Micro 1031: Elephant Love Song Medley

[Amy Dunne]

I’m just really glad I got to play.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Amy Dunne

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

I can make a naked vote to you know.

[Amy Dunne]

Day 51: We Should Probably Address the Elephant in the Room at Some Point

Vote Count A 1.00

Amy Dunne (1):

Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia (0):

MegAzumarill (0):

SLTheViper (0):

Dunstrall (0):

CheekyTeeky (0):

Taly (0):

Queen (0):

No Elim (0):

What, you want to not play the game any more or something? No. Never. We refuse! THERE MUST BE BLOOD!

Not Voting (7):

You KNOW Who You Are

With 8 alive, it takes

5

to force someone to abandon between 1 and 3 lovers, cruelly ending all of their hopes and dreams for a lasting relationship. Not doing this isn't an option.

Vote Count B 1.00

Amy Dunne (1):

Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia (0):

MegAzumarill (0):

SLTheViper (0):

Dunstrall (0):

CheekyTeeky (0):

Taly (0):

Queen (0):

No Elim (0):

What, you want to not play the game any more or something? No. Never. We refuse! THERE MUST BE BLOOD!

Not Voting (7):

You KNOW Who You Are

With 8 alive, it takes

5

to force someone to abandon between 1 and 3 lovers, cruelly ending all of their hopes and dreams for a lasting relationship. Not doing this isn't an option.

Vote Count C 1.00

Amy Dunne (1):

Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia (0):

MegAzumarill (0):

SLTheViper (0):

Dunstrall (0):

CheekyTeeky (0):

Taly (0):

Queen (0):

No Elim (0):

What, you want to not play the game any more or something? No. Never. We refuse! THERE MUST BE BLOOD!

Not Voting (7):

You KNOW Who You Are

With 8 alive, it takes

5

to force someone to abandon between 1 and 3 lovers, cruelly ending all of their hopes and dreams for a lasting relationship. Not doing this isn't an option.

NM is actually correct that I am not mafia.

I also am extremely stoked that I got one of my favourite pairings. I just can’t wait for them to make another post. We even traded anime gifs.

[Amy Dunne]

Mech talk:

In this setup it is established that it is pro-town to reveal lover pairs immediately. This is because mafia already know 2 of the 4 pairs, and the last 2 can either be inferred or don't really matter to them.

In this run perhaps even more so, because things are entangled in weird ways.

Meg, Taly <3, Queen

[Amy Dunne]

Why is no one around whenever I want to talk?

[Amy Dunne]

What do you want to talk about?

Anything game related. We could talk in our PT as well. I’m just hoping that someone starts posting something useful to help me make some reads.

[Amy Dunne]

Mech talk:

In this setup it is established that it is pro-town to reveal lover pairs immediately. This is because mafia already know 2 of the 4 pairs, and the last 2 can either be inferred or don't really matter to them.

In this run perhaps even more so, because things are entangled in weird ways.

Meg, Taly <3, Queen

I agree with Dunne, I think everyone should claim and not doing so is sketchy.

[Amy Dunne]

I thought you were saying you agreed with yourself.
2 dunns

I only replaced into myself but I actually agree with Dunne. XD

[Amy Dunne]

NM and MAzu are scum.
MAzu and NM are scum.
Taly and Amy are scum.
Amy and Taly are scum.
Jingle is the best mod.
The best mods have a Jingle.

NO, I am not scum and based on my individual PTs, I don’t believe Taly and Meg are either. I have absolutely no read on Queen yet. The one thing you actually got right was about Jingle being the best mod and that’s probably the only thing. Whatever you are in this game, you should be a lot more careful about trying to push miselims, unless you’re actually scum and in that case, have at it.

[Amy Dunne]

You seem to pay attention to detail!

All right, I'll make 6 statements of my own just to make this a little more fun.

1. Cheeky

is scum in at least one game.

2. Not_Mafia

and

Amy

are not S/S in any game.

3.

I am not voting any of my lovers this phase.

4.

Math is a distraction.

5.

Surprised you questioned giving info about lovers out but still give it out anyway,

Cheeky

.

6.

Wait, I think you are a hydra? Haha, that's not a statement, but this is.

Oh, and by the way...

The best mods have a Jingle.

Toucans can be parrots

It’s definitely possible if her reads are seriously this bad because she actually puts more effort into trying to sort as town.

Me and Taly think it’s unlikely that anyone rolled triple scum, so my working theory is that the scumiest players are some combo of T - M - M.

[Amy Dunne]

If you're taking what was clearly me just naming people that aren't my lovers as scum as an opportunity to cast shade on my innocence then let the record show that Amy has a (1/8) * 3 chance of being Scum and a 90% chance of just being scummy.

I mean you try sorting 3 alignments at once before you start hating.

I’m neither “hating” on you nor being “scummy” but you’re calling me scum, I don’t even understand why because I think I’ve been very townie, so your read on me makes zero sense. I also have good reason to think you’re also offbase about Meg and Taly because both have made pretty townie sounding posts in my PTs. I have no read on Queen yet because they haven’t posted anything AI in our PT - one way or the other and apparently that’s also the case with Taly. I’m curious what the third player they’re paired with has to say about them.

[Amy Dunne]

My loves are Dunnstral, Queen, SLtheViper.

Oh, it’s you, so what’s your read on all your lovers?

[Amy Dunne]

NM and MAzu are scum.
MAzu and NM are scum.
Taly and Amy are scum.
Amy and Taly are scum.
Jingle is the best mod.
The best mods have a Jingle.

NO, I am not scum and based on my individual PTs, I don’t believe Taly and Meg are either. I have absolutely no read on Queen yet. The one thing you actually got right was about Jingle being the best mod and that’s probably the only thing. Whatever you are in this game, you should be a lot more careful about trying to push miselims, unless you’re actually scum and in that case, have at it.

For what, all 3 games? You got all that from your pts?

I’m basing my reads on my individual PTs for now. For their other games, I would need to get input from their lovers as well and I would expect the same thing when applied to me. I also of course need to take into account their posts in the main threads as well.

So, if someone in a different PT is saying something completely different about their read on my lovers, I’m obviously going to take that into account.

I don’t dislike Meg’s or Taly’s posts in the main thread either. I also feel pretty good about you and NM so far.

[Amy Dunne]

CheekyTeeky, SLTheViper, Taly; in that order

And what are your reads on them? Has Viper posted anywhere?

[Amy Dunne]

NM and MAzu are scum.
MAzu and NM are scum.
Taly and Amy are scum.
Amy and Taly are scum.
Jingle is the best mod.
The best mods have a Jingle.

I just noticed, you are sr NM, can you tell me why?

[Amy Dunne]

NM and MAzu are scum.
MAzu and NM are scum.
Taly and Amy are scum.
Amy and Taly are scum.
Jingle is the best mod.
The best mods have a Jingle.

I just noticed, you are sr NM, can you tell me why?

And don’t you have anyone you’re tr? On rereading this, is this post in jest because you don’t have a single tr mentioned.

[Amy Dunne]

And Cheeky as Meg and NM listed twice and me and Taly. Why are you listing all of us twice but with reversing the order? @Cheeky

[Amy Dunne]

Trying to sort for 3 different games at the same time with no flips is challenging. With no pressure on anyone, it's not possible.

I'm fine with eliminating SLTheViper, who did confirm in the pt but never posted in thread.

I'm also fine with eliminating Amy Dunne because I think their defense based on little is suspicious.

If Amy is scum, she could be partnered with Taly or Meg, or with Taly or Meg's partners in one of the pairings. That's a lot of possibilities for being paired with someone she is defending here.

Also, I disagree with the last line of 81. What is a miselim here? This first elimination results in six alignments being revealed, there is a good chance that at least one of those is mafia.

Each setup has 2 town-town pairs, and 2 town-mafia pairs. That means that mafia exists in 50% of pairs in each game. The chance of us eliminating somebody and having everybody flip town is 12.5%.

Yoi shouldn’t be fine with eliminating me, since I’m clearly trying to figure out this game. What is suspicious? I would really like to know why you are down with eliminating a slot who is clearly actively engaged and trying to solve?

I am trying to figure out this game and if people can’t see that and they clearly aren’t reading my posts.

I am very obviously not scum here Dunn and I don’t understand how you’re not seeing that.

[Amy Dunne]

Me and Taly think it’s unlikely that anyone rolled triple scum, so my working theory is that the scumiest players are some combo of T - M - M.

And how do you define the scummiest players?

Well, based on that last post, you’re not correctly reading me anyway, so I don’t know why I’m even bothering but my theory is based on motive. I think that double scum players have the most invested in playing to a scum wincon. As I already said, I think the odds of any triple scum players is statistically extremely low.

It’s very frustrating that I am getting sr for genuinely trying to solve, so that’s kind’ve pissing me off. If I’m scum, I don’t care and don’t try to solve, which anyone who is not blind can clearly see I’m doing.

[Amy Dunne]

Also Dunne, did it ever occur to you that I might actually have better than rand reads? I have a pretty decent track record on having significantly better > then rand reads. In my most recent game, I correctly nailed the entire scumteam but we still lost because I didn’t trust that my associative tells were all correct and for the right reasons and I unfortunately doubted myself and allowed myself to get talked out of my correct reads.

[Amy Dunne]

You are trying to use tone to read and be read, and I think that with no pressure and flips, there is no way that kind of thing will work in this setup. Most people are going to be a mix of town and mafia in their games

My point is it’s really silly to elim in active and engaged slots who are very obviously trying to solve and I don’t understand you’re thinking that is ever a good idea.

[Amy Dunne]

CheekyTeeky, SLTheViper, Taly; in that order

And what are your reads on them? Has Viper posted anywhere?

Are you planning on answering this or not?

[Amy Dunne]

My loves are Dunnstral, Queen, SLtheViper.

Oh, it’s you, so what’s your read on all your lovers?

Well since nothing has happened yet, there's no way for me to know the alignment of my pairs in all 3 of their games. As I said, SLTheViper posted to confirm then never again. Trying to tr people here is sort of nonsensical

I just want some impressions. Are you saying that you don’t have any on any of them other than apparently Viper?

No it’s not. At the very least, you can get valid impressions on the particular game each of your PTs are in and I would really like to hear what your initial impressions are of your lovers.

[Amy Dunne]

We obviously can’t know anyone’s alignment before they flip but that’s true of any game but you try to utilize all available info you can and yes, I want to hear everyone’s thoughts about their lovers especially if other players are as bad as Dunn on reading me and I don’t get the luxury of flips before I can make a helpful contribution to figuring out this game and so far, I like what I’ve see from both Meg and Taly so you can fucking bite me, Dunn.

[Amy Dunne]

Also Dunne, did it ever occur to you that I might actually have better than rand reads?

No

Then rethink it then, because I do and I probably have better reads than you based off games I’ve played with you where you incorrectly sr my trs.

[Amy Dunne]

You are trying to use tone to read and be read, and I think that with no pressure and flips, there is no way that kind of thing will work in this setup. Most people are going to be a mix of town and mafia in their games

Hopefully I live long enough to actually see a flip or two but without them, I’m doing my best to try to solve on D1 but if you won’t give me the chance, then I think this post is extremely unfair. Yes, flips matter but what would you like me to do Dunn? Twiddle my thumbs and do nothing until that happens? You want to kill me before I even get the chance to see a goddamned flip, so I’m working with with what I’ve got so far and I’m actually less upset that you wrongly sr me and a lot more that you disparage my scumhunting abilities. Get informed before you make ill informed comments like that which are backed up with plenty of evidence. I’m seriously tired of people disparaging my abilities to make good reads and if people don’t listen to me after I flip - whenever that may be and we lose, it’s on them because FACT: my reads are significantly better than rand and they’re improving every single game I’m in.

[Amy Dunne]

Am with amy dunne in game A.
N_M the other two.

What is your read on NM in both games?

[Amy Dunne]

[Amy Dunne]

The theme for the song contest is disney.

Spoiler:

[Amy Dunne]

Am with amy dunne in game A.
N_M the other two.

What is your read on NM in both games?

NM and I haven't really been talking much in PT.
Honestly I don't know how to read the cow.

I liked him initially but he’s hasn’t really done anything, so that’s fallen off.

[Amy Dunne]

Nobody is allowed to vote for me, Radical Rat or MegAzumarril

Why not Rat?

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Taly

Don't want to kill rat by way of miltank.

I think he’s town.

Taly.

[Amy Dunne]

Nobody is allowed to vote for me, Radical Rat or MegAzumarril

Fine.
VOTE: MegAzumarill

What happened to this?

I questioned his Rat read because they’re a dead null to me based off of what they posted in the main thread but I liked Meg in my PT and I like NM for that post but I’m not necessarily going to sheep him based on it unless I have reasons to to agree or disagree with that read.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Taly
Don't want to kill rat by way of miltank.

I meant this. So, did I misunderstand your post?

[Amy Dunne]

I like rat in my pt they're the only one talking to me lol

I just don't think the pts can be useful yet.

They can be to some extent but just being active isn’t in itself necessarily town indicative. I liked the posts both Taly and Meg posted in mine, based off of content.

[Amy Dunne]

This game is hard because it makes scumhunting difficult. This game is interesting because it makes scumhunting difficult. This setup is 100% Jingle.

[Amy Dunne]

I feel like I'm being called promiscuous.

Spoiler:

[Amy Dunne]

Because I'm triple Town, and would much rather eliminate scum.

I don't really have a way to prove that without dying though, and I suspect everyone is just going to claim the same thing, since obviously scum isn't going to be claiming as such.

Do you have a reason why I SHOULD be the lim?

Well exactly, everyone can claim that, so I need more from you then just a claim. Do you have reads on anyone else besides Queen?

[Amy Dunne]

Hello, it turns out the viper was actually a rat! And that rat is me!

Anyway, all of my lovers already revealed themselves, but for convenience's sake...

Not_Mafia game A
Dunnstral game B
CheekyTeeky game C

Perhaps understandably so, the lover PTs were pretty empty, and not much seems to have happened here aside from proclaiming our loves. However...

VOTE: Queen
Lurker wagons are boring and easy scum pushes

Specifically, what are your reads on NM, Dunn and Cheeky?

[Amy Dunne]

@mod, how much time we got left?

[Amy Dunne]

Honestly, I'm pretty null on most slots, it doesn't really feel like we've had much content all around.

Out of my lovers, I think I'd probably put Dunnstral as nullscum? He hasn't said a word at all in the Lovers PT, and then naked voting me here struck me as very odd. The willingness to die along with me

seems

towny, but that only applies to Game B for him, and he could still be scum in one or both of the other two.

NM and Cheeky are roughly the same at nulltown, though I think NM feels slightly better to me, partially because Meg asking if I have a reason I shouldn't be the lim feels hollow in this setup where we'd all have exactly the same answer, and there can't be T/S pairs.

It concerns me that you comment on all of your lovers but don’t really have a positive read on any. NM read really doesn’t count. Meg’s question is decent because reaction testing is usually protown.

[Amy Dunne]

You specifically asked me to comment on my lovers though? I don't understand the point you're trying to make here.

Yes, I’ve asked everyone that but your answers were all varying degrees of negative. It doesn’t look great that there’s not even one slot you feel reasonably good about.

[Amy Dunne]

I don't consider nulltown to be negative, but go off I guess

NM, Taly, Cheeky and me had strong positive reads on at least one of our lovers, so nulltown reads hedgey.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Rat

E -1

[Amy Dunne]

Spoiler:

Radical Rat has been eliminated, and may no longer post in this thread.

Radical Rat was

A) Mafia
B) Town
C) Town

Not_Mafia has cried himself to a permanent sleep in Game A and was Town

Dunnstral has locked himself away from the rest of humanity in Game B and was Town

Cheeky Teeky has been crushed by overwhelming despair in Game C and was Mafia

Whoa, well we now know why Cheeky wasn’t eager to vote out Rat.

[Amy Dunne]

Day 708: What do you mean I can't copy/paste all three Vote Counts any more?

Vote Count A 2.00

Amy Dunne (0):

MegAzumarill (0):

Dunstrall (0):

CheekyTeeky (0):

Taly (0):

Queen (0):

No Elim (0):

What, you want to not play the game any more or something? No. Never. We refuse! THERE MUST BE BLOOD!

Not Voting (6):

Amy Dunne, MegAzumarill, Dunnstral, CheekyTeeky, Taly, Queen

With 6 alive, it takes

4

to force someone to abandon between 1 and 3 lovers, cruelly ending all of their hopes and dreams for a lasting relationship. Not doing this isn't an option.

Vote Count B 2.00

Amy Dunne (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

MegAzumarill (0):

CheekyTeeky (0):

Taly (0):

Queen (0):

No Elim (0):

What, you want to not play the game any more or something? No. Never. We refuse! THERE MUST BE BLOOD!

Not Voting (6):

Amy Dunne, MegAzumarill, Not_Mafia, CheekyTeeky, Taly, Queen

With 6 alive, it takes

4

to force someone to abandon between 1 and 3 lovers, cruelly ending all of their hopes and dreams for a lasting relationship. Not doing this isn't an option.

Vote Count C 2.00

Amy Dunne (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

MegAzumarill (0):

Dunstrall (0):

Taly (0):

Queen (0):

No Elim (0):

What, you want to not play the game any more or something? No. Never. We refuse! THERE MUST BE BLOOD!

Not Voting (6):

Amy Dunne, MegAzumarill, Dunnstral, Not_Mafia, Taly, Queen

With 6 alive, it takes

4

to force someone to abandon between 1 and 3 lovers, cruelly ending all of their hopes and dreams for a lasting relationship. Not doing this isn't an option.

We now have three separate vote counts? wild.

[Amy Dunne]

@mod, can you prod Taly?

[Amy Dunne]

I'm on VLA. I'll be present in the game tomorrow.

Great, I’m missing you in our lover’s PT.

[Amy Dunne]

Queen, Cheeky? How do you read each other?

[Amy Dunne]

Game A:

Taly

| Queen
Game B: Taly |

Amy Dunne

Game C: Taly |

Dunnstral

VOTE: Taly

Your read on me is really bad. So who do you think is my buddy in game B? I’m positively dying to know.

[Amy Dunne]

Game A:

Taly

| Queen
Game B: Taly |

Amy Dunne

Game C:

Taly

|

Dunnstral

VOTE: Taly

This is more accurate, Taly is probably scum in either A or C,

Amy Dunne is probably scum in B due to their early defense of Taly

Nope, try again.

[Amy Dunne]

There is not enough information to figure that out yet. It is not necessary to figure that out yet. Also, I voted for Taly.

And there won’t be because I don’t have one.

[Amy Dunne]

Game A:

Taly

| Queen
Game B: Taly |

Amy Dunne

Game C: Taly |

Dunnstral

VOTE: Taly

Is there some reason you don’t have Cheeky as scum in game C?

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Taly
Don't want to kill rat by way of miltank.

Are you not reading the game Dunn? Cheeky wanted to elim Taly, so I don’t understand how you have Taly as a Cheeky buddy in game C.

[Amy Dunne]

Cheeky is not lover pairs with Taly

Oh nm, I misunderstood. At any rate, my confidence in Taly!town is less strong due to Rat being town in gamesB and C but since we know Cheeky is scum in game C, shouldn’t we be trying to find her buddy? Like I seriously don’t know what you’re thinking.

[Amy Dunne]

but since we know Cheeky is scum in game C, shouldn’t we be trying to find her buddy?

What do you think I'm doing?

Taly, Cheeky, and Radical Rat were the 3 that were not on the vote. Radical Rat was scum in game A, Cheeky was scum in Game C. That makes Taly more likely to be mafia in games A and C, while being neutral in game B.

And then you look at their iso, are they particularly town? No, they aren't.

I mean it’s possible since Rat is town in B and C but the fact that your basing it on my early read is a really bad metric because I’m town, so you should take that out of the equation is all I’m saying,

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Taly
Don't want to kill rat by way of miltank.

Ya need 2 more votes to get me to blink, sis.

Fine.
VOTE: MegAzumarill

I don't find this particularly convincing.

So you’re saying Cheeky distanced Taly?

[Amy Dunne]

Why not solve Game A? I think Amy since they went straight to game C.

VOTE: Cheeky

Good point.
I voted Rat and you were reluctant to vote him.

[Amy Dunne]

Why not solve Game A? I think Amy since they went straight to game C.

You'd like that wouldn't you

#218 reads really scummy to me, that Cheeky specifically mentions game A. It makes me think that she just tmi’d me town in that game.

[Amy Dunne]

Why not solve Game A? I think Amy since they went straight to game C.

It’s this post I consider scummy. Why would you think I was scum in game A?

[Amy Dunne]

I think you're scum in A dafaq

Maybe it is Taly and Cheeky is trying to save him?

[Amy Dunne]

I think you're scum in A dafaq

Because I know there’s no way you think this. You flipped scum in game C, so why don’t you just tell us who your buddy is? We obviously don’t have the luxury of asking Rat that.

[Amy Dunne]

Why won’t you tell us who your buddy is instead of shading me? Who are you trying to protect? Taly?

[Amy Dunne]

I think you're scum in A dafaq

Why would Amy votes Radical Rat to E-1 if they were scum in group A?

The wagon wasn't going anywhere so why not cruise it for town cred. Obvs imo.

Why didn't you do that then?

I pseudo did by conceding it was a fine wagon.

I actually voted, I put him to E - 1 and you shading me specifically for game A, is extremely suss. I know you’re trying to throw us off with this.

[Amy Dunne]

Why won’t you tell us who your buddy is instead of shading me? Who are you trying to protect? Taly?

You know that's against the rules so this try-hard for no reason schtick is just further evidence of your red role PM grrrrl.

Well I don’t think it’s Meg, since you tried to get her elimed instead of Rat. You’re not going to get me to drop this but nice try though.

[Amy Dunne]

Unfortunately, I think you are both mafia in different games arguing as mafia within your specific games I await town voices.

Well you’re wrong, I thought Rat was likely scum in more than one game based off both he but especially his predecessor posted, so it’s silly to suss me on my early Taly read. I defended Meg too, remember.

I obviously have to now reacess due to that. Meg is extremely eager to solve, so I still feel more confident about her and the fact that Cheeky stayed on her, makes me think her buddy is unlikely to be Meg.

[Amy Dunne]

Cheeky is definitely not arguing in good faith right now, she is still playing for game C

And that’s why I want her dead because she’s derailing. Whatever she is in games A and B, it’s clear she cares principally about saving her buddy in game C and isn’t interested in solving.

[Amy Dunne]

Radical rat was paired with me in group B. we were both town in that game. That's the game I think you are scum in.

Well if you do wind up flipping Taly, I guarantee you will find out otherwise, regardless of whatever he flips.

[Amy Dunne]

Whatever she is in games A and B, it’s clear she cares principally about saving her buddy in game C and isn’t interested in solving.

We should be voting her buddy instead of Cheeky right now

And you’re convinced it’s Taly. I’m not certain. He has been V/LA and I want to hear more from him. I have nothing to hide because I will flip town if you flip him, regardless of what you think.

[Amy Dunne]

Who's the remaining pair in Game A if not Dunn/me Amy/Taly is it MegA/Queen?

If it is then one of them hardbussed but I don’t think it’s Meg based off of how solvey she’s been in both the main thread and in our PT.

[Amy Dunne]

So two birds 1 stone if we go Amy it flips Taly game 1 and Amy will flip game 2.

Okay Dunn is right, you’re not arguing anything in good faith right now. I think it’s beyond obvious I’m not scum in either games A or B and I know I’m not your buddy.

My vote stays.

[Amy Dunne]

Whatever she is in games A and B, it’s clear she cares principally about saving her buddy in game C and isn’t interested in solving.

We should be voting her buddy instead of Cheeky right now

And you’re convinced it’s Taly. I’m not certain. He has been V/LA and I want to hear more from him. I have nothing to hide because I will flip town if you flip him, regardless of what you think.

Why are you ignoring this Cheeky?

[Amy Dunne]

Game A:

Taly

|

Queen

Game B: Taly |

Amy Dunne

Game C:

Taly

|

Dunnstral

I am town in C. Cheeky agrees it is Amy in B, and thinks it 'could be' taly in A.

So, her motivations only line up a certain way here. If Cheeky were town in both A and B with Taly as town in C, She should be happy to vote Taly in groups A and B, while getting to miselim in group C.

Assuming this isn't wifom, of course. Still, the simplest explanation is that Taly is mafia in group C, and Cheeky is arguing around that.

Well that’s my concern. She’s working overtime to make us think it’s Taly and maybe it is. It could be either which is why I want to hear from Taly. It’s possible she’s pushing me and her buddy isn’t Taly, so when Taly posts, I expect things to become alot clearer.

[Amy Dunne]

Whatever she is in games A and B, it’s clear she cares principally about saving her buddy in game C and isn’t interested in solving.

We should be voting her buddy instead of Cheeky right now

And you’re convinced it’s Taly. I’m not certain. He has been V/LA and I want to hear more from him. I have nothing to hide because I will flip town if you flip him, regardless of what you think.

Dunn. do you think I make this post if I am scum in game B or any game for that matter?

[Amy Dunne]

I am not going to autovote Taly soley because of your incorrect read on me. You will find out I’m not lying if he’s flipped. It’s not scummy to want to hear what Taly says. I think it’s crucial to find out who’s the scum in game B and if I haven’t made it beyond abundantly clear yet, it’s not me.

[Amy Dunne]

I could vote Taly, drive a wagon on him, because I know his flip, whatever it is will 100% exonerate me but what if Taly is also town in game B, then you kill two townies.

I want to hear what Taly has to say because I like his initial posts in our PT and I also know that inactivity is nai for him. We need to look at everyone, not get stuck in tunnel vision.

[Amy Dunne]

If he is not Cheeky’s buddy I mean as well, which I will have a much better idea when he posts.

[Amy Dunne]

As for Game A, it could be Cheeky or Taly or it’s also possible Rat was bussed. I know I’m town and we work from there.

[Amy Dunne]

Is that correct?

I think so. I’m glad someone finally made a chart.

[Amy Dunne]

Queen, Cheeky? How do you read each other?

I’m not thrilled that Cheeky completely ignored this.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy would be fine but I don't think there is much interest there.

Because everyone knows you’re agenda is to protect your buddy which very clearly isn’t me. I would vote the exact opposite of whatever Cheeky’s advocating.

[Amy Dunne]

Other B scum is Between CT and Queen

I find it interesting that Queen hasn’t posted at all, when they were so active previous day phase.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Taly
VOTE: MegA

Hmmm . . . this is really interesting.

[Amy Dunne]

Queen, Cheeky? How do you read each other?

I’m not thrilled that Cheeky completely ignored this.

Is everyone complaining ignoring this? Cheeky’s buddy is obviously Queen.

[Amy Dunne]

Queen, Cheeky? How do you read each other?

I’m not thrilled that Cheeky completely ignored this.

Is everyone complaining ignoring this? Cheeky’s buddy is obviously Queen.

Eta: completely

[Amy Dunne]

@mod, can you prod Queen?

[Amy Dunne]

Queen, Cheeky? How do you read each other?

I’m not thrilled that Cheeky completely ignored this.

Is everyone complaining ignoring this? Cheeky’s buddy is obviously Queen.

Cheeky is scum in A or B but not both. Queen is very probably her buddy because she’s not voting him. Scum!Cheeky loses if her buddy gets eliminated. Therefore, based off of Cheeky votes since I think NM is probably town, it has to be Queen because she’s willing to vote both Meg and Taly.

[Amy Dunne]

Queen, Cheeky? How do you read each other?

I’m not thrilled that Cheeky completely ignored this.

Is everyone complaining ignoring this? Cheeky’s buddy is obviously Queen.

Cheeky is scum in A or B but not both. Queen is very probably her buddy because she’s not voting him. Scum!Cheeky loses if her buddy gets eliminated. Therefore, based off of Cheeky votes since I think NM is probably town, it has to be Queen because she’s willing to vote both Meg and Taly.

Her, Queen is a she. Sorry for misgendering you,

[Amy Dunne]

Queen can be scum in game B, not A...I should probably talk to them lol.

So I'm thinking Amy/Taly contains last scum game A and NM/MegA 1 scum and Queen Game B.

Okay so you did respond but you’re not voting Queen in game B? Why not?

We know your buddy is still in the game, so no one can take anything you say at face value because you want to protect your buddy.

This mskes me think Cheeky is probably scum in game A and this post is so freaking hedgey. Cheeky’s naming everyone as potential scum except for Dunn.

It’s a shame we have to take all of your posts with a boatload of salt. You are obviously not going to vote your buddy and we’re not idiots.

[Amy Dunne]

So I'm thinking Amy/Taly contains last scum game A and NM/MegA 1 scum and Queen Game B.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

For game B in case we're doing different day votes now.

Explain this. You claim to be on the fence between NM/Meg but you don’t express doubt on Queen, so shouldn’t you be voting Queen based off of this?

[Amy Dunne]

VLA until 24th

I'm on VLA. I'll be present in the game tomorrow.

I know for a fact that Taly is ellitelling so it’s definitely looking like he’s avoiding this game. Taly can be scum in A or B, not C or else Cheeky wouldn’t be voting him. Meg also can’t be Cheeky’s buddy for the same reason.

I don’t see how it’s not Queen in game C.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Queen

[Amy Dunne]

VLA until 24th

I'm on VLA. I'll be present in the game tomorrow.

I know for a fact that Taly is ellitelling so it’s definitely looking like he’s avoiding this game. Taly can be scum in A or B, not C or else Cheeky wouldn’t be voting him. Meg also can’t be Cheeky’s buddy for the same reason.

I don’t see how it’s not Queen in game C.

There should be a requirement that you can’t just prod dodge and you are required to make one game-related post.

[Amy Dunne]

Taly is being replaced.

:/

Hopefully the replacement is active and readable.

[Amy Dunne]

why is Amy alive

Because I’m town, what’s your excuse?

[Amy Dunne]

Nice I think that table is correct. Statistically speaking there's a greater chance of scum in MegA/NM, and since neither are scum in Game A that might be the better elim in game B.

why isn't MegA scum in game A
also can you explain the numbers please i'm dumb

Queen can be scum in game B, not A...I should probably talk to them lol.

again why

alright I had too many quoted posts where my only response is "what" so I discarded them

I am going to disregard "x is scum in a or b, therefore y is whatever the fuck" if it isn't obvious to a dumbass (me) or doesn't have a 1 paragraph essay written for dummies
like maybe it's just me but just throwing out associatives and complicated accusations without explaining the accompanying conspiracy corkboard doesn't work with 3 games in play imo

Amy Dunne #296
this post actually makes sense
except for the Cheeky scum in game A part i don't get that

Well she’s not voting Queen and I believe Dunn and don’t think it’s NM.

[Amy Dunne]

Alternatively we could not elim me and town can win game B

Game B is prolly just taly queen so qe could Lin them instead

Well, I don’t know who Cheeky’s buddy could be if not Queen because she’s voting you, Taly/Red but not voting Queen and I don’t think it’s NM and Dunn is super obvtown and she knows that because she’s flipped scum, if her buddy gets elimed, she loses game C. So until that’s resolved, it’s extremely difficult to trust anything she’s saying.

[Amy Dunne]

You can trust me, I have a nice smile

I’m sure you’re adorable regardless of alignment but until we catch your buddy, everything you say is suspect.

[Amy Dunne]

why is Amy alive

Because I’m town, what’s your excuse?

sure bully the replace-in

What do you expect based on that comment?

[Amy Dunne]

Nice I think that table is correct. Statistically speaking there's a greater chance of scum in MegA/NM, and since neither are scum in Game A that might be the better elim in game B.

why isn't MegA scum in game A
also can you explain the numbers please i'm dumb

Queen can be scum in game B, not A...I should probably talk to them lol.

again why

alright I had too many quoted posts where my only response is "what" so I discarded them

I am going to disregard "x is scum in a or b, therefore y is whatever the fuck" if it isn't obvious to a dumbass (me) or doesn't have a 1 paragraph essay written for dummies
like maybe it's just me but just throwing out associatives and complicated accusations without explaining the accompanying conspiracy corkboard doesn't work with 3 games in play imo

Amy Dunne #296
this post actually makes sense
except for the Cheeky scum in game A part i don't get that

Well she’s not voting Queen and I believe Dunn and don’t think it’s NM.

So you think CT is trying to get Queen flipped in B without getting them flipped in A because they're partners in A? Is the b flip a legitimate read or do you think she's bending to the pressure on Queen and is trying to appease it?

I don’t think she’s trying to get Queen flipped period, because she’s voting both you and Taly, so that means unless she’s gambiting with that, Queen is her likely buddy in game C.

[Amy Dunne]

Furthermore since I know I am town in B, it has to be 1 of amy/redtea and queen/CT if NM isn't doing some really weird play.

Amy feels extremely townie in our PT (Very inquisitive and solvy)
Ergo Redtea is scum by POE

personal poe based on reads or? otherwise i don't understand the jump from amy/redtea/queen/ct to "it's redtea"

Most likely solve imo
A Redtea/ Radical Rat
B Redtea/ Queen
C Queen/ CheekyTeeky

what do i have to do with game A at all
i barely understand what my slot has to do with game B

This answer is pretty bad. Why do you think you shouldn’t be suspected in either A or B? I think this argument only makes sense for C.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: MegAzumarill

UNVOTE:

???

[Amy Dunne]

I'm scum in B

Oh that makes sense then because Taly seemed pretty townie in our PT.

VOTE: Taly game A
VOTE: Meg game B
VOTE: Queen game C

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Cheeky game A
VOTE: Meg game B
VOTE: Queen game C

This might be better since the way Meg pushed Taly in our PT, doesn’t really fit if Taly’s her buddy, so it’s probably Cheeky then.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Amy

Well voting Amy will flip readtea in game A

Then why are you voting me?

[Amy Dunne]

I think it's amy in group B. why do you guys think it is queen?

You’re wrong. I’m not afraid to vote Taly/red but I don’t think it’s him because Meg was voting him. Unless you think that was somehow wifom?

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Cheeky game A
VOTE: Meg game B
VOTE: Queen game C

This might be better since the way Meg pushed Taly in our PT, doesn’t really fit if Taly’s her buddy, so it’s probably Cheeky then.

You cannot voluntarily separate your votes in this fashion.

The behind the scenes mechanics of this were that you voted Cheeky in game A as game B was pending hammer resolution and Cheeky was dead in Game C.
Then you voted Meg in games A and C, again, because Game B was pending hammer resolution.
Then you voted Queen in games A and C, as Game B was still pending hammer resolution.

The end result of this was you voting Queen in games A and C.

I’m thoroughly confused, I wanted to vote either Cheeky or Red/Taly in game A not Queen, so how can I do that then?

Was my game B Meg vote counted at least?

I stand by my Queen vote for game C.

Should I pm you my votes for the remainder of the game because I still don’t understand what I did wrong?

[Amy Dunne]

Imagine just assuming I wouldn't bus my partner

Hmmm . . . how do we know that you’re not trying to wifom us into voting red/Taly?

[Amy Dunne]

Only the queen vote mattered (it overwrote your red Vote) and i was already dead in B

So, should I just make one vote at a time but I want to vote the player I actually want to vote for and I don’t understand how to make that happen, until Jingle explains this, I don’t want to vote anywhere.

I don’t want to be later told I voted for the player I didn’t intend to vote for.

[Amy Dunne]

Maybe this is an elaborate play and we are actually partners doing theatre.

Maybe I'm just chillin waiting for people to play in the games where i am town

Yeah sure, whatever.

Between you and Cheeky, it’s best to try to find your buddies. I will get a better idea once red posts more in our PT. So far, it’s been underwhelming.

[Amy Dunne]

We all know dunnstral is my partner anyway

You’re hilarious.

Spoiler:

not

[Amy Dunne]

Just vote for queen.

Why should I trust you on anything?

I feel like I should vote Red now but that’s probably what you want me to do, amirite?

[Amy Dunne]

I’m going to listen to anything Meg or Cheeky says until we flip their respective buddies.

[Amy Dunne]

I’m NOT going to listen to anything Meg or Cheeky says until we flip their respective buddies.

Dunn, who should I vote for in B, red or Queen or could it still be Cheeky?

[Amy Dunne]

Why ignore me?

Both of you are trying to trick me. How can I trust either of you?

[Amy Dunne]

Because you know I'm not scum in A at least, right?

I don’t but your progression on Rat doesn’t make alot of sense if your a buddy, neither does Queen. I mean anything is possible but Taly and Cheeky never voted him, so either makes more sense than you or Queen.

[Amy Dunne]

Queen is hammered in C, let's wait for the flip

Hopefully, we caught scum. *fingers crossed*

[Amy Dunne]

CT isnt alive in C

Yes, I obviously know that.

[Amy Dunne]

Oh yeah, Amy vote Queen

VOTE: Queen

In NM I trust.

[Amy Dunne]

Meg you fooled me. I should have known something was up when red never voted. Well we at least got one anyway.

[Amy Dunne]

Day 707: A RAT! KILL IT!

Vote Count A 1.Final

Radical Rat (5):

MegAzumarill, Queen, Dunstrall, Amy Dunne, Not_Mafia,

Queen (1):

Radical Rat,

MegAzumarill (1):

Cheeky Teeky,

Amy Dunne (0):

CheekyTeeky (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Dunstrall (0):

Taly (0):

No Elim (0):

What, you want to not play the game any more or something? No. Never. We refuse! THERE MUST BE BLOOD!

Not Voting (1):

Taly

With 8 alive, it takes

5

to force someone to abandon between 1 and 3 lovers, cruelly ending all of their hopes and dreams for a lasting relationship. Not doing this isn't an option.

Vote Count B 1.Final

Radical Rat (5):

MegAzumarill, Queen, Dunstrall, Amy Dunne, Not_Mafia,

Queen (1):

Radical Rat,

MegAzumarill (1):

Cheeky Teeky,

Amy Dunne (0):

CheekyTeeky (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Dunstrall (0):

Taly (0):

No Elim (0):

What, you want to not play the game any more or something? No. Never. We refuse! THERE MUST BE BLOOD!

Not Voting (1):

Taly

With 8 alive, it takes

5

to force someone to abandon between 1 and 3 lovers, cruelly ending all of their hopes and dreams for a lasting relationship. Not doing this isn't an option.

Vote Count C 1.Final

Radical Rat (5):

MegAzumarill, Queen, Dunstrall, Amy Dunne, Not_Mafia,

Queen (1):

Radical Rat,

MegAzumarill (1):

Cheeky Teeky,

Amy Dunne (0):

CheekyTeeky (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Dunstrall (0):

Taly (0):

No Elim (0):

What, you want to not play the game any more or something? No. Never. We refuse! THERE MUST BE BLOOD!

Not Voting (1):

Taly

With 8 alive, it takes

5

to force someone to abandon between 1 and 3 lovers, cruelly ending all of their hopes and dreams for a lasting relationship. Not doing this isn't an option.

Well Cheeky is the only player not voting rat.

[Amy Dunne]

Sample Role PM's

[Sample Role PM]Welcome to Elephant Love Song Medley Mafia

You are a Mafia Lover in Game A. You may post here, in the Mafia Thread and here, in your Lover Thread at any time.

You are a Town Lover in Game B. You may post here, in your Lover Thread at any time.

You are a Mafia Lover in Game C. You may post here, in the Mafia Thread and here, in your Lover Thread at any time.

This post seems to indicate at least one tss in the setup and based off of vca I don’t think it’s Meg.

[Amy Dunne]

I honestly don’t see how it’s not Cheeky.

VOTE: Cheeky

If I’m wrong and Jingle deceived us sorry but I really don’t think so.

[Amy Dunne]

How would Jingle be deceiving us?

With the sample role pms but I don’t think so. I don’t think he’d post that if they’re wasn’t at least one tss slot and there obviously can only be one and you were the first vote on rat and stayed there, so it’d weird if it was you.

[Amy Dunne]

That's just a sample pm

True but usually it points to at least one player getting that role pm. In one game I was in, I actually had the OP sample role pm as my role pm.

[Amy Dunne]

Well it's not me and Dunnstral is unlikely paired with the game A mafia. Dunnstral claimed TTT to start. Amy is unlikely TTT.

Why can’t I be? And why can’t you be tss?

[Amy Dunne]

Also Amy has been disingenuous in her relentless push for my elim in every game when I have already flipped mafia in one.

How have I been disengenious and you have been trying to flip me in almost every single game? You even wanted to vote me in game B to flip Taly.

Also, I know it’s not me and VCA ponts strongest to it’s being you, since both Dunn and Meg were pretty eager to kill rat/viper, so this argument makes no sense.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Amy

I still think redtea elim has a good chance of producing scum in at least 1 game.

Well voting Amy will flip readtea in game A

Well you said red not Taly but same difference.

[Amy Dunne]

I’m still kicking myself for not voting red. Taly did a pretty decent job of pocketing me.

[Amy Dunne]

Fine.
VOTE: MegAzumarill

VOTE: Taly
Don't want to kill rat by way of miltank.

I like rat in my pt they're the only one talking to me lol

Lol... OK maybe y'all can vote radrat.

But she never did vote him, similar to how she dragged out voting Queen in game C.

[Amy Dunne]

That's why the push is disingenuous. I obviously didn't want to vote SL because it flipped me in C.

Clearly you two have an agreement to help each other win scum games

.

Like this is not only scummy af, you’re also accusing me and Meg of intentionally game throwing now, which the last time I checked was against site rules and deserving of a temp ban.

[Amy Dunne]

Also, you didn’t vote red either so wtf?

[Amy Dunne]

I really didn’t think we had a shot at winning this but Rat really believed in me, so I thought no harm in trying.

Cheeky fyi, I would never intentionally gamethrow in game b since I was town in that. I’m actually extremely upset about Taly’s pocket on me. Red tried to shade Dunn pretty hard in it but I just ignored that. He was still working me after he’d already won. I have no idea why tho.

Also, I actually forgot the you can’t out scumbuddies rule, so that was not a scum tactic. So that wasn’t a good reason to sr me here.

[Amy Dunne]

Gj Amy, had me fooled.
GGWP to everyone

And ditto, you did some pretty impressive wifomming to make me think it wasn’t red/Taly.

[Amy Dunne]

I had my attention divided too much to commit to the game but it was nice to watch

Imagine if I had the time to follow-up in our PT,

Amy

.

I was so happy that you correctly tr me in our PT. That should have probably made it obvious to me, something was up.

[Amy Dunne]

I was worried you'd figure it out as although I was directly pushing my partner, I was trying to lead the Lin towards the t/t pair anyway.
(I.e when I was talking about one of NM/taly being scum and one of CT/queen, implying the CT queen lim is better)

Yeah but probably wouldn’t have worked had I already not been super pocketed by Taly.

[Amy Dunne]

Yeah, this setup was really fun, it’s not often you get to play both alignments at the same time.

[Amy Dunne]

Well it started out fun. Thanks for modding Jingle <3

Agreed. I think the interplay between the setup (no nk, people already disincentivized from liming lovers) made this kind of drag too much. If I do the whole triplicate thing again it’ll be with a very different setup and the deadlines will matter.

Yeah deadlines are important but I think the main change you should have made and the reason I was confident I was done for once red/Taly flipped was that no one was tss. So I didn’t think I had a chance at winning because of that. I thought I was mech confiscum for that reason.

[Amy Dunne]

Yeah deadlines are important but I think the main change you should have made and the reason I was confident I was done for once red/Taly flipped was that no one was tss. So I didn’t think I had a chance at winning because of that. I thought I was mech confiscum for that reason.

This was entirely random chance. All three setups were randomized entirely independently, for a given value of random. (Random.org uses a timestamp algorithm instead of background radiation sampling for their randomization, so theoretically you could have worked out when I was likely to have randomized the setup, reverse engineered the algorithm, run all of the results in the relevant time frame, and made a distribution of the results to get a slightly better than average chance at eliminating scum. Normal humans would classify this as something only crazy people would do.)

It's actually rather odd how little overlap the three setups had. There was only one repeat lover PT, (Meg and N_M were lovers in two games) and CT/Queen was the only pair that was lovers in one game and scum together in another. Dunn was the only player whose elimination would flip absolutely no scum, which I think makes him the towniest. Amy, OTOH, would have flipped three scum on D1 and thus was objectively the scummiest.

I fully expected at least one player to end up being scum twice. The odds of no repeat scum are 6/8*5/7*4/8*3/7, which ends up being a little more than 11%. Not completely unreasonable, but very unlikely.

I think I like the triplicate design, and I'm probably going to run it again with a different setup and/or setups. I feel like this setup vastly disadvantaged the two games where scum flipped D1 and ended up making a lethargic and uninteresting gamestate for some people. I'm not sure whether I would implement another open (EHABONAR or Exploder, perhaps?) or a single closed setup or a series of similar but distinct closed setups yet, and would appreciate feedback on what would be most fun. I definitely don't think lovers or "everybody has a pt" style setups fit well with the mechanic though.

Well, I definitely found the voting confusing and I did think it was kind’ve unfair to rat to be the only one to be votied out of all three games and yes of course, it also greatly disadvantaged Cheeky as well. It should have occurred in games the whole way. Cheeky obviously wouldn’t have had a problem with voting rat and rat could have had influence in games b and c.

[Amy Dunne]

I'd pre-in for the next triple game.
I prefer closed setups in general, though I think a semi-open might suit this kind of thing quite well. A triple Newbie, complete with actual (un?)fortunate newbies! That'll set MS apart from other, lamer sites

+1

Thanks for being a great buddy. <3

Thanks for modding Jingle and Meg, I thoroughly enjoyed having a PT with you.