Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

[Bingle]

I’m just gonna go ahead and let house argue that all of houses reasons for house being town are bullshit and go to bed.

This is most certainly not a strategy I’ve seen before though.

[Bingle]

Subject: Micro 1010: Divide and Conquer: Round 2 - Game Over!

Alive

Vanderscamp
Hopkirk

Dead

Bingle - Eliminated day 1 -

Mafia Goon

NorwegianboyEE - Killed night 1 -

Vanilla Townie

Dunnstral - Eliminated day 2 -

Vanilla Townie

Not_Mafia - Killed night 2 -

Vanilla Townie

marcistar - Eliminated day 3 -

Vanilla Townie

Lukewarm - Killed night 3 -

Vanilla Townie

GuiltyLion - Eliminated day 4 -

Vanilla Townie

Subject: DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

DEFCON MAFIA 5.0

Живой

Cephrir
innocentvillager

Mognet

Prism

Save the Dragons
Vaxkiller
Toogeloo
gorilla
JohnnyFarrar

Equinox

The Entity (Equinox/xRECKONERx)

Equinox

DeasVail
Titus
joqiza

Мертвый

Mastina - Eliminated Day 1 -

Russian (Eavesdropper)

PookyTheMagicalBear - Killed Night 1 -

American (Missile Silo)

VFP

deep-city-lights

- Eliminated Day 2 -

Russian (Fallout Shelter)

Lady Lambdadelta - Killed Night 2 -

American (Missile Silo)

Et Al (Skitter30/Something_Smart) - Killed Night 2 -

American (Aircraft Carrier)

Koto

Merlot

Untrod Tripod

- Nuked Day 3 -

Russian (Missile Silo)

T3 - Nuked Day 3 -

American (Fail Safe)

DeathNote - Nuked Day 3 -

American (Missile Silo)

Robert M Hunter - Committed Suicide Day 3 -

American (Counterintelligence)

Nexus - Committed Suicide Day 3 -

American (Missile Silo)

samantha97 - Eliminated Day 3 - Terrorist (Air Base)
Bell - Killed Night 3 -

American (Fighter)

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque) - Nuked Day 3 -

Russian (Missile Silo)

Bingle

marry

- Nuked Day 3 -

Russian (Radar)

Subject: Micro 984: my beautiful dark twisted familytree [COMPLETE]

Open micros with a twist series FIVEquel?!?!?!?

from the production company that brought u:

Micro 792: three-in-one

[penguinpower won (disclaimer: it was a bad setup)]

Micro 839: two-in-one

[wolves win carbon-14, town wins bird 7p, irrelephant / persivul win both]

Micro 884: added to the group chat

[scum team of something_smart / pine win 2d3]

Micro 970: we found a fifth

[scum wins both times, no repeat winners]

micro 984: my beautiful dark
twisted familytree

This game will involve the following setup:
- Bloodline Mafia (setup by

Kanna

)

familiarize yourself with it.

This game will involve the following flavors:
- sweet
- salty
- spicy
- kale

THE PLAYERS:

- Titus

Galron

DoubtingThomas

- Bingle
- DkKoba
- petapan
- DeasVail
- Pink Ball

insomnia

- SirCakez
- MathBlade

Kanna

- PookyTheMagicalBear

*note: I have assigned a special badge to Kanna for creating the setup

GAME HISTORY:

Spoiler: Game 1

DkKoba was eliminated Day 1. They were a

Town Family Child

[mafia fam].
petapan self-eliminates Day 1. They were a

Mafia Mother

.
PookyTheMagicalBear was killed Night 1. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.
SirCakez was killed Night 2. They were a

Town Father

.
Bingle was eliminated Day 3. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.
Galron was killed Night 3. They were a

Town Family Child

[town fam].
insomnia self-eliminates Night 3. They were a

Town Mother

.
Kanna was endgamed Night 3. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.
DeasVail,

Mafia Father

, survives and wins this game with petapan!

However, the game is not over.

DT

Spoiler: Game 2

DkKoba was eliminated Day 1. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.
Pink Ball was killed Night 1. They were a

Town Father

.
DeasVail was eliminated Day 2. They were a

Mafia Father

.
SirCakez was killed Night 2. They were a

Town Family Child

[town fam].
Bingle self-eliminates Night 2. They were a

Town Mother

.
Mathblade was killed Night 3. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.
PookyTheMagicalBear was eliminated Day 4. They were a

Town Family Child

[mafia fam].
Titus was endgamed Day 4. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.
petapan,

Mafia Mother

, survives and wins this game with DeasVail!

However, the game is not over.

DT

SirCakez was eliminated Day 1. They were a

Town Family Child

. [mafia fam]
Pink Ball self-eliminates Day 1. They were a

Mafia Father

.
PookyTheMagicalBear was killed Night 1. They were a

Town Father

.
Titus was killed Night 2. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.
DkKoba was eliminated Day 3. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.
petapan was killed Night 3. They were a

Town Family Child

. [town fam]
Mathblade self-eliminates Night 3. They were a

Town Mother

.
DeasVail was endgamed Night 3. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.
Bingle,

Mafia Mother

, survives and wins this game with Pink Ball!

The game is over.

DT Mod

None of them are great samples, but those are my last three.

DEFCON was mechsolved before I repped in. D&C is a setup where one scum is guaranteed to be caught numbers wise and was the second running with an almost identical lobby, and family tree was last year. I have some marathons too, but I assume they matter even less

[Bingle]

Bingle, can you provide some examples of you doing similar things to the Wisdom hammer?

Not off the top of my head. I can point at things that are similar in one way or another, but I’d have to do a deep dive to look for similarities.

If you’d like me to, say so, but it’s definitely atypical of both my scum and townplay.

[Bingle]

Does anyone want to talk about how Bingle asked Wisdom a question, then hammered before getting an answer?

Frustration. It’s not like that was the first time I’d asked why people were townreading duck, and as far as I can tell the answer has been pretty much “Deal with it” with absolutely no consideration of my arguments.

Me, when questioned about why I made that post the day after.

I was annoyed by the complete lack of engagement with what seemed to me to be an obvious scumcase on duck and the repeated insistence despite, you know, everything I'd posted that I was lockscumming Ali/House. House, imagine and Taly were tunneling on Wis because of what felt like dumb reasons, although honestly I can't remember what they were, and I was hoping that flipping Wis would make it possible to get traction on the duck case.

Compare, why would scum me be rushing to eliminate the eightball in return for my own lim? I'd posted quite a bit while Wisdom was at E-1, but I didn't decide to 'scumclaim' until after taking the time to explain why I was town, and indeed, convincing MT of it? House had just said he thought I was town, MT had just unvoted me, and I wouldn't actually be worried that the only other person in the thread who'd expressed suspicion of me (imagine) would seriously support my elimination over Wisdom's if I were scum with him.

[Bingle]

At the point of the hammer? Unlikely. I took literally everyone in the thread (including wisdom) prodding me for thinking he might be as an indication he wasn’t.

It’s why I was willing to make that trade. In hindsight, that was really dumb, because of course scum is going to try to convince people that the eight ball isn’t the eightball, but hindsight is 20/20.

[Bingle]

Actually looking back it was house and wisdom who convinced me wis wasn’t 8 ball. Why are you townreading house’s early play again?

[Bingle]

I mostly just don't understand the town motivation for it at all.

As an attempt to help you see my headspace around that time: my previous game I was shittunneled for a “scum slip” that was literally the town role pm I was sent to the point where I was frustrated enough to replace out for a lack of fun in a game for the first time ever.

In this game, ducks was openly avoiding answering every question directed his way, and my case on him for that was receiving less attention than him literally editing one of my posts to say something else and then calling it a scum slip. Ali’s response to me asking to engage over the read was literally replacing out. Taly voted him for like a page and then invited with the reasoning of “I’d like to see his answers to the questions.” Wisdom said he was locktowning him, with no additional reasoning. House’s stated reasoning for townreading him was “You’re not gonna like the answer.”

I asked Wisdom to explain his duck read, and then accumulated frustration kicked in and I hammered. Was it dumb? Sure. But I can’t exactly go back and fix it now, can I?

Nor was it a scum move: if I had been scum there, I wasn’t actually in a bad place. I had a reasonable tunnel on someone that was largely being ignored and the thread seemed determined to vote off the guy who turned out to be the eightball with or without my input. The main person suspecting me had just turned that around, and the only other people suspecting me were the person steadfastly refusing to engage with anyone and the person who was at e-1 for the 3rd(?) time that day.

[Bingle]

All I can offer is what I thought at the time. My impression was that everyone but me and Taly thought wisdom being an eightball was ridiculous, and so would have been unlikely to 8ball wis. I know now that I was wrong, but that doesn’t change what I thought then.

[Bingle]

Okay, now that I can stop lying: my hammer day 2 was in fact a scum claim. I did it because imagine asked me to and the Taly hammer that wasn’t + the replacements had me slightly tilted.

My not being around both during duck and tweet paranoiaing and ss and tweet paranoiaing were both unavoidable RL things, although I knew my presence in those times was important to winning the game.

[Bingle]

in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing.

May I sig ducky?

[Bingle]

Thanks for the game, particularly SS. That last phase was the most fun I’ve had in a while, and definitely Mr dargons for putting up with us. I hope there’s no hard feelings House, I knew tilting you was my best shot at winning here so I was being a little bit more in your face than I normally prefer.

And damn but this playerlist was a good one.

[Bingle]

I havent been mislim'd in ages I believe, this game serves as shock that either the site meta is less forgiving towards my playstyle now or I am rusty and don't actually play like I used to

FWIW I thought you were obvtown. Something to do with not posting in the scum PT, probably, but I like to think I'd have townread your play regardless.

[Bingle]

I don’t recall Wisdom never explaining himself, just only explaining things when absolutely necessary.

But yeah, a lot of the players who used to be virtually untouchable as eliminations aren’t nearly as hard to kill as they used to be. At least those ones that are still around.

And fwiw in the current meta I think both ducky and Taly are harder mislims, though probably not by much. Heading into this game I said that I could see any elimination D1 without any being exceptionally more likely, and I stand by that.

Also, I really don’t think that fighting for your 8ball is a good idea as scum and

[Bingle]

in the case where 8 balling No Elim is allowed it's basically always the right play D1.

[Bingle]

I wouldn’t mind mod PT access either

[Bingle]

Subject: Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) MOD PT

RE: Taly's quote vote

I've decided to rule that as not a valid vote, because of intent.

Fucking quotes. This was

Imaginality

voting NOT ME.

Since Taly didn't intend to vote Alisae, Taly just messed a quote tag, I've decided to rule this way. It's not an easy call to make because Taly messed up but I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt here.

Happy to discuss this ruling further after the game, if you have any issues with it, please don't hesitate to contact me or a listmod, just note the difficult position a mod is placed in when something like this happens.

I think this is the wrong call specifically because you're using intent. Like, as a mod you should never be trying to figure out the intent of a player because you have additional information and thus can modspew players as certain alignments. Particularly in this case, modspewing Taly as town.

I think the action itself (choosing not to count a vote because it was in broken tags) is reasonable, but the second you as a mod are looking at the intent of the players something is wrong.

[Bingle]

I believe the mod did fine. I think another good response for the mod would just be to confirm with me in PM if my vote was intentional... which it wasn't.

My stance isn't that not counting the vote is wrong. My stance is specifically that basing whether the vote counted on the intent of a player is a bad way to make the call.

Better ways:

1. An explicit rule like SS's.
2. Asking someone who isn't spoiled as to the alignment of the voter to make the call. (Presumably a listmod who is not in the game.)
3. Making a value call that you universally wouldn't accept votes inside of broken tags.

I tend to lean the opposite way having thought about it since it happened (if an automated votecounter would count it I would) mostly because I wouldn't always notice broken tags especially in a fast paced game, but the what is not at all what I think was wrong. Nor am I blaming STD for his choice. I am explaining why I think the way he went about making the choice was a bad set of criteria because I want to have better games in the future.

Don't get me wrong, STD did a great job and town deserved the win. I just always think it's worth talking about what could be done better so that it is, in fact, done better. Even if that's by someone entirely unrelated to the game who just happens to see it.