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[Wiki]

You was a rather active player on previous Thursday. Previous weeks don't count?
VOTE: Datisi

[Wiki]

You was a rather active player on previous Thursday. Previous weeks don't count?
VOTE: Datisi

hello Wiki, i don't believe we've met. I'm dragon. How are you?

Hi, I'm Wiki, I'm fine.

You was a rather active player on previous Thursday. Previous weeks don't count?
VOTE: Datisi

last week does, it just so happened some of my classes got cancelled.

you already doing meta dives on people?

I think there is no connection with meta. Just checking your info here.

[Wiki]

VOTE: wiki
I have 7500 edits to Wikipedia.

7500 things nobody cares about.

[Wiki]

do you think it's plausible that i (or anyone, really) am lying about being vla two days a week?

@wiki, it's cool you're responding to random votes, can you respond to actual questions?

I can.

[Wiki]

do you think it's plausible that i (or anyone, really) am lying about being vla two days a week?

@wiki, it's cool you're responding to random votes, can you respond to actual questions?

I can.

respond to 14 then?

No.

[Wiki]

I have Datisi and A50 as Scum so far. Ico is Town.

That's interesting.
I was going to post the opinion below and then I saw yours in new posts...
Anyway:

A50 talks easy, I like it.
I have no solid thoughts about the others. Everybody is 50/50 for now.

[Wiki]

Andresvmb, if you are ready to explain opinion about Datisi in detail, please do it about A50 too.

[Wiki]

And DW is pursuing everyone aggressively so far, with some pointed questions, which is in my book Town indicative.

I'm not sure that it was agressive enough with his fast changing votes. He can do his little attacks on purpose, it can be not sincere. It is also not so dangerous for him on this stage.

[Wiki]

Wiki is scum af but we play with datisi first

So A50 is town for you, right?

[Wiki]

Then maybe stop posting everything with much confidence, bc later when some ppl flip red/green, I will elim those, who have more and bigger mistakes.

[Wiki]

VOTE: Dwlee99

[Wiki]

At least he is not a town's important role with such behaviour and confidence.
In the best case scenario he is just a ruiner. We dont need him to win, he can help scums to win.

[Wiki]

Then maybe stop posting everything with much confidence, bc later when some ppl flip red/green, I will elim those, who have more and bigger mistakes.

this feels like an actual townie with principles, as opposed to scum twisting principles
this is kinda just a viberead but I'm fine having vibereads
While I don't think having bad reads is entirely a scumtell I appreciate Wiki's attempt to be firm about it

Not very useful principle though. Mafia has perfect reads after all.

It is very useful. It prevents townies from playing like idiots. Some caution is not unnecessary. Remember all your bad games and think what was done wrong and why. There is no need in fast decisions.

[Wiki]

Dwlee is playing very strongly towards his town meta. Once he has more posts I’ll see if he exhibited the tell.

I have a feeling that he tries to pocket Andre, if they are not together.

Andre votes Dwlee.
Dwlee votes Ico (for 2 first posts?).
Andre says Datisi and A50 are scums, Ico is town.
Dwlee says that his opinion is opposite, so Andre can be a scum.
Then Dwlee immediately changes his opinion: Ico is a townie, Datisi is a scum. Andre is town too for him, just logics. He has read 3 pages in short time to change all of it. He had no reason to tr Andre so fast with so opposite opinion, Andre should be very suspicious for him.

What does it look like? I think this can be Dwlee pocketing Andre. He had no good reasons at all to make such conclusions so fast. It doesnt matter Andre was right or not. Though Andre said Dwlee is town after all...

I recommend to reread this conversation, the timings are interesting. From page 3, post #69.

[Wiki]

Or maybe...
If Ico is a scum with Dwlee...
Andre votes Dwlee. Dwlee decides to bus his partner Ico. But after that Andre says Ico is a townie and it seems that he doesn't think DW is a scum, so DW is so glad to support Andre's wrong opinion...

However she have the same thoughts and feelings as in this post, so she can be a townie:

basicly all of dwlee's posts make me go all

[Wiki]

However she have the same thoughts and feelings as in this post, so she can be a townie

Not she have, but I have the same feelings

[Wiki]

I have enough experience in this game.

[Wiki]

Dozens of games, if you are so interested.

[Wiki]

Maybe hundreds.

[Wiki]

They can bus not because of this, just as rvs. The point is how fast they(Dwlee) have changed their mind and with what reasons... This is strange.

[Wiki]

Now he is not so agressive, huh?
What do you think, Andre?

[Wiki]

Sorry, "they" instead of "he".

[Wiki]

Wiki is scum af but we play with datisi first

[Wiki]

Wiki I don't know you

Why do you expect me to have the same amount of aggression to you and someone I've played with and have a baseline expectation of how they play and who I don't scumread yet

Facepalm.

[Wiki]

What does this mean

Andre said you are townie for agression to everybody.
But when you've got additional votes, you started meow meow meow with everybody to stop elimination.
All your agression was fake, like I said earlier.

[Wiki]

How is Gera friend to you more than Datisi or me is another interesting question.

[Wiki]

Perhaps.

I don't see why town would beg for more people to town tell on page 8, but maybe that's just me.

Scummy post.

[Wiki]

I will explain later.

[Wiki]

I will explain later.

[Wiki]

Well just dont think that I just scream "omg scummy" to you.
Just think hard what can be wrong with your post, if you are a townie.

[Wiki]

I can say easily that I'll explain later if it is not ok to discuss it now.
Btw, Andre said that he will explain later why he scumreads A50. So what? You are interested only in case about you?

[Wiki]

Im not voting you with "I'll explain later". Though your reaction now is really bad

[Wiki]

Bad Wiki.

So Dwlee probably is town then.

If any of them are mafia, most likely the other person is not...unless Wiki is another person reincarnated. Which would be very awkward

This is a bad conclusion. Why are you so sure that we cannot be two townies both? It doesnt prevent me from elimination Dwlee though, like I said.

[Wiki]

i mean strictly Datisi is more of a friend in an out of game sense than either you or Gera. I don't really scumread Gera though, and there seemed to be reason to pressure Datisi into hopefully towning it up (I find town!datisi quickly normally) so i wanted to do that. You on the other hand are scummy and if you are town your philosophy on playing mafia sucks

1. So your friend votes you, you consider her not a scum even now... It means that she can be expert of finding your side. And she votes you... Your town friend votes you, she knows you good... Well, what does it mean...
2. Of course you dont scumread Gera. This is so funny to hear. Look at her ISO. 2 almost empty posts. It seems that you just know her side, that's why it is not suspicious for you.

[Wiki]

I can say easily that I'll explain later if it is not ok to discuss it now.
Btw, Andre said that he will explain later why he scumreads A50. So what? You are interested only in case about you?

Yes? You just said I was scummy. If you're just going to shit fight instead of explaining your reads then you have no value to town.

Im not voting you with "I'll explain later". Though your reaction now is really bad

Wanting to know why something is scummy is not a bad reaction. Get your head out of your ass.

Jesus. Whats wrong with you?

[Wiki]

You on the other hand are scummy and if you are town your philosophy on playing mafia sucks

Have you ever seen professional mafia sport competitions?

[Wiki]

kinda feeling selynee is scummy at start of page 6, her posting so far seems like mostly aimless questions with little-to-no follow up

I didnt like the moment when she tried to push the idea, that there is 1 scum in Dwlee and Wiki. There is not enough info for that, I said that they can be a townie. She could say it as a scum hoping that both these guys will be elimed one after another, ignoring that we are not 100% sure about each other.

Btw, she wasnt first who said that, Three was the first, she continued his thought, repeated it, but he made this conclusion easy from his thoughts and was very emotional. So her post is stranger.

The only thing I need to know now is Three experienced alt or just a new player with the lack of experience? Because only in the second case I can believe he really doesnt understand and truly reacts so much...

[Wiki]

I prefer to ignore many things. This is my style. I didnt think you are waiting my answer on 167.

[Wiki]

what are you even talking about here? who's "she"?

He. Gera is he. Sorry

[Wiki]

uh, neither of them said that? i'm assuming you're talking about 208 and 213 - both of these posts are saying "if one of wiki/dwlee is scum, the other is town", neither is saying that there *has* to be scum between you two?

Lolwhat? But this is the same thing.

[Wiki]

Ah, ok, I get it.

[Wiki]

Bad Wiki.

So Dwlee probably is town then.

...What are you talking about? I didn't say anything about either of your alignments at the time.

Where is your head now?

Dont talk to me, if you are a townie.
And your post was scummy, because you even didnt think about townie roles. Thats why.
For god sake.

And I consider you more town now because of your rude words, if you are interested. Though it is not a fair play. And I still think that you have huge overreaction on my "scummy post", but Im not a doctor to understand what is going on with you

About mafia team telling me to cool down... This is so stupid.

[Wiki]

Maybe smth like this now... not sure at all...

Town:
Daitsi, Ico, Gamma, Three, Andre/A50

Scums:
Dwlee? Selynee? Just feeling about her, no good arguments for now. If Datisi is town, she is in deep shadows.

T3 is strange, I thought a lot about his post "This is so dumb", where he said he lied about editions in Wiki. Maybe a scum would do that in other way, with some conclusion about me. Is it to become more townie? Meh. He had just a genuine reaction with no understanding, with no ideas. But maybe I just thought about that too much and it is doesnt matter

[Wiki]

Daitsi, Ico, Gamma, Three, Andre/A50

This actually feels quite solid
Only slot I’m even vaguely questioning is A50 and he’s active at least, so he should be readable as time passses

Oh, Im not sure at all in anybody.
There could be mistakes.
And you are so nice to me and nobody considers you are town...
Well, maybe I have a lot of mistakes.
You even dont care that people in your vagon are ready to kill each other or they think in absolutely different directions not playing with each other... Smth is not Ok, but I'll think about it later.

Selynee, if you are town, you need to do smth, because you will be probably elimed this day, everybody can do it easily as you can see.

[Wiki]

Three, you didnt answer her question, because Datisi was talking about one thing, and I was talking about the other. And you said I see a good point. Maybe you meant the one I had qoted, idk...

[Wiki]

vagon

wagon

[Wiki]

UNVOTE:

[Wiki]

Selynee had a strange moment. When I brought my arguments about Dwlee, she liked only a post where I thought about Dwlee and Ico as a team of scums. If Ico is town, this is not a good moment for Selynee. And she can be with Dwlee after that... she is not fond of my arguments about him, but likes my thougts about Ico as possible scum. Hmmm.

[Wiki]

I like how Gamma is trying to unite townies. Even if they are enemies to each other.
But I have a huge paranoia what if Gamma is a scum, who unites townies with mafia.
I need your opinions about that.
As for me it is more townie thing right now.
Especially with growing suspicion to A50 now...

[Wiki]

I need to relax. For my meta and for possible defeat, not to try hard in a case of defeat. There should be nothing too complicated on the first day with no info. I dont like them most of all, so...
VOTE: Dwlee99

[Wiki]

You said I'm scum af. So lets fight till the end. If I die earlier and flip green, you should be elimed next. Hard vote untill you die.

[Wiki]

It doesnt make you a townie.
You are just thinking about saving yourself the whole day.

[Wiki]

Im not a townie for you, not even close, Im a scum af for you, especially if Datisi is town for you, but you are talking with me like with townie. With no arguments why anything changes for you. It is not townie thinking. You have no your own opinion, just repeating after Andre and Datisi. And why the hell if it wasnt working last time, now the situation is the same with tvt? No tvt. You die or we both die.

[Wiki]

Zero efficiency. Fake activity. No searching for scums. Just attempts to defend themselves. Elim Dwlee now, go fast night.

[Wiki]

Garbage

[Wiki]

See? Still defending themselves. So agressive townie play huh

[Wiki]

I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

[Wiki]

Hard claim

[Wiki]

Hard claim 2

[Wiki]

So you are agree, that you are Mafia goon. You see the problem only in the mechanics of my role. That means that you are mafia and your reaction on my claim is too bad. Easy first scum.

[Wiki]

Where'd you go wiki

I go sleeping.

[Wiki]

And yes, I think Selynee is possible Scum and Three is onto something.

Three was very rude in a couple of moments.
Im not sure mafia on this forum plays like this especially on the first day.
Am I wrong?
Moreover the rules on mafiascum are rather strict.

But he can be a scum only if to ignore this rude reaction. This is rather strong move for mafia.

[Wiki]

So am I mafia?

[Wiki]

I dont know too...

[Wiki]

Thats why I am asking

[Wiki]

I will be later. Too much work

[Wiki]

Wiki  66 posts
Dwlee99  59 posts
Iconeum 51 posts
T3 43 posts
Andresvmb  33 posts
Datisi  32 posts
Gamma 28 posts
Three 22 posts
Selynee  22 posts
Almost50 16 posts
geraintm 2 posts
Dorsey 1 posts
IOnlyAskWhy 0 posts

I will never believe that the whole mafia team is at the bottom of activity list, playing absolutely silently.

[Wiki]

Gamma, I need your explanations about your confidence about every of your solid townies.

[Wiki]

Dont elim Gera.
I'm not sure that scums usually say smth like that on day one with no big pressure on them: "if wiki retracts this claim at all, will vote for them untill they are gone from the game"

I dont like some votes and reactions after that. But right now I have no time to read

[Wiki]

Just think a bit why the scum Gera need to write this? If he reads the game, he knows what ppl think about the claim and Wiki. If he reads badly, it doesnt mean he is a scum. He confessed he doesnt read much. So either he is suicidal mafia, or he can be anyone. These principles can be townie. Not 100% of course

[Wiki]

Wiki  66 posts
Dwlee99  59 posts
Iconeum 51 posts
T3 43 posts
Andresvmb  33 posts
Datisi  32 posts
Gamma 28 posts
Three 22 posts
Selynee  22 posts
Almost50 16 posts
geraintm 2 posts
Dorsey 1 posts
IOnlyAskWhy 0 posts

I will never believe that the whole mafia team is at the bottom of activity list, playing absolutely silently.

Ty for bringing this to my attention Gamma.

Yea this is a bad assumption. Scum play here is complete hit or miss for some people and sometimes scum just lay completely low

Bull...
Such a team doesnt exist and has never existed in any games.

[Wiki]

Just think a bit why the scum Gera need to write this? If he reads the game, he knows what ppl think about the claim and Wiki. If he reads badly, it doesnt mean he is a scum. He confessed he doesnt read much. So either he is suicidal mafia, or he can be anyone. These principles can be townie. Not 100% of course

i barely read the game.
my 2nd post had like...7 pages between it and my first and then my 3rd post had 9 more pages.
as i consider Day 1 useless, and this game i know people will be especially useless Day 1....i aint going to pay too much attention. but if i see someone hard claim something i am just going to accept it.

Town post. Many scums are voting Gera.
This is not to elim Selynee, if she is a scum. Im not sure about her though.

[Wiki]

So funny how Dwlee99 is trying to show how he is searching scums the second day in row. Just look at his fake attempts. Check his iso. Today. And remember how he was looking for scums yesterday, telling to everyone, that he has a nice plan for win. Ansolutely useless activity. What he has done already? Nothing useful. This is not a townie.
I will check later who saw us as tvt.
This funny list he made today and repeating it pn new page to show how useful he is, lol.

Dwlee is mafia, and there are maximum 1 mafia in people with 0-1-2 posts in my list. He didnt like my idea, that mafia are among actove players too, though he has no reasons at all to argue with me in that.

[Wiki]

Not dealing with jail

Wiki

Dwlee99
Iconeum
Datisi
Andresvmb

T3
Selynee (preflips)
Three

Gamma Emerald
Almost50
Dorsey

Salsabil Faria
geraintm

Pedit: there's 4 scum, 6 is a fine pool to be looking in, here's where I'm at though

Quoting for new page
Gamma if you're town do you think bottom 4 wins?

Just look. Is it not funny?

[Wiki]

Datisi is not town for me. He can be with Dwlee or even darker. Maybe flipping colors will change my mind.

[Wiki]

Scums: Dwlee, Datisi.

[Wiki]

Datisi is not town for me. He can be with Dwlee or even darker. Maybe flipping colors will change my mind.

You can’t possibly think that everyone questioning you is Scum. This is a bit childish.

Datisi defends Dwlee. Scum thing.
Dont play with them on bad and weak reasons, if you are a townie.

[Wiki]

Scums: Gamma, Dwlee, Datisi.

[Wiki]

Scums: Gamma, Dwlee, Datisi, Dorsey. I will play this.

[Wiki]

I changed my opinion.
Scums: Datisi, Selynee, Dwlee.
Three is town. T3 and Andre can be towns if they are not bussing much with partners. Gera should be town.

[Wiki]

Now I go to sleep

[Wiki]

I changed my opinion.
Scums: Datisi, Selynee, Dwlee.
Three is town. T3 and Andre can be towns if they are not bussing much with partners. Gera should be town.

What changed ur opinion on me

Your mom.

[Wiki]

[Wiki]

Gera should be town.

Can you explain please?

Selynee (5) - Almost50, Three, Datisi, Iconeum T3

UNVOTE:
actually not sure how much of a fan of this wagon i am
a50 is shitposting and not really doing anything, three had that weird post towards sel that i thought was bad-faithy, and t3's hop on is weirdly out of the blue

let's try uhhh
one two seven VOTE: three

daycop isn't a normal role, pretty sure someone has said that already
VOTE: geraintm

I think Datisi tried to save Selynee here. Though he is unlikely together with Three, Im not so sure about Gera. But in that moment Datisi could be looking for whom to push much instead of his partner Selynee.

[Wiki]

249? So what?

[Wiki]

Maybe Salsa is a scum with Datisi, Sely, Dwlee.

[Wiki]

Im not LQ btw

[Wiki]

Seems dangerous

[Wiki]

249? So what?

Actually I didn't realize the post number was after, sorry about that.
But you seem independently scummy, my vote stays.

No please no im innocent please

[Wiki]

249? So what?

Actually I didn't realize the post number was after, sorry about that.
But you seem independently scummy, my vote stays.

Mindblowing. You just didnt read neither my post, nor Datisi's. Nevertheless you tried to protect him with using his vote to Seny (like "do you see this? he is not with her, he is voting her!")... And the strangest thing here, that when you are realised your mistake, that you completely hadnt understood the argument about Datisi, you still have no doubts that im a scum. Logics is dead.

[Wiki]

Scums: Gamma, Dwlee, Datisi.

do you have some kind of wacky post restriction that only allows you to post townreads as scumreads?

i don't even know

if you'd be nulling datisi, i could get that
if you'd be nulling gamma, i could get that
Dwlee has been playing a pattern that points to them being town, not scum. You even faked a guilty to some extent… why do you want them out?

why datisi is so town for you?
if he is a scum, is it not suspicious that they consider him a town?

i dont trust anybody's metareading much.

[Wiki]

Better give some thoughts

[Wiki]

Selynee, how many mafia-games has you plaid in your life?

[Wiki]

Played^

[Wiki]

Im too lazy for now to check your old games and I know that meta can be very tricky.

But what do you think about yourself are you playing absolutely the same like in previous games?

[Wiki]

Hmm...I actually don't know...7-8? around there.

Well, I've tried to be more involved. That's actually high activity for me. Also, I'd say as far as reasoning goes, yes. But maybe not...I mean I was never really seriously SR day one. I was usually either vigged or endgamed. With one exception from what can I remember. So, that's new.

7-8 only here? Or somewhere else?

[Wiki]

Do you want to play with a scum role?

[Wiki]

Selynee... who are townies here? At least 3 nicknames.

[Wiki]

Either overconfident mafia trying to go for "mafia will never vote themselves"

"mafia will never say "I never rolled mafia"", huh?

[Wiki]

you, Gamma...Andreas, though that's not something I'd bet my house on.

So you bet your house on Gamma is town. Interesting.

[Wiki]

There were some posts about "scum would not do that" not long time ago (Wiki about Three; ppl about Wiki and some other examples). I won't be surprised if team mafia decided to play a game "do smth scums never do" after that talking, even acompetion between them... And here we are. Seny confessed she never rolled a scum, A50 is voting himself, Salsa is having fun like a scum, Gera attacks me suicidally with no sense, Dorsey attacks Datisi even not playing at all, and T3 bets his house on townie newbie Dorsey, who almost said nothing... Not strong examples, very different in weight, but...

[Wiki]

No, no, i dont think that you lied about that in fact. It seems you didnt.
My point was another thing: if you are mafia, it sounds like mafia on any slot wouldnt point on this fact (you even rolled eyes, like you are happy about this argument in your own defense). Because many players can believe that if you never rolled scum before, you would have more chances to get it at last every new time. Just statistics.
So the question is - was it your easy townie or tricky scummy confession...

And did you lie about not wishing to get a mafia role... Thats what i need to think about more...

Btw, I would like to hear reasons why Gamma is so solid town for you.
This is strange that you are an expert about his game.
Look at this info: he has 57000 posts, you have only 300 for years of playing, for years... And he is a top solid town for you on the first pages of the game.
No doubts he is a very experienced player. He had eaten all fuckin dinosaurs long time before you was born. He might be the devil himself.
And. You. Have. No. Doubts. He. Is. A. Town.
Why?

[Wiki]

It is not shadow throwing, you understand it wrong, Gamma.
Are you not interested in her reasons to play with you?
You should be interested in understanding her opinion, she is far not town for you.

[Wiki]

Gamma, are you one person on this acc? If no, does it mean you can switch during the game?

[Wiki]

Maybe I shouldnt ask this, you can ignore.

[Wiki]

the issue with this is that this is assuming that i decided to shitpush my partner for ??? reasons and then unvote her based on the "hurr durr wagon is too fast" excuse, when like, i could have just *not* voted her in the first place when i saw there was votes on her already.

Weak

now i know a response to this can be "but self meta bad" and my point showing that wiki should get his head out of his ass, because the mad tunnelling on dwlee (which was underexplained) and me (for daring to question his reasoning) is gonna result in confbiased as hell reads. and i want to work with my townreads, especially considering i don't have many of them and that this is a game with 4 scum. i don't wanna be forced to ignore you. so can you try to work with me?

Repeating about the head in the ass, nice. Easy conftown now. Who is next?

584 did make me wonder if i'm getting white-knighted. thonk.

Really bad argument, talking about Seny.

Nah, I dont feel we will work together in this game.

"Andre help me" - this is funny quote too. Nothing scummy, isnt ut?

[Wiki]

I will say the reasons why you are a scum later, I dont need to hurry. Some arguments are good, but I need other mafia scums to do the same mistakes you did. If I tell everything now, the others from your team will avoid some mines, you've already stepped on.
There is a chance that i'm mistaking and it can be hard to elim you on day one, so all of these reasons tell me not to hurry with you right now.

However you are a nice target for some night abilities, arent you?

[Wiki]

Good night.

[Wiki]

Salsa, dont play only using meta. It is not reliably at all. It works mostly only with noobs and until they decide to try hard to copy their meta or play in different styles every game not depending on their role. I know many players who love scum role so much and meta usually doesnt work, their game is so balanced. It is better to use logics in every moment of reading a person.

[Wiki]

why are you ing at that? like, explain to me why fakeclaiming daycop is scummy.

you are so scum datisi.

[Wiki]

that doesn't answer my question. i get that daycop isn't a normal role. but why is fakeclaiming it scummy.

easy to provide the answer to this, but you even dont think about possible answer to this, u just know im townie and tryin to pocket

[Wiki]

No. There is the more logical answer, why usually this is a scummy thing.
And I so dont like, when someone is pretending stupid.

[Wiki]

"Lie is a bad thing" - this is a newbie level of thinking.
More important what does it mean on the next levels.
What aims do scums have?
Everything they are doing is forced by their aims.
What aim to fakeclaim early?
I would think firstly that this a very scummy thing for one strong reason.
But nobody here thinks about it.
And Datisi's words that this is obv towns action - are the most suspicious reaction for now. Because it definitely not obv if to think about it really, about all options, looking on the situation from pov of possible scum!wiki. What aim can he have in this moment? What does scum!wiki need to achieve/know?
U dont think about it, u are pretending stupid , defending me like it is obv cannot be scum. This is not true


I have no time to talk now ugh

[Wiki]

No. There is the more logical answer, why usually this is a scummy thing.
And I so dont like, when someone is pretending stupid.

VOTE: wiki

?

[Wiki]

U dont understand, ico

[Wiki]

16k posts
Probably you should understand, playing so much...
Ico is susp too from now

[Wiki]

Dwlee, Datisi, Ico? If so, gamma easily can be a scum for huge mistakes

[Wiki]

16k posts
Probably you should understand, playing so much...
Ico is susp too from now

great call, linking someone's skill level to number of posts

U just know enough about scum's thinking and you are pretending stupid like Datisi is doing now

[Wiki]

U dont understand, ico

i rarely understand

explain it to me like i'm 5?

Ok, i will say it loud.
If scum fakeclaims a cop, it helps scums to find a cop bc of the reactions of players after that.
Scums wish to find a cop or any important town role to kill it ASAP.
So fakeclaiming can be easily a scum thing.
But nobody thinks about it now and some experinced players like Datisi and Ico are even pretending that this is obv town's action, not thinking about how dangerous it is. Because they probably need any arguments to pocket me, knowing my color.

Comparing with Gamma: he does think that i can be a scum only for fakeclaiming, and this is ok. But at the same time Datisi says that fakeclaing cannot be scummy. This is is not ok. He cannot be so stupid about that in my opinion.

This is the point.

[Wiki]

why are you ing at that? like, explain to me why fakeclaiming daycop is scummy.

[Wiki]

He see no reasons to think that fakeclaiming is scummy because he is trying to pocket me.
If he was town, he wouldn't be so sure that fakeclaiming is not scummy. He would think about all possibilities.

[Wiki]

U dont understand, ico

i rarely understand

explain it to me like i'm 5?

Ok, i will say it loud.
If scum fakeclaims a cop, it helps scums to find a cop bc of the reactions of players after that.
Scums wish to find a cop or any important town role to kill it ASAP.
So fakeclaiming can be easily a scum thing.
But nobody thinks about it now and some experinced players like Datisi and Ico are even pretending that this is obv town's action, not thinking about how dangerous it is. Because they probably need any arguments to pocket me, knowing my color.

Comparing with Gamma: he does think that i can be a scum only for fakeclaiming, and this is ok. But at the same time Datisi says that fakeclaing cannot be scummy. This is is not ok. He cannot be so stupid about that in my opinion.

This is the point.

ok

so

imagine a world where scum fakeclaim a cop - then a town cop counterclaims. what do you think happens to the first claim?

ico, i have hundreds of games
i understand this perfectly
why you post this i dont understand
i think you still dont get it

[Wiki]

datisi with ico is possible

[Wiki]

Wiki, I get what you're saying here. But why can't Datisi be town who considered that you could be scum fake claiming, but then figured you were just a flailing townie?

strange question. ok, show me a moment when datisi considers me scum

[Wiki]

yeah his second rvs is so important, it should be quoted of course

of all you've quoted only this makes sense "would probably have been voting her, had wiki not been as scummy as he's being"

[Wiki]

Datisi, give your trs

[Wiki]

Dozens of games, if you are so interested.

Lots of vague answers.

Okay, fine. I’ll assume you’re experienced but I won’t ask you to point to other games you’ve played in because it’s clear you don’t want to share that, which means you want to be viewed purely through your play in this game. Though I can accept that, it still leaves open the question as to why you’re so happy to discredit DW’s skills as Town when from my personal experience, they’re definitely better than average.

Wow Andres you're flattering me

Dwlee, was it strange for you?

[Wiki]

Townping from Selynee tho

basicly all of dwlee's posts make me go all
facepalm

i don't like you

i don't like you

Not a reason to SR someone. If anything, DW’s start is more Town indicative than not.

i don't need to fully scumread someone to vote their asses in this stage of the game, now do i

andres and wiki

i'd also townbin these 2, and by extention give some town cred to dwlee then and just trust on andres a bit.
GE's opening is fine to me.
Datisi i just *wanna* townread ya know
I have no clue on how to read T3 here

no other notable shotgun reads come to mind

VOTE: selynee
yeah

Scums: Gamma, Dwlee, Datisi.

do you have some kind of wacky post restriction that only allows you to post townreads as scumreads?

i don't even know

if you'd be nulling datisi, i could get that
if you'd be nulling gamma, i could get that
Dwlee has been playing a pattern that points to them being town, not scum. You even faked a guilty to some extent… why do you want them out?

we're all seeing wiki's nonsensical lists, but are they scummy? i don't think so?

No. There is the more logical answer, why usually this is a scummy thing.
And I so dont like, when someone is pretending stupid.

VOTE: wiki

look at these posts in chronology
1. ico forgot that selynee has townpings for him (#65), ico voted sely after saying this (#354) with no reasons. this was the moment when wiki claimed a cop, ico voted wiki, then he saw that there is no sense to do it and he voted to sely, but he forgot that he considers sely to be town for him!
2. ico forgot that most of the way wiki is town for ico, ico is voting wiki. i didnt care about it in the moment when i was a fakecop, but now after all you've said about townreading you and with no much your townreading datisi your new vote to me is suspicious very much!
3. ico didnt like dwlee much (#86, 98), then he changed his mind listening to andre very much (#108) and dwlee somehow become lock town for him (#589), dwlee is more town for him than datisi and gamma!
4. if dwlee is not a scum for ico, ico either has no srs, or his srs are: dorsey,gera,salsa,t3,three as remainder. but ico doesnt vote in this sector, he votes players who are/were townies for him!

VOTE: Iconeum
i need to change my srs, need some time
ico is mafia

andre-datisi-gamma - at least one scum is here, because all of them tred ico

[Wiki]

So why’d you vote him

good question

[Wiki]

but now after all you've said about townreading you

...townreading me

[Wiki]

Ico trs: seny,andre,wiki,gamma,datisi,a50, dwlee (firstly he sred him).
Ico's votes: datisi,a50,dwlee,wiki,sely,wiki

Ico is mafia

[Wiki]

This seems like a decent post

pocketing a50?

[Wiki]

Who, Sely? Don’t exactly think so. I think the point about getting reactions from the self vote is smart.

ignore, i was confused and thought it was a post of Ico, not Sely. yeah, sely is not bad sometime

[Wiki]

Elim Ico

Check/block/shoot or smth here: Datisi/Salsa.

[Wiki]

So only Gamma understands with me, that Ico is mafia here?
Once again:

Townping from Selynee tho

basicly all of dwlee's posts make me go all
facepalm

i don't like you

i don't like you

Not a reason to SR someone. If anything, DW’s start is more Town indicative than not.

i don't need to fully scumread someone to vote their asses in this stage of the game, now do i

andres and wiki

i'd also townbin these 2, and by extention give some town cred to dwlee then and just trust on andres a bit.
GE's opening is fine to me.
Datisi i just *wanna* townread ya know
I have no clue on how to read T3 here

no other notable shotgun reads come to mind

VOTE: selynee
yeah

Scums: Gamma, Dwlee, Datisi.

do you have some kind of wacky post restriction that only allows you to post townreads as scumreads?

i don't even know

if you'd be nulling datisi, i could get that
if you'd be nulling gamma, i could get that
Dwlee has been playing a pattern that points to them being town, not scum. You even faked a guilty to some extent… why do you want them out?

we're all seeing wiki's nonsensical lists, but are they scummy? i don't think so?

No. There is the more logical answer, why usually this is a scummy thing.
And I so dont like, when someone is pretending stupid.

VOTE: wiki

look at these posts in chronology
1. ico forgot that selynee has townpings for him (#65), ico voted sely after saying this (#354) with no reasons. this was the moment when wiki claimed a cop, ico voted wiki, then he saw that there is no sense to do it and he voted to sely, but he forgot that he considers sely to be town for him!
2. ico forgot that most of the way wiki is town for ico, ico is voting wiki. i didnt care about it in the moment when i was a fakecop, but now after all you've said about townreading me and with no much your townreading datisi your new vote to me is suspicious very much!
3. ico didnt like dwlee much (#86, 98), then he changed his mind listening to andre very much (#108) and dwlee somehow become lock town for him (#589), dwlee is more town for him than datisi and gamma!
4. if dwlee is not a scum for ico, ico either has no srs, or his srs are: dorsey,gera,salsa,t3,three as remainder. but ico doesnt vote in this sector, he votes players who are/were townies for him!

VOTE: Iconeum
i need to change my srs, need some time
ico is mafia

andre-datisi-gamma - at least one scum is here, because all of them tred ico

Ico trs: seny,andre,wiki,gamma,datisi,a50, dwlee (firstly he sred him).
Ico's votes: datisi,a50,dwlee,wiki,sely,wiki

Ico is mafia

i can wait before everybody understands this

Btw dwlee is with ico, iforgot that ico is townie for him too and now he defends ico talking about how stupid i am, "dont listen to wiki", etc

[Wiki]

So scums: Ico, Dwlee,... +smb from Datisi/Andre/maybe even Gamma (unvoted from ico lol). And some of the silent players or maybe salsa

[Wiki]

756 is a dumpsterfire
does everyone understand why it's a dumpsterfire? i don't have to waste 20 minutes of my life explaining it? good, let's move on

Ok.
Scums: ico, datisi, dwlee...

[Wiki]

dwlee, andres, ico, unfortunately you, and townleans on sel and gera

and for this dwlee-ico datisi is scum too

[Wiki]

Datisi sred a bit: ico, seny, gera...
Now datisi trs them.

[Wiki]

We have facts.
Ico forgot his own opinion about players.
He trs them, then votes them with no any sense (seny; wiki).
This doesnt make any srnse for a townie.
Ico is a scum.

[Wiki]

I dont know what gamma sees good in Salsa.
I dont care.
Scums: Ico, Dwlee, Datisi, Salsa.
Go fast hammer smb and fast night.

[Wiki]

Im ready to elim any of them: ico, dwlee, datisi, salsa.
Should i vote salsa now?

[Wiki]

Wiki's logic to scum hunt is not helping town ⇨ helping scum

I will hammer you for this. Remember this.

[Wiki]

I repeat again: Ico forgot his own opinion, voting Sely and me. He votes people who are townies for him, and these are not first rvs votes at all. This is 100% mafia behaviour.

[Wiki]

it's called re-evaluating

It is not traceable through your posts.

[Wiki]

making ridiculous arguments

The arguments about Ico are solid and right.

[Wiki]

Andre, there is nothing ridiculous here:

I repeat again: Ico forgot his own opinion, voting Sely and me. He votes people who are townies for him, and these are not first rvs votes at all. This is 100% mafia behaviour.

[Wiki]

making ridiculous arguments

The arguments about Ico are solid and right.

Your argument with Datisi was plainly absurd. And calling them stupid was completely unwarranted. They very clearly weren’t saying that all people that fake claim are Town, but that yours had come across as Towny. I thought of it the same way but you didn’t call me stupid.

Andre,
Andre,
Andre,
The only thing is important now is here:

Andre, there is nothing ridiculous here:

I repeat again: Ico forgot his own opinion, voting Sely and me. He votes people who are townies for him, and these are not first rvs votes at all. This is 100% mafia behaviour.

There is nothing ridiculouse in this.

[Wiki]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria 

[Wiki]

Dorsey, vote Salsa

[Wiki]

You’re talking to me as if you know my alignment. I am clearly re-evaluating your slot (and you’ve constantly hinted at me being Scummy btw) but now you feel the need to try and convince me of the one particular read you have? Why?

You are town mostly to anybody and Ico was changing opinion immediately just watching to your mouth (for example about dwlee). The only chance you are a scum with Ico is because you trs him.

[Wiki]

Listen towns, you want to eliminate me, np! But for the greater good, we should policy

Wiki

today.

UNVOTE: GE
VOTE: Wiki

Bye bye
U decided to die instead of scum Ico, i see no problems even if you are just green idiot

[Wiki]

You’re talking to me as if you know my alignment. I am clearly re-evaluating your slot (and you’ve constantly hinted at me being Scummy btw) but now you feel the need to try and convince me of the one particular read you have? Why?

You are town mostly to anybody and Ico was changing opinion immediately just watching to your mouth (for example about dwlee). The only chance you are a scum with Ico is because you trs him.

Okay but why do you think I’m Town to most everyone? Maybe because I am being really obvious? And why did you feel the constant need to shade me and then say this?

to shade when? I need to find mafia, it can be anybody, i found 1 mafia (Ico), and you consider he is town. What i need to think? If dwlee is mafia too (for shitposting after my "ico is mafia"), then you tred 2 mafia already. Two.

[Wiki]

Listen towns, you want to eliminate me, np! But for the greater good, we should policy

Wiki

today.

UNVOTE: GE
VOTE: Wiki

Bye bye
U decided to die instead of scum Ico, i see no problems even if you are just green idiot

How old are you btw?

31

[Wiki]

English is not my native too, obviously

[Wiki]

Then why are you acting like a child??

I see no problems with that, though i dont think that i play so

Btw, it'll be cleared after post game who is idiot or no

yeah yeah because u know players' sides

[Wiki]

Btw im not against of checking Gamma/Datisi. His unvoting is strange for me.

[Wiki]

I've green role pm.

[Wiki]

Time for the strongest arguments

[Wiki]

You have only 3 votes on you. Is it claiming in smth or what...

[Wiki]

Read upto page 5,

ico

seems scummy atm.

This is the only thing in Salsa's ISO about Ico.
This scummy af that after my arguments about "Ico is mafia" Salsa began her war campaign against Wiki, repeating many times how idiot i am.
Ico is not town for you.
You cannot be green after that sereiously

[Wiki]

Wiki is town for you.
Ico is possible scum for you.
Wiki says "Ico is scum 100%, because of forgeting his opinion and voting only his own townreads".
Town!Salsa shouldnt react on that in that way, that wiki is idiot.
Ico can be scum for you .
But now YOU forgot you own opinion about ico.

[Wiki]

Guys, play logically. Does anybody of you vote people that you townread? Ico and Salsa do that. Is it townie thinking? These votes are serious, not rvs. Who of you is doing that, when you are townie? Just think about it, imagine yourself on their place.

This is a good argument from professional games. And just logics.
You cannot vote people who are also your townreads for you in that moment. Nobody do that.

The only townie reason for salsa to do that is to consider wiki is totally wrong about Ico. Buuuuut Salsa cannot be angry on Wiki considering Ico is a scum, bc Ico was very possible scum for Salsa, and Wiki is solid town for Salsa (this is from her whole ISO). It doesnt make sense to think like town!Salsa.

[Wiki]

One more thing from professional mafia games.

Then vote me!

VOTE: Salsa
Cool

Good job!

Salsa cannot be an important townie role like a cop because of these two posts.
So we have no problems to hang her.
Even if she tries to fakeclaim.

Maybe it can be smth like neighbour. This is the only thing that can explain some strange thinking of Salsa

[Wiki]

Salsa, you have no scums in this game. You want to elim only people, who are town for you. Townies dont think like that.
Ico do the same.
You cannot be so sure about my wrong position about Ico. Only if you are a scum, you can see that Ico is town, and im an idiot forcing town, but Ico is not town for you. Ico can be scum for you. So your position in this game is fantastic mess with no opinion except Wiki and Dwlee are town idiots who need to be elimed. Why idiots? I attack your scummy Ico. You cannot think im idiot. You cant. There is no serious explanaition for that

[Wiki]

There is a little chance that you are a town.
In that case instead of shitposting about how idiot i am please explain:
1) why i am wrong about ico? Is ico townie for u now?
2) find at least 1 scum and prove it

[Wiki]

I can tell you're idiot because your lOgIcS are idiotic

explain why

[Wiki]

About ico

[Wiki]

16k posts
Probably you should understand, playing so much...
Ico is susp too from now

wiki
you do realize that you have the most posts per day of anyone onsite
and you signed up in the newbie queue so you're not an alt

So what? The amount of posts was mentioned for reason: experience of the player who knows that scums want to find towns roles. Ugh, it doesnt matter now, im lazy to talk about this more. And datisi was susp not because of tone

[Wiki]

(generally) not true

(generally) players are noobs

[Wiki]

So with noobs it is working until they start trying hard

[Wiki]

About ico

Google reevaluate

JUST WRITE IN WORDS YOUR EXPLANATION WHY MY LOGICS IS IDIOT ABOUT ICO.

[Wiki]

reevaluate - it was argument about datisi, you are repeating the wrong argument with no understanding at all for godsake

[Wiki]

About ico

Google reevaluate

JUST WRITE IN WORDS YOUR EXPLANATION WHY MY LOGICS IS IDIOT ABOUT ICO.

Google reevaluate

Does somebody understand what she means and how is it connected with "wiki's logic about ico is bad"?

[Wiki]

T3 you said this makes sense (andre treads a50), now you say we should run up a50. Does "run up" mean to elim?

[Wiki]

T3, what about ico and my arguments about ico?

[Wiki]

Im ok with elimination of Salsa.
The person doesnt want to explain anything at all.
Not town at all, scummy mistakes, burn this slot

[Wiki]

Ico is next on d2

[Wiki]

The towniest part of salsa here is that wiki wants her dead

Im mafia, we are bussing, relax

[Wiki]

if so, explain what's wrong with my logics about ico. im pretty sure ico is a scum

[Wiki]

Ico seems townie though

thats all? are you playing first time in this game? explain why ico is town

[Wiki]

why town!ico votes his townreads?

[Wiki]

i dont care you think im idiot
i need normal reasons for me to understand your logics
im like open book for all of you, i explain my thoughts
and you have nothing to say about ico, but having no explanation why he is a town doesnt prevents you to consider me idiot.
if i dont understand your reasoning, you are the scum with them

[Wiki]

or you are just a noob

[Wiki]

or you are just a noob

I have over a hundred games on this site alone dude

this sounds very bad for you lol

[Wiki]

Dwlee why not ico

[Wiki]

a50 is not with salsa bc of his reaction on her vote to him.
take it.
give me reasons about ico.
and please with no fucking meta. but at least explanation with meta if you dont know how to read people without it

[Wiki]

I don't believe in meta so you don't have to worry about that. It's the one thing I think we agree on.

so what the reason?

[Wiki]

i will hammer you

[Wiki]

How tho. You don't have 7 votes

i am patience itself

[Wiki]

or you are just a noob

I have over a hundred games on this site alone dude

this sounds very bad for you lol

Says the “professional mafia player” claiming a daycop guilty in a normal
PUH-LEASE

im too lazy to check wiki here, im usually dont play here, so
my claim was mostly for fun like rvs

[Wiki]

i was just having fun, i said before that that i need to relax and dont play seriously

[Wiki]

and also i was a bit angry bc of "wiki mafia af", but it doesnt matter. i knew at that moment that it was a beginning and i will change my mind like about hundred times. i wanted also to check the reaction of dwlee and the others. but most of all i had feeling that if scums are among active players like datisi-gamma (i didnt like the moment when you agreed with many towns in my list), this game can be rather difficult and maybe with low chances to win, so i didnt want to try hard at least on day 1.

all in all, later we'll have much more solid reasons to consider somebody scums, so we need just to wait strong info. like final votes, claims, etc.

[Wiki]

I dont understand why ico is so town for all of you.
I even checked his meta in couple of games. There is a difference.
There are no reason to think ico is solid town.

[Wiki]

Townies dont vote players who are townies for them.
Ico did it twice, forgeting his own opinion.
Thats it.
I see no good reasons to consider Ico is town.

[Wiki]

Dwlee, Salsa and Datisi defend Ico with no reasons at all.

[Wiki]

I dont understand why ico is so town for all of you.
I even checked his meta in couple of games. There is a difference.
There are no reason to think ico is solid town.

What is your meta case?

More searching for scums, better reasons, more text and analysis of different options

[Wiki]

I dont understand why ico is so town for all of you.
I even checked his meta in couple of games. There is a difference.
There are no reason to think ico is solid town.

What is your meta case?

More searching for scums, better reasons, more text and analysis of different options

That's...not particularly meta.

explain

[Wiki]

4 scums + 3 scum-friendly towns =

You are a scum for no explanation why ico is town for you.
You cannot provide reasons. You even cannot imagine them, so your opinion about ico is not real, it is fake.
And you also voted your townies, asking people to elim ppl, who are townies for you.
Only today you at last gave your list of scums: ge, t3...
But it seems like just "no, not me mafia, you mafia, you you you"

[Wiki]

I read those games' iso in the beginning. Dont think im idiot.
Ico has no searching for scums here, this is the fact for god sake.