Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Dwlee99]

Who did you target and what's your flavor? That should be revealable even if you don't want to claim full role (which you should btw)

[Dwlee99]

If you said cop and target and were town you would have been able to bait the kill there even after we lim you

[Dwlee99]

1 for 1 is fine I think. Kill the person guiltied first

[Dwlee99]

If cakez is actually town then we traded one for one and I'm fine with that

Pedit: that one was great. I was basically open-dogging with my glee that that was happening

[Dwlee99]

If romance has any result on your slot then it's equivalent to a guilty

Unless we are dealing with some redirection nonsense (but that wouldn't work cause you said ascetic so nvm)

[Dwlee99]

Well I'm thinking bus driver

[Dwlee99]

Redirectors are an unfun role so I'm going to guess that one is not in the game but I do not know much about gif

[Dwlee99]

I hope if cakez clear is real it's on me and I can vibe in dead chat with him

[Dwlee99]

Thinking

[Dwlee99]

If it wasn't clear: head1/head2 don't claim if you're vanilla or not

[Dwlee99]

Anyway, someone hammer this. Cakez is just evil. Unless we want to shuffle raid more

[Dwlee99]

Cakez die cakez die i want next day phase

[Dwlee99]

H1H2 should be in the raid I think

[Dwlee99]

Replace scummiest person with them

[Dwlee99]

I'm not asserting who the scummiest is. I'm saying I think H1H2 on the raid is good

[Dwlee99]

How is evidently what I'm saying if that's not what I'm saying?? Probably Elsa

[Dwlee99]

I moreso mean in the plan

-Qrow

I'm not following?

[Dwlee99]

I am very confident H1/H2 is town here.

[Dwlee99]

I am very confident H1/H2 is town here.

What about tictac, who doesn’t think we’re an “improvement” over Elsa? but doesn’t trust us for reasons he won’t say and I’m somehow being “weird” about having an issue with that? Seriously?

~R

I don't have an opinion on tictac

[Dwlee99]

I read it. Correct that I have no idea what it means

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Join raid

[Dwlee99]

Final Raid Group

1. Dwlee99
   
2. RealCheeks
   
3. Bell
   
4. Elsa Jay
   
5. SirCakez
   
   
6. Sakura Hana
   
7. Romance
   
8. tictac
   
9. Tomorrow Corporation

The raid is a

failure!

Realm danger level increases by

1

.

Who did it

Also, I'm guessing h1/h2 was killed because cakez vanilla copped them and didn't get a vanilla result? Seemed like cakez was fishing for what the role was

[Dwlee99]

Just in case anyone doubted H1 and H2 should be considered near locktown like House.

they dead yo

[Dwlee99]

cakes wasnt fishing, h1/h2 had already said they werent vanilla.

Right, but I think cakez missed that when claiming. That's why I said cakez just needed to die when he claimed the result, and I think he may have been trying to get h1/h2 to counterclaim the result.

[Dwlee99]

Mastina should be on this raid (duh)

[Dwlee99]

t3 is like my brother, so sad he's gone

[Dwlee99]

t3 is like my brother, so sad he's gone

Why would you say this

We're homies. That wasn't sarcasm

[Dwlee99]

Shoulda not claimed that til after TC claimed

[Dwlee99]

I'm glad I'm locktown while doing such zero energy stuff it's so nice

[Dwlee99]

But you have reason to townread me

[Dwlee99]

Mastina I think you're likely townbearding pushing the lim away from TC. I think h1h2 misunderstood something because they were claiming OOGI and I think that the only reason they thought TC was conftown was this misunderstood OOGI

[Dwlee99]

Mastina I straight up think that's a waste of your role

[Dwlee99]

Nah we should eliminate scum

[Dwlee99]

I mean let's get them claiming and then we can figure out what Titus has and decide from there but I don't think we should wait a day to flip scum if that's what we think they are

[Dwlee99]

Let's not spam the thread with an argument until TC claims and Titus outs the soft guilty.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not sure why you're frustrated. It's pointless to talk about whether or not we should let TC live another day until we get their claim + what Titus is talking about.

[Dwlee99]

Okay we will talk about it when all the info is outed!

[Dwlee99]

Can we not end day before TC claims and Titus claims her result? All these votes make me worry we will hammer accidentally before this happens

[Dwlee99]

Smh

[Dwlee99]

Yume's reaction to what I'm saying feels disproportionate

[Dwlee99]

I'm not debating this until we have the claims and we can talk about if we think TC is scum or not. If TC is scum we should just kill them today.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not debating this until we have the claims and we can talk about if we think TC is scum or not. If TC is scum we should just kill them today.

And if they're not?

Then yea it's bad to kill them? What am I not answering?

[Dwlee99]

Can't wait for TC to flip red so you can read these posts and cringe

[Dwlee99]

Smh

Why are you so opposed to mastina potentially confirming TC anyway?

It would be a waste of a night action and an elim if instead of killing scum today we wait a night to "confirm" them and then maybe scum can prevent Mastina's confirmation somehow anyway.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not commenting on anything until TC full claims and Titus reveals what she has

Cya later

Pedit: ??? The downside to waiting a day is we probably eliminate town in their place.

[Dwlee99]

Or maybe. Just maybe. We have a soft guilty on the slot. I haven't really expressed a personal read on TC. They have 17 posts. Most of them with little game content. Absent the soft guilty it's probably a coin toss flip. But here? We just need to wait for a claim and the nature of the soft guilty to be outed

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: TC

[Dwlee99]

The verification is only unjanitoring H1/H2 to see what happened there. I would be unsurprised if TC is a ninja / ninja roleblocker / similar which is why no night action showed up.

[Dwlee99]

So we have a slot with 17 posts. Actions are 1.) Claiming doc which was CC'd 2.) Yea nothing else. H1H2 clearly were confused af about their role. I doubt GiF has out of game influence here. No action after claiming doc and someone else was roleblocked might as well be a guilty

[Dwlee99]

If TC is a roleblocker then Romance will get a night action tonight and is bulletproof. If we wait a day, Romance probably won't be getting a result.

[Dwlee99]

Also please stop using the L-word

[Dwlee99]

TC can't be roleblocker if Titus tracked them going nowhere.
If TC is scum then is Tictac mods likely scum also?
~C

Ninja

Idk about Tictac

I'm just pretty sure that H1H2 misunderstood their role because claiming OOGI influence and Alisae being in the game doesn't make sense to me

[Dwlee99]

How does one add a 1-shot to a VT?

tictac is mechanically town; just trust me on this one. I'll elaborate on day 4 so hold me to this.

I'm a doc so I'm happy to save Romance tonight. I'm also not over the fact that I was disallowed from joining yesterday's RAID.

@mod: Et tu, Brute?

[Dwlee99]

Yea so a VT that can mech clear tictac that is also a doctor

[Dwlee99]

I'm 90% sure that t3 thought that tomorrow corporation was Alisae on an alt and that was why they cleared them but I'm also reasonably sure that alisae is not in this game and he was confused

[Dwlee99]

Sometimes the "easy" elimination is still right

[Dwlee99]

If I fake claim something will people listen to it?

[Dwlee99]

:I

[Dwlee99]

TC what's your flavor?

[Dwlee99]

Biggs Vanilla Eorzean

By my current pet theory, mastina checking h1h2 will not confirm this

[Dwlee99]

Like seriously what kinda information do you think you can extract that would "clear tictac and TC" with this.

I have a theory for how t3 misinterpreted his role here

[Dwlee99]

But it wouldn't clear TC as Biggs.

[Dwlee99]

Man remember that one game where town fake claimed masons with scum and then proceeded to get janitored?
Imagine if someone claims mech clear with 2 players and then gets Janitored.
Imagine if said mech clear is reliant on outside of game information.

Also didnt someone say that H1/H2 is good at making up BS that sounds believable?

Should I out my theory on H1H2?

[Dwlee99]

Man remember that one game where town fake claimed masons with scum and then proceeded to get janitored?
Imagine if someone claims mech clear with 2 players and then gets Janitored.
Imagine if said mech clear is reliant on outside of game information.

Also didnt someone say that H1/H2 is good at making up BS that sounds believable?

Should I out my theory on H1H2?

I dont see how that can hurt at this point, they are dead.

Google "Alisae FFXIV"

[Dwlee99]

Like seriously what kinda information do you think you can extract that would "clear tictac and TC" with this.

I have a theory for how t3 misinterpreted his role here

I had one, but it just falsified.
his flavor is from a different tripod than mine.

Biggs is?

[Dwlee99]

Google "Alisae FFXIV"

It keeps correcting me to Alisaie

Yes but my theory is that t3 misread it and thought it was Alisae the player

T3 was probably informed a certain flavor was town but thought it was a player

[Dwlee99]

Google "Alisae FFXIV"

It keeps correcting me to Alisaie

Yes but my theory is that t3 misread it and thought it was Alisae the player

T3 was probably informed a certain flavor was town but thought it was a player

How would that translate to "both tictac and TC are mech cleared"

He probably thought one of them was the Alisae alt

[Dwlee99]

It's also possible he had multiple things not just Alisae

[Dwlee99]

TC could qualify as a doc-like to a very loose extent if they are Kan-E-Senna. She is the leader of Gridania, and functionally a White Mage.
Tic Tac and H1/H2 could possibly be Rauhbahn (or Nanamo) and Merlwyb, the Eorzean Alliance leaders of Ul'Dah and Limsa Lominsa respectively.

^i'm in this set

R, N, or M? Were you informed of a flavor being town?

[Dwlee99]

Looking at the wiki it says Alisaie has a twin brother. Think that's related at all?

T3 could have been whoever that brother is?

[Dwlee99]

He probably didn't know who Alisae was given the posting so not masons. More like best friends. I saw it once in a normal (LN 233 I think)

[Dwlee99]

With Mastina on the raid it shouldn't fail

[Dwlee99]

Why assume mandelbrot right on Elsa and not on me?

I'll be back tomorrow bye

[Dwlee99]

No I meant why don't they assume you're right on me

They assumed you were right on Elsa and afaict I'm a much more confident TR so it's weird for them to leave me off

cya tomorrow pt2

[Dwlee99]

It's technically tomorrow now ig

I'm not getting off the raid sorry not sorry

[Dwlee99]

Titus tell me who to vote

[Dwlee99]

okay get back to me on that

[Dwlee99]

Not really

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Bell

[Dwlee99]

Looking at the wiki it says Alisaie has a twin brother. Think that's related at all?

Looking at the wiki it says Alisaie has a twin brother. Think that's related at all?

T3 could have been whoever that brother is?

Dwlee literally said T3 was like a brother to him. So by that logic T3 had nothing on TC/tictac, but did have something on Dwlee.

-Qrow

Oh that was not meant as a crumb wtf

I literally just meant that

[Dwlee99]

This was before I figured out the alisae stuff

[Dwlee99]

Are we killing me if my theory is right? Or someone else. (I use they btw)

[Dwlee99]

Okay so we are killing me if my theory is right, why exactly?

[Dwlee99]

So you want to kill me for correctly figuring out I should google "alisae ffxiv" and get a conftown to out to do that? What?

[Dwlee99]

Muddied things how? If scum thought I had crumbed there I would have died in the actual alisae's place which is fine with me

[Dwlee99]

If I pretended I was to draw a night kill I may have drawn a counterclaim

[Dwlee99]

Misleading posts in a critical moment? Before I had even thought about what t3 was saying? okay

[Dwlee99]

oml cheeks, dwlee, bell are all clearly town to me.
i might actually wall at qr later

Why

[Dwlee99]

I kinda want to kill arc still

[Dwlee99]

I know VLA or whatever but also she was only here to OMGUS me and can I actually be correct reading her for once?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Aa9

[Dwlee99]

Eh let's see what happens tonight @3919

[Dwlee99]

Hmm I ISO'd dwlee and now im thinking [they're] town.

How did it feel reading all of my nonsense?

[Dwlee99]

Oh that was just me being cheeky

[Dwlee99]

I'm parking Aa9 unless deadline

[Dwlee99]

Cringe wagon

Aa9 is still scum that no one will help me flip

Cya tomorrow then

[Dwlee99]

I'm still not leaving the raid mastina

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Join raid

[Dwlee99]

I'm assuming strongman is x-shot so scum were forced to blow something on the reward

[Dwlee99]

Also where is h1h2's role?

[Dwlee99]

It isn't like we would lose the ability to check someone's role in the future cause janitor is dead now

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: AA9
This for now

[Dwlee99]

Arc is evil cause she wants to kill between two townies

[Dwlee99]

Fun tidbit: on the night I was roleblocked I was checking Elsa Jay.

does this mean you weren't rb'd last night?

o:

Also thought the same thing

[Dwlee99]

Thinking I'm scum is silly

[Dwlee99]

Flea I'm excited for your next mini theme!

[Dwlee99]

Also I'd be cool with flavor claims except I think it'd out a conftown if my h1h2 theory is right

[Dwlee99]

I want to see h1h2's role, where is Mastina?

[Dwlee99]

Can I get added to that

[Dwlee99]

Can we get a full claim from arc today please

[Dwlee99]

tbf this raid might be better forcing it to fail.

We can't force a fail, it passes if it's all town or if scum are on it and choose to let it pass.

[Dwlee99]

Can I get added to that

Your performance which looked promising at first has yet to produce results.

There is only one reason I've not allocated you to the scum pile at this point.

I'm sure you know what that is.

- House

Because I'm the bestest

[Dwlee99]

Can I get added to that

Your performance which looked promising at first has yet to produce results.

There is only one reason I've not allocated you to the scum pile at this point.

I'm sure you know what that is.

- House

Also I didn't really vibe with the Elsa wagon but like what of my reads do you disagree with that you think I'm not getting results

[Dwlee99]

House I think I know what you're talking about and yea that wasn't the best ig

[Dwlee99]

Wait so do you towncore me or not I'm so confused house

[Dwlee99]

(WhemeStar, RealCheeks, Qrow and Raven, Save the Dragons, ArcAngel9)
Is a kill list I'm behind

[Dwlee99]

Oh it's possible to not fill the raid? Can people still on it pass it or no?

[Dwlee99]

Scum can also pass the raid bell

[Dwlee99]

How does it autofill? I thought that was only when there are 8 or less people

[Dwlee99]

But isn't Tictac confirmed town or something.
People kept saying that but I had no idea what they were talking about.

Depending on what happens with h1h2's role maybe

[Dwlee99]

Okay we should fail this I think. I'll leave if other people leave

[Dwlee99]

And by other people I mean the backlog of people trying to join

[Dwlee99]

Oh.. I missed that okay make it the opposite. Put all your scum reads in the raid and if it suceeds then you've got a poe.
~C

Do you not know how the raid works? I'm so confused

[Dwlee99]

You seem so tilted at me and like for what. I'm not even voting you rn

[Dwlee99]

Can mastina pass the raid by herself with her role?

[Dwlee99]

Can mastina pass the raid by herself with her role?

That's her first claimed ability.

- House

I mean if the raid was just mastina and no one else

[Dwlee99]

Can we please make Aa9 play the game? Pretty please?

[Dwlee99]

A claim would be good just to make sure she doesn't have results or something

[Dwlee99]

Wtf was the point of being able to reveal a janitor but not a roleswap

[Dwlee99]

I think she has 300 posts of catch up until she is back with us

[Dwlee99]

Mastina, this raid refills shots so if you're on it alone and force it to succeed you'd still be able to do that again

[Dwlee99]

Faking dissonance to get townread as a hydra is hydra 101 to the point I remember hydra doing it in 2016. Really should not be "clearing" or anything close to that

[Dwlee99]

Faking dissonance to get townread as a hydra is hydra 101 to the point I remember hydra doing it in 2016. Really should not be "clearing" or anything close to that

Scum hydra doing it in 2016 specifically, btw

[Dwlee99]

Aa9 can you claim

[Dwlee99]

If she is able to force it to succeed anyway. That's what she said her role can do

[Dwlee99]

I wouldn't mind having RealCheeks and Mystic bears claim today

[Dwlee99]

There's literally no reason to kill mastina this phase

[Dwlee99]

What is the raid rn

[Dwlee99]

Damn idk who I'd want for the 8th

[Dwlee99]

Homie what is recent history here?

[Dwlee99]

I might be okay with TC on raid

[Dwlee99]

Homie what is recent history here?

I thought I knew what we were talking about before this recent history thing but it's not so now I'm confused

[Dwlee99]

Homie what is recent history here?

Just my hopes and dreams, and the fact they have yet to come to fruition.

- House

If I'm right about what you're hoping for I suspect you'll be disappointed

[Dwlee99]

Homie what is recent history here?

Just my hopes and dreams, and the fact they have yet to come to fruition.

- House

If I'm right about what you're hoping for I suspect you'll be disappointed

You sure have a way of disappointing a guy.

- House

I might be able to elaborate

[Dwlee99]

Can y'all stop spamming the thread and just focus on one thing for a day? Aa9 is here and apparently refuses to claim or is VT. Just kill her

[Dwlee99]

Ok I can live with Dwlee/wheme/Mandelbrot.
~C

Your implicit defense of Aa9 is funny

[Dwlee99]

Even if there were 5 scum to start we are in a better starting position than a mini is numbers-wise with more info and probably more role power

[Dwlee99]

I've played a lot of minis

[Dwlee99]

Lemon Demon?

[Dwlee99]

Oh I thought you typo'd

[Dwlee99]

Wagon resistance is completely NAI when we have a strong townblock and Aa9 is indefensible. Who voting her right now is scum? If you don't have a reasonable answer to that then I don't care about wagon resistance rn. And I will not accept Mandelbrot as an answer

[Dwlee99]

House can just be aggressive I don't think it's AI

[Dwlee99]

You should eliminate Dwlee, Mystic Bears, Tomorrow, Romance

Also I'm pretty sure that every name in here is town

[Dwlee99]

Aa9/RealCheeks/Wheme is my solve rn

[Dwlee99]

Mystic if you can't help me get this Aa9 lim through I'm not going to do anything to stop everyone else calling for your head

[Dwlee99]

If your methodology hasn't worked in this context (wagon speed -> alignment in this game) then don't reuse it at least without a significant change of context

Pedit: okay so Aa9 wants to kill town and you're chill with that cause wagon speed?

[Dwlee99]

Ok but I haven't explicitly said I townread arcangel. I'm just considering the possibility. Plus telling me I need to change my reads really doesn't make me want to do that?! I mean sure I'll reread some stuff but that's all I'm going to do.

I mean I could be more subtle but also like you need to change your reads or at least agree that Aa9 is the correct lim regardless of alignment

[Dwlee99]

Can we just send it on AA and keep this moving? >_> lot of pointless bickering.

Yea as long as the raid is set I just want a flip and new day

[Dwlee99]

Oh cool Aa9 posts

[Dwlee99]

So we buy Aa9 not knowing romance can get guilties despite her E-1ing Cakez? Why did she E-1 Cakez if not because of the guilty?

[Dwlee99]

Is it just me or are we not going to get a flavor claim out of Aa9 for another day

[Dwlee99]

If she is town not my fault

[Dwlee99]

If she is town not my fault

that's a spicy take

Not really

[Dwlee99]

I mean you could argue I should have done a better job reading her if that's the case but also eh

[Dwlee99]

If she is town not my fault

Given how adamant you’ve been about how this time is different, I’m not willing to give you this.

-Qrow

Nah

She needed to be eliminated here

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Join raid
Hope I get on this

Can give thoughts/read later

[Dwlee99]

Homie what is recent history here?

Just my hopes and dreams, and the fact they have yet to come to fruition.

- House

If I'm right about what you're hoping for I suspect you'll be disappointed

You sure have a way of disappointing a guy.

- House

I might be able to elaborate

This would be a good Day to do that when you have the time.

- House

Titus didn't ask about my role, is that enough elaboration? Also I decided to skim what was said and there's actually not even confirmation of a roleblocker rn right? Because romance was 1-shot it's possible scum knew that and that is why she wasn't dead, not because they could roleblock her?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Join raid
Hope I get on this

Can give thoughts/read later

Will we

Finally

get some non-AA9 thoughts?

Have I not already? But yea her being gone is good for my focus

[Dwlee99]

Anyway toodles I gotta go

[Dwlee99]

Anyway to reiterate.
We know there's still a scum strongman out there (Titus died with bulletproof).
We know there's still a scum roleblocker out there (Romance was roleblocked N2).
We know Mandelbrot is neither of those roles because I confirm their ability, even if they're scum (which i dont think they are), they cannot be either of those 2, so they're lowest priority

Read Romance's flip yo

[Dwlee99]

Not really.

Had you not been leading her on by saying you wanted her to claim any guilties you got and vice versa, maybe.

That said, the fact we got to d5 alive with you knowing about us since n1 is a strong town case.

I'm just annoyed.

- House

That should be enough clarification. But no, I don't have any guilties (duh)

[Dwlee99]

Anyway to reiterate.
We know there's still a scum strongman out there (Titus died with bulletproof).
We know there's still a scum roleblocker out there (Romance was roleblocked N2).
We know Mandelbrot is neither of those roles because I confirm their ability, even if they're scum (which i dont think they are), they cannot be either of those 2, so they're lowest priority

Read Romance's flip yo

I did, Romance had +1 Shot

oh derp I forgot the core mechanic of the game lol

Anyway, gotta go for realsies this time

[Dwlee99]

There was a clear on me?

[Dwlee99]

I hinted investigative in the thing with Titus and she heavily implied PR

[Dwlee99]

Agree with wheme flip today

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Join raid

[Dwlee99]

Given my record this game, me not wanting to eliminate bears might be scum-indicative for them. Brb gonna remind myself who I thought should die next instead of them

[Dwlee99]

Aa9/RealCheeks/Wheme is my solve rn

Okay how about realcheeks next? Is there a reason not?

[Dwlee99]

i'm good with bears today.

massclaims first tho.

I think only certain slots should be made to claim.

[Dwlee99]

How many scum are left? 1 or 2?

Prob 2

[Dwlee99]

The raid failed because we didn't have 8 on it, we didn't get any alignment information from it cause wheme self-hammered before raid was filled.

[Dwlee99]

Wheme hammered early on purpose which could point to scum on raid imo since it allowed scum to fail raid without getting caught.
~C

VOTE: realcheeks

[Dwlee99]

We have the guaranteed scum in these last 3 as well.

No?

[Dwlee99]

Wheme hammered early on purpose which could point to scum on raid imo since it allowed scum to fail raid without getting caught.
~C

VOTE: realcheeks

he's claiming vt when we have too many pr claims.
also was in day2 raid w Elsa and Cakes + likely no other scumz.

How do we have too many PR claims? Isn't it just mandel and mystic? Also, even if y'all are set on mystic, we should get a claim first.

[Dwlee99]

What do the first two options do

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee. You and Dragons are locked in a room with no way out. Kiss, marry, or kill?

-R

Do I get any say

Wait your turn to answer

[Dwlee99]

Are you claiming PGO here

[Dwlee99]

I'd find it super funny if Mastina typed that all up and then MB flips town a la Bingle in MBOS.

I'm confused why I'm still in people's poes here

[Dwlee99]

I think it gives an action to a tracker so it could be fake claimed I guess

[Dwlee99]

Nancy are you parroting me?

[Dwlee99]

Why should I get off the raid exactly?

[Dwlee99]

Newsflash!

Titus posted a list of roles in the n1 PT and asked dwlee for target suggestions.

dwlee suggested Mirio as the target for both Tracker & Follower.

Who died n1? Mirio.

WHY WOULD DWLEE FOR THAT AS SCUM?

You're welcome.

- House

It'd look better for me if I told her to watch Mirio. I don't really get your argument though, killing the target of the invest would be good right? But yeah, I knew it was house since he very clearly claimed Titus and I were going to be in the hood N1 in thread and then we were. And Titus heavily hinted having a PR (as did I because I was paranoid of House at the time but regardless)

[Dwlee99]

look folks: if the scum have a pool of 3 vts to choose between or 4 it doesn't really matter.
mastina already confirmed that she's using a shot today so a failed raid can't happen (or mastina is scum).
it's a super cheap way to get actual confimed info on one of the best players of the game.
the-raid-should-not-be-full

Also yes it does. Not really looking to be night killed here when they could be forced to kill in the poe instead cause I'm obvtown

[Dwlee99]

Also we end up getting back to zero on the danger which is good so no multitasking on scum

[Dwlee99]

I've declared myself obvtown

[Dwlee99]

So is the idea here to confirm Mastina's ability by having one player less than the needed number of players to fill the raid so she can activate her ability to prove it works how she said it did?
How does that clear anyone else tho.

We should let it be full. Seriously, if someone is scum on the wagon they have to kill outside anyway. If you think I'm scum why does it matter if I'm on or off the wagon if you don't even want someone else on it to avoid them being murderized, it makes no sense

[Dwlee99]

Idk who is scum but I like STD

[Dwlee99]

I disagree with the assertion that Mandel is soft clear. I townread him but I don't think that's the case

[Dwlee99]

It is widely accepted though the the janitored role for H1H2 was likely town as they were janitored after NK. What I wonder though is if scum could then see the role and use it to fabricate a strong fake claim.
~C

They know the role cause the swapper

[Dwlee99]

I disagree with the assertion that Mandel is soft clear. I townread him but I don't think that's the case

Which part of the mechanical clear do you disagree with?
~C

I'll be alive to explain if I need to