Mini Normal 2245: LJITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Dwlee99]

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Fake doctor claim endgamed

[Commander Shepard]

I think there was a game I saw someone reference very recently where scum did a no-kill to set up a doctor claim, lemme find it

I’ll grant you this exists. One game out of thousands. I’ll stick with what’s likely.

So your PoE is Gamma/strange/me.

If I am scum who with?

And I know your answer if I am town so don’t bother with answering that hypothetical.

Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare

[Dwlee99]

You're probably scum with Gamma

[Commander Shepard]

You're probably scum with Gamma

And you say this because?

[Dwlee99]

Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare

okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"

[Dwlee99]

You're probably scum with Gamma

And you say this because?

You're spewing gamma scum with your entrance where you say you think Strange is scum and you're gonna "find the other" while angling to push me

[Commander Shepard]

Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare

okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"

Yes. This is not inconsistent and I do not like what you are misrepresenting.

For the redtea claim there’s no evidence of a gambit. Between that and making imho bad mechanics statements that work against their gambit, redtea likely isn’t gambiting. Whereas you are a proven gambit as either alignment and it’s a matter of why. Since Jolyne was already destined to die in the 800s post I quoted one of you or Gamma bussed. You’re the proven gambiter so odds are it’s you.

[Commander Shepard]

You're probably scum with Gamma

And you say this because?

You're spewing gamma scum with your entrance where you say you think Strange is scum and you're gonna "find the other" while angling to push me

Why are you assuming I am scum? I came in and started reading and what pops out to me I respond to.

[Dwlee99]

But why would I gambit to guilty my buddy instead of just not doing that as scum. There's clear motivation here fmpov to do that because I could have drawn a night kill to get darby to get another result and also just remove someone that people had suspicion of from the game, but I don't see why I'd want to do that as scum

[Dwlee99]

You're probably scum with Gamma

And you say this because?

You're spewing gamma scum with your entrance where you say you think Strange is scum and you're gonna "find the other" while angling to push me

Why are you assuming I am scum? I came in and started reading and what pops out to me I respond to.

Did you forget the premise of your question? Either way, yea I think you're scum here because I think your pushes are bad and scum motivated. Your redtea and strange reads are both lazy in opposite directions

[Commander Shepard]

But why would I gambit to guilty my buddy instead of just not doing that as scum. There's clear motivation here fmpov to do that because I could have drawn a night kill to get darby to get another result and also just remove someone that people had suspicion of from the game, but I don't see why I'd want to do that as scum

As I said earlier you needed Jolyne to go down there. There’s no way you draw a night kill as a one shot checker. It’s a claim designed to not out your buddies and not show up as a Neopolitan. Your fake claim check was flawed and designed to extract information.

[Dwlee99]

Yea I can't convince you you're scum so it's fine

[Commander Shepard]

Yea I can't convince you you're scum so it's fine

I know I can’t convince you to say you’re scum. I am asking these questions to demonstrate your scum mindset to others. And yes I had you assume I am scum, but none of the rest of the post after that follows.

[Dwlee99]

1.) If I'm scum there's zero reason I NEED Koba dead there. I already responded to this point and you're just repeating it without responding to what I said
2.) If I was planning to kill Darby why TF would it matter if I showed up as not VT to him and
3.) If I claim full checker then scum would know I was full of shit, whereas one-shot makes it seem like I'm lying about my number of shots

[Commander Shepard]

You’re very much working from a we need Gamma or me flipped. No one here doing mass claim is suspicious as hell and on top of that you forgot you had to claim one shot checker. Like I think this game is just done.

[Dwlee99]

You barreling through what I'm saying to push your agenda is a scum claim

[Dwlee99]

Forget?? I opened today explaining what I was trying to do

You're full of shit

[Commander Shepard]

1.) If I'm scum there's zero reason I NEED Koba dead there. I already responded to this point and you're just repeating it without responding to what I said
2.) If I was planning to kill Darby why TF would it matter if I showed up as not VT to him and
3.) If I claim full checker then scum would know I was full of shit, whereas one-shot makes it seem like I'm lying about my number of shots

I already responded to what you said. If Jolyne doesn’t die you lose cred. You disagreed without attacking my point.
Because you don’t know what other PRs do and don’t exist at that point.
If you’re full checker then no one would buy it.

[Commander Shepard]

Forget?? I opened today explaining what I was trying to do

You're full of shit

Haven’t read that far but it’s likely just another ploy since at this point it’s unlikely a check can happen.

I am thinking no elim with two conf town and mass claim is in order and redtea protects no one.

Then remaining conf town determines the elim.

[Commander Shepard]

Either that or Alice and redtea just determine the elim today

Actually that’s better then tomorrow if there is a game we have another conf town driven elim

[Dwlee99]

1.) If I'm scum there's zero reason I NEED Koba dead there. I already responded to this point and you're just repeating it without responding to what I said
2.) If I was planning to kill Darby why TF would it matter if I showed up as not VT to him and
3.) If I claim full checker then scum would know I was full of shit, whereas one-shot makes it seem like I'm lying about my number of shots

I already responded to what you said. If Jolyne doesn’t die you lose cred. You disagreed without attacking my point.
Because you don’t know what other PRs do and don’t exist at that point.
If you’re full checker then no one would buy it.

How do I lose cred if Jolyne doesn't die. I've explained how the opposite is the case but you're continuing on pushing this bs

[Dwlee99]

This isn't my experience at all. I've bussed while people counterwagoned elsewhere and then rode the towncred to a win. And it's way better for cred because then other people succeeded in getting someone mislimmed and there's a bunch of people to point fingers at that made that happen instead of a scum wagon

It's like you didn't read this post or are deliberately ignoring it

[Commander Shepard]

1.) If I'm scum there's zero reason I NEED Koba dead there. I already responded to this point and you're just repeating it without responding to what I said
2.) If I was planning to kill Darby why TF would it matter if I showed up as not VT to him and
3.) If I claim full checker then scum would know I was full of shit, whereas one-shot makes it seem like I'm lying about my number of shots

I already responded to what you said. If Jolyne doesn’t die you lose cred. You disagreed without attacking my point.
Because you don’t know what other PRs do and don’t exist at that point.
If you’re full checker then no one would buy it.

How do I lose cred if Jolyne doesn't die. I've explained how the opposite is the case but you're continuing on pushing this bs

That’s just common sense. Push a wagon and it doesn’t go through it’s distancing not a bus. That’s the definition. The only way towncred is granted is on a successful bus with an experienced player.

[Dwlee99]

That's not the definition at all what

[Commander Shepard]

This isn't my experience at all. I've bussed while people counterwagoned elsewhere and then rode the towncred to a win. And it's way better for cred because then other people succeeded in getting someone mislimmed and there's a bunch of people to point fingers at that made that happen instead of a scum wagon

It's like you didn't read this post or are deliberately ignoring it

I did read it. It’s literally just “I have done something impossible”. You can only distance in that case and if anyone gave you credit they’re being bad players.