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[mastina]

now i fully understand why chow self voted tbh

Phoneposting at work, only have 15 mins here, so I won't be able to say everything that I want to (I have about six to eight things to get through although at least one will require me being home), but I'll start here.

DK, I voted you and didn't ask questions before doing so for three basic reasons.
1: My vote was safe. Pooky and SirCakez were already voting you, MB wasn't going to before Sunday at the EARLIEST, and a town Milobird, knowing that Titus and MB wanted to solve wouldn't have hammered, meaning that the only way you were in danger is if Milo literally scumclaimed with a hammer.
2: I knew that the vote post would act just as well if not better

[mastina]

*ahem*
Phone is being an absolute ass and misfiring, as I think that it's obvious that I didn't hit submit there.

AS I WAS SAYING:
I knew that a vote post would work just as well if not better than a question post.
3: I knew that placing you at L-1 would generate a strong reaction from you, and maybe others. It'd serve as a way to kick the day into an even higher gear. (Obviously, I miscalculated in not realizing that you'd selfvote, but I never expect town to selfvote outside of the Mastina Gambit. )

My vote wasn't intended to be final. Quite the opposite, in fact. I voted you to get my vote off of Milobird (which is, while you were alive, explicitly something that you wanted me to do? To get off of voting Milo. So I did...)

If I had thought that MB would hammer you after talking to Titus, I'd explicitly have unvoted in fact, because I was NOT ready for the day to have ended.

I realize that this means little to you now, but I wanted it on the record to explain my mindset.

[mastina]

Point 2 is that I actually had a lucid dream within a lucid dream, both about this game.

In it, I got a dream about the scum being Pokemon Go Team Rocket Pokemon, and was asking for flavor experts to verify that the scums Pokemon would be from Pokemon Go's Team Rocket Pokemon.

I kinda sorta wanna trust that the dream me was onto something, but it'll require time/research on my part.

Out of time, but next on my list is addressing things today; I've got a 3+1 point to make, a defense to write, and more.

[mastina]

Yes it would but it eliminates the rare cakez scum scenario. I would like to review the game entirely and this stalls that a bit.

Also, I have a large theme in signups if you want to join.

I do admit, I did have SirCakez paranoia even after Pookys clarification …
…But it required that instead of one scum alive, we had two, Pooky + SirCakez.

With the game not ended, said scenario is thus impossible, so SirCakez is just town.

[mastina]

Pooky and Mastina need to cross vote.

-Bell

(BTW this and 5961 I need to be at home to reply to, but I will in fact be doing so; I'll be back to these when able to, but momentarily must skip them)

[mastina]

Notty tells me that Mastina always claims their role day 1.
Or something, or has done it as scum in the past.
Mastina, as a categorical self-examiner, what say you to this maybe half-remembered charge?

-Bell

I claim my role at the time that I see it most appropriate to do so.
I can softclaim at the time I see fit to.
I can exaggerate, obfuscate, lie by omission, or even tell a self explanatory lie (e.g. maco <-> BP), and I get roles I do that on D1 quite often.

I WILL say tho that I never* fakeclaim as scum tho.

*can go into this, but really outta time

[mastina]

Notty tells me that Mastina always claims their role day 1.
Or something, or has done it as scum in the past.
Mastina, as a categorical self-examiner, what say you to this maybe half-remembered charge?

-Bell

I claim my role at the time that I see it most appropriate to do so.
I can softclaim at the time I see fit to.
I can exaggerate, obfuscate, lie by omission, or even tell a self explanatory lie (e.g. maco <-> BP), and I get roles I do that on D1 quite often.

I WILL say tho that I never* fakeclaim as scum tho.

*can go into this, but really outta time

Am going up second, so got an extra half hour.

The asterisk is because technically, I HAVE, it's just that one game taught me to never again do it, and the one and only other time I did, it was my only option to win, and was done in lylo after I had the entire towns info to craft my own.

Generally speaking, it's not that I refuse to fakeclaim. I just genuinely think that my best chance at winning is honesty, so I never fakeclaim as scum, because I can't back up a fakeclaim convincingly.

If I claim something, it needs to be obvious to others that it's true.

Now, this policy doesn't hold for town me, since I can and do gambit. The Mason Gambit is the OTHER Mastina Gambit. (Self-voting to either take out a scum or protect a town being the og mastina gambit.)

But obviously, that's of little relevance.

I'll be returning to my claim when I get back home to address 5960/5961, but at work, this is as much as I can go into it.

[mastina]

I am going to spam. Until the game solves itself.

Pooky, Titus, Mastina, what do you think of Mastina using self-meta, I.e., they aren't very blame gamey as scum compared to as town mid game. Because they don't want to offend town and get exasperation voted?
Like, how likely is it that scum them makes that argument? It really doesn't feel very implausible to me. I would make similar arguments if I were pushed as scum.

Or at least I think I would. If my scum game didn't suck.

-Bell

To reiterate, a lot of what you are saying, I need to be home to properly address, this post included. I'll be including a much more in-depth response to you then, better than this, but basically:
I am not you.
I am mastina.
I operate by my own principles, rules, standards, thought processes, etc.
The way I think, though not standard, is very well documented, and frankly?

North should remember the LAST time that I was accused of faking rage.
(Hint: I wasn't.
Double hint: I was town.
Triple hint, it technically wasn't the latest time I've raged as town, but it IS among the most infamous times I've raged as town. There's damn good reason that I am saying notty can fuck off, because notty SHOULD know fucking better.)

[mastina]

Sorry for Ego purposes upon which I must protect.

I will point out that Mastina has been right on (2 or 3 eliminations this game?)

and wrong on STD and I forgot who else.

Chowchow?

I really should have read this game more.

At the very least Mastina had more skin in the game.

-Bell

I've had basically every slot as town/scum at some point, so you could say that I've had perfect reads, shit reads, or anywhere in-between the extremes, and you'd be right.

I'll say that I had Woolax, Gypyx, and imaginality as voteworthy the entire game tho, and that Dwlee was null before I deduced their role and thought it town.

This said, I've more to say on Pooky, actually somewhat related to my gamelong reads, but again, I need to be home for it.
(3 home things: defense, research, and the 3+1 point thingy. Mental note, is 'mirror'+'arrow'+'project' +1.)

[mastina]

You're demanding I make a Mastina case right this second I assume separate from the last one Notty made and I half-assedly made in a show of reluctant support.

But you know that I'm a slow burner.

no just give me one reason

you can't even say a thing

They voted us. They haven't been super interactive. They haven't fallen apart which points against it, but I've seen them do better as town so maybe.
If you want me to actually drown you in analysis I have to reread the game though. Something you're trying to distract me from doing. There's no rush.
We have this day phase and the next apparently, since Titus wants to watch Sircakez die just in case a player played against win con.

-Bell

"haven't been super interactive", my ASS..
I've done a FEW non interactive things.
Making the claims/actions list (although both before AND after making it, I was interacting, before saying 'I need to make this', and after, saying "dude I literally made this, why are you still making the stupid mistakes?") And speculating about flavor and such and compiling VCs and reading isos.

But 90% of what I have done is nothing BUT interacting with others.

I'm literally phoneposting at fuc king WORK.
ON 1% BATTERY.
MULTIPLE TIMES.
It doesn't GET more interactive than that.

O literally never do more
Than what I am now.

I've, what? Nearly 200 posts in the game?

I'd be at half that AT MOST if scum.

Sure, I don't have 400+ posts, but I am doing the most I can given the circumstances.

As for voting you?

Half because BOTH heads should fucking know that I am town here. This isn't your first game with me; you've literally both had dozens.

(Pfhone seriously misbehaving and says at 1% in spite of literally being full chArge 1 hour ago, so gotta stop.)

[Milobird]

I'm very happy with my assigned Pokemon.

wow im not

Same, I did not get Ralts : (

Pokemon! Gotta catch em all!

Interpretation 1: Trying to fit in, scum. +

Interpretation 2: Relaxed town. ~

I have a dnd sesh, but we have days for me to spam solve so just leave it be and I'll be obvious town in very short order.

As for the 100 versus 200 posts thing.
I'm not entirely sure what you'd like for me to say to that. That's a narrow distinction. I don't really know how long your slump is going to last anyway. Nobody but you does. I'll be making a better case for town/scum you anyway and you're going to have to deal more with that then what I'm saying now anyway.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Please don't post at work.

-Bell

[Milobird]

I for one am shocked back to back killing my strong townreads didnt end the game

[Milobird]

if you're town you're really doing a p shit job of showing it ngl

You've literally been REPEATEDLY saying as has mastina how town bell is lmao

Whichever two of you three are town are outright trolling

[Milobird]

Like yeah I'm in this same boat but at least I have the whole "no time for mafia" excuse

Yall killed two people who were stupidly town because you couldnt pull your heads out of your ass and have decided that instead of thinking who actually has a chance to be scum???

[Milobird]

Also Koba don't think you're off the hook that selfhammer was fucking ass.

[mastina]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=13138167#p13138167]post 6059[/url], mastina"][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=13137893#p13137893]post 6043[/url], Milobird"][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=13137884#p13137884]post 6041[/url], PookyTheMagicalBear"][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=13137877#p13137877]post 6039[/url], Milobird"]You're demanding I make a Mastina case right this second I assume separate from the last one Notty made and I half-assedly made in a show of reluctant support.

But you know that I'm a slow burner.[/quote]

no just give me one reason

you can't even say a thing[/quote]

They voted us. They haven't been super interactive. They haven't fallen apart which points against it, but I've seen them do better as town so maybe.
If you want me to actually drown you in analysis I have to reread the game though. Something you'rec trying to distract me from doing. There's no rush.
We have this day phase and the next apparently, since Titus wants to watch Sircakez die just in case a player played against win con.

-Bell[/quote] "haven't been super interactive", my ASS..
I've done a FEW non interactive things.
Making the claims/actions list (although both before AND after making it, I was interacting, before saying 'I need to make this', and after, saying "dude I literally made this, why are you still making the stupid mistakes?") And speculating about flavor and such and compiling VCs and reading isos.

But 90% of what I have done is nothing BUT interacting with others.

I'm literally phoneposting at fuc king WORK.
ON 1% BATTERY.
MULTIPLE TIMES.
It doesn't GET more interactive than that.

O literally never do more
Than what I am now.

I've, what? Nearly 200 posts in the game?

I'd be at half that AT MOST if scum.

Sure, I don't have 400+ posts, but I am doing the most I can given the circumstances.

As for voting you?

Half because BOTH heads should fucking know that I am town here. This isn't your first game with me; you've literally both had dozens.

(Pfhone seriously misbehaving and says at 1% in spite of literally being full chArge 1 hour ago, so gotta stop.)[/quote]For the phone BTW it Went from giving me the fully charged ping, complete with green light, to the @1%.
It once again says fully charged.
However, it continues to badly misbehave . it's literally spazzing out, randomly clicking random spots, letters, etc.

I wanted to add tho:

Scumastina has ~20-50 posts per game. Stretch amount, MAYBE 75.

Town me averages ~100-300, with the lowest being 75.

[Milobird]

I'm not going to lie I'm going to spend most of the day bitching about the past two tbh.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm going to post images of a submarine and pretend I'm submerged and you can't see me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

look at this heroic pose

[mastina]

Did a phone restart, hopefully that helps fix the issue.

I (nope, still broke) forgot to also add:

I've never phoneposted from work as scum.
In fact, I've phoneposted as scum a grand total of once:
During a 3 day power outage, where the alternative was being replaced.

Literally every other time, I was town.

I don't phonepost as scum for multiple reasons, which I can explain when home from work.

I'll add tho, that I always am at this level of activity and engagement as town, and NEVER this high activity/engagement as scum. Again, for multiple reasons that I can get in to once home.

Suffice to say tho: the accusation that I am low engagement is utter bullshit.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mastina

it is a pain in the ass

to do meta research for you

because you have so many games

where you pop in to just talk about how you designed the setup

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also thanks for designing/reviewing so many setups :3

[Milobird]

I personally think what Mastina is doing is helpful. Even though I have very low expectations.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Why would anyone ever Meta Mastina when Mastina is so familiar with their own meta. It's much faster just to ask them, especially because they don't really lie about the obvious stuff. They'll give you the data.
They might spin it or exaggerate. But they keep most of it honest.

I don't have much issue with them repeatedly trying to win me over with trust tells. It's novel if coming from scum and pretty much fair game as town.

-Bell