

Elimming in the VTs and me blocking the other is the most useful thing.
We don’t know if it’s a clear or not until we hit a block.

You're useful but you said DotW is "useful" because you can crumb to him. DGB is available as an alternative. I'm widely townread.

The VTs can all be cleared or not unless scum argue that the last scum is a lying VT.

[Titus]

This means no elimination exists that will satisy everyone.

[Titus]

If you don’t want Kerset explain why they’re town.

There's no reason to scumread them and they've largely been right on scum. You're FoSing them just because they FoSed you.

[Titus]

Kerset is the scummiest remaining player.

Strongly disagree. Kyouko and DotW are scummier.

[Titus]

If you don’t want Kerset explain why they’re town.

There's no reason to scumread them and they've largely been right on scum. You're FoSing them just because they FoSed you.

This isn’t why they’re town. This is just an attack on me Titus.

I presented an argument. Address it or not your call. But until you treat me as an equal you saying Kerset is town has no meaning to me.

I see no argument. I am treating you as an equal. I'm just highlighting there is no argument and people are sheeping you because you're loud and vocal and people are tired of the game.

[Titus]

soo Goof how do you feel about Math so far?

I think Kerset is a huge red flag because if I am scum then that necessitates DGB scum and yet Kerset doesn’t vote DGB.

This is pretty bad too…Like Andres is being pretty bad atm too.

Me scum requires DGB scum.

Argument here. Kerset didn’t want to elim DGB but did want to elim me. This is blatant PR hunting.

That's not an argument.

[Titus]

Oh a free scum vote

VOTE: ssbm

[Titus]

Math likely blocked the scum kill. If Math didn't, then DGB is scum.

Math is the sole protective.

Math has been consistently too wrong to be scum.

[Titus]

Mechanically Math cannot be scum

[Titus]

Let's let Math be wrong for the 5th time.

I am starting to doubt A50 save and instead thinking DGB scum after that last comment.

[Titus]

its prob just kerset and if not one of DOTW/Titus

VOTE: kerset

This. I’d go with Titus here.

My theories are Kerset.
Kerset+Titus
Or
Kyo+Titus.

I don’t think it’s Kyo alone but I can’t get the two scum post out of my head.

And 6.

VOTE: DGB

I am batting on seven now.

[Titus]

I'll be an adult and hammer Kerset but he's town.

[Titus]

he's town b/c? "there's no reason to scumread him"

that's a poor reason I think.

FMPOV that's just as bad as town reading Math b/c "my eyes glaze over"

You just have felt informed about this game.

Right reads =/= informed. You always FoS me too. It's inevitable.

[Titus]

My reasoning for thinking that he could be scum is. A.) meta while I was doing a dive on someone else I ran across a game that had a town Kerset in it that was way more proactive than this game B.) He and CSF cross-voting each other was early distancing?

This is an argument.

Meta sucks though.

The second is a guess and circular. Being right in a toxic environment is usually town.

[Titus]

I'm skeptical b/c I've played with you enough that I've never seen you be this accurate b4.

It's easy when MathBlade is here unfortunately. He'd hate me saying this but scum just use his wrongness and loudness to obscure and avoid elimination. See Civilization. Usually he's not this bad, but when you get to four confirmed times (Wake, CSF, there's a vig, Kyouko is the TA), it's obvious this is one of his worst games ever and I expect Kerset to make it five.

[Titus]

not that I think you really played a huge role in getting either Wake or CSF dead

like I thought House was pretty sccummy for

LYING

about your contributions but it turns out he was just hitting on you or something.

Or he's right...

[Titus]

The louder and angrier Math gets, the more likely he is wrong. Accurate Math works with town, not against it.

[Titus]

mathblade isn't a crutch, stop using him as one.

*shrug* I'll be right by whatever means necessary. I'll try to be tactful but it is what it is.

You should be happy if we get it right.

[Titus]

I'm betting House right over Math currently.

[Titus]

i mean, both Kerset and DOTW have been sitting in my poe so...FMPOV either one of you is right or I'm right and you are the last scum

I'm actually thinking I was wrong on DotW and it's DGB.

[Titus]

Killing A50 doesn't make sense for a VT scum and Math being consistently wrong makes it unlikely he blocked the kill.

[Titus]

I mean, A50 was more or less confirmed town. Killing him makes some sense regardless of vt/pr

No. Math continues "clearing" people and it narrows the pool and increases the chance he's blocked. A VT doesn't make that kill.

[Titus]

Vote Count 1.33

Wake88 (4)

- Titus, Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko, DrippingGoofball

House (3)

- Dragon of the West, MathBlade, Nero Cain

MathBlade (2)

- Ythan, Kerset

Andresvmb (1)

- Wake88

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Catch Scratch Fever (1)

- House

Not voting (1)

: Cat Scratch Fever

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Vote Count 1.34

Wake88 (3)

- Titus, Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko

MathBlade (3)

- Ythan, Kerset, DrippingGoofball

House (2)

- Dragon of the West, Nero Cain

Andresvmb (1)

- Wake88

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Catch Scratch Fever (1)

- House

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

- MathBlade

Not voting (1)

: Cat Scratch Fever

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Wake88

(

Hammered!

)

- Titus, Almost50, ssbm_Kyouko, MathBlade, Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, Wake88

MathBlade (3)

- Ythan, Kerset, DrippingGoofball

Nero Cain (1)

- Andresvmb

Catch Scratch Fever (1)

- House

Not voting (1)

: Cat Scratch Fever

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-09-23 17:06:41)

Vote Count 2.07

Cat Scratch Fever (2)

- Titus, DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball (2)

- MathBlade, Cat Scratch Fever

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Ythan (1)

- Almost50

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

MathBlade (1)

- House

Not voting (4)

: Ythan, ssbm_Kyouko, Kerset, Nero Cain

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

ssbm_Kyouko is VLA through the 26th of September. Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Vote Count 2.15

Ythan (E-2)

- Almost50, House, Titus, Kerset, DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball (3)

- Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade, Nero Cain

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Kerset (1)

- Andresvmb

MathBlade (1)

- ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1)

: Ythan

It takes

7

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-03 23:06:00)

Bus spot on Wake.
All town on Wake, consistent with Toxic environment.
CSF and DGB voting each other to distance. CSF makes no effort to distance from Kerset.

[Titus]

DGB also bails on CSF to wagon town.

[Titus]

Like I said, I'll hammer Kerset to be an adult, but it's likely DGB. I got away from looking at the votes, and that was a mistake.

[Titus]

My backup is ssbm but I don't think ssbm makes that kill unless he's not a goon.

[Titus]

not that I think you really played a huge role in getting either Wake or CSF dead

like I thought House was pretty sccummy for

LYING

about your contributions but it turns out he was just hitting on you or something.

Or he's right...

naw

you randomly voted CSF b/c you were town reading all the actives and then very very lightly pushed there then abandoned her for Wake. And you don't push Wake that hard either.

d2 you pushed CSF a lil' harder but towards EOD you spent a large amount of time trying to wagon not CSF and eventually tunneled the cop claim.

House lied for whatever reason.

Like I could just easily see this as distancing.

Disagreeing with you =/= lying.

Two people see things very differently. It's a common jury instruction.

[Titus]

Also, very hard is relative. I focused on getting town working together as my goal. Town working together hits scum.

[Titus]

then he has a very warped sense of reality

Who voted scum? House.

What were you doing?

Yet you claim his reality is warped. He just knows me better.

[Titus]

Math, mark my words. You will be the reason why town loses this game. I'd volunteer to be eliminated to get out because as long as you and Nero are alive, we don't win. The problem is you still wouldn't listen.

[Titus]

VOTE: Kerset

Let's hurry up and lose. I am sick of this game and want it to be over by my trials.

[Titus]

That's hammer.

Math, I hammered a townread. You and Nero can miseliminate me tomorrow and then sort through my suspects...if you care to.

[Titus]

You're consistent yelling that stopped all scumhunting made this game really unenjoyable for both me and House.

You and Nero will throw this game. I am just sick of fighting the for umpteenth time when you've been proven wrong each time. You don't respect the hot hands and they're all dead/dying/silenced.

[Titus]

Math, please for the love of God, do not dominate the thread here. If you do, it will result in you and me getting eliminated in a likely town loss.

We all know why Nero was left alive. That's to force my elimination prior to elo.

Math, please lay out what we know to be true. Even if it's dumb. Let's start there.

[Titus]

Do an elo like I am five for everything minus alignment conclusions unless there's zero way to avoid the conclusion.