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[imaginality]

@Clemency any reads so far?
Which player(s) do you think seem scummiest so far (don't worry about whether they're scum or jester, just who seems scummiest on the face of it?

[Mystik Spiral]

casing lq, i’m currently leaning town on him and i disagree with Bingle that jester hunting is necessarily scum indicative because town also loses if they mistakenly lim jester. It’s only scummy if they are not also looking for scum and since i do think it’s very possible that imaginality could be jester here, i question the confidence in the votes there.

before gamma replaced out, my read on them was town or jester. i really didn’t see much in his ISO that was agenday and i don’t really get scum vibes from lq, so idk if the rationale behind votes on him. are based off of Gamma unlikely replacing out as jester and it’s just a safe vote?

[Mystik Spiral]

Mystik

you asked me

what I thought was disingenuous. I answered. That is not 'pushing'. I was the one who said it was a dumb disagreement we should move on from!

town!imaginality would take into account that i unvoted him but he ignores it.

How should my answer to your question have been different because you unvoted me versus if you still had your vote on me?

To my mind it's either:
"I think you're being disingenuous because XYZ. I see you've unvoted me but that was because you were thinking of voting Bingle and you later still said I'm not town so it seems like your views on me haven't changed."

Or if you hadn't unvoted:
"I think you're being disingenuous because XYZ."

Same answer to your question in either case.

You keep confusing me with these posts. Why?

i don’t townread you because i don’t believe you’re seriously this dense. beyond that i honestly can’t tell what you’re doing here? it looks like you both want to provoke mebut then trying to make it seem less obvious. first you say our argument is dumb and we should move on, which i like but then in the very next post you double down on my allegedly being “dusengious” which makes me want you dead but then i think that’s really stupid play if you’re actually scum here, so i currently lean jester.

[imaginality]

I agree with you on Gamma/LQ's slot being town btw

[Mystik Spiral]

I agree with you on Gamma/LQ's slot being town btw

could we actually be getting somewhere then? Am I wrong about you? you posts confuse me so much. okay, what makes you think Meg is scum here as opposed to town or jester?

[Kerset]

Vote Count 1.03

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate.

imaginality (2):Wisdom, MegAzumarill,
MegAzumarill (1): imaginality
SirCakez (1): Clemency,
LicketyQuickety (1): Bingle,
Clemency (1): LicketyQuickety
Bingle (1): SirCakez,
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(1): Mystik Spiral,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-26 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

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[imaginality]

I agree with you on Gamma/LQ's slot being town btw

could we actually be getting somewhere then? Am I wrong about you? you posts confuse me so much. okay, what makes you think Meg is scum here as opposed to town or jester?

#111 "weird TR but I'll take it" doesn't sound jestery.
I feel like Meg is scum happy to be read as either jester or town.

I'm wondering if Clemency saying he is going to try to play less survivory than usual points to Clem jester. I don't think so though because that only came up in response to me asking what's not protown about his usual playstyle. Also dropping off the radar since a bout of early posting doesn't seem too jestery but does fit with scum.

I think Meg is at least offering a modicum of content to help me firm up my read of them over time.

VOTE: Clemency funny posts but low value, could be scum, I don't get a sense keeping you around another day will help much.

[MegAzumarill]

I think Meg is at least offering a modicum of content to help me firm up my read of them over time.

Oh no

[MegAzumarill]

Ok but actually clemency hasn't done anything all game and claimed jester.

Looks like scum pretending to be jester.
It may just be jester but it's not town
VOTE: Clemency

[Wisdom]

Scum Clem in this game was really really absent, much like here

First instinct is he's scum again but I'm kind of worrying he does this as jester knowing he gets lim'd

[Mystik Spiral]

Spoiler:

hello im jester
VOTE: sircakez

i promise i'll play slightly more townie than usual
probably

i tend to play more survivory than town because i'm unconfident in my abilities

yep clem is most likely not jester here
Id expect him to be having fun instead of being absent

or maybe that's what i want you to think
~(v-v)~

[Mystik Spiral]

Scum Clem in this game was really really absent, much like here

First instinct is he's scum again but I'm kind of worrying he does this as jester knowing he gets lim'd

well looking at his iso, he seems to really want you to think he’s jester and i think jester would do more? idk how useful that other game is as a comparison because a jester mechanic affects the way people play. also possible he could also be town? what strikes me is him saying he will play more townie and less survivalistic but he hasn’t done anything townie yet, so there’s an odd kind of self-consciousness to his play here.

[Wisdom]

198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

[Mystik Spiral]

198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

could be

[Mystik Spiral]

198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

i’m really not sure what to do but this back and forth on Clemency makes me feel really good about wisdom being likely town, so i think i should just probably sheep your vote.

[Bingle]

I feel like Bingle isn't looking at my thought process and isn't fact-checking me to see if I use weird reasoning for my reads. Of course, you are free to prove me wrong.

I am doing the former, but no, I have not done any meta wrt this game.

[Bingle]

I hear it's drawback-free in 8-ball too

I mean... despite the satisfaction of being called town for qh-ing wisdom we did end up losing. Still. Definitely worth it.

[Clemency]

@Clemency any reads so far?
Which player(s) do you think seem scummiest so far (don't worry about whether they're scum or jester, just who seems scummiest on the face of it?

hey sorry ive been busy and exhausted and stuff
wisdom is town

i like you

mystik is cool too

lq slot is weird

bingle

i guess i dont like meg either

[Bingle]

Wisdom feels slightly town, that’s my first read

His positions feel pretty nuanced rn

What does it tell you if it’s real?

the entire ISO doesn’t feel scummy to me.

Really? I think it comes across as being very meh. The wisdom read came when people were starting to share reads and was pretty fencesitty. Thinking the reads were nuanced but not commenting on them or looking into if they were real (it took literally two clicks for me to see that imaginality wasn't posting in public areas of the site) does not fill me with a wholesome town impression. Asking about what I want to know about his own potential slip also doesn't seem town at any level and is very surface level posting from any alignment. Note: none of this is a reason to scumread Gamma, but I wouldn't townread it at all.

casing lq, i’m currently leaning town on him and i disagree with Bingle that jester hunting is necessarily scum indicative because town also loses if they mistakenly lim jester.

It’s only scummy if they are not also looking for scum

and since i do think it’s very possible that imaginality could be jester here, i question the confidence in the votes there.

before gamma replaced out, my read on them was town or jester. i really didn’t see much in his ISO that was agenday and i don’t really get scum vibes from lq, so idk if the rationale behind votes on him. are based off of Gamma unlikely replacing out as jester and it’s just a safe vote?

Exactly my point: Look at 107.

The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

Based on how the game is going so far, I think

we just Lim Scummy people. I have like 3 jester reads

at this point: Cakes, Image, Mystik.

I had Mystic and Wisdom as Jester reads but then ISO'd to make sure and I reevaluated.

We should lim scum. Also, let me tell you about all of my Jester reads.

TRs on Wisdom, Meg, and Bingle, but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around. This could just be a bad take though, IDK.

Wisdom's 27 is not really fakable, so I'm willing to call this lack of TMI. I don't think this is the sort of thing Scum will fake. Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game.

I like 68 from Meg. Blatantly saying they think their post is Townie seems cocky. IDK if Meg has the stones for that sort of thing as Mafia.

Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might just

actually

be LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.

These are my townreads, but also let me cast doubt on all of them so that it'll be easy to backtrack. Also, (and this came from the beginning of the post but fits better here):

The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

TOWNREADS AREN'T WORTH MUCH. HERE ARE MY TOWNREADS.

On the second ISO of Mystik, I can see them as Jester. They seem to have some takes just off-center enough to make it look like they are bad Town - enough that it looks like they are Scum. If you're Town, then just take it as me not wanting to Lim you.

That just leaves Clemency. So I guess I will go there since they have no content yet.

VOTE: Clemency

Oh, look. More Jester reads.

And, at the end of this, what does he do? Votes LHF. Not because Clemency is scum, but because he's not one of the townreads LQ is actively shading and thinks can't be trusted but because LQ has decided everyone else is either town or Jester. He's not scumhunting at all.

[Clemency]

Scum Clem in this game was really really absent, much like here

First instinct is he's scum again but I'm kind of worrying he does this as jester knowing he gets lim'd

i had median activity in that game

[Bingle]

I agree that LQ isn't likely Jester, not because of the GE replace, (although if I squint I can see the argument he'd be more excited to play if he'd rolled the namesake role I think GE wouldn't let something like that effect her and this is probably just a regular NAI replace) but because he comes across as trying to convince me not to scumread him genuinely.

I also think that imagine is not Jester, given that I'm getting buddying feels there. I'd probably be willing to vote him if LQ wasn't obvscumming so hard.

[imaginality]

198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

could be

I see some scum players might do that to try to keep some jester wifom alive.

[Bingle]

I'll be gone the rest of the day, btw. I'm doing TGiving a day early with the family and I need to start cooking. Have fun and don't start any fires without me.

[LicketyQuickety]

The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

Based on how the game is going so far, I think

we just Lim Scummy people. I have like 3 jester reads

at this point: Cakes, Image, Mystik.

I had Mystic and Wisdom as Jester reads but then ISO'd to make sure and I reevaluated.

We should lim scum. Also, let me tell you about all of my Jester reads.

Thanks for asking why I was Jester reads these players. Excellent Scum hunting.

TRs on Wisdom, Meg, and Bingle, but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around. This could just be a bad take though, IDK.

Wisdom's 27 is not really fakable, so I'm willing to call this lack of TMI. I don't think this is the sort of thing Scum will fake. Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game.

I like 68 from Meg. Blatantly saying they think their post is Townie seems cocky. IDK if Meg has the stones for that sort of thing as Mafia.

Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might just

actually

be LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.

These are my townreads, but also let me cast doubt on all of them so that it'll be easy to backtrack. Also, (and this came from the beginning of the post but fits better here):

Let me know when it occurs to you I haven't actually backed out of any of my TRs yet.

The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

TOWNREADS AREN'T WORTH MUCH. HERE ARE MY TOWNREADS.

Literally, no. You aren't reading my posts to understand. You're reading to criticize.

On the second ISO of Mystik, I can see them as Jester. They seem to have some takes just off-center enough to make it look like they are bad Town - enough that it looks like they are Scum. If you're Town, then just take it as me not wanting to Lim you.

That just leaves Clemency. So I guess I will go there since they have no content yet.

VOTE: Clemency

Oh, look.

More Jester reads.

And, at the end of this, what does he do? Votes LHF. Not because Clemency is scum, but because he's not one of the townreads LQ is actively shading and thinks can't be trusted but because LQ has decided everyone else is either town or Jester. He's not scumhunting at all.

Explain the bold please.

[LicketyQuickety]

lq slot is weird

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