2021 Fantasy Football

[D3f3nd3r]

/in to hopefully defend my title but more realistically to have my entire team die by Week 5

[D3f3nd3r]

Another couple options for a 10-team league that probably seem weird (but I’ve seen them happen before!) would be:
1) Normal divisional schedule for 13 weeks, then four make the playoffs and two rounds of two-week playoff matchups (I know ESPN has this capability but not sure on Yahoo).
2) Same system as usual (6 making the playoffs) but extend the regular season by a week by having teams play the opposite division twice each instead of their own twice each.
Both of these skip Week 18 only.

For a 12-teamer I’m indifferent to the first two options you thought up. We’re so close to being able to say two divisions of six into a two-round playoff, but that’d force us to play Week 18 which is a hard pass.

EDIT: grammar

[D3f3nd3r]

I'd prefer adding a bye week over not playing week 17 or 18, but I like the 2-week playoff option for a 10-team league

Could also do it for just the final in the 12-teamer, potentially (though it’s probably less likely that this is doable than doing it for the full playoffs)

[D3f3nd3r]

Could just do three against a “rival” from the opposite division as well.

[D3f3nd3r]

I think we’ve always been doing that in 10-team leagues though.

[D3f3nd3r]

I’m pretty sure it was six at least once when I was still in L2...

[D3f3nd3r]

Something else we could add to the ballot is having waiver priority based on standings. I do not personally want it, but there are team owners that have voiced a desire for it in years past so having a vote on that to gauge the true interest level the league has in it could be good.

I would /out if this was enacted

[D3f3nd3r]

How are things looking on the survey, by the way?

[D3f3nd3r]

Fine? Last time I checked we had 14

I meant in terms of answers

I don’t think that’s too bad since I’d imagine that enough people don’t really care what we do.

[D3f3nd3r]

Not particularly interested in auction this year, sorry

[D3f3nd3r]

Do y’all in L2 even know who your commish is going to be yet?

[D3f3nd3r]

Yeah in that case you need to go in and remove whatever team isn’t supposed to be there

[D3f3nd3r]

Who did/didn’t play it, what were people’s scores, etc? If the majority of people didn’t play the game then please just random it, don’t give the few that did any special treatment.

[D3f3nd3r]

Hey I made two people die of dysentery and now their sacrifices are in vain :/

But yeah in all honestly just randomize it and stick the random.org receipt in here as an image or something, idk. I think it would've been fun, but it took me way longer than I expected and got pretty annoying when I was like "ugh this is too long", looked at the map, and was less than halfway to Oregon.

[D3f3nd3r]

Yes those are both right

[D3f3nd3r]

Divisions don’t look final yet, it’s currently divisions of 5/4/3. We’ll see how things get shifted. (Not sure if what’s currently listed is arbitrary or what’s up with it…don’t remember how we’ve been choosing them in the past.)

[D3f3nd3r]

Me/PJ/peg/Reck would be incredibly fun

[D3f3nd3r]

Yeah we do need answers for the poll, we’ve been hounding you about it for weeks. You say there’s a way to get back in to see results, but there’s not unless you either fill out the survey again or saved the completion URL, which I doubt anyone has done.

[D3f3nd3r]

Can we pick a specific date and time (ideally very soon because it impacts draft strategy) at which these will be finalized, and can you show us exact numbers for everything? Because PJ showed me the IR slot question and apparently not just did six IR slots not win, not a single person asked for that number.

[D3f3nd3r]

I would prefer, like, tomorrow. People have had several months already.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm fine with whatever personally. I'd be happy to back full PPR if there's interest. (My other league effectively plays as something between 1.2PPR and 2PPR so as long as we don't go that far I'm not gonna complain.)

[D3f3nd3r]

I mean, all the data is kinda going to suck because of the lack of an "I'm indifferent on this item" option on every question on the poll.

[D3f3nd3r]

Can we also get confirmation that the list that Kmd randomized is actually the list we’re using

[D3f3nd3r]

Ok cool, thanks for confirming

[D3f3nd3r]

That's fine too

We’ve passed both this and the 16th, what are we doing?

[D3f3nd3r]

Guessing so because adding a bench slot is also listed in that point (though apparently it got considerably closer between you doing the survey and Nero listing results).

[D3f3nd3r]

I mean, I mocked yesterday and ended up with multiple WRs and even a second TE that I’d rather start in the flex spot than my third best RB. But yeah, I think making RB and WR depth roughly equal is good and I’m curious to see how it shakes out (because even though it’s the default literally everywhere, I have very little experience with it).

Everything you changed for L1 looks right except kicker points, needs to be 10 yards per point not 1 yard per point.

[D3f3nd3r]

If 17 people voted, how is 8 (47.1%) a majority to replace wide receiver with a flex?

I would prefer more wide receivers than running backs myself. At least I am drafting top 4 so I can get one of cmc, cook, kamara, henry no matter what. I will not be trading my spot in this league this year.

The kicker thing is interesting. I did not vote for it but I okay with trying it

There were three options for that question so I’m guessing it got a plurality

EDIT: Yeah - 8 people said full flex, 3 said change it to WR/TE, 4 said keep it as-is

[D3f3nd3r]

Thanks for fixing…now I won’t have to draft Justin Tucker in the first

[D3f3nd3r]

I think we only decided on axing divisions for 10-team leagues. Pretty sure they’re being retained for L1 since we have 12.

[D3f3nd3r]

Or Greg the Leg! Or whoever the Broncos have since their stadium is great for kicking…is it still McManus?

[D3f3nd3r]

Just go RB/RB in the first two rounds and don’t worry about it

(Or alternatively please don’t because I don’t want to have to go WR/WR when there are no good RBs at the turn)

[D3f3nd3r]

In the event that a playoff match ties at say, 103.24 to 103.24, whoever won the regular season matchup between those two teams advances.

[D3f3nd3r]

Why are we worrying about this, I have literally never seen a tie in a fantasy football league where scores go down to the 0.01

At some point just yell at your quarterback for losing -2 yards from taking a knee and not -1

[D3f3nd3r]

I mean, it’s several orders of magnitude more likely in category based sports than points-based ones.

[D3f3nd3r]

The schedules do not currently match the divisions or the standings since they still display last years. Has it always been like this in league 1 when new teams come in? If not, then I do not like the way this looks at all. Got a bad feeling there could be a yahoo software bug here. Should be noted that my profession in real life is in Software QA. Also known as getting paid to find software bugs. And Yahoo is not paying me. So I really not like this if its a bug

It's not a software issue, Nero just hasn't fixed the schedule yet. Same thing happened last year, which is a bit unfortunate because it fucks up the initial projections and draft grades.

[D3f3nd3r]

The divisions have been fine the whole time but the schedules aren't (they showed up fine on mobile the whole time, desktop just defaults to showing last year's stuff)

[D3f3nd3r]

Yeah it’s always reverse of draft order. Which makes sense even with the even number of rounds.

[D3f3nd3r]

The difference between 1 and 12 is more significant than the difference between 13 and 24, and so on.

[D3f3nd3r]

Good think he also took Robinson

[D3f3nd3r]

Any update on getting the schedule sorted out? Again I’m more than happy to take co-commish for a couple days so that I can do it and then you can take it off me.

[D3f3nd3r]

Any update on getting the schedule sorted out?

stop pestering me!

its done now.

Looks good now, thanks

[D3f3nd3r]

That went from 0 to 100 right back to 0 very quickly

[D3f3nd3r]

Woo yeah the Bills lost

[D3f3nd3r]

You could say that he

Uh

Got Reckt?

[D3f3nd3r]

Looks like my RB room…I have Swift, but losing Mostert/Edwards and having Saquon not at 100% yet hurts. Need about 29 out of Swift to win this week and avoid an 0-2 start.

[D3f3nd3r]

I mean, Drew Lock has had very few good moments in his career, and Teddy Bridgewater played the injury-riddled Panthers into several very close games against very good teams last year. I don’t think it’s hard to argue that Bridgewater is significantly better than Lock…it definitely doesn’t seem like a masterplay.

[D3f3nd3r]

0-3 in scumleague probably woooooooooooooo

[D3f3nd3r]

It’s tough because it’s really not the case of one chronic nonperformer…everyone is just having a lot of mediocre-to-okay weeks and you usually need a player to actually get to the next level if you want to win.

Hopefully those performances start happening soon, because I’ve really only gotten the ones out of Thielen/Hill from Week 1 (and I blew that on awful RB play).

Would love to turn it all the way around and make playoffs but I think the better hope is clawing back to at least avoid relegation.

[D3f3nd3r]

Wait yeah I didn’t notice that

That can’t happen

[D3f3nd3r]

What happens if one player gets relegated?

And no, if I knew in-season draft pick trades were allowed I would have instantly said no to that option.

[D3f3nd3r]

Yeah no draft pick trades.

I don’t mind the trade as it stands but it might cause issues next year if both of you make L1, since you might need to manually override the pick order there. It’s just dumb because you two have no idea which 16th is better (and won’t until after the pick order is set in August).

[D3f3nd3r]

L1 standings through 4 weeks, if anyone in L2 or otherwise is curious

[D3f3nd3r]

Anyone in L1 have a good RB and want Tyreek?

[D3f3nd3r]

Spoiler: Current Every-Team-Every-Week Standings in L1 (Actual standings in parentheses)

Mongolian Khans 63-36 (1st)
Circle the Wagons 57-42 (6th)
Yiley's Yodelers 52-46-1 (10th)
Tally Whackers 52-47 (2nd)
Tatum Bellhops 51-48 (12th)
Men Without Helmets 51-48 (8th)
4th and Inches 50-49 (7th)
Poker's Aces 49-49-1 (11th)
Rolling Thunder 48-51 (4th)
Get Reckt 42-57 (3rd)
Moonsault Mahommes II 39-60 (5th)
Qtag 39-60 (9th)

DIVISION OF DEATH 171-225
VOODOO 214-185-1
MITH'S ENVY 208-187-1

Gotta say, some of these disparities are crazy...

[D3f3nd3r]

Spoiler: Current Every-Team-Every-Week Standings in L1 (Actual standings in parentheses)

Mongolian Khans 63-36 (1st)
Circle the Wagons 57-42 (6th)
Yiley's Yodelers 52-46-1 (10th)
Tally Whackers 52-47 (2nd)
Tatum Bellhops 51-48 (12th)
Men Without Helmets 51-48 (8th)
4th and Inches 50-49 (7th)
Poker's Aces 49-49-1 (11th)
Rolling Thunder 48-51 (4th)
Get Reckt 42-57 (3rd)
Moonsault Mahommes II 39-60 (5th)
Qtag 39-60 (9th)

DIVISION OF DEATH 171-225
VOODOO 214-185-1
MITH'S ENVY 208-187-1

Gotta say, some of these disparities are crazy...

Interesting, but I'm not really sure how to interpret it properly. Is this craziness due to the flex position or is any head-to-head league inherently swingy?

It's pretty normal for things to be like this. It lines up with total points scored pretty well - despite being in 10th in the standings, Yiley is third in points scored.

[D3f3nd3r]

For what it’s worth you’re only going to be one game back of 8th after this week ends

[D3f3nd3r]

Wait yeah there is apparently…same format as the top six.

[D3f3nd3r]

I think we normally use it to determine rankings 5-8 in L2/L3 to determine the order of alternates for promotion, but it never really determines relegation because it would only run a bracket for the teams ranked 5th through 8th. But we normally use it and I don’t think anyone has discussed turning it off, so we should still use it out of fairness.

[D3f3nd3r]

Consolation usually matters for purposes of promotion. In the past consolation has not determined relegation by default because when teams 1-4 make the playoffs, teams 5-8 are into the consolation bracket and nothing happens to 9-12.

[D3f3nd3r]

Yeah it’s 4 because we have at least 12 in L2

We’re just figuring out if that’s 9-12 before consolation or 9-12 after consolation

[D3f3nd3r]

I like using it. Also makes the last few weeks of the season more competitive for struggling teams since they have motivation to try for the 7/8 seeds and more broadly to keep their teams looking okay.

[D3f3nd3r]

Somehow staying in fifth despite moving to 6-6 and 0-4 in the division. Probably going to be me, PJ, and PEG at 6-6 fighting for two spots, with Kilga and maybe Groose a game back.

[D3f3nd3r]

Can BrightEyedFish drop one of their SIX running backs for the love of god lmfao

I also have six RBs! And I could realistically see myself starting any of the six of them over the next 2-3 weeks!

[D3f3nd3r]

Seems like only 7-10 will be in the consolation after all.

I’m still seeing 7-12

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm not a big fan of the "we can't change anything/make decisions for our current season"

If you genuinely believe this then please step down after this season

[D3f3nd3r]

Previous seasons: “Consolation brackets do not affect relegation”
This season: “Consolation brackets do affect relegation”
Nero Cain: “I’m not changing anything though…”

[D3f3nd3r]

I suppose it’s technically true to say that you aren’t changing anything but it’s blatantly false to say that nothing is changing

[D3f3nd3r]

I got that because that’s how it’s currently implemented

You said you saw an option to get rid of the consolation bracket, and as of when I looked yesterday morning you had not done so

[D3f3nd3r]

The way the consolation bracket works changed. Maybe you didn’t do it, but you can’t legitimately admit that there was no change.

And it sucks that we didn’t address this beforehand so there’s no actual definitive way to go, but you can’t claim that simultaneously things are changing and the status quo is being maintained.

[D3f3nd3r]

Also like this is the third time this season we’ve had this kind of issue stemming from you

[D3f3nd3r]

Pretty sure they don't affect anything

When we had three leagues, only the top three people in L2 got promoted so the third place consolation game had always been meaningful

[D3f3nd3r]

Rough status of playoff spots for L1

Reck, KK, and Tali have clinched playoff berths
Poker, Nero, Yiley, and Groose are eliminated from the playoffs (Assuming Nero follows through with consolation bracket not affecting relegation, Yiley and Groose will be relegated for sure)

Racefan clinches a playoff berth with a win (but also likely gets in with a loss because of tiebreakers)
Peg and PJ clinch playoff berths with a win, but they are playing each other

Since there will only be at most five teams with eight wins, and since Kilga has a massive lead in the tiebreaker, Kilga almost assuredly clinches a playoff berth with a win

I need to win, I need Kilga to lose, and if Peg loses to PJ I need to outscore him by 37, if I want to sneak in.

Relegation (again assuming Nero follows through with what he said about consolation bracket not mattering)
I survive with a win
Poker needs to win and for me to lose
Nero needs to win, for Poker to lose, for me to lose, and to outscore me by at least 6

[D3f3nd3r]

I would also like to know full relegation standards in case someone does not come back next year. I want to know order of who would move up kind of stuff since we did have 5 League 2's move up at start of this season.

Per mith in 2019...we haven't said anything otherwise since then, so this is what we are presumably using.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'd like a different commish next season, one who actually feels invested and I could talk to and shit.

Agree

[D3f3nd3r]

Honestly the best reason for Nero to step down is because other people want him to.

naw, I'm not going to do that especially given that the "reasoning" why d3 and Panzer are in an uproar didn't actually happen. Hopefully, Panzer just starts his own league so I and the others that just want to play FF can.

There are zero people in L1 that have explicitly said that they want you to continue as commish

[D3f3nd3r]

your point being? that I should stop running a mish-mash game b/c you and Panzer decided to tell some lie about me changing the promotion/relegation scheme? no thanks. Sorry that I'm not rolling over and letting you bully me.

The fact that I don’t trust you to run a fantasy football league isn’t some massive attack on your character…

[D3f3nd3r]

well you're about to get relegated, and are gonna have to pass it to someone, so.....

yeah but its not going to be you

I don’t think he actually wants it for himself

[D3f3nd3r]

never said that. Just that its an objective fact that you and Panzer told a lie for X reason.

Even with this aside I can think of probably 3-4 different things you’ve fucked up this/last season

[D3f3nd3r]

Yeah I believe that’s what we’ve done in the past, when someone doubles up then promotion/relegation is handled as if their team in the lower league doesn’t exist. Which means y’all need to figure out whether or not the fifth-place consolation game will matter for determining the fourth spot if Nero makes top four…

[D3f3nd3r]

Btw what are the L2 standings? Nero hasn’t updated the OP in three weeks.

[D3f3nd3r]

Wow that’s one hell of a logjam at 6-7 wins

[D3f3nd3r]

How are you that desperate to cling onto “power”, that you’re now convinced that failing to set the schedule properly until I hound you for two weeks and then saying it’s not a big deal is “not doing what you want and you crying about it” and trying to make an in-season draft pick trade under the guise that we all agreed to it and then saying it’s not a big deal when we all complain is “not doing what you want and you crying about it”…

I’ve wanted you to step down since the start of this season, this is just the point where you’ve shown off your lack of communication skills enough times that it’s been worthwhile for me to actually say so out loud.

[D3f3nd3r]

says the guy that lied his ass off that I changed the relegation scheme so you and Panzer can be "in power"
.
I've already explained to you that I was having internet issues over the summer and you can only do the schedule on desktop. You didn't need to "hound" me about it, I was just physically unable to do it exactly when you wanted. And when I did get internet service back I did it that day. Now there was an "incident" where I did the schedule and then you noticed that there was a mistake you snapped at me on discord that I wasn't "doing it" but it was an easy fix, I just had to move a name or two around. It's an honest mistake and I'm far from the first person to make a mistake and have to fix it. So no it's not a big deal. Now maybe if I neglected to fix it then sure its a big deal but the schedule has been correct for months now.

I wanted to try out draft pick trading to see how it worked. Clearly, I was impacting the league and giving myself a HUUUUGGGEEEE advantage next year by swapping a worthless 16th rounder.

you're all bark and no bite so good choice of avatar.

You did actually say that you didn’t see why changing the schedule mattered. Just like you are still saying that your draft pick trade didn’t matter. We never considered that “oh late draft pick trades are fine because they’re only for the lols right?”

[D3f3nd3r]

you're all bark and no bite

What am I supposed to be? All I can do is talk, it’s a forum on the internet

[D3f3nd3r]

The schedule isn’t something I came up with, Mith had a system he used every year and all I wanted was for you to use the thing that we’ve always been using. You can’t claim that you just did it to acquiesce to me when it’s a precedent that’s been in place for years.

[D3f3nd3r]

The document that I sent you to copy the schedule from was last edited by Mith in 2016. Which means the owner of the site has been trying to sabotage the league he gave to you to take over for five years since well before he stopped running the league. I’m sorry you had to find out this way

[D3f3nd3r]

but I mean, I really don't feel like scheduling is

that

important, and who you play from week to week doesn't really matter. If your entire argument is just that we should always be using the Mith schedule then fine I guess. It doesn't really change anything one way or the other but keep grasping at them straws.

My argument is that we should have been using this schedule all along. The argument you made was “why does it matter?” after you initially did it incorrectly. Thank you for ultimately doing it right, but we can still talk about how much of a struggle it was to get there.

[D3f3nd3r]

the league he gave to you

You really are clinging to this power, huh? It’s a fantasy football league commissioner position, I very much do not feel any worse as a person for the fact that I don’t have that power.

[D3f3nd3r]

This feels like trying to pry Arrakis out of the hands of the Harkonnens

Are you saying that this is getting... Spicy?

Spoiler: New team logo just dropped (for context, the unaltered image is my current team logo

[D3f3nd3r]

Can we put “zero divisional games are played” on the rule change ballot for next season

[D3f3nd3r]

If you want to be in a specific division then we can do that.

Me/PJ/peg/Reck would be incredibly fun

Can we put “zero divisional games are played” on the rule change ballot for next season

I mean, if I didn’t fight Nero on the screwed up divisional matchup scheduling (and the order of divisional opponents was preserved) I would’ve gone 3-3 in the division! Just would have lost to different people these past few weeks.

[D3f3nd3r]

Can we put “zero divisional games are played” on the rule change ballot for next season

If you really want, sure.

To be clear, this was a joke…but it could never hurt.

[D3f3nd3r]

Bottom four (assuming nobody leaves, which is…doubtful considering the last few days)

[D3f3nd3r]

Also make sure that every question allows for selecting multiple options (for people with multiple options they prefer equally) and not answering the question (for people that don’t care), those were also major flaws in the poll this year

[D3f3nd3r]

Yeah they’re both super easy, one is just a checkbox and the other I believe is changing the question type between the two multiple-choice options

[D3f3nd3r]

That is what that means. Congrats^

By the way, it looks like playoff reseeding is not turned on in league 1. The 1 seed is currently playing the 4 seed while the 2 seed is against the 6 seed in league one playoffs

The reseeding also effects the consolation bracket, but no one cares about that any more. Nero lost in round 1 of consolation so previous arguments about that stuff are mute

Yeah that’s another thing Nero forgot to bring up at the start of the season, welp

[D3f3nd3r]

good job on 1-3

Come again?

[D3f3nd3r]

good job on 1-3

Come again?

he's saying that you constantly pick on him and that of the things you have complained about, this is the first one with "Actual merit" and the other 3 are wrong.

Which is... ridiculous, especially considering you weren't even the one who pointed this one out but HEY

The word of the day is "Petty", so let's just let Nero have this one?

I mean, if he wants to go in and manually change the matchups and bring me to a disappointing 0-4 record on calling him out, I believe Yahoo gives him the power to do that?

[D3f3nd3r]

Because it would have changed my strategy. If the consolation bracket mattered, I probably would have tanked the last week of the regular season to get players with good first-week-of-consolation matchups.

The universally accepted rule is that in-season changes to fantasy leagues are only made unanimously. Because if anyone gets screwed over it’s bad.

[D3f3nd3r]

naw, I'm honorable so you get your 1-3 record.

“I’m honorable so I’m not gonna change the rules to what they should be”

[D3f3nd3r]

naw, I'm honorable so you get your 1-3 record.

“I’m honorable so I’m not gonna change the rules to what they should be”

there never was any rule change. The scoring and the roster settings are what we agreed upon in the offseason and despite your and Panzers claims the relegation bracket didn't get changed. If you refer to the seeding then I'm unable to change it once the playoffs start. Good thing too, I made an actual mistake so you can ride me about that instead of making things up.

Is this what being mad with power is like

[D3f3nd3r]

If I made a mod error in a mafia game and repeatedly said afterwards that I was happy I made that mistake before refusing to fix it, I’d get banned from modding for a long time

[D3f3nd3r]

Good thing too, I made an actual mistake

Like it’s definitely sarcasm but still

[D3f3nd3r]

Yeah L1 will be in need of a new person since Nero is moving down. I’m sure he’ll take over L2 and run all of the poll stuff though, can’t imagine he’ll have any desire to delegate that to the L1 commish.

[D3f3nd3r]

Making it matter part way through season absolutely changes strategy.

I don't really agree.

We don't need to vote on reseeding b/c it was supposed to be on and I just messed up on that one. I'm fine voting on making the consolation bracket matter and in hindsight, I think it's a great idea and I'm upset that I didn't think of it.

Don't join unless you will participate for the

entire season

. Failure to do so may result in relegation or banning from the league.

One could argue that the entire season does include the consolation bracket and thus having it matter this year was already in the rules but I'm not a hardliner so I was absolutely ok with it not mattering this year.

I'd be remiss to add that if we did decide to go with a consolation bracket that matters we'd have to keep the current 6 go to the playoffs.

run all of the poll stuff though, can’t imagine he’ll have any desire to delegate that to the L1 commish.

???

I don't mind if KMD has the commish ability next year or not. It's just writing some questions on a google form and if that's something Killa really wants to be able to do...fine? Only thing would be if I get out the op next year so maybe he needs to pm me the link so I can put it in there.

If Kilga made the OP next year as L1 commish would you see that as a problem?

[D3f3nd3r]

Groose, Nero, Yiley, and I move down

Obviously this all assumes nobody set to move to L1 drops out, in which case we follow what Mith posted in 2019 unless Nero wants to get his grubby paws on that to “punish” me:
L1 #9
L2 #5
L1 #10
L2 #6
L2 #7
L1 #11
L2 #8
L1 #12
L2 #9
L2 #10
L2 #11
L2 #12