Mini 2250: Role-A-Pair Mafia (Game Over)


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Post Post #19 (isolation #0) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:08 am

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In post 13, Circle Shape wrote:if someone pairs with a scummy scumfuck who is obvious that doesnt mean you should lim them because of prs or whatever
It should be noted that partnering with a scummy scumfuck still allows the you to essentially Roleblock the PR since both parties must agree to use the ability.

In regards to pairing, I want to be picky with my partner. As a modifier, I feel it's my right to be so since powers need me and not the other way around.
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Post Post #39 (isolation #1) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:15 pm

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In post 25, Diamond Shape wrote:I like the ability to strip mafia of a power; it's annoying to give them a roleblocker but at least we know what it is, where it might go, and if it's given to town we can leash it hopefully.
This reads as TMI. How do you know scum has a Roleblocker?
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Post Post #40 (isolation #2) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:17 pm

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Star feels a bit like pandering for town reads too
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Post Post #41 (isolation #3) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:18 pm

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I like Pentagon. Wouldn't mind pairing there.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #4) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:08 pm

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Pair: Circle


I found who I want as my partner.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #5) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:13 pm

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Arrow Shape
Circle Shape = !winner!
Diamond Shape

Heart Shape
Pentagon Shape !consolation!
Star Shape

Triangle Shape
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Post Post #103 (isolation #6) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:23 pm

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In post 100, Pentagon Shape wrote:Red definitely has chutzpah, I’ll give them that. lol
Not sure what that means lol.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #7) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:29 pm

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If Circle is town, I'm confident I can earn their trust. If they are scum, well, let's just say I'm not going to just roll and let them have the run of the pt.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:45 am

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0/10 no hexagon
unpair
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Post Post #185 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:47 am

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Why do you want to pair with me?

I'm not necessarily against it I was clearing the circle pair of my predecessor
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Post Post #190 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:10 am

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From a catchup point of view thus game blurs
I see pros and cons to pairing w/ scum or town here so I really don't mind ATM who I pair with
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Post Post #280 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:26 pm

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Can someone go over why purple seems to be a consensus townread, I've seen a lot of "purple is town" but I haven't seen why. I have seen a lot of effort but that isn't completely AI.

As far as I can tell Triangle this game has made basically one point which is a really odd roundabout TMI accusation on penta.

Still don't really understand Penta's 180 on me, but others seem to believe the logic holds and its right so I guess it can be left be.
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Post Post #286 (isolation #12) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:39 pm

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I'd say there is rarely a case where scum doesn't bus their partners, maybe not to the point of elimination but somewhat at least.

Reading through ISOs, not impressed with orange's posts, Purple/Penta's is fine enough that I'd prefer them alive at EoD.



As for the last post of my predessor, I probably wouldn't consider it a towntell if it was on another person, especially if I was already scumreading them but that's probably just playstyle difference.
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Post Post #289 (isolation #13) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:48 pm

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Star/Heart need to give more thoughts on the game as a whole, most of their ISo's focus on Mech
I like diamond for town atm, though that may just be from AtE, I'll sleep on it

I don't think I ever want penta gone today so:
Pair pentagon
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Post Post #290 (isolation #14) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:50 pm

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Haven't gone through blue's ISO yet and I'm not going to tonight but their analysis of the Star ISO mirrors my own.

That said, I need some sleep, cheers!
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Post Post #311 (isolation #15) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:26 am

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In post 310, Star Shape wrote: Diamond's defeatist attitude wrt perceived lack of interaction is very meh to me, several people myself included have given him content to work with but he hasn't responded to much. It also seems odd that he's acting like he's going to have to go solo since no one is poking at him too much, even though he's guaranteed to pair up with a color. Also don't like Triangle's gimmick the longer the game goes on, since my eyes tend to glaze over when reading their posts and that may just be the point. It seems like borderline encrypted text, intentionally making their posts hard to read just seems anti-town.
I definitely could see it as coming from frustrated town, but you bring up a good point. Diamond is mainly saying "woe is me, no one will interact with me" instead of just actively interacting with others. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #16) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:36 am

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Circle seems pretty townie by ISO.
Arrow doesn't have a lot but what is there is a good look for them.
Yellow basically hasn't contributed to the game at all at this point.
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Post Post #313 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:43 am

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Green ISo is lackluster
Blue seems very transparent, which is hard for scum to fake without scumtelling.

Because I've seen tthis come up a few times I'll leave this here.
2) Players will receive a role PM before the game starts informing them only of their alignment, win condition, and whether they are a Modifier or Power. There are six Modifiers (Colors) and seven Powers (Shapes) in the game. Flavor is random and unrelated to role content. They will receive their account names and passwords at this point.
The colors/ shapes that correspond to each ability would be randed after setup generation. So don't pull from the color/ shape any speculation of abilities.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #18) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:02 am

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In post 343, Color Purple wrote:And how's Yellow? I still townread them but maybe they've been sharing their thoughts with you and it might help reinforce my townread and other's townreads on them.
In post 344, Arrow Shape wrote:I don't think we have a PT yet, or at least I can't find it.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #19) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:03 am

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1. What makes you TR yellow?

2. PTs are made at the end of phase 1/start of elimination phase.
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Post Post #374 (isolation #20) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:35 am

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In post 161, Pentagon Shape wrote:
pair red


changed my mind

Diamond should probably be left out.
In post 289, Color Red wrote:Star/Heart need to give more thoughts on the game as a whole, most of their ISo's focus on Mech
I like diamond for town atm, though that may just be from AtE, I'll sleep on it

I don't think I ever want penta gone today so:
Pair pentagon

VOTE: @Mod I believe this pair was also formed
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Post Post #375 (isolation #21) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:40 am

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In post 357, Arrow Shape wrote:Please don't post like this unless it's a chat restriction.
I will probably think you're scum if you post like that.
While it is annoying, why do you think it comes from scum?

It would only serve to impair their own information which isn't helpful as either alignment.
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Post Post #377 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:42 am

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Actually on second thought there would be an advantage, I'll wait to see if we are thinking of the same thing
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Post Post #378 (isolation #23) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:43 am

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In post 376, Circle Shape wrote:i feel like falling behind on this game has left me feeling really lost in terms of reads and im still not fully caught up
The abstract names/avatars does contribute to that I think. Unfortunate situation
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Post Post #398 (isolation #24) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:32 pm

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Remaining Pairs

Blue/Orange/Green

Triangle/Star/Circle/Diamond

As I'm not a huge fan of the colors remaining, we may want to try to pair scummy players with each other. That way if we are right on at least one of the pair, we deny scum control on an ability if either is eliminated.


As for which to which that would fall on associative which I personally am garbage at reading.
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Post Post #399 (isolation #25) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:36 pm

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Assuming we elim the unpaired player d1,

In theory pairing (likely scum if the unpaired is town) with (likely scum if the unpaired is town) and (likely scum if unpaired flips scum) with (likely scum if unpaired flips scum) would be best.

Even if we don't have strong associatives (i wouldn't be one to judge) I think town deciding the remaining pairs would be +town.
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Post Post #401 (isolation #26) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:39 pm

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It also works well against scum fear pairing with each other when it looks like one of them staying unpaired.
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Post Post #455 (isolation #27) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:21 am

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In post 453, Triangle Shape wrote:jst sayin i hv a lfe outsd of gme as wll u kno.

Also i wld rck ur rnts sox off.
But when you do post you aren't providing much of anything, and your posting style makes it difficult to engage with you.
A reads list would be nice to see where you are with the game
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Post Post #456 (isolation #28) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:28 am

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Orange if you had to pair right now who would you pair with and why.
That goes for green too.
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Post Post #495 (isolation #29) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:58 pm

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Triangle it is going to be hard to engage with you if you want to make it actively difficult to do so.

You claim LHF but actively act in a way so to give yourself attention, why would scum want to push such a look at me player?

Your playstyle appears slayer's gambity at BEST, and actively harmful to town at worst.

And slayer's gambit isn't effective in it's own right
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Post Post #496 (isolation #30) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:00 pm

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Diamond appears townie on surface level due to the nature of their posts looking unlikely from scum. but looking further there isn't really much there supporting town!diamond and plenty of reason/oppurtunity for scum! diamod to act that way as well
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Post Post #504 (isolation #31) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:56 pm

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I would like to hear more from star before pairs are decided, especially if we plan to eliminate the unpaired player D1
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Post Post #604 (isolation #32) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:00 pm

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Blue and circle have been townie in recent posting

I like a green/diamond pair.

Still not a big fan of either
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Post Post #605 (isolation #33) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:04 pm

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Orange's recent posting is good as well.

Still want to hear from star but don't we all at this point.

Yellow I would love to hear thoughts about the game during your catchup today.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #34) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:48 pm

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Now we got the spice!

I'd love to hear why I am the deathtunnel of choice green
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Post Post #726 (isolation #35) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:50 am

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In post 722, Circle Shape wrote:VOTE: Heart
VOTE: Heart

+1

Still want to hear from twinkly as well
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Post Post #727 (isolation #36) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:51 am

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But considering heart has been around and I don't think anyone TRs them this wagon needs some attention independant of star
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Post Post #819 (isolation #37) » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:26 am

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I think the problem isn't really trajectory so much as you have very palpable reads that were supposedly made pre-getting your role and then you don't seem to be following them afterward. You are giving the impression you changed some of your reads before your first post.
Wonder why that could be?



VOTE: Green
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Post Post #820 (isolation #38) » Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:28 am

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I still like the heart wagon but I feel them and green aren't s/s.
Green feels scummier for a few reasons and they are actually active.
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Post Post #823 (isolation #39) » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:18 am

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This is the kind of stuff that doesn't make sense to me from green.

1. You are pushing me for what seems to be a single line in a single post that can be interpreted as scum AtE. It's very much pulling at straws

2. If me and heart are s/s, why would I ever hop off when they still have a good chance of being eliminated today? It would be objectively better to stay on to try and gain towncred. Instead they try to discredit my concerns about their slot because "oh they are just jumping off their bus of my other scumread" It's very obviously not being aware of the gamestate because they aren't interested in actually sorting.

I had to ask twice for the reasoning for their scumread on me TWICE before they actually provided it, and what they provided was a single extremely small case they seem to think has huge ramifications.
Does anyone not actively playing the game build cases like that? Would anyone actually playing the game build cases like that? It feels so obviously artificial at this point.

I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, but their recent play has been absolutely abysmal if they are town. At this point I would gladiate them if I could.



As for why they aren't scum with heart, I get the impression their case on heart is as artificial as the one on me, and their isn't a reason to artifically push a teammate.
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Post Post #831 (isolation #40) » Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:01 am

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In post 827, Color Blue wrote:I have trouble believing it's artificial from Green!scum because he pushed at you ~12m after replace in.

IMO that's far too short a time for someone to rep in, see they are scum, then scan the thread for things to attack with.

The belief that you are mafia because of that post should probably have been formed prior to replacing in, making it a belief Green had prior to receiving his role pm....

I guess it's possible he's a very daring scumbag who has no hesitation about getting into it aggressively right off the bat but I don't often see that.


I am wondering do you have any reason to townread Heart? I don't think there was anything in his iso that seemed townie and Circle does make a good case that he does seem to be just coasting with making some very noncommital comments.
I think they picked someone at random and went after them thinking their aggresiveness would look townie. They didn't have time to build a case bforehand which is why they don't have a case on me (one line is not a case, and attacking a specific post is usually scum indicitive)

Alternatively, they weren't satisfied with the gamestate as it was when they replaced in.
This would implicate the unpaired shapes as potential partners, but may not be the case.

As for heart, I don't townread them. They are scummy independantly of green. But I don't think their dynamic with green is s/s, and green's play looks like textbook scum play to me.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #41) » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:16 am

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Ah yes the age old question

Vote the person who blatantly isn't curious as to the alignments of other players OR keep voting the person that's not there

I'm glad I chose the latter looking at heart's recent posts.

We should probably not delay n1. Once we know what the powers are we can decide what is most dangerous in scum hands to delay
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Post Post #913 (isolation #42) » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:17 am

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How you guys don't see the blatant shitpushing is baffling.
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Post Post #999 (isolation #43) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:35 pm

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Heart lim giving off serious LHF vibes.
I don't see scum responding to their wagon like this.
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #44) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:36 pm

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I haven't looked the most critically into recent posts but I plan to go back for analysis tomorrow.
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