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I’m writing this currently on a google doc the midnight before d3, and I will be so mad if I somehow end up nk’ed. The second half of d1 took me by complete surprise in pace and intensity so I wasn’t able to properly catch up as I’d like to until now. This hit me while I was about to go to sleep so here we are.
The big question that was ignored, and I feel was done intentionally, was why was Ben specifically killed n1? That’s a really huge question. N1 kills should be reserved for the slot that is the biggest danger to scum OR gives scum the biggest long game advantage. So why Ben? What does scum get out of killing a slot with literally one scum read and a final vote on a vt?
I firmly believe it’s the latter. Specifically I am of the opinion that the nk was done to give an opportunity for scum.
Now as I’m writing this before the n2 kill happens I have no idea if this hypothesis will hold. I will be at work during the time d3 starts. I will add an addendum if necessary, however I cannot make a post in time to do this thought justice, as I truly believe time is of the essence.
Here is what I mean: I believe the Ben nk and the Gamma wagon were coordinated efforts by Pan aka Koba to control the narrative and play a long con game to secure a scum victory.
As I don’t feel like running this in a text editor, all posts referenced will not be hyperlinked.
First, the obvious, what were Ben’s stances while he was still alive d1.
Ben played by mostly producing town reads, which he reiterated multiple times. 511 where he produced the “only ones” he could form reads on and 790 where most of his reads were town or null except the d1 mislim and Gamma, who was scum. Sure, you could make the argument that since Gamma was the only other scum read he had that scum was scared he was close. Me being able to post this in d3 is proof against that theory as according to 799 I was the only person to hold a vote on Gamma until the end. Granted, my push wasn’t amazingly strong, but it was stronger than Ben’s.
So then, why Ben? What was the point of taking him out. With as how many lines were drawn during the end, surely there was a better threat to take out.
And I think that was the point. I don’t think scum could have known his role somehow during n1 before he was killed. However he was one of the most divorced players from the game (ie, being in the least amount of confrontations) while also being a player that could be taken seriously. He was projectable, and that’s how his nk was treated by Pan.
Look at 813. We cannot prove if Pan is or is not part of the neighborhood. There is no way that they can be cc’d. I believe that was quick thinking on their part. Pan has been trying to make themselves be seen an conf town since early d1 (262, 327, and 430 (which I also skimmed thru at first, thank you for your value in me, sorry my input is leading to this)). If I were scum, and a competent and trusted townie that can be projected on post mortem that also tr’s me dies, I’d milk that dry. Not to mention Ben’s only other spoken scum read, although weak, is scum (which I’d know as I am hypothetically scum). This is the perfect target.
Of course, Gamma was an informed mafia. Does that mean that scum knew directly that Gamma was scum? No. However, I still believe Pan would still want to hunt down the informed at least for the same reason as above: towncred. Assuming scum didn’t know who the informed was, they’d either know there was one or could guess. It was mentioned before (by T3 I think).
Gamma was a replacement for Cookie who was on the block mid d1, but they were on the block because of Pan. Again, if we follow this line of logic, from the start Pan is actively trying to look as town as possible and is using aggressive argument styles which would push away anything but a strong and confident read against them. If they catch scum d1, that would put their towncred through the roof. To my knowledge the only thing that stopped Pan from getting what they wanted originally was cookie repping out, StD repping in and eventually Meg being the only logical conclusion for a d1 lem.
I think I’ve made my d1 point.
D2 is where things get more interesting. Now we know Ben’s role and Pan ran with this. It’s the best possible outcome for someone who understands how roles works. They know what they’re saying doesn’t make sense for the intensity of what they’re saying. Why would Ben have a stronger read against Gamma in a PT (815) when Pan literally townread Ben for “talking to open air” in 379? That just does not make sense for someone to be open with their play style to push harder someone in private. I also don’t buy 961. It’s very, very possible for scum 1 to say kill this bitch and scum 2 say lemme roleblock them first. As long as the person killing is not also doing the roleblock, it’s not only possible but very likely to happen. But, that’s beside my point.
The point is I don’t care if Ben was or was not role blocked, I care why he was killed and how his death was used going into d2. Pan was the only one who used his death in any meaningful way to instantly control the narrative to stand next to an actual comf town. Pan wants us to believe they are a conf town in 904 because there’s no counter claim but I honestly believe they got lucky and either knew or took an educated guess that no one else could possibly cc them.
And as much as I bitch about meta, this is the same slot that had a spat with Norwee in Squid Game about needing to take time to properly find scum and yet that is a stark difference to what happened in d2 and a less than 5 page game.
I’m willing to expand on what I’m saying as I’ve made a few rough edits, but I’ll be at work during this time so please bare with me.
TL;DR Pan is scum.- Save The Dragons
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Spoiler: Nobody: Quick:
Spoiler: I’m just a poor boy from a poor family
VOTE: Pan AKA Koba
Spoiler: In Case I Am Wrong About Pan And It’s Just StD
And that about wraps up the TvS read I had between Pan v StD.
Spoiler: Gamma SpewI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I deliver a scum and yall still think im scu
im in the circus
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Gamma was literally egging on the shitcase againt me on the basis of the hood-
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You should probably try and find Scum at this point because you're dead today. Leave a legacy if you're Town.In post 986, Pan Smierc wrote:Gamma was literally egging on the shitcase againt me on the basis of the hoodI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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this deserves an antiscummyIn post 988, LicketyQuickety wrote:
You should probably try and find Scum at this point because you're dead today. Leave a legacy if you're Town.In post 986, Pan Smierc wrote:Gamma was literally egging on the shitcase againt me on the basis of the hood- LicketyQuickety
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Clearly, StD has the best case of the three of us.
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I left my legacy
anyone who still thinks im scum needs to just get better at the game- LicketyQuickety
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You want to rag on my play but you're the one who is going to be eating dirt.In post 989, Pan Smierc wrote:
this deserves an antiscummyIn post 988, LicketyQuickety wrote:
You should probably try and find Scum at this point because you're dead today. Leave a legacy if you're Town.In post 986, Pan Smierc wrote:Gamma was literally egging on the shitcase againt me on the basis of the hoodI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.-
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this town is desperate to speedrun a loss and got upset i got scum limmed-
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Oh, go after the LHF, very good.
Well, I gues there is another Scum in the game. Pretty sure it's Egix.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Okay, well, if you are Town maybe you want to play like it.In post 994, Pan Smierc wrote:bro u have 0 self awareness stopI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Im fucking pissed i open this thread after being excited i nailed a scum and people want to start speedrunning the game-
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I FUCKING GOT SCUM LIMMED D2 WHAT THE FUCK DUDE-
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WHAT TH3 FUCK DOES SOMEONE "PLAYING TOWN" LOOK LIKE
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