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[Titus]

I jailkept Kyo like I said.

Scum are trying to frame me but we have the miselims to spare.

It’s between DoTW DGB and Titus

And I suspect [redacted] the most. Let’s see how this plays out.

Here's a hint, I think this is wrong. While I still have one of DotW and DGB in my PoE. I'm supposing my accuracy was right at the start of the game.

[Titus]

I do think, if I am wrong on DotW/DGB being in the pool, you would be the target for thread health and to "confirm" the VTs.

[Titus]

Math, please for the love of God, do not dominate the thread here. If you do, it will result in you and me getting eliminated in a likely town loss.

We all know why Nero was left alive. That's to force my elimination prior to elo.

Math, please lay out what we know to be true. Even if it's dumb. Let's start there.

Nero is confirmed town because Ythan is a confirmed cop.
We know that scum has a PR of some kind. Innocents do not apply but VTs are very likely conf as only one scum could be in any VTs remaining.
I know I am town simple jailkeeper.
DoTW is capable of sending messages to players.
The person sent the DoTW message is alive.

Correct. So the only person we know is clear is Nero. So why an Andres kill over Nero? Andres was capable of doing nothing due to thread speed. Your jail of Kyouko was obvious, given the suspicion.

The next two actions would be eliminate me, then shoot Nero or eliminate you and shoot a non Nero townie.

This leaves two players. DGB/DotW/Kyouko (one dead by shot)

[Titus]

Probably eliminate you first as Nero is the only logical protect you could make. That would force me and Nero in elo.

So the only proper play is to eliminate me. You protect Nero which forces a shot in the PoE and we pray Nero grows a brain.

[Titus]

Either that or I pray you aren't wrong six times and DGB isn't going to bitter vote you.

[Titus]

Tomorrow is mylo, in which Nero and I cannot both be alive. We do not eliminate conftown.

Because you eliminated Kerset over my objection, you are stuck voting me and healing Nero.

[Titus]

So do your thing today but

VOTE: Titus

[Titus]

I don’t follow this at all. I have a reason why Andres was killed over Nero which points to [someone] but until we do the numbers thing I can’t know for sure

Count them. We have one miselimination before mylo. Nero votes me in elo/mylo everytime. He's said as much.

So if we guess wrong today, then we lose as Nero always votes me.

If we have one guess to vote right, we vote in a smaller pool of 3, than a pool of 5 from an outsiders perspective (you and I aren't conftown).

Scum in DGB/DotW/Kyouko has to decide which of you/Nero would be wrong in a three way elo, and you're a possible miselimination that's been wrong 5 times.

It's DotW. That's my final answer.

Town should have gone with you as you were the hot hand in the anonymous game. Trust me here.

[Titus]

Of course scum could go with eliminating DGB but that would eliminate its bitter vote in elo, which is more dependable than Nero voting you.

[Titus]

Scum could be Kyouko and the play is largely the same path.

[Titus]

Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain, DrippingGoofball, MathBlade, Titus

Eliminate Titus

Dragon of the West, ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain, DrippingGoofball, MathBlade

Nightkill one of SSBM/DotW/DGB, SSBM, sake of argument

Dragon of the West, Nero Cain, DrippingGoofball, MathBlade

It's mylo. Scum no kill or kill Math if they feel Nero messes it up.

Nero needs to vote me if he doubts me and spend the rest of the day sorting DGB/DotW/Kyouko.

Math, you'll need to work with Nero and accept you have both been wrong this game. If DGB and Nero vote you in mylo, that's game over.

[Titus]

I feel I am right. Do your magic but the course is set.

[Titus]

I really feel DGB is town here. Eliminate DotW or Kyouko before DGB.

On the off chance scum shoot DGB, then I'd sleep well with either call. My money is on DotW but Kyouko does look bad in the votes.

[Titus]

*sigh* I hope you're right, but eliminating me is still the wiser play as your SR(s) will still be alive.

I am an adult here. We play to win. Do your thing but my last shot to live died with Kerset.

[Titus]

*sigh* I hope you're right, but eliminating me is still the wiser play as your SR(s) will still be alive.

I am an adult here. We play to win. Do your thing but my last shot to live died with Kerset.

It’s an experiment.
If nothing comes of it back to play as normal then elimming anyone is a part of the discussion

Ok. I claim scum. I resign.

[Titus]

Let Math do his experiment then draw conclusions.

[Titus]

*sigh* Just do your magic.

[Titus]

This is a shit post. You may now vote me for shit posting.

[Titus]

It's clean and neat.

[Titus]

Given Nero always votes me in elo, I must be the choice. Nero can't die. You'd decide elo with a pool of one less or an additional elimination. It's a no brainer.

There's also the fact I am obvscum.

[Titus]

Are you people really going to require a grand confession?

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

There we go. A step in the right direction. Ssbm is town.

[Titus]

Since no one is pushing me A is also not the option so it has to be B scum want Nero in elo with Titus. So Titus is the final miselim.

You get it. We hear from number 2. Then I die. It's the only way. You can disagree with my guess on DotW but do not eliminate DGB. Please.

[Titus]

Since no one is pushing me A is also not the option so it has to be B scum want Nero in elo with Titus. So Titus is the final miselim.

You get it. We hear from number 2. Then I die. It's the only way. You can disagree with my guess on DotW but do not eliminate DGB. Please.

Or we elim scum DoTW and win?

He'll be there tomorrow. You'll also have the opportunity to get feedback from conftown. The only way Nero doesn't make it until elo is if scum kill you after my miselimination.

Force scum to take it to three alive. It's the better play to get feedback from Nero with all evidence he is wrong gone.

We could be wrong and it's ssbm too. Give Nero a chance to sort it out.

The worst thing that happens is an elo between DGB DotW and Ssbm. I have faith in DGB there.

[Titus]

Don't bet the game on me being right when there's more cards to play and more people to hear from. I know it's hard to let a townread go, but we give town the best odds of winning. That's with three alive, not six.

[Titus]

Because if we miseliminate someone, then Nero hammers me in elo. It's betting the game on Dragon being scum. If we only have one shot, it's better to take that shot in 3 players rather than 5 (well 6 technically but Nero is conftown).

Then again, if Nero gets replaced, then it isn't necessarily fatalistic.

[Titus]

I go back and forth on ssbm, ngl.

[Titus]

Nero, are you going to vote me out if I live until ELO? If so, vote me now.

[Titus]

Titus, if the reason that I'm alive is to eliminate you then why doesn't that apply to dotw as well since I've been pushing both of you?

I don't really recall you doing that? Like you had DGB and DotW in your pool for days but it never felt to me like you pushed them. Maybe that's just egocentric on my part.

[Titus]

The only slight thing is that you or him would control the nk and you could intentionally not kill me so you can make that argument. I mean sure it's possible but if we are going to say that then I think it points to math

I highly doubt it's Math. The situation is that if it is Math, then he must take you to elo. Thus anyone trying to frame Math must take you to elo. Math isn't really worth considering until F3 if the game goes that long.

[Titus]

Then Math or the real scum are forced into cross voting which gives us 50/50 odds of winning. Keeping Math alive, unless they have reason to believe you'll vote Math over them is dumb.

[Titus]

The number/list thing? Yeah it's dumb and I'm ignoring it.

Also strange jump from "scum is a goon" to "scum has a pr"

is anyone else playing?

No. You two bullied out A50 House and Kerset who were the town we worked with to get an elimination.

Let's eliminate me or DotW. If wrong, no lim until 3 alive.

[Titus]

I'm especially cranky because of IRL judge.

[Titus]

Math, you owe me DotW if you aren't voting me.

Do NOT eliminate DGB.

Please work with town.

[Titus]

Fine.

VOTE: Dotw

[Titus]

Titus appears to have TAed me 2 nights in a row
:thinking_emoji:

Yeah. Ran out of targets and I forgot about Andres. I was in idagf mode.

[Titus]

Nero and Math, please give me some respect when I am the hot hand.

[Titus]

Nero and Math, please give me some respect when I am the hot hand.

You needed to treat Math better, I

would have been

the hot hand had I stayed in the game. I had a base townblock of 5, plus 2 slots that were pushing me that looked genuine while doing so, and A50 would have basically been my cop shot had I not townblocked him by EoD1. I had the game basically narrowed down to Wake/Kerset/CSF/DotW. No matter what his read quality was, you were

awful

to Math. WHY DO YOU THINK HE TRIED TO PASS HIMSELF OFF AS YOU IN CHROMATIC ASCENSION?!?!?!?!??

Gamma, I did give you respect and worked with you.

Also, I was not horrible to Math. Highlighting he was wrong five times at a minimum and his constant disrespect and refusal to actually follow who was right and instead bumble along was correct. There was no getting him and Nero to listen until Math was essentially guilted into voting DotW.

[Titus]

@Mod Great game, modding and setup.

Good job quick hammering the mailman. What was the reasoning?

PoE for me. I would have quickhammered if Math voted first.

[Titus]

Titus Most Valuable Player Award

Thank you, Gamma A50 and House deserve credit too. Ythan minorly too. Most of town worked together.

[Titus]

I appreciate your working with me, Titus.
I've said my piece on what happened this game wrt you and Math, I don't care to litigate it further, all I want is just to see things go well in the next game.

Same. I don't see how unless and until town!Math intends to back off when wrong and reset rather than shouting down. Kerset and House eliminations were horrible.

[Titus]

Thanks for mod Dwlee. Cool setup with all the TA fake guilties

Agreed.

[Titus]

If I got past today I was NKing Math and then hoping for a Titus/DGB mislim

By NKing Math, you'd be forced to eliminate Nero as a nightkill after that.

Then you'd get me, DGB, Kyouko.

Me and DGB TRed each other. Yet not killing Kyouko would be odd.

If you left me/DGB alive, you'd have to play off Calculasia but I am not sure if you'd know that.

If you shot me or DGB, the other would vote you and Kyouko would logically wonder why he's alive in elo being near conftown.

[Titus]

If you left Nero alive twice, despite no protection to get him into elo, you'd play into you me Nero and I think Nero sees through that.

[Titus]

And the BP??

Red herring for scum.

[Titus]

I appreciate your working with me, Titus.
I've said my piece on what happened this game wrt you and Math, I don't care to litigate it further, all I want is just to see things go well in the next game.

Same. I don't see how unless and until town!Math intends to back off when wrong and reset rather than shouting down. Kerset and House eliminations were horrible.

+1

Thanks for the carry, Titus.

Anytime.

[Titus]

Not authorized to read House PT.

Authorize mine.

[Titus]

Same with Gamma's