Newbie 2083: Viae Romanae - End!

[T3]

VOTE: KOBA
IM SORRY
But a VT lim day 1 is always better than no lim

[Looker]

VOTE: kennyk

p-edit: O hello

[Looker]

your town is a lazy bunch of sacks

DkKoba (4): kennyk, yeezys, Val89, T3
kennyk (2): DkKoba, Looker
fixer (1): MBot
MBot (1): Andresvmb

Not Voting (1): fixer
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: KOBA
IM SORRY
But a VT lim day 1 is always better than no lim

I think Koba is Town.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: kennyk

[Andresvmb]

I read their ISO and I don’t just don’t think they’re going to flip Scum here. I’ve been wrong on Koba before at first but I eventually get it right - I want to give Koba some time. There really is no need to execute them this early here and they’re playing like their usual aggressive (but slightly understated as this is a Newbie game) self.

[Andresvmb]

Another thing Koba is wrong about. I'm not a mason. Trying to out masons is complete BS as town and you've tried it a number of times with different people. Why would you be pushing to throw town in front of a bus? I know better than to engage. I really do. But I can't wrap my head around the BS plays. I would actually be ok with voting them at this point even if they flip town.

Val, I'm not feeling the Kenny wagon. I agreed with many of their posts. I may be wrong but their scum hunting has a genuine feel to it. I'd be more willing to put a vote on T3 or Looker ( based on the floating may vibes) than Kenny.

Koba as a player is FAR more valuable than you. So claiming that you would be okay executing them even if they flip Town is arrogance you definitely haven’t earned.

[Andresvmb]

Yes we’ve done this song and dance.

Also, I have officially reached 20 consecutive games as Town (completed). I have flipped in another one but I will not speak to that one just yet.

So is the streak ending in this game? (This is more like a rhethorical question with a little giggle-factor. But if you honestly can answer it with "yes", please do so )

This is a bad post.

[Andresvmb]

Is there any particular reason fixer is withholding their vote here?

[Looker]

You're comfortable with MBot's vote?

[Andresvmb]

Re:Andresvmb

• Lowest poster
• Never voted
• On 2 E-2 wagons

I understand why someone might think these are solid reasons to SR someone. I would ask you if you really think voting wagons that might go through is as Scum indicative as you seem to be implying. Also, there are 6 other Town players in the game - none of them having voted me is probably just an indication that they’re being cautious and/or there’s Scummy play that needs to be punished. You just seem to be railing against a slot (me) that for most people is just Null because you either can’t pinpoint Scum accurately as Town or because you’re Scum. Not sure yet.

Also, Kyouko (who I think is decent Town though we have a bit of a checkered history, though they have now replaced out) initially thought Koba was Town. I do too. Sheeping a strong player with a good history who is active and has a good grasp of the game state is what more of you should learn to do. Some of you are just not accurate. Yet you think your opinion is far more valuable than those with a track record of actual success. I’ve learned the lesson already that if I don’t have any solid reads or ideas (either because I’m not paying enough attention yet or because I’m a bit lost), I try and see what any one strong player is doing and listen to them.

[Andresvmb]

You're comfortable with MBot's vote?

At least they have a vote down. Fixer has probably never actually voted. Which is bizarre.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: KOBA
IM SORRY
But a VT lim day 1 is always better than no lim

Come vote Kenny.

[Andresvmb]

36 hours until the deadline. i am not willing to compromise on to koba.

You would be wise to remember this.

[Andresvmb]

val says 'Andres is lockdown by vibes' reads as completely bullshit considering he's made literally 11 posts, all of which are one-liners which don't even contribute to the discussion

I take offense to this hahaha

[Looker]

If I were scum, why wouldn't I push an easy wagon instead of unvoting? What are the consequences of lurking until deadline?

[Andresvmb]

Is it usual practise to openly discuss who may or may not be a PR on the other sites you have played on, kenny?

I think if a town PR were to counterclaim in response to Kobes 'softclaims', if that's what they were, that would be somewhat of a own-gaol in that Koba would likely just say "haha, I wasn't claiming mason, just messing around", and we have an outted PR on D1 with a target on their back for what? Does Koba get eliminated anyway? Drawing a CC while still maintaining some doubt about whether Koba was trying to do so might well be the motivation for doing that, and you aren't helping.

If that's your only reason for reading Koba town, I would strongly suggest you reconsider.

As I played on greylabyrinth 15 years ago it isn't a good reference on how to play here and now.

If Koba would really react as you say, we would have gained a lot. I would change my vote onto them without further thinking as playing like that would be at least antitown.

And to add things to my believe in Koba being a mason is my general thinking about masons: As I came to this site again after 15 years and seeing the newbie setup as it is now (back then it always was 2 mafia goons, 1 cop, 1 doc and some VTs) I thought that the worst that could happen to me was being a mason. This was because it means there is no protective or investigative role for town. It just gives two players the inside knowledge about who else is town. But as I thought about it for a bit longer I was no longer convinced that it is the worst setup.

The main advantage scum has is that they are informed. With the masons a few townies (two) are informed as well. This reduced the information gap a bit. In my eyes the best strategy to further close it is to share this knowledge. It is true that if two masons are more or less confirmed D1 they are the most likely nightkills N1 and N2, but this gives town some time to get the true villains. It also stops miselimings of those two players.

And compared to the other option it is way better. The worst thing that could hapen in a mason setup is that the masons do nothing to reveal themselves (not even breadcrumbing) and one gets NKed. The other mason is very likely being counterclaimed day 2 if he dares to claim. This could very fast end in a (miselim D1, mason 1 NKed N1, mason 2 miselim D2, VT NKed N2, scum elim D3, V NKed N3) 2 to 1 on day 4.

This btw is hot garbage. Masons shouldn’t claim D1 unless one of them is under duress. And the Mason claiming after their Partner flips isn’t ever being CC’ed - that’s just wrong.

[Andresvmb]

If I were scum, why wouldn't I push an easy wagon instead of unvoting? What are the consequences of lurking until deadline?

Is this a serious question? Have you never seen Scum avoid a Town execution so that they can’t be blamed for the outcome? Voting is the most tangible evidence we have for someone’s intentions. Not voting deprives the Town of valuable history. It’s usually just careless Town that do it. But you are making it sound like Scum will always push through Town executions, which is just straight up surprising.

[kennyk]

Another thing Koba is wrong about. I'm not a mason. Trying to out masons is complete BS as town and you've tried it a number of times with different people. Why would you be pushing to throw town in front of a bus? I know better than to engage. I really do. But I can't wrap my head around the BS plays. I would actually be ok with voting them at this point even if they flip town.

Val, I'm not feeling the Kenny wagon. I agreed with many of their posts. I may be wrong but their scum hunting has a genuine feel to it. I'd be more willing to put a vote on T3 or Looker ( based on the floating may vibes) than Kenny.

Koba as a player is FAR more valuable than you. So claiming that you would be okay executing them even if they flip Town is arrogance you definitely haven’t earned.

If Kobas claim of a VT is true and MBot is VT, too, I would agree with you. If MBot has a power role, I would strongly disagree.

[Andresvmb]

Another thing Koba is wrong about. I'm not a mason. Trying to out masons is complete BS as town and you've tried it a number of times with different people. Why would you be pushing to throw town in front of a bus? I know better than to engage. I really do. But I can't wrap my head around the BS plays. I would actually be ok with voting them at this point even if they flip town.

Val, I'm not feeling the Kenny wagon. I agreed with many of their posts. I may be wrong but their scum hunting has a genuine feel to it. I'd be more willing to put a vote on T3 or Looker ( based on the floating may vibes) than Kenny.

Koba as a player is FAR more valuable than you. So claiming that you would be okay executing them even if they flip Town is arrogance you definitely haven’t earned.

If Kobas claim of a VT is true and MBot is VT, too, I would agree with you. If MBot has a power role, I would strongly disagree.

Nah haha I trust Koba to actually win a game for the Town. PRs screw things up all the time, and it’s rather infrequent that games are won mechanically. I’ve been in a few, but most of the time strong Town are just so much more valuable than a lot of PRs.

[kennyk]

Yes we’ve done this song and dance.

Also, I have officially reached 20 consecutive games as Town (completed). I have flipped in another one but I will not speak to that one just yet.

So is the streak ending in this game? (This is more like a rhethorical question with a little giggle-factor. But if you honestly can answer it with "yes", please do so )

This is a bad post.

What more should I do to clarify, that this wasn't meant to be taken serious?

[Andresvmb]

Yes we’ve done this song and dance.

Also, I have officially reached 20 consecutive games as Town (completed). I have flipped in another one but I will not speak to that one just yet.

So is the streak ending in this game? (This is more like a rhethorical question with a little giggle-factor. But if you honestly can answer it with "yes", please do so )

This is a bad post.

What more should I do to clarify, that this wasn't meant to be taken serious?

I didn’t take it serious. It’s still bad.

[kennyk]

Another thing Koba is wrong about. I'm not a mason. Trying to out masons is complete BS as town and you've tried it a number of times with different people. Why would you be pushing to throw town in front of a bus? I know better than to engage. I really do. But I can't wrap my head around the BS plays. I would actually be ok with voting them at this point even if they flip town.

Val, I'm not feeling the Kenny wagon. I agreed with many of their posts. I may be wrong but their scum hunting has a genuine feel to it. I'd be more willing to put a vote on T3 or Looker ( based on the floating may vibes) than Kenny.

Koba as a player is FAR more valuable than you. So claiming that you would be okay executing them even if they flip Town is arrogance you definitely haven’t earned.

If Kobas claim of a VT is true and MBot is VT, too, I would agree with you. If MBot has a power role, I would strongly disagree.

Nah haha I trust Koba to actually win a game for the Town. PRs screw things up all the time, and it’s rather infrequent that games are won mechanically. I’ve been in a few, but most of the time strong Town are just so much more valuable than a lot of PRs.

So you would rather sacrifice a town PR than elimming Koba? Even if that meant having Koba as a scum opponent? Interesting.

[kennyk]

Yes we’ve done this song and dance.

Also, I have officially reached 20 consecutive games as Town (completed). I have flipped in another one but I will not speak to that one just yet.

So is the streak ending in this game? (This is more like a rhethorical question with a little giggle-factor. But if you honestly can answer it with "yes", please do so )

This is a bad post.

What more should I do to clarify, that this wasn't meant to be taken serious?

I didn’t take it serious. It’s still bad.

Why?

[Andresvmb]

Another thing Koba is wrong about. I'm not a mason. Trying to out masons is complete BS as town and you've tried it a number of times with different people. Why would you be pushing to throw town in front of a bus? I know better than to engage. I really do. But I can't wrap my head around the BS plays. I would actually be ok with voting them at this point even if they flip town.

Val, I'm not feeling the Kenny wagon. I agreed with many of their posts. I may be wrong but their scum hunting has a genuine feel to it. I'd be more willing to put a vote on T3 or Looker ( based on the floating may vibes) than Kenny.

Koba as a player is FAR more valuable than you. So claiming that you would be okay executing them even if they flip Town is arrogance you definitely haven’t earned.

If Kobas claim of a VT is true and MBot is VT, too, I would agree with you. If MBot has a power role, I would strongly disagree.

Nah haha I trust Koba to actually win a game for the Town. PRs screw things up all the time, and it’s rather infrequent that games are won mechanically. I’ve been in a few, but most of the time strong Town are just so much more valuable than a lot of PRs.

So you would rather sacrifice a town PR than elimming Koba? Even if that meant having Koba as a scum opponent? Interesting.

Is that what I said? I didn’t say I would rather sacrifice a Town PR in a vacuum. How about perhaps I would rather try and aim at Scum? What I did say was that Koba seems like Town to me, and since I know they’re a strong player, I don’t want them executed D1.