Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[Dwlee99]

Picking the worst is a terrible idea because he should get night killed anyway. He is a doc claim in a Shea game.

[Dwlee99]

Stop putting TW in your suggestions for who to check, it makes less than zero sense

[Dwlee99]

Can I ask why we're no eliminating if we can kill Kazyan to test Gamma partially?

Like if Gamma is telling the truth, we want to kill Kazyan.

If Gamma is lying... we may still want to kill Kazyan, but we learn faster if the worst becomes town because of his doctor...

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


why no eliminate here?

Killing outside the trio rn is 2/9, but we want to kill outside the trio so we can get it 2/8 by no limming.

[Dwlee99]

I mean scum could hit a bulletproof or something ig

[Dwlee99]

So what you're saying is

Let's say hypothetically

I am an investigate

(hypothetical)

I should counterclaim?

[Dwlee99]

you should definitely not counter claim this if you're an investigative

okay thanks for clarifying

[Dwlee99]

if you thought gamma was scum, why also think that there would be a guaranteed scum lim tomorrow with a flip in the pair

From his perspective. Read who I'm talking to. I'm asking why Gamma wouldn't be voting between Kaz/Unwnd today. Instead he had his vote on meg

[Dwlee99]

But why move off? You should be voting in Kaz/Unwnd every time with that result

[Dwlee99]

My biggest hope is that an investigative role targets someone tonight and gives us info on the trio. That's why I think no lim is a decent option.

[Dwlee99]

I'd go gamma over Kazyan as well which is why I proposed no lim

[Dwlee99]

I'd go gamma over Kazyan as well which is why I proposed no lim

No lim is worse than a bad lim.

It actively denies town information.

Come on man, you know this.

But we are on evens

[Dwlee99]

How do people keep coming up with worse and worse ways to use the parity cop?

Anyway, gamma lim or no lim. That's still all I'm doing

[Dwlee99]

How do people keep coming up with worse and worse ways to use the parity cop?

Anyway, gamma lim or no lim. That's still all I'm doing

This is pretty goofy. There are probs 3 groupscum.

So?

[Dwlee99]

Also p sure that's hammer for no lim

[Dwlee99]

Why is she dead over worst or gamma

[Dwlee99]

im waiting for gammas latest results b4 i say what i want to do

This is a good idea

[Dwlee99]

I mean unwnd's not really wrong
VOTE: Gamma

[Dwlee99]

If I had a roleblocker and they weren't at risk of being eliminated I wouldn't kill the doctor there because I could always just roleblock them to perform whatever kill I want

[Dwlee99]

It is the only scenario where gamma is town here. If gamma is scum there's also no rush to kill the doctor either imo, it'd be better to take a shot at someone who could flip investigative.

[Dwlee99]

Okay? My point was that I wouldn't kill the doctor here

[Dwlee99]

^^

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: duckie

[Dwlee99]

Why are we talking about limming me over confscum, hello?

[Dwlee99]

Towncase on myself: I would never let my scum partner do something as game throwing as claim to have rolestopped gamma on night 2.

[Dwlee99]

I also offered to have me checked against LLD but I guess if I had a roleblocker I wouldn't care about that

[Dwlee99]

Towncase on myself: I would never let my scum partner do something as game throwing as claim to have rolestopped gamma on night 2.

Are you seriously expecting ME to buy that you wouldn't sit back and let a buddy make a boneheaded move?

ME?

Come on, man.

What was your boneheaded move in open draft? You got guiltied lmak

[Dwlee99]

Eh house you're just wrong

If we don't kill duckie today I'll have a fit

[Dwlee99]

I mean clearly duckie came into the thread with that planned. Right? And uh, I was on vacation I think but still able to post things before he did that. And so why would I go "yes, fakeclaim here to get the parity cop out that is already going to get limmed anyway." The only way that would happen would be with me kicking and screaming in the scum chat about how it was throwing

[Dwlee99]

You all think I suck at playing as scum or what

[Dwlee99]

dlee duckie was a dead duck walking as soon as he fake claimed protective to escape my just hunger

I wouldn't have approved of that either. I thought he would be NKd, that he wasn't would mean he was scum

[Dwlee99]

You all think I suck at playing as scum or what

do you have some amazing scum performances for us to look at or what

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65515

I won rising star once

I've also won every scum game I've played since May except for open draft where two of us got guiltied and the other got hard caught early. And of those I won I only didn't endgame once

[Dwlee99]

Okay fair but idk I'm certainly not that shit come on

[Dwlee99]

Idk either read my scum games since May and think I suck so I must be town here cause I think my posting is townie even though I've been wrong, or recognize I'm not bad and I wouldn't suggest hard throwing the game

[Dwlee99]

Now that I think about it both times I've said someone felt solvey so I townread them they were scum lol

[Dwlee99]

Duck would have had to be roleblocked N1 and gamma to hit an ascetic N2 for him to be town. He's just not town

[Dwlee99]

I target Dannflor last night so :shrug: at least I get mad cred for my doc skills post-game?

At least this is true

[Dwlee99]

Shea says bastard but he just wants to have license to do whatever he wants. He's not lying to players here and certainly not making mod errors

[Dwlee99]

is it possible that scum has like
a macho roleblocker

What would that do? Do you mean like a personal rolestopper?

[Dwlee99]

Or ig an alien is what you mean (combined rolestopper roleblock). Depending on priority it's possible the roleblock would resolve but I doubt that would get put in the game cause that's a nightmare interaction to have to resolve

[Dwlee99]

Ye flip duckie move next phase. I'd rather get vigged than limmed btw so if you're a vig and plan on trying to eliminate me please just shoot me instead tyvm

[Dwlee99]

If duckie flips town we are at 4 - 2 and then I'm the losing mislim aren't I. That would suck. But also, duck dies here

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
Gork what could you possibly mean

[Dwlee99]

First catch is early d1 attention to Pooky then just dunking him into nullreads is something I want to check out more.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

I want to flip LLD over the other viable wagons here because if LLD flips red, then I think that confirms Worst as town. I am convinced that the argument couldn't have been scum theater, if only because TSQ would have vetoed them when they considered in their PT.

This looks like scum watching a tvt fight but I am spoiled in this regard.

You know Kazyan is dead right

[Dwlee99]

Gork can you just say it please

[Dwlee99]

Gork pls

[Dwlee99]

I'm a JOAT

JOAT Deez— wait how does it go

[Dwlee99]

Gork I stg give your result on the worst

[Dwlee99]

Gork can you please claim the result

[Dwlee99]

i dont think it helps anything. i was probably wrong about what i thought.

Ahahhhshhshahaha

[Dwlee99]

I'm a VT since pooky claimed

[Dwlee99]

Megazu no cleaning why?

[Dwlee99]

Are we seriously toying with the idea that TWas rbed n1, scum no kill gambit, didn't use the gambit to do anything, and then has an ascetic between gamma's n2 targets?

Because thats the world if TW is town.

Seems far fetched

Agree

Waiting for people to check in, don't have much to add atp

[Dwlee99]

MegA who is third scum

[Dwlee99]

Well if they're town they might have an idea for third scum

[Dwlee99]

Okay Pooky

Why did you change your mind on me again? Or just mega bad

[Dwlee99]

Actually I thought about it more and the worst-kaz-third person could totally be a thing given the indirect defense of Kaz you've talked about

Hey I had this post

That I forgot about

Reminds me of white flag where I was like "enchant/guiltylion ???" and then just forgot about it and killed NM

[Dwlee99]

it's hard to imagine a scumbag defending themselves with "my scumgame isn't this garbage dude wtf"

like i cant think of a single townie thing you've done all game so you using that to defend yourself as "my scumgame isn't that fucking awful" rings kinda true to me i guess.

I don't think I've been scummy besides being very wrong apparently but I just wouldn't let my partners mech guilty themselves for a lim that was gonna happen. I think it might be Murdercat third cause he wouldn't around to slap sense into whatever Kazyan/worst were planning

[Dwlee99]

The worst, you townreading me feels so out of pocket rn

I feel like I'm missing something about how I towntold here when I have arguably done less since you scumread me cause I've been more busy

I wish I had a thing that locked me in when I was right

[Dwlee99]

duckie had to claim protective to not die on d2

kazyan was guiltied by a parity cop

its not like they had a choice

Well I had accidentally given scum the exact argument they could make about duck not getting night killed. Roleblocker blocks doctor, doctor doesn't need to die cause of it. So I would have told them to go with that cause then at least it wouldn't be two for one. I seriously don't get what the benefit of claiming that gamma was lying about no result is when he was pretty much certainly the lim anyway.

[Dwlee99]

anyone know any good jokes

How does Moses make his coffee?

[Dwlee99]

dang im stumped how

Hebrews it :^)

[Dwlee99]

Where is murderous kitten

[Dwlee99]

I think you're supposed to claim here MC

[Dwlee99]

I also did not realize House claimed BP

[Dwlee99]

Eh we have a scum dead, not that bad

[Dwlee99]

About to eat duck too yum

Who is unclaimed?

[Dwlee99]

Okay fair enough
VOTE: The worst
I trust gork on this because mega and gork can't be scum together so either gork is town and thinks mega shouldn't claim or is scum and mega is town so shouldn't claim.

[Dwlee99]

Holy shit I thought gork was starting to be weird

[Dwlee99]

Shea actually put a cult in the game, I cannot believe this

I knew the neighborhood was gonna have some funky stuff happening cause the theme but still

Also explains parity cop. Also unwnd can be scum still now

[Dwlee99]

Probably but who is cult leader

Maybe meg

[Dwlee99]

Mega you're probably cult leader aren't you

[Dwlee99]

Also I just realized I'm probably outnumbered, fuck.

How many nights have there been, four? So there's four cult? That can't be right, right? That would mean only 1 mafia left which doesn't make sense. But also I need to be recruited to win, but I probably get endgamed by cult and not recruited if we kill mafia here

[Dwlee99]

Okay I believe this is allowed: so I'm town, if you're cult and will recruit me so I win I'll side with you in voting out mafia. That is, let's say you have 3 people in the cult and therefore there are 2 mafia and me as the final town. If you claim cult I'll side with you to vote out the mafia with the understanding that I am culted tonight, as cult can functionally act as a masonry when it's all cult vs mafia.

[Dwlee99]

MegA being just consensus town for no reason makes so much more sense now lol

[Dwlee99]

Pooky are you town, cult, or mafia

[Dwlee99]

Wait I understand now

Mentee means the cult leader has ONE recruit. Not two. This is like a game I played once with a one-shot cult leader essentially (Murdercat will remember we destroyed together after he recruited me)

So 2 mafia, 1 cult, 3 town?
So we need to hit mafia today I think

[Dwlee99]

hahaha we no elimmed in a cult game

i love you shea

Read my last post

[Dwlee99]

Ah wait shit, the cult leader can recruit again tonight

[Dwlee99]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mentor

[Dwlee99]

Okay so kill mafia today we are 1 mafia 1 cult 3 town. Worst case scenario 1 - 2 - 1, best case 1 - 2 with cult leader being night killed by mafia. This could also be 1 - 3 depending on if a mentor can be recruited same night cult leader dies.

[Dwlee99]

meg if u promise to recruit me i will vote with u

No you'll probably lose to mafia, see my math

[Dwlee99]

We agree Meg is cult mentor right? So this means that mafia are forced to shoot them tonight and then we get into an ELO situation

[Dwlee99]

I guess 1 - 2 - 1 is just kingmaker townie. Townie either votes out cult and loses or votes out mafia and loses cause cult can't recruit a third.

[Dwlee99]

me, megazu, unwnd.

i think megazu is the only contentious slot worth potentially forcing to claim, but i dont really think theyre scum at this point and the less information scum has for this nightkill the more likely we can just hardsolve the game tomorrow if they make a suboptimal shot.

[Dwlee99]

Murdercat (he)

Dwlee99 (they)

Pookythemagicalbear (he)

ythan (he)

MegAzumarill (doesn't care)

House (he)

Here's my solve

How do we win as town with this solve now

[Dwlee99]

Ye you should be claiming lol

[Dwlee99]

If anyone has anything they think I should know while I catch up

There's a cult capped at 2 people and gork was probably recruited n1

[Dwlee99]

Pooky can you not make me paranoid you're the cult leader thx

[Dwlee99]

Okay who recruits gork? I have thoughts on this but lmk yours

[Dwlee99]

Kazyan flipped mafia tho

[Dwlee99]

Are you dumbtelling how cult works

Cult doesn't get a kill

[Dwlee99]

Can check a person for being cult/mason and see any items they have (in this game probably not the last one)

[Dwlee99]

Oh I'm the one dumbtelling lmao

[Dwlee99]

Well then where did the scum kill go last night

[Dwlee99]

Well then where did the scum kill go last night

Did scum not kill the mentee?

I highly doubt he was cannibalized for funsies.

The other scum kill

[Dwlee99]

If scum know who the cult leader is that's good for us I think

[Dwlee99]

Hm maybe house is CL and bulletproof was to try to avoid scum thinking of NK him

[Dwlee99]

Thanks for reminding me of that lol

[Dwlee99]

Also 1388 is way more "scum do this thing" than "specifically LLD does this thing" imo

[Dwlee99]

Aw I appreciate that

I'm gonna accept the non-CL pocket, but you could still be mafia

[Dwlee99]

Anyway someone has to be evil. Unwnd is confirmed not mafia at the very least so he is out of the lim pool for me. We need to hit mafia and with unwnd and me out of the pool we have a 50/50. I want to townread pooky here which makes the other three people evil

[Dwlee99]

i thought we were going to yeet Murdercat for being a Mafia Ascetic

Yea this would be a good idea

Only worry is mcat ascetic cult leader but I don't believe in that world. I want to look at gork interactions more before we move too fast

[Dwlee99]

House you know if mafia doesn't night kill CL tonight we lose too right

[Dwlee99]

I don't think mafia can be recruited

[Dwlee99]

Ye recruit resolves after kill by NAR but shrug

[Dwlee99]

Uh yea dude I don't believe that shit. You're for sure mafia, you probably have a roleblocker guilty on the mentor cause no NK so you know who it is and will win by mislimming me. Not happening
VOTE: House

[Dwlee99]

I targeted dwlee last night but I'm guessing I was roleblocked.

Mentor can't recruit when you already have someone targeted

Oh wait do you mean for a kill?

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
We should probably still kill Murdercat

[Dwlee99]

Hm maybe house is CL and bulletproof was to try to avoid scum thinking of NK him

If i was cult leader, I'd have grabbed you n1 homie.

You should know that.

If you're true claiming you lied to me

I'm so sad

[Dwlee99]

Uh yea dude I don't believe that shit. You're for sure mafia, you probably have a roleblocker guilty on the mentor cause no NK so you know who it is and will win by mislimming me. Not happening
VOTE: House

I literally claimed cult leader.

You're just scum claiming here, lol.

I think you could be fake claiming this as mafia

[Dwlee99]

I targeted dwlee last night but I'm guessing I was roleblocked.

Mentor can't recruit when you already have someone targeted

Oh wait do you mean for a kill?

Yes.

I targeted you because of 1388.

Ah so you assumed I'd flip red. Still not though lol

[Dwlee99]

Like I will acknowledge that my play hasn't been great, but I will 100% defend scumreading LLD there though because she admitted that her entire push on me was fabricated.

[Dwlee99]

Ascetic doesn't prevent kills my guy. We need to explain gamma didn't get a result while targeted by rolestopper, and simplest explanation is just gamma targeted an ascetic which is you or murdercat. You should know MC is mafia

[Dwlee99]

Uh yea dude I don't believe that shit. You're for sure mafia, you probably have a roleblocker guilty on the mentor cause no NK so you know who it is and will win by mislimming me. Not happening
VOTE: House

I literally claimed cult leader.

You're just scum claiming here, lol.

I think you could be fake claiming this as mafia

And what's to stop the actual cult leader from cc'ing me?

I recruited Gorkington n1 because I knew he'd find me as scum and I didn't want his kind of attention working against me.

If actual CL would CC maybe they aren't bulletproof. I could still be right that claiming bulletproof was to prevent being shot

[Dwlee99]

I wish I was dead rn so sad

[Dwlee99]

Anyway it should just be MC from your position so even if you think I'm mafia just kill MC today

[Dwlee99]

Did he say what was in them? Cause if he had posts we can try to match posting style to find the second

[Dwlee99]

Although I guess you can't quote hmm

[Dwlee99]

MC is definitely in my solve, but I'm also solid on you being scum.

Also you just can't read me apparently. Sucks

[Dwlee99]

Idk but I'm 99% on MCAT scum so I'm going there. It's Pooky or mega, you figure out which one is scum.

[Dwlee99]

House I think you win if we kill Murdercat. As a return favor for informing you of this I'd appreciate being recruited

[Dwlee99]

Ythan is confirmed town to you.

Why do you think I'm the only person that would roleblock you?

[Dwlee99]

Ythan is confirmed town to you.

Why do you think I'm the only person that would roleblock you?

Who bothers roleblocking a bulletproof townie?

I can see you not buying my claim and hedging your bets by blocking me.

The others in this game, I don't think they're familiar enough with my play to know about my shenanigans.

If Gamma had still been alive, I'd have him lumped with you for the same reason.

He's seen my wily gambits and would have roleblocked me as scum out of pure paranoia, most likely.

I think blocking someone who says they can't be night killed unprompted isn't a huge leap to make regardless of who is doing it. I hadn't really thought about it before this so yea I'd probably choose to block you, but I think so would other people who were trying to think of who to block. Only other target would be gork/mega.

Ythan is confirmed town to you.

Why do you think I'm the only person that would roleblock you?

Why is Ythan confirmed town "to me"?

Gamma's result that kazyan and unwnd are unaligned. If you're cult, then unwnd can't be cult, and can't be mafia, so is town. Unless this is three-way multiball lmao

[Dwlee99]

Picking the worst is a terrible idea because he should get night killed anyway. He is a doc claim in a Shea game.

Stop putting TW in your suggestions for who to check, it makes less than zero sense

Also so now that we know that duck must have been roleblocked n1, that scum no killed or hit a bulletproof go up. I am kind of hoping that mafia hit house N1 and he is actually 1-shot BP.

[Dwlee99]

Gamma's result that kazyan and unwnd are unaligned.

That doesn't explain why he's confirmed town "to me", instead of simply "confirmed town".

Well I don't know you're cult necessarily

Although I believe it now

[Dwlee99]

Yea

[Dwlee99]

One problem: we are losing

[Dwlee99]

If House is full bulletproof the game is already over cause we lim Murdercat and then what. Every lim loses for town I can try to spite House but what good wh

[Dwlee99]

Also House i just thought of something. Why did I come out saying mega is cult if you think I roleblocked you

[Dwlee99]

House will you recruit me because you're wrong on your read of me and that should make you feel sad?

[Dwlee99]

Pooky how should we settle this

[Dwlee99]

Oooh good idea

[Dwlee99]

Homeboy

[Dwlee99]

Things are alright. I'm excited to be in a Shea game again. Other than that I'm just kinda chilling, doing college and whatnot. How about you?

Also I think house is evil

I'm always evil.

I just can't ever get the role pm to match.

This game is your lucky chance

Part of me is suddenly curious as to whether Mafia was informed of the existence of a cult in this game.

Pooky was obviously meming, but dwlee's post feels more serious.

I was calling you evil, not cult here. Not sure what connection you see from me saying that

[Dwlee99]

Hey dwlee, why did you ask of a sudden have me listed in your solve, today?

I don't recall you scumreading me before I was roleblocked.

Pooky + ythan town implies you scum. So you had to be. Before I was working with the thought that we had 1 scum left (after worst flip), not 3, so you would be town in that world.

I actually think pooky might be the last mafia after MC though now

[Dwlee99]

Oh right with that question lol

[Dwlee99]

Okay my solve was right just with wrong coloring, I'm happy with that

[Dwlee99]

MC, scum need double roleblocker or an ascetic for this scenario to happen.

[Dwlee99]

Actually they need a roleblocker and an ascetic

[Dwlee99]

Looks to me like you knew two things:

1) I wasn't Mafia
2) the game had a cult

What the fuck are you talking about, Jessie?

[Dwlee99]

If House is cult leader then he will get night killed by the mafia, right?

[Dwlee99]

Ascetic instead of Bulletproof*

[Dwlee99]

Or unwnd could have been

[Dwlee99]

Oh wait no, cause duckie was roleblocked if gamma's thing went through

[Dwlee99]

I'm so sad that even with a full solve rn we just lose cause kingmaker. Also the amount of BS that had to happen for gamma AND duck to be town jfc

[Dwlee99]

Is it better for us to kill the roleblocker or nah pooky?

[Dwlee99]

Wait Pooky, we should kill mcat

[Dwlee99]

No no we can win. Mafia is forced to roleblock house and try to shoot him to prevent losing to cult, so we go 1 - 1 - 3

[Dwlee99]

Kill mcat -> mega to win HAS to roleblock house or loses on parity to cult -> we enter 3 town 2 scum, this is winning

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Mcat

[Dwlee99]

If Meg doesn't roleblock house then they lose immediately from cult gaining a number + a kill

[Dwlee99]

If Meg is multitasking she has to also try to shoot house imo cause that's also the only way to win. If she shoots a townie she enters 1 - 1 - 2, which means town lims her so one of us can win with house.

[Dwlee99]

We would end up in no limming repeatedly, because if it ever goes 2 - 1 - 2 remaining town once again side with house there

[Dwlee99]

If Meg doesn't roleblock house then they lose immediately from cult gaining a number + a kill

Not true.

They could always Target my recruit to prevent me from gaining that recruit.

But town still ends up siding with you in the scenario where we end up 1 - 1 - 2

1 - 1 - 2 and 2 - 1 - 2 are immediate losses for mafia because remaining town are forced to cult side. In a 1 - 1 - 3 scenario mafia can go to 1 - 2 and try to convince a townie to vote another townie

[Dwlee99]

We would end up in no limming repeatedly, because if it ever goes 2 - 1 - 2 remaining town once again side with house there

And Mafia would, out of the goodness of their heart, not kill all the town to reach parity.

If 2 - 1 - 2 then town lim the roleblocker and we end up in 1 - 1 - 2 overnight which is a cult victory. Because it ends up 1 - 2 - 1 or 1 - 1 - 1, with once again the town cult siding.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee why do you hate me?

I'm playing to win con my dude

Also you lied that you would recruit me

[Dwlee99]

So basically: 2 - 1 - 2 loses for mafia, 1 - 1 - 3 does not. So it's actually to mafia con for them to help us kill their buddy.

[Dwlee99]

If Meg doesn't roleblock house then they lose immediately from cult gaining a number + a kill

Not true.

They could always Target my recruit to prevent me from gaining that recruit.

But town still ends up siding with you in the scenario where we end up 1 - 1 - 2

1 - 1 - 2 and 2 - 1 - 2 are immediate losses for mafia because remaining town are forced to cult side. In a 1 - 1 - 3 scenario mafia can go to 1 - 2 and try to convince a townie to vote another townie

when the Mafia and cult are all outed, how exactly does a townie get voted?

Meg can try to convince most likely Pooky that I'm mafia

[Dwlee99]

ok so the mafia help us kill murdercat

then meg roleblocks house at night

and then 1-1-3

and then what?

we vote out House?

then we vote out Meg the next day?

I mean why would the mafia agree to this?

Mafia agree to this because otherwise they just straight up lose to cult. Meg has a chance to vote me out technically, cause this is also the strat I'd be coming up with as mafia to still win

[Dwlee99]

ok here's what's known (common knowledge):


There is a Mafia Roleblocker.

Ythan is aligned with the Town.

House is a Cult Leader.

Murdercat is Mafia Ascetic.


So Murdercat and Ythan should negotiate a framework where both Town and Mafia have a chance of winning.

For example:

We elim murdercat today.

The Unknown Mafia Roleblocker blocks House Tonight

We Eliminate House Tommorrow.

The Mafia Roleblocker Shoots Ythan at night.

Finally the three last people have LYLO where mafia/town both have a chance to win.

I believe this is a fair way to deal with this type of endgame.

Exactly

Pedit: No scum roleblocker? What are you saying mcat

[Dwlee99]

Are you saying you don't have a scum partner or?

[Dwlee99]

Ok we kill you

[Dwlee99]

House did you see my logic? If a townie dies tonight then town are forced to cult side, which is a free win for you cause you don't get limmed then and reach parity, ergo a loss for mafia. So mafia can't kill a townie tonight.

[Dwlee99]

With mcat dead they can win by just blocking you

[Dwlee99]

But they lose if they shoot your recruit soo

[Dwlee99]

Also Shea loves his hidden scum factions and I actually want you to lose here cause this is silly af

[Dwlee99]

I wanna win tho

[Dwlee99]

Also you tried to kill me which is unnice

[Dwlee99]

You promised to target Pooky tho

[Dwlee99]

If you had agreed to recruit me I would have been able to convince people that there's no world where town or mafia win oops

[Dwlee99]

Now that cat is out of the bag, so to speak

[Dwlee99]

Nah I'm playing for current wincon not a hypothetical. Regardless, we can't get 4 votes on meg under any paradigm, because it'd be throwing for Murdercat and ythan or pooky.

[Dwlee99]

Not true, I just detailed how town and mafia can both win here by killing mcat, blocking you, killing you, then heading to 3p ELO

[Dwlee99]

Then I just need to pick correctly between Pooky and Meg

[Dwlee99]

I want to win

[Dwlee99]

MC how many partners do you have

[Dwlee99]

Why you be assuming I'm mafia

What if I'm just an sk

Your win con would be same as mafia once mcat is limmed

[Dwlee99]

Mafia immediately loses if we lim town or the roleblocker to cult

Town immediately loses if we lim house or a townie. Soooo we lim mcat. House needs to be roleblocked so that mafia doesn't lose. Then we enter 3p

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Roleblocker shouldn't kill unless it's a multitasked roleblock and kill against house. If the game reaches 1 - 1 - 2 (roleblocker, cult, town) then town is forced to cult side.

[Dwlee99]

Just vote Mcat and roleblocker block house

[Dwlee99]

Town and mafia's win comes down to 3p picking correctly

[Dwlee99]

If roleblocker is limmed we can't win...

[Dwlee99]

2 - 1 - 3 -> 1 - 2 - 2 when roleblocker gets limmed

[Dwlee99]

if we hit roleblocker then cult wins 100% of the time

Technically we could throw it to mafia but specifically if we hit roleblocker then town never wins.

[Dwlee99]

Only can kill cult leader with mafia's vote, but then mafia wins. Unless Mcat is a traitor but why would I believe that here...

[Dwlee99]

5 players- 2 cult -
3 votes to eliminate


It ends up being kingmaker which I think I prefer

If it's 2 town, 2 cult, and 1 mafia, how does town win? We literally can't. This is a silly scenario to want.

[Dwlee99]

Why would you rather want kingmaker instead of actually playing for wincon lol

[Dwlee99]

Roleblocker will block cult. How is that not winning for us. There can only be one cult left.

[Dwlee99]

If we vote out house, mafia wins. Voting out mafia so that we get a chance in 3p is our way to win

[Dwlee99]

Roleblocker will block cult.

nope

If not then we already lost regardless of flip

[Dwlee99]

Like Mcat I want to hear you out but your case for this is "you will lose" when voting out house just means I will lose as well

[Dwlee99]

Mega what are you

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: House

[Dwlee99]

That's hammer. Either mafia win or we go to 3p I think

[Dwlee99]

If so then mafia wins I guess? Unless non game ending traitor. I just want to say btw that Murdercat is WACK for claiming ascetic there

[Dwlee99]

Well if it goes to 3p it doesn't

[Dwlee99]

I think bulletproof mentor is much stronger than 2 person mafia team but uhh idk what TSQ considers balanced

Especially cause our power would be a parity cop and rolestopper?

[Dwlee99]

Oh right snoop, forgot about that

[Dwlee99]

*twiddles thumbs waiting for Shea*

[Dwlee99]

Maybe house is ascetic