Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

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hellooooo

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to be honest I spent at least an hour on MU trying to figure out how the d6 setup is generated and I still don't get it. The wording just doesn't connect the dots for me

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Wait wouldn't the 1 and 2 result in a role cop?

The rest checks out though, I never would've guessed that that's how it worked.

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Ohh I over thought it. Okay now it makes sense
ty Enchant

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VOTE: numberQ

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I've tried in multiple games he's immune

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sheep
VOTE: Roden

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scum probably already willingly bring up self-meta with no provocation, jokingly or defensively, more often than town but has that increased recently or am i just now cottoning onto it

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this guy

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did I say the self-meta needed to be accurate, or proposed as accurate
no

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I'm gonna unvote before this turns into a Thing
UNVOTE:

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did I say the self-meta needed to be accurate, or proposed as accurate
no

It wasn't even an actual self-meta though...

historically people who fail to understand my very clear posts are scum

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I'm gonna unvote before this turns into a Thing
UNVOTE:

Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?

I'm trying to be a

little

more selective in my thinging

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VOTE: gamma

that's me, being selective

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wait what

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is gamma flipped or not
UNVOTE:
at work will be back later

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Then why isn't it LI?

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I am not AI.

I think that's the problem broski you need to step it up

but don't be too quick about it or they'll come after me next

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VOTE: redtea

Do you think their unannounced E-1 was a scum ploy or is there something else here?

An unannounced E-1 is always anti-town, but doing it after everyone was warned of a potential NM quick hammer is even worse. Plus I just don't like how redtea is trying to turn their misunderstanding around onto me.

If you're scum then ok, but I don't see how any townie is supposed to know that without a N0 guilty, nothing has happened yet to reasonably say anyone should get hammered.

Didn't I unvote you?

I totally forgot NM was in this game in between posts, and there were no warnings made between them. But that's on me for not checking.

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You say we're oppotunistic for voting you. By those same standards, do you not consider your own votes and pushes opportunistic?

Well it says "Mafia Scum" under Roden's username so I think you're onto something.

VOTE: Roden

Unironically Roden is scum

Then vote them

VOTE: Gamma

He said there was nothing important to discuss so let's make something to discuss.

This is the worst take s2g

Leaning town on Enchant.
His play was bad for town but...bit wifomy but day one, it seems too ballsy for most scum.
Problem is, he fooled me before so this is a VERY LIGHT town read.

imo scum Enchant would do it

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86 feels like stalling, 94 in hindsight after seeing 118 strikes me as motivated by trying to get a claim out of Gamma for free, and then 118 itself is actually just fishing after he didnt get what he was hoping for.

Strike fast?

weird pivot
idk if this is what numberQ was getting at or what

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uh legit though, I counted and isn't gamma supposed to be dead?

@mod can you recount the votes again? Pretty sure gamma was hammered

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VOTE: Galron
Yeah this gimmick is actively inhibiting to actually getting content out of you. You die now.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Imagine trying to use someones gimmick to push them instead of scumhunting

policy limming unhelpful slots on d1 is pro-town tbh

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So do we treat [E-1 like a hammer] with N_M around? Like if someone has intent to put Enchant at [E-1], he should claim? I'm not saying I have that intent quite yet. Just wondering.

Always. Roden has a good point about the fact it forces claims out early, but NM can and will hammer unless he has stated otherwise on a particular slot.

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I DIDNT MEAB TO OKAY

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OOOoooh you're right, Roden switched off to vote me
talk about clutch

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You do too tbh

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and mozamis

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So what?
You think scum jebaited you into quasi-hammering so that they could dogpile you?

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@Galron
Roden feels a lot like Deimos did in the first game I played with him. He got rushlimmed d1 for his weird (and similar here) tone and flipped town.

That's to say, some leeway should be given. Tone won't be a reliable way to read him imo

And if it's not that you're talking about then uuuuh I have no idea what you're talking about

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VOTE: Enchant

Biggest wagon right now, and he's on the bottom half of my reads list already. If discussion is stagnating I feel like we should at least keep up the vote momentum.

Do you think his town strategizing is something he thought up as scum for townpoints then?

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it's the lamist vibe ig

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I think Enchant's strategy will be chaotic at best, and actively out PRs at worst. The possible town utility seems more difficult to achieve, and has to survive into lategame anyway to actually be useful. Whether or not scum!Enchant was planning on that, it's hard to say, especially if he got the strat from the wiki. So I'm currently not putting any stock in it alignment-wise at all. Might be something to consider if Enchant survives to tomorrow, to sort him out later based on further reads. But for now, with very little else to go on day 1 so far, I'm gonna vote him

Hmmmmm

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Yeah okay actually I don't know why I'm waffling
Considering the voting scandal earlier this is probably just an attempt to distract from that and try to look busy
plus the response to my question sucked
VOTE: Enchant

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same, but specifically I cut-paste names so I don't get repeats

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Jesus Christ y'all spoiler that shit

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I'm trying to see what you're getting at with if scum!enchant, then town!galron
if there's 2 scum then I get it
if there's 3 then I don't
and 3:10 is balanced right?
I usually assume the bigger number

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oh ur right
yeah then idk

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I thought Roden meant question the sr's on enchant

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Are you scumreading Gamma?

Gamma chances being mafia higher than my chances being mafia.

In theory i should have hammered to avoid this situation at first place (even if town i atleast tried, if scum i am not going on chupping block). Considering love of mafia to bus each other on day1 and then changing votes, i think Gamma could be maf distancing, but not sure here, whatever.

Sure but the gamma lim came way too close imo for it to be a bus
it's not like gamma was a lost cause

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it was 5 votes tho

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Spoiler: Roden #304

I'm trying to see what you're getting at with if scum!enchant, then town!galron
if there's 2 scum then I get it
if there's 3 then I don't
and 3:10 is balanced right?
I usually assume the bigger number

Well, we know it's a 3 scum team from the setup. It's just the number of PRs that's up in the air.

And I'm also unsure why scum!Enchant = town!Galron, I figured it was just because Galron is impenetrable to me but if someone else doesn't see it either then maybe it's just a confusing read.

I should've clarified this better but I was in a rush to post.

My thought process behind scum!Enchant = town!Galron is that it doesn't make sense for them to be competing SvS wagons. The third scum buddy wouldn't try to counter wagon scum!Galron with scum!Enchant, especially when nobody's really talking and there's so little content that they could easily just push a townie with little to no consequences. Wouldn't hurt to send an invest PR his way regardless of Enchant's flip though.

gootcha
I have my doubts that one really has much to do with the other in that way, since the Galron wagon hasnt gone beyond even 2 votes. Otherwise there'd definitely be some stuff to dig into there, yeah.

But like statistically speaking it ain't likely SvS anyway.

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Oh well.

MATH.

Math??
In MY mafia game???

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why do you sr gamma again

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like yn it was just supposed to be a pressure wagon

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snatched

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well there's the scum claim

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really though if you're town like
it's worth knowing what's going on in your head

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lmao

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is a pr finding role sucky??

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Was waiting for someone smart to tell us why it's a bad idea ty a50

My thought process behind scum!Enchant = town!Galron is that it doesn't make sense for them to be competing SvS wagons.

Bad assumption. I "vaguely" remember we had a recent game with all 3 leading wagons on D1 being on Scum. It was a Large though, but I'm arguing the principle itself. It's not that uncommon that Scum are giving bad vibes so wagons are formed on all of them, and it's assumptions like this that help them live longer.

That's hilarious

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OK. if we have only 2 TPRs we still have another Scum PR. Of we have 2 TPRs the remaining Scum are goons. Right?

i think you oopsed a number
but 2 tprs = no more spr, 3 tprs = 1 more spr yeah

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new post warning failing me again

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Wish enchant had explained their reads.

dae have experience with kyouko? The one game I played with them they were super engaged and pretty much led the town despite their suspicions, but also it was role madness so that might've been the driving factor.

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Why are you refusing to pursue your scum reads and just settling with getting elim'd?

Because you will forget all what i say anyway. What sense in listening me?
I would't listen to me for example.

well there's the scum claim

How was this a scum claim?

Well the best and common thing for town to do here is drop all their thoughts.
The best and common thing for scum to do here is the say "nah whatever screw it I don't care anymore" so as not to give away any more info.

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*sometimes scum makes a last ditch attempt to save themselves by throwing all their reads out there and saying things like "when I flip go after x tomorrow", but it rarely works

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This new meta of self-meta "I would never" needs to quit tbh

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did I say that already
I'm saying it again

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VOTE: Egix

Let's see how this goes

iirc he voted me without explanation and then peaced out
VOTE: egix

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afaics you're assuming something was implied

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Why am I( not being wagoned in this game?? I haven't done anything remotely beneficial and I have no clue on DAY TWO. Kinda feel intrigued tbh.

tbh I haven't isod anyone yet but off the top of my head you wouldn't be the first person I'd go after of those on the wagon

This new meta of self-meta "I would never" needs to quit tbh

It's not self-meta but I can't really get into why.

I swear
please just understand the intent behind my posts instead of focusing on slightly differing definitions okay

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man idk maybe someone can translate
or not it's not THAT important

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my bad

power is out at my place rn and I don't know when it'll come back up, but ill see how much I can catch up on
thank god for dinosaur forums sparing my phone data

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VOTE: Egix

Let's see how this goes

iirc he voted me without explanation and then peaced out
VOTE: egix

I thought you were trying to set up a quickhammer while making it look like an accident, that's hardly no reason. What I wanna know from the others is why that theory didn't catch on.

More soon, still reading.

It kind of did-ish until it didn't. Looking back, you did say as much, but you didn't push it. The confidence in the post where you voted me feels at odds with your subsequent actions, or lack thereof.

Sigh I feel like I'm getting nowhere. NumberQ has the best posting imo, in a vacuum it would have been Roden instead but I'm too paranoid.
Penguin's ISO is the most underwhelming. He seems more invested in chiming in to say barely-helpful things than actually producing content.

VOTE: PenguinPower

You're not wrong but. Why are you dodging the above?

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VOTE: NumberQ

I should probably reread end of day. I kinda dipped on the site for a minute there by accident

the heck

Scum would've done something if egix was scum so they wouldn't just be the default lim if we get close to DL.

Its clear there's not much interest I. You / Gamma.
Wouldn't help to go on N_M for content sake.

At that point we don't have a lot of options so its fairly random but change is better than the current gamestate

you mean they would've done something like unvoting
like you did
tho tbf the roden v gamma wasn't helpful

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Because that took a few minutes to look into and was a one-and-done
Also: I know how you work and I think the less I substantiate my push on you, the better it’ll work out

Really interested in hearing how this post is town motivated whatsoever.

Gamma did explain

You also pick shit apart as scum

And it's not like Gamma said Roden picks apart arguments with surgical precision or accuracy. I more got the impression that Gamma didn't want to be a chew toy

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Okay hold on, this is kind of where it started right.

I would've expected N_M to have chimed in with a "get Penguin to E-1."

Could be an association there I suppose.

it notably got him mis-elim'd in Scarlet Witch.

Quotes 1+2: insinuate NM's absence could be scummy.
Quote 3: counters quotes 1+3 by saying NM being absent has gotten him mislimmed, to demonstrate it is not AI.

Like it was really simple. All of those quotes were on one page how in the world did that blow up.

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*counters quotes 1+2

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Um. Nice selective edit.

you're welcome i try not to clutter

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try being the operative word

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oh

NM hasn't dipped from the site, just this game.

this part?

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>:(

I accidentally quoted your 471 instead of the original post so I just deleted the surrounding stuff is what happened

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I see what you mean though
So we would need an example where NM dipped out of *one* game and got mislimmed, while being "active" in other games

though I think that's just how he always is

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gotcha

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That's because I phrased it as more confident than I actually was in the hope that it would make something happen. Then afterwards I ended up becoming a bit disengaged due to RL stuff.

so you mean it was more like a reaction test?
kind of weak if so ngl

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VOTE: ssbm_kyouko
pretty sure kyouko is more likely to get into prod range like this as scum and it's happened like thrice

I asked earlier if anyone had exp with scum!kyouko but no one answered- I can assume you do then?

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so you mean it was more like a reaction test?

Yeah kinda. It's a strat I often use in earlygame.

**noting this so I remember to do meta

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I'd also like Egix to flip because I think scum!Egix points towards town!Penguin. Both for Penguin's vote on him at day start, and for Egix's 413.

Scum makes posts like #413 with their partner all the time though

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I also want the deets on Q, you've been sring him for a while now kyouko and I still dont know why

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is there a Reason for giving nonanswers about Q too?

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I'd also like Egix to flip because I think scum!Egix points towards town!Penguin. Both for Penguin's vote on him at day start, and for Egix's 413.

Scum makes posts like #413 with their partner all the time though

Do you think the other scum then goes on to bus their partner back, and argue vehemently for several pages that it's not a real scum read, it's just to have a competing wagon? It's like they're both aiming at each other without having any good reasons for it. You see this same thing with how both their attacks on each other fizzled. Penguin jumped off Egix pretty quickly onto a non-wagon, followed by Egix saying he never had a strong read on Penguin in the first place.

Well shit, I think while writing those sentences I convinced myself it could be SvS actually.

exactly man
full circle

I know you said you thought Penguin v Roden could be SvS but the fact it was so very much about talking past each other detracts from that theory imo.

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Penguin/Egix are both at e-2/not_mafia e-1

UNVOTE: because I still need to meta

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yes I know there's 18 hours left don't @ me

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imagine stealing the kid's pagetop
scum claim

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MOD'S not kid's lmao