Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

[Tamora's Angel]

Hey. Thanks for having me. I'll largely be an evening poster.

VOTE: Norwee

[Tamora's Angel]

Deimos, are you track-immune or watch-immune?

Asking for an friend.

The solution is left as an exercise for the reader

VOTE: Deimos

The answer is yes.

[Tamora's Angel]

We should set NM to E-1 specifically so he is unable to do his self-vote opening

What makes you think N_M reads before he posts?

wake up babes new scum strat just dropped

Is the first elimination always town? Because how are you supposed to know who's who?

I'm a little confused
but no it's not always town, but town is, numbers-wise, always the most likely elimination, as they are the majority

redtea, do you see a problem with this post? It's not fatal but it's big. I am going to look through your other games to see if it is common for you.

[Tamora's Angel]

Particular tell inconclusive. Tonally redtea's different than their completed town games.

VOTE: redtea

[Tamora's Angel]

Nope. That's not the problem.

I don't reference ongoing or use things I can't point to. How do you think you've changed?

[Tamora's Angel]

We should set NM to E-1 specifically so he is unable to do his self-vote opening

What makes you think N_M reads before he posts?

wake up babes new scum strat just dropped

Is the first elimination always town? Because how are you supposed to know who's who?

I'm a little confused
but no it's not always town, but

town is,

numbers-wise, always the most likely elimination, as

they

are the majority

[Tamora's Angel]

I agree that's possible, so I went through redtea's finished games looking for the same pronoun usage but realized the task was too difficult.

What I did find is a tonal shift between this game and his other town games. I'm curious how redtea actually intended to change and see if that caused their shift or if it's a red PM.

[Tamora's Angel]

*their not his my bad

[Tamora's Angel]

I think redtea got slightly scummier over [their] last few posts btw

.....
i'm just. Going to let people on this list who've played more with me address this. I really don't see anything out of the ordinary, so if nothing else, it'll tell me who to scumread.

So I take it you're a meta person?

[Tamora's Angel]

In fact although Dorsey is a good vote I currently prefer exploring this direction
VOTE: redtea

Hmmm. Why is Dorsey a good vote?

[Tamora's Angel]

I'd vote Kop and I don't necessarily TR Noraa yet.

Also, I lean town on EE.

[Tamora's Angel]

[Tamora's Angel]

There's some Nain worshippers up in this place.

[Tamora's Angel]

TA I'm lost and you're my only tr can you shed light

Nain is the God of Power. Some folks be scummy voting for control.

[Tamora's Angel]

Don't really do micros but Kop/A50 plus one on Dorsey wagon is where I'd go.

[Tamora's Angel]

Kop's one post says nothing and does nothing. It's way behind too and we don't have a lot of posts.

[Tamora's Angel]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Tamora's Angel]

Why not?

[Tamora's Angel]

The catch is I have too many townreads among the trying players.

[Tamora's Angel]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Could be but NM is an asset to town until proven scum so no I'd rather not. I'll try to poke him a bit today to get some content.

I'm not seeing how NM is an asset right now. Don't get me wrong, he can be a liability as town but I feel a bit PoE on his slot.

[Tamora's Angel]

Yesterday's "oh geez" accidental hammer needs to be held accountable and that is why I am voting Noraa. They need to be at least on the table for elimination today.

I agree Noraa can't live until elo.

[Tamora's Angel]

Yesterday's "oh geez" accidental hammer needs to be held accountable and that is why I am voting Noraa. They need to be at least on the table for elimination today.

I agree Noraa can't live until elo.

Won't we be in elo tomorrow if we miselim? Are you that confident NM is scum to vote him here?

The problem is I don't feel either can live until elo. NM I feel even worse about.

[Tamora's Angel]

@TA, chime in on my argument for limming Kop at some point. The TL;DR was that if you tr me, Norwee, and Noraa it only takes the additional premiss of not!(scum!redtea & scum!NM) to guarantee Kop-scum.

I can't go with not!scum NM. Noraa feels town by her play today but it's hard to trust after the hammer. I have seen those hammers come from town. That's why I am not voting Noraa.

So that leaves me with you and EE as solid town.

Pool of Noraa, redtea, Kop, NM.

That means looking through to see who I can eliminate.

[Tamora's Angel]

I don't read the game like that unless absolutely forced to or scum are eliminated. With no content from NM it would be hard to eliminate him as partners with anyone.

[Tamora's Angel]

I don't think hard distancing is the way scum act here when we're royally chasing our tails.

[Tamora's Angel]

In a pool of {redtea, Kop, NM} that's enough to guarantee Kop being scum. In a pool of {Noraa, redtea, Kop, NM) it guarantees at least 1 scum in {Noraa, Kop}

I don't follow this conclusion.

[Tamora's Angel]

The crazy thing is that if I think redtea vs Noraa isn't distancing

nor

redtea voting NM

nor

vulture now voting redtea is distancing then I'm committed to the view that redtea is town and I don't feel like that's something I'm ready to accept at all.

I'm sorry for asking but we have wildly different communicating styles. Can you go slower?

[Tamora's Angel]

I need to catch up from last night but I seriously wonder why no one has FoSed me.

[Tamora's Angel]

@STD, Because we're close to Elo?

[Tamora's Angel]

redtea, where are your current reads?

[Tamora's Angel]

Kinda meh on redtea. Who is defending him? I'm expecting someone to, regardless of his alignment.

[Tamora's Angel]

VOTE: redtea

It can't be in elo and game has stalled.

[Tamora's Angel]

First instinct is EE town and STD scum but I want to see more.

[Tamora's Angel]

Reality bites.

I'll take a look at this soon.

[Tamora's Angel]

Still thinking STD.

I think NM was deliberately not playing as scum.

[Tamora's Angel]

STD and Vulture make the most sense.

Noraa feels tonally town.
EE is probably town but if he's not we've imploded too far to catch him.

[Tamora's Angel]

Is it PoE?

I think Noraa is pretty good at sounding townie or hyperposting when they are scum.

Yes largely. I know you aren't wrong but I feel tonally that is the case. I'm not as sure here but I just feel she's town. I'm reevaluating because elo though.

[Tamora's Angel]

deimos town
norwee town
norra scum

guess that means it's noraa and redtea

Do you really think STD opens like this if Noraa is his partner?

[Tamora's Angel]

If i didn’t think that, i wouldn’t have said it.

So that opening has no bearing on your thoughts whatsoever?

Why doesn't it?

[Tamora's Angel]

Boo.

[Tamora's Angel]

I'm not gonna vote, but i do lean more on the side of Vulture being town here than Noraa.

I feel the same strategically but disagree with the conclusion.

I'd like to hear STD chime in.

[Tamora's Angel]

I'm not gonna vote, but i do lean more on the side of Vulture being town here than Noraa.

I feel the same strategically but disagree with the conclusion.

I'd like to hear STD chime in.

You’re gonna have to explain what that means champ.

I agree not voting is good but I think Noraa is town.

[Tamora's Angel]

I'm thinking STD and Vulture here. I feel pretty strongly here.

STD Noraa doesn't make any sense.

I don't see how STD is town here.

[Tamora's Angel]

Meh. Game’s lost because of Tamora so.

You act as if I have made up my mind.

I'm tempted to vote STD here just to clear NorwegianboyEE as town.

[Tamora's Angel]

Conftown me

[Tamora's Angel]

Well only scum w Noraa

[Tamora's Angel]

Hello.

[Tamora's Angel]

I'm busy today but taking time to see this for lunch.

[Tamora's Angel]

hmm. i'm having trouble with who is noraa's partner

So you ruled out NorwegianboyEE then?

[Tamora's Angel]

This doesn't make a lot of sense though STD. If Noraa is town from your PoV, then why haven't you been hammered?

[Tamora's Angel]

This is a strange elo, and I've seen a bunch.

[Tamora's Angel]

Well that happened. Girl's gotta read.

[Tamora's Angel]

Also I have been asking Tamara for her vote whereas you've been pressuring her into voting with you saying that the game is lost when she's literally explicitly said she wasn't decided like lol one comes from a town mindset while the other very clearly doesn't. Psychological tricks and pressure are scum tools.

Manipulation is a dirty word for persuasion.

[Tamora's Angel]

You all have done a fair amount of AtE.

[Tamora's Angel]

This basically boils down to....
Was I terribly right or terribly wrong? No other way to cut it

[Tamora's Angel]

I'm going to sleep on this

[Tamora's Angel]

I have plans every Saturday. :/ I plan on devoting time this evening.

[Tamora's Angel]

People can you talk to me.

[Tamora's Angel]

Your solves... case people...tell me what I should look at...flail.

I don't like pressure in games where I have been horrible.

[Tamora's Angel]

Why did your read on Vulture change?

[Tamora's Angel]

What about Noraa vulture as a team?

[Tamora's Angel]

Going to vote Noraa in a few hours.

[Tamora's Angel]

Vulture, how do you feel emotionally?

[Tamora's Angel]

I was reaction fishing. I didn't get the reaction I was hoping for. That would have made this easier.

[Tamora's Angel]

VOTE: Noraa

Came down to why was I alive in elo

[Tamora's Angel]

Sorry in advance if wrong