Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[House]

I'd respect you more for having the guts to fake-claim a guilty tbh lol

See???

[House]

Oh btw, I received a live squirrel overnight.

Missed the PM until just now.

[House]

1:1 trade benefits town.

If investigative ever flips then that's a mod confirmed cc, no reason to do it before then while your role has value

That and the longer an outed investigative stays alive, the less likely the claim is real.

[House]

I don’t think House and mcat are S/S, does anyone object to me checking them tonight?

Sounds like a plan!

[House]

I am willing to vote for Kazyan today

I am willing to sheep Kazyan today.

VOTE: Meg

Whaaaaat~

[House]

VOTE: Kazyan

I will also say I’m losing faith in my house town read!

Unless I've missed something pretty big during the week, I'd rather not flip Kaz.

[House]

VOTE: Kazyan

I will also say I’m losing faith in my house town read!

Unless I've missed something pretty big during the week, I'd rather not flip Kaz.

There's a guilty on Kaz, if all claims are to be believed, between a parity cop between Unwnd/Kaz and The Worst's town clear on Unwnd via doctor protection.

Oh, shit.

Sorry, I've been zoned out after work this week.

I need to read up.

[House]

{pooky, kazy, dwlee, unwnd}
{gork}
{} entire bracket of weak townreads which i just don't have
{house, dann}
{megazu} (flips down if LLD is green)
{mcat, navi} ????
{gamma}
{LLD}

Kinda weird that tw would consider me a null reads at best here, but...

high nk equity: {unwnd, gork, pooky}
mid nk equity: {dannflor, house}
low nk equity: {kazyan}
between these categories haaallpp: {dwlee}
not NKs (elims): {mcat, lld, gamma, megazu}

... say I have a non-negligible amount of nk equity, here.

If I'm nk bait of any tier, that suggests a read in which to base that opinion.

Not sure I buy the claim he protected unwnd, tbh.

Gonna peep Kaz & unwnd. Meanwhile...

UNVOTE:

[House]

Yeah, nah.

I just don't see scum acting about a Mason crumb they've "caught" the way Kazyan did.

I'm actually leaning towards voting unwnd, here. Sue me.

[House]

Lack of kill annoys me

Like, in the world unwnd was protected last night, this would be hilarious.

[House]

Nah.

Not feeling a Kaz or unwnd wagon, here.

I'd lim Gamma over either one of them, tbh.

Since that's unlikely,

VOTE: Meg

[House]

I'd go gamma over Kazyan as well which is why I proposed no lim

No lim is worse than a bad lim.

It actively denies town information.

Come on man, you know this.

[House]

No lim is not worse than a mislim
If you want any lim over no lim why not kaz?

Because I townread Kaz, obviously.

Why else would I prefer to lim the player claiming a guilty over them?

Advocating for me to vote a townread is ridiculous.

Are you new?

[House]

I mean yes but I would like to resolve the trio.
It can probably self resolve with a no lim but there's too much resistance there RN to do anything about it.

Okay, well voting townreads is something I consider a Bad Thing.

Not a lot of things in this game are objectively Bad, but that's one of them.

Not to mention, wasting a no lim on d2 can come back and kick us in the ass closer to Elo, when we actually need scum's help to reduce the PoE.

Right now, the nk will provide minimal info compared to doing it in a mislim & lose scenario where scum has to knock out a potential mislim target.

[House]

Alright, but why on me? This wagon on me is very slow moving and not being brought with any conviction. It feels like a bad wagon for associatives on flip.

Assume I am eliminated today
What information do we gain on a green flip?
What do we gain on a red flip?

On a green flip, a lot of players (myself included) will be placed under scrutiny and their motives examined for being party to murder.

On a red flip, yay scum.

[House]

I have an assumption about your role if you're town Meg, and if I'm right, you provide the least risk to town to lose.

If I'm wrong, I misread your state of mind, which would kinda suck, but don't speak on that right now if that's the case.

Kaz still has more support than you.

[House]

Sigh.

UNVOTE:

I'm liking Meg's posts.

[House]

VOTE: Gammajamma

No. That makes no sense. Flipping both Kaz & unwnd would out him. He's not that stupid.

UNVOTE:

Ummm...

VOTE: Murdercat

Why did your wagon evaporate, anyway?

[House]

That's... over a month away...

[House]

he must be a canadian heathen

They're not even a real country, anyway.

[House]

(For the record, my post was tongue in cheek, please don't mistake me for some strange anti-Canuck bigot. I don't think they even exist, anyway. Canadians are too nice to hate.)

[House]

VOTE: Gammajamma

No. That makes no sense. Flipping both Kaz & unwnd would out him. He's not that stupid.

UNVOTE:

Ummm...

VOTE: Murdercat

Why did your wagon evaporate, anyway?

I need a new pairing if we’re voting out mcat

ducky & pooky would be hilarious, but feel free to pair me with anybody.

At least I'd get hard information.

[House]

i still remember that game where i was staring mylo in the face and then NM got replaced by Ducky and I was like

HALLLEJUAH

I kinda want you guys checked because I townread you both individually, but I'm tinfoiling TvS. No way you're SvS, though.

A check returning same alignment gives me 2 hard town, FMPOV.

[House]

Hey everyone, I'm going to catch up tomorrow morning but looking at the vc I'm down to vote Kaz

Color me shocked.

[House]

... whatever

VOTE: No elimination

[House]

Long day at work & I'm tired.

Anyone wanna be a pal & TLDR me?

[House]

Gamma got no result
LLD is vt

That much I noticed on my skim, and the fact that he's getting up there in votes (which is why I haven't added mine already).

Why do I have scum equity?

[House]

Gamma got no result
LLD is vt

That much I noticed on my skim, and the fact that he's getting up there in votes (which is why I haven't added mine already).

Why do I have scum equity?

Thanks, though!

[House]

If kaz flips scum Roleblocker then unwd/pooky works.
If anything else you prolly don't get a result

I already doubt Pooky/unwnd are S/S, so unless I get paranoid of Pooky that won’t happen. But I’d be willing to check unwnd/you. And part of me suspects maybe one of house/mcat are mafia ascetic (inclined to think it would be house perhaps)

If I was an ascetic Mafia, I'd be trolling this game so hard.

[House]

Feels like House was a little

too

fine with me checking him, plus night event being weird makes me think scum might not actually have a roleblocker

So it's not possible that I'm fine with you checking me because I'm... I dunno... TOWN?

[House]

Wait wait wait...

Gamma checked me & Mcat, yes?

Roleblocked or ascetic?

I'm going with

VOTE: Murdercat

This needs to die today.

When the cat flips scum, Gamma can stfu with that paranoia bullshit.

I don't see why scum would waste a roleblocker unless Gamma was a threat.

[House]

can you describe what his thought process is

VOTE: no elim
I'm gonna be checking house and mcat

I got no result

Now read 2957 again.

[House]

Fuck no.

If you don't understand that, you have no business even talking to me.

[House]

you do know you need to explain your point of view to people to get them to like vote with you right?

If you can't follow, I'm not going to pry your eyes open.

It's simple shit. I can't raise your IQ for you if you don't get it.

[House]

I mean seriously.

Why are we not all choosing one of me or Mcat to kill today?

Scum knew who he was targeting.

If one of us weren't scum, there would be no need to roleblock him.

If either one of us are ascetic, we're not town or were 8 have claimed that shit d1.

Mcat or me. Pick one and vote.

[House]

I mean seriously.

Why are we not all choosing one of me or Mcat to kill today?

Scum knew who he was targeting.

If one of us weren't scum, there would be no need to roleblock him.

If either one of us are ascetic, we're not town or we'd* have claimed that shit d1.

Mcat or me. Pick one and vote.

[House]

House basically realized I did have a point about looking at the people I wanted to target and is voting the other person as it’s kinda-sorta a guilty for him
That’s about as clear as I can make it

It can't be a guilty for me.

I'm fucking town.

[House]

if you/mcat r both town and gamma is town, why would scum let Gamma give a double innocent result?

Because that's not how it works?

Aligned together does not mean both of us are town.

Aligned separately DOES mean there's SCUM

[House]

I'm tempted to just vote pooky tbh.

His posts are feeling fake as hell.

[House]

Like, he's trying his damnedest to avoid the me/Mcat dichotomy because it will lead to Mcat flipping red.

[House]

what exactly would mafia have done with a hypothetical roleblock if not target gamma here

Kinda surprised they didn't use it to block the outed protective and kill him, tbh.

[House]

I think they mean RB TW kill gamma

Obvs wouldn't happen here because it outs a 50/50 for scum.

So does roleblocking Gamma, AND leaves him alive to create more problems.

[House]

probably means there's a scum with a good amount of exp with her

I could picture other scenarios, but they're less flattering so I'm willing to roll with that one because debate wouldn't be productive anyway.

[House]

Its 33/33/33 for scum because there is 3 people it could be (unwd, kaz, gamma)

Killing gamma saves a day if we were going to lim them anyway

I'd rather leave Gamma alive.

If there's actually a roleblocker, it ties their hands and allows our other PR's to do their thing.

If he stays alive until anywhere near ELo, I'd be willing to reconsider.

[House]

I'm not sure if House actually thinks this or if like this is scum doing an exaggerated impression of what they think town should think

probably doesn't help I'm nearly as lost as pooky

the assumption that there is ever a scenario where scum let gamma get results if they have a choice is just really weird?? when does scum ever just let an investigation go off?

now i will admit i am still weirded out by the lld kill and the worst's continued survival but I don't feel "there's a guilty on murdercat" is really the most obvious train of logic from that?

Yeah.

I left Gamma alive so he could be mislimmed today, and I'm calling for him to be left alive and Mcat limmed instead because... ?

[House]

p-edit: i feel like we're at the start of the game again reparsing house for weird comments and im hoping it eventually just swings back around into that place where it seemed like he was just town.

I'm never "just town".

The only way to reliably read me is through familiarity with my weird ass ways.

[House]

I don't understand why Gork seems to be having trouble sorting me.

I'd think that he's seen enough of my town games to know that I'm loud, obnoxious, and abrasive as town, and a bit more congenial as scum (to avoid the very scrutiny I don't care about as town).

I mean, yeah, it's been years and all, but... yeah.

[House]

pp-edit: i dont think ive ever seen a scumgame of yours, my memory is terrible and i dont think ive been particularly direct about my read on you here?
do you think i should townread you for the way you opened today?

I think you've been around long enough to know that actions and appearances don't mean much, and motives are far more indicative of scum than a brash statement or 500.

[House]

I got no result

VOTE: gamm cya nerd

i'm a rolestopper not a doc

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Rolestopper

Learn a little something.

[House]

@TW you just made Gamma ascetic, you didn't stop HIS role.

[House]

i said im not townreading you right now.
you were gone for understandable reasons and my initial read faded as my reads tend to do when i dont have something to directly hold on to in front of me.

if i had said "wow house is a scumbutt" i would get the apprehension here but i dont really understand why youre making a big deal out of me not having found the one thing youve done today town.

p-edit: gamma cant have been blocked by a roleblocker if he was rolestopped.
heh.

Doesn't mean Mcat can't be acetic, though.

[House]

i said im not townreading you right now.
you were gone for understandable reasons and my initial read faded as my reads tend to do when i dont have something to directly hold on to in front of me.

if i had said "wow house is a scumbutt" i would get the apprehension here but i dont really understand why youre making a big deal out of me not having found the one thing youve done today town.

p-edit: gamma cant have been blocked by a roleblocker if he was rolestopped.
heh.

Doesn't mean Mcat can't be ascetic*, though.

[House]

i think it's more likely gamma (objectively very scummy) is just scum and fakeclaiming, than that there's both an ascetic and a rolestopper on one game. you do you tho.

Ok.

Let's play it your way.

VOTE: Gamma

I'm no game designer/reviewer. I'm just not a fan of early lims on investigative claims.

[House]

who wants to hear why i think house is town? it's really funny

I'm riveted.

I love hearing people that don't know me theorize about why I'm town or scum.

[House]

I watched some clips of House the show today for the first time ever and House's posting vaguely reminds of the character so that's my reasoning for town reading him

I mean, we're both assholes, so that's true enough I guess.

[House]

Hot take:

I think dwlee is scum here. Spent the past 2 days defending Kaz & went from scumreading (but not voting, I don't think?) the worst to saying he should be left alive for scum to shoot.

[House]

Oh. Maybe not so hot. Lol.

[House]

Towncase on myself: I would never let my scum partner do something as game throwing as claim to have rolestopped gamma on night 2.

Are you seriously expecting ME to buy that you wouldn't sit back and let a buddy make a boneheaded move?

ME?

Come on, man.

[House]

Towncase on myself: I would never let my scum partner do something as game throwing as claim to have rolestopped gamma on night 2.

Are you seriously expecting ME to buy that you wouldn't sit back and let a buddy make a boneheaded move?

ME?

Come on, man.

What was your boneheaded move in open draft? You got guiltied lmak

Playing dumb doesn't work with me.

VOTE: dwlee

You know damned well why I'm voting you.

[House]

Anyways I give Duckie some time to explain why it is not him

And I'll look at Kaz' ISO a bit more later

Lol at dwlee's while you're at it.

[House]

Anyways I give Duckie some time to explain why it is not him

And I'll look at Kaz' ISO a bit more later

Look* at dwlee's while you're at it.

Fix't. But lol works too.

[House]

Meh.

I'm not going to put too much credence in my dwlee read.

Pooky shall have his duck dinner at last.

VOTE: the worst

[House]

is it possible that scum has like
a macho roleblocker

Macho means can't be protected.

I guess that's possible, but why is it relevant?

[House]

Here kitty kitty.

[House]

obviously no townie is going to lolhammer me while i'm at work.

Lucky for you I'm already on your wagon.

[House]

aight since people arent going to clue in on this, i have some role reasons to think that the worst is town

UNVOTE:

This bears investigation.

What role reasons?

[House]

[House]

if gork claims we should literally just massclaim.
actually vig can probably safely just claim vt

I'm VT.

Spoiler:

maybe

[House]

I'm only participating in the mass claim if we popcorn.

Sorry not sorry.

[House]

house doesn't need to react to #3258

Consider the meme in 3225 to be my reaction.

[House]

i feel like people will be as sad when i flip as they were when gamma flipped

Highly doubtful.

Gamma is mah buddy.

[House]

so that is all our friendship is worth. alas.

Wanna know why?

WHAT'S MY MIDDLE NAAAAAME?

[House]

I'm only participating in the mass claim if we popcorn.

Sorry not sorry.

Pretty much everyone else has claimed and I thought you did? Just gonna assume if you're taking offense you're not VT and we should move on

You didn't open the spoiler, did you?

[House]

can people get their shit together so I can finally get my peking duck

every1 confirm they couldnt have blocked a kill night one lets go

[House]

UNVOTE:

why did u unvote here house

Being on the wagon of a player that hits E-1 triggers my waffle maker if I don't have a read on them.

Leggo my eggo.

[House]

Are we seriously toying with the idea that TWas rbed n1, scum no kill gambit, didn't use the gambit to do anything, and then has an ascetic between gamma's n2 targets?

I don't think scum nked on n1.

I just have a different theory on why it failed.

[House]

I mean you are claiming a scum ascetic and a scum rber are in play.
I doubt the last 2 scum roles are those but your death leads to a 50/50 at least.

That's not why I think scum didn't get a kill n1.

[House]

Oop, sorry.

[House]

Does anyone have objections to TW lim here?

If they flip town we have 1f1 between house and mcat

Do go on..

[House]

I mean that's not confirmed either way.
There are worlds where house can safely claim that as scum.

Fucking really?

Pretty sure I was the first to even mention getting one.

The reach is real.

[House]

You received one n2 correct?

N3*

I don't remember, and I'm way too lazy to check right now.

Have you SEEN the size of my ISO?

You dig for it.

[House]

Oh btw, I received a live squirrel overnight.

Missed the PM until just now.

Thank

[House]

Up!

[House]

Where is murderous kitten

Guessing site flake.

[House]

VOTE: Murdercat

[House]

VOTE: the worst

What has Mcat done besides claim VT that changed your opinion side 3110?

[House]

VOTE: the worst

What has Mcat done besides claim VT that changed your opinion since* 3110?

[House]

House should claim now

You probably already know.

[House]

You said you would claim in popcorn, I'm popcorning you

Oh, fair I guess.

Welp, I'm a bulletproof townie.

Should be pretty obvious, though.

[House]

Why would I know that?

Gee, I dunno.

I guess I just assume that people who sign up to play a game actually read it.

[House]

What's Ducky's wagon @?

[House]

p-edit: i guess im not reading the game either because i have no idea why you would think its obvious?

I don't believe you believe that.

[House]

why did you go along with this when you had earlier said that you didnt believe the worst's claim?

Gamma can confirm that I have a natural, deep-seated paranoia of him.

[House]

I see your soft now but if you expect me to see that in a catchup without previous knowledge of your claim I don't know what to tell you

I figured it might be obvious to you when I woke up alive on d2.

[House]

i dont remember what i ate for breakfast today let alone most of your ISO by heart. can you mayhaps be less cagey about this and just explain why it should be obvious if it apparently is super duper obvious?

I would love to, but as that would go directly against my contrarian nature, I just can't do that.

[House]

Are we finishing mass claim or should I let TW self hammer

Probably.

[House]

Is there a third opinion?

If you want a third opinion, just double the weight of mine.

I'm a big guy, anyway.

[House]

VOTE: the worst

[House]

It was not clear which you preferred actually

I know. I was being cheeky.

[House]

do you know how hard I would be memeing about a cult

Lol?

i am a reflexive day cult leader

if you vote me I will recruit you if I am alive at the end of the day

we can all win together

why dont you want to join my cult :<

VOTE: Pooky

Recruit me

Recruit: Kazyan (1/12)

unwnd you know you want to join my cult

unwnd not wanting to join my cult is actually ++scum

VOTE: unwnd

Fucking recruit me!

[House]

Well then where did the scum kill go last night

Did scum not kill the mentee?

I highly doubt he was cannibalized for funsies.

[House]

1388 has been eating at me for some time.

It tells me that dwlee is probably scum here, but it annoys me that I can't explain why.

VOTE: dwlee99

"Meta bad" player that tries to cherrypick meta when it suits them doesn't have town motive behind it, IMHO.

Also, he all of a sudden scumreads me now that it's known I can't be night killed.

[House]

Hm maybe house is CL and bulletproof was to try to avoid scum thinking of NK him

If i was cult leader, I'd have grabbed you n1 homie.

You should know that.

[House]

this is also exactly what LLD did in Yggdrasil to Murdercat while he protested that she was obviously scum and we didn't believe him cause she had bussed day one

Busted, lol.

[House]

If i was cult leader, I'd have grabbed you n1 homie.

hurtful towards me

Are you kidding? You'd be a toxic recruit with that d1 meming, IMHO.

[House]

is this cuz i talked shit about your scum game?

cuz like

i'll tell you that you r the best scum player ever or w/e

*pocketed*

If I ever roll cult leader, you're my first choice.

[House]

We do still need to figure out CL today

Or at least mafia needs to

If Mafia needs that information, we shouldn't be doing their job for them IMHO.

[House]

House you know if mafia doesn't night kill CL tonight we lose too right

What if we get scum today and the cult leader recruits the other scum?

Lol, it would be hilarious if the cult leader recruited the last scum and scum nk'ed the cult leader which would kill them both.

[House]

Well, I guess I should just go ahead and out.

I'm a bulletproof cult mentor.

When nobody else tries to cc me, we need to eliminate dwlee because killing the roleblocker is more important than ascetic.

[House]

I targeted dwlee last night but I'm guessing I was roleblocked.

[House]

Uh yea dude I don't believe that shit. You're for sure mafia, you probably have a roleblocker guilty on the mentor cause no NK so you know who it is and will win by mislimming me. Not happening
VOTE: House

I literally claimed cult leader.

You're just scum claiming here, lol.

[House]

I targeted dwlee last night but I'm guessing I was roleblocked.

Mentor can't recruit when you already have someone targeted

Oh wait do you mean for a kill?

Yes.

I targeted you because of 1388.

[House]

Ok but we actually don't want you performing actions if you are cult <3

What if dwlee is the ascetic?

Is there any reason I would have been targeted by a roleblocker after I claimed bulletproof yesterday?

[House]

Uh yea dude I don't believe that shit. You're for sure mafia, you probably have a roleblocker guilty on the mentor cause no NK so you know who it is and will win by mislimming me. Not happening
VOTE: House

I literally claimed cult leader.

You're just scum claiming here, lol.

I think you could be fake claiming this as mafia

And what's to stop the actual cult leader from cc'ing me?

I recruited Gorkington n1 because I knew he'd find me as scum and I didn't want his kind of attention working against me.

[House]

Ok but we actually don't want you performing actions if you are cult <3

What if dwlee is the ascetic?

Is there any reason I would have been targeted by a roleblocker after I claimed bulletproof yesterday?

What did you do each night

Hold on a sec, I'll review my night actions in the cult thread.

[House]

Ok but we actually don't want you performing actions if you are cult <3

What if dwlee is the ascetic?

Is there any reason I would have been targeted by a roleblocker after I claimed bulletproof yesterday?

What did you do each night

N1: Recruited Gorkington
N2: Gork -> Kill Gamma
N3: Gork -> Kill Kazyan
N4: Me -> Kill dwlee (I was concerned Gork would be roleblocked)

[House]

MC is definitely in my solve, but I'm also solid on you being scum.

[House]

The only chance anyone can win outside of Mafia at this point is to eliminate the roleblocker.

[House]

Fair.

[House]

I have been busting my ass to dodge elimination because that is the only way I can die.

I am not a fan of rolling cult, but at least bulletproof gave me a fighting chance.

[House]

It's awesome that I neutralized the investigative that could bust me on n1, lol.

[House]

Gorkington's role before conversion gave him random posts from PT's with identifying information censored out, for the record.

[House]

Just remembered that I asked him in the cult thread.

[House]

Did he say what was in them? Cause if he had posts we can try to match posting style to find the second

I recruited him n1.

I doubt he even got results. I never bothered to ask.

Right, inspection happens after recruiting.

[House]

Well if you're town, who would roleblock me last night?

[House]

I don't see myself ever voting pooky.

Cult meming could have backfired and gotten him eliminated by a paranoid town.

I don't see scum!pooky taking that gamble.

Granted, I don't know pooky, but in general, there are few I see willing to take that risk as scum.

[House]

House I think you win if we kill Murdercat. As a return favor for informing you of this I'd appreciate being recruited

I mean, the only way I can recruit anyone at all is if the roleblocker is eliminated.

MCat is speculated to be the ascetic.

You're the only player in this game I can see targeting me last night.

[House]

Maybe Ythan, but unwnd seemed pretty town to me.

[House]

{Gork, House}
{Dann, Pooky, Navi}
{Kaz, LLD, Dwlee, Mega, Gamma}
{Worst, MCat}

Upper half my ego says I'm wrong on one, possibly

This is a hilarious reads list, by the way.

[House]

Ythan is confirmed town to you.

Why do you think I'm the only person that would roleblock you?

Who bothers roleblocking a bulletproof townie?

I can see you not buying my claim and hedging your bets by blocking me.

The others in this game, I don't think they're familiar enough with my play to know about my shenanigans.

[House]

If Gamma had still been alive, I'd have him lumped with you for the same reason.

He's seen my wily gambits and would have roleblocked me as scum out of pure paranoia, most likely.

[House]

Ythan is confirmed town to you.

Why do you think I'm the only person that would roleblock you?

Why is Ythan confirmed town "to me"?

[House]

Gamma's result that kazyan and unwnd are unaligned.

That doesn't explain why he's confirmed town "to me", instead of simply "confirmed town".

[House]

Picking the worst is a terrible idea because he should get night killed anyway. He is a doc claim in a Shea game.

Stop putting TW in your suggestions for who to check, it makes less than zero sense

Also so now that we know that duck must have been roleblocked n1, that scum no killed or hit a bulletproof go up. I am kind of hoping that mafia hit house N1 and he is actually 1-shot BP.

Sure.

Let's let scum take that gamble.

Doesn't affect my chances at all.

[House]

Let's sweeten the pot.

Pooky, do not target me tonight.

Bring it, scum.

[House]

I'm not sure who to give this application to but if one of you is a cult leader I'm just gonna tack it on the wall here and go in another room.

/waves

[House]

Also House i just thought of something. Why did I come out saying mega is cult if you think I roleblocked you

That's... a fair point.

Stop undermining my confbias!

[House]

wait i dont see why i would vote with house if i dont get assurances i will be recruited

I'm likely to be roleblocked unless we eliminate the roleblocker.

[House]

Hey dwlee, why did you ask of a sudden have me listed in your solve, today?

I don't recall you scumreading me before I was roleblocked.

[House]

Hey dwlee, why did you all* of a sudden have me listed in your solve, today?

I don't recall you scumreading me before I was roleblocked.

Fix't

[House]

Things are alright. I'm excited to be in a Shea game again. Other than that I'm just kinda chilling, doing college and whatnot. How about you?

Also I think house is evil

I'm always evil.

I just can't ever get the role pm to match.

This game is your lucky chance

Part of me is suddenly curious as to whether Mafia was informed of the existence of a cult in this game.

Pooky was obviously meming, but dwlee's post feels more serious.

[House]

@House what is your exact win con?

I won when cult is the only faction left alive or nothing can prevent that from happening.

Kinda why I want the roleblocker dead.

Also what are the exact requirements for recruitment

I can recruit as long as I don't already have a mentee.

When my mentee dies, I have to wait until the next night phase to recruit (of course).

[House]

Things are alright. I'm excited to be in a Shea game again. Other than that I'm just kinda chilling, doing college and whatnot. How about you?

Also I think house is evil

I'm always evil.

I just can't ever get the role pm to match.

This game is your lucky chance

Part of me is suddenly curious as to whether Mafia was informed of the existence of a cult in this game.

Pooky was obviously meming, but dwlee's post feels more serious.

I was calling you evil, not cult here. Not sure what connection you see from me saying that

Looks to me like you knew two things:

1) I wasn't Mafia
2) the game had a cult

[House]

8:3:1 where scum has a roleblocker and ascetic is balanced?
Isnt it more likely house is ascetic cult leader instead of bulletproof?

Scum having ascetic & roleblocker is what MAKES my power balanced.

[House]

VOTE: Meg

[House]

actually I guess we could elim meg first to kill the roleblocker

I'll see you tonight, big boy.

[House]

If Meg doesn't roleblock house then they lose immediately from cult gaining a number + a kill

Not true.

They could always Target my recruit to prevent me from gaining that recruit.

[House]

Dwlee why do you hate me?

[House]

We would end up in no limming repeatedly, because if it ever goes 2 - 1 - 2 remaining town once again side with house there

And Mafia would, out of the goodness of their heart, not kill all the town to reach parity.

[House]

If Meg doesn't roleblock house then they lose immediately from cult gaining a number + a kill

Not true.

They could always Target my recruit to prevent me from gaining that recruit.

But town still ends up siding with you in the scenario where we end up 1 - 1 - 2

1 - 1 - 2 and 2 - 1 - 2 are immediate losses for mafia because remaining town are forced to cult side. In a 1 - 1 - 3 scenario mafia can go to 1 - 2 and try to convince a townie to vote another townie

when the Mafia and cult are all outed, how exactly does a townie get voted?

[House]

Dwlee why do you hate me?

I'm playing to win con my dude

Also you lied that you would recruit me

Refer to 3652.

[House]

I'm honestly shocked that Mafia didn't fake a cc on me.

That's exactly what I would have done if I were them.

[House]

You should penalize Mafia for not countering my claim outright.

[House]

Ok we kill you

No. Meg has to die unless you WANT mafia to win.

They have a roleblocker. My kill was literally blocked. Hello?

[House]

If pooky wasn't dead on, Mcat wouldn't have claimed.

[House]

Mafia's only chance to win with Meg dead is to shoot my recruit target.

[House]

House did you see my logic? If a townie dies tonight then town are forced to cult side, which is a free win for you cause you don't get limmed then and reach parity, ergo a loss for mafia. So mafia can't kill a townie tonight.

They either shot my recruit target or they shot town.

That's just the reality of it.

All the WIFOM in the world isn't going to cause them to waste another bullet when they already know my claim is true.

[House]

House did you see my logic? If a townie dies tonight then town are forced to cult side, which is a free win for you cause you don't get limmed then and reach parity, ergo a loss for mafia. So mafia can't kill a townie tonight.

They either shoot my recruit target or they shoot town.

That's just the reality of it.

All the WIFOM in the world isn't going to cause them to waste another bullet when they already know my claim is true.

Fix't

[House]

I've been targeting suspected mafia all game (full disclosure, Kaz was Gork's suggestion), and this is the thanks I get?

[House]

Also you tried to kill me which is unnice

Fair.

[House]

I mean, you know I can't promise to recruit you because it would just make scum target you, but I'm sad that you didn't give me the opportunity to make up for that.

[House]

You promised to target Pooky tho

No promises are valid because scum will just shoot there.

Think about it

[House]

Nah I'm playing for current wincon not a hypothetical. Regardless, we can't get 4 votes on meg under any paradigm, because it'd be throwing for Murdercat and ythan or pooky.

Whomever isn't recruited is going to lose if I win, true...

But studying with me is the only way anyone that's currently town even has a 33% chance at winning.

[House]

siding* with

[House]

And Murdercat strongly indicated that town's theory was incorrect.

*shrug*

I'm the only one that's trying to be straight with town. Idk why you want to help the faction that's still trying to lie to you even now.

[House]

Before anyone is hammered, give me a chance to post at E-1.

I may take the choice away from town since they want to blow it anyway.

[House]

Just vote Mcat and roleblocker block house

you will lose

I'm good with that outcome, at this point.

VOTE: Murdercat

[House]

VOTE: House

Nice gamethrow, genius.

[House]

what happens to menteee if mentor dies

They die with me.

[House]

If Dwlee is alive tomorrow, quicklim him... or congrats, I guess?

He hasn't posted in the cult thread.

[House]

Dwlee9 if you're scum, you shot yourself in the foot by guilt tripping me into recruiting you.

Just saying.

You might as well concede.

[House]

Lol, that was not very bright, Dwlee9.

Thanks for the game, Shea!

[House]

Thank you Meg/Dwlee/Pooky/Ythan for all doing the right thing.

Dwlee literally gamethrew.

I wouldn't call that "doing the right thing".

[House]

Dwlee continuing to scoop me out of certain doom.

If you're talking about being recruited, I'd never recruit confirmed town because that's a likely scum kill.

[House]

I'm considering this a win cause cult dumb LMAO

... considering you were cult, I guess you're proving your point.

[House]

Uhh ythan hammers there anyway I think. Kinda sad it ended with me not seeing a Pm but uh

You could have pushed Meg as last scum. Just needed one townie.

[House]

Okay I did I just didn't see it somehow fuck me, sorry

I've had that happen before, too.

This board software is in desperate need of replacement.

[House]

Outside of the small incident with MCat this was a pretty solid #goodvibes game
Been wanting one after recent events.

I'm very glad that you had a better experience this game.

[House]

which multiple people seem to be buying into? Or not? Idk

Where is anyone buying into this?

I'm just gonna pretend you didn't ask that, because reading my post in full provides enough context to show that my mind was scattered all over the place.

Because if I thought you were actually trying to bring up an old post of mine where I was mostly disengaged in order to angle some sort of shade at me, that would not leave a very good impression.

- House

I need to stick with these hunches, lol.

[House]

VOTE: Gammajamma

No. That makes no sense. Flipping both Kaz & unwnd would out him. He's not that stupid.

UNVOTE:

Ummm...

VOTE: Murdercat

Why did your wagon evaporate, anyway?

VOTE: Gammajamma

No. That makes no sense. Flipping both Kaz & unwnd would out him. He's not that stupid.

UNVOTE:

Ummm...

VOTE: Murdercat

Why did your wagon evaporate, anyway?

I need a new pairing if we’re voting out mcat

ducky & pooky would be hilarious <snip>

This game would have gotten SO town-sided if that had happened.

[House]

GG all

thanks for modding shea

my reads were complete trash we still won

Thank god House admitted he was the Cult Leader lolol

Never been a huge fan of 3p. I'd been town-sided the entire game, anyway.