Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Towelie]

I dont think there is a universe where a scum gamma gotcha ccs that nebulous claim here in order to make a desperate deathtunnel on what he perceives as a pr threat.

Noraas attitude seems town enough here, although i recognize margin for error there. Im less sure about that than gamma but i think it is town.

If both slots were to flip town i would probably be willing to townbank wisdom too for the attitude around it. I dont necessarily think the inverse is true.

Mush i have no fucking clue what youre trying to do in 797

Skitter i have stuff to say to you but it probably has to wait till i have a comp again. So much of your stance on m&m seemed like it shouldnt have contributed to a scumread and i dont like that you ended up voting there after the blurb you had

-b

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmmm.

I think... Wisdom, is Dunn town to you?

[Wisdom]

yep

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yep

Lay it on me why you think that both Mocha Bears and Dunn are town

[Wisdom]

Dunn does not look like scum Dunn
Bears dont do what they did as scum and generally their reaction to gamma feels town

[Towelie]

Noddy and i arent friends right now so i can post

JA'MARR FUCKING CHASE

[Towelie]

We’re playing like ass rn

[Wisdom]

Fix it by voting kyouko s_s or emmi

[Towelie]

Lol that post was noddy complaining that we are shredding the ravens d

We will prolly throw a real vote tomorrow after we both have time to hash some stuff

-b

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Mush i have no fucking clue what youre trying to do in 797

There's a difference between feeling confident in a read and being certain about alignment.

If there's no room for Wisdom to be wrong, then they have knowledge, and this is a case where that knowledge necessitates Wisdom being scum.

I have no idea how everyone else is missing this. But hey, it's good enough for me for right now. VOTE: Wisdom

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Pronoun fuckup in prior post was only noticed after posting -- I reworded that sentence a number of times. Apologies.

[Venus Fly Trap]

Why do scum MM even do this whole thing

i don't know, but i also don't know why town-mm do this whole thing, and i don't believe their scumread on gamma is real.
i don't know how they can in good faith come to the conclusion that gamma's reaction is scum gambitting in response here when he p obviously thinks he found scum in a cc

Gamma is never widely townread like this unless he's scum and that was just a failed scum gambit. I disagree with pooky that he did it to get town cop killed. I think he did it to look like wrong town which people take pity on.

like none of this makes sense, it's looking for reasons to call gamma scummy

like my issue isn't inherently the claim, which is almost for sure made up, my issue is how they're treating gamma now, the next day, when they're no longer embroiled in the 1v1.
(well i suppose i do take issue with the claim too, whatever their alignment it's kinda disappointing that they're playing like this)

~ skitter

[Towelie]

Its very clearly "i am willing to bet the game on x" and not "i literally know x is true because my role pm says it is"

-b

[Wisdom]

i don't know, but i also don't know why town-mm do this whole thing, and i don't believe their scumread on gamma is real.
i don't know how they can in good faith come to the conclusion that gamma's reaction is scum gambitting in response here when he p obviously thinks he found scum in a cc

I know but its more likely stubborn town who find what gamma did so bad they cant let go of pushing him
I dont know nora but pooky can be like that

[Venus Fly Trap]

I've noticed what you're saying about Dunn, but the early game from him stumbled HARD and I'm unwilling to give it a complete pass. I'm curious what you see there that overshadows, or maybe even explains(?) the early garbage play.

i dont' really think he stumbled in early game, and i think that this doesn't look like scum-him
he's posting, playing, there's an underlying thought process that is driving his posts, and i feel like you can see him trying to sort people and understand people's motivations
i don't think scum-him really exhibits that

[Venus Fly Trap]

i don't think pooky is like that at all
i also thought it was noraa posting this morning

[Venus Fly Trap]

Wisdom, it's not a scumread. You literally cannot know that for certain on Day 1 unless your role PM is red. This is a logical necessity. The only way you can derive that information is if you know the alignments of all players involved.

The only way you know the alignments of all players involved is if you are scum, since there are two factions and you know all the scum.

QED, if you state that with certainty those two are TvT, you are scum.

Do you state with certainty that those two are TvT? Make a stance, don't deflect or use weasel words. Yes or no.

fwiw i think you're conflating 'being very confident in my reads' with 'i know (due to my role pm) that 2 people are tvt'
(and i think it's a given that wisdom meant it in the former and not the latter)

[Venus Fly Trap]

VOTE: EMMI
I wanna try this for a bit.

i think you should have stayed on bears but this is a decent alternative

[Venus Fly Trap]

Skitter i have stuff to say to you but it probably has to wait till i have a comp again. So much of your stance on m&m seemed like it shouldnt have contributed to a scumread and i dont like that you ended up voting there after the blurb you had

ok sure, let's talk abt it more when ur on a computer

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Wisdom, it's not a scumread. You literally cannot know that for certain on Day 1 unless your role PM is red. This is a logical necessity. The only way you can derive that information is if you know the alignments of all players involved.

The only way you know the alignments of all players involved is if you are scum, since there are two factions and you know all the scum.

QED, if you state that with certainty those two are TvT, you are scum.

Do you state with certainty that those two are TvT? Make a stance, don't deflect or use weasel words. Yes or no.

fwiw i think you're conflating 'being very confident in my reads' with 'i know (due to my role pm) that 2 people are tvt'
(and i think it's a given that wisdom meant it in the former and not the latter)

I made it very clear that I was referring to the latter, while making room for him to claim the former. That he didn't is concerning, in my eyes. I made it abundantly clear what my meaning was and even hinted to the correct answer, but here we are.

[Towelie]

Fix it by voting kyouko s_s or emmi

Bite me

I could vote Emmi tho

[Venus Fly Trap]

I made it very clear that I was referring to the latter, while making room for him to claim the former. That he didn't is concerning, in my eyes. I made it abundantly clear what my meaning was and even hinted to the correct answer, but here we are.

no offense but i think ur reading too much into it

~ skitteR

[Wisdom]

Emmi is my last favorite vote of the bunch because id rather lim skilled scum but if it happens ill join

[Wisdom]

least*

[Towelie]

I made it very clear that I was referring to the latter

I have to strain my suspension of disbelief that you felt that this would elicit an alignment indicative response vs someone treating it like how i and skitter said

-b