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Post Post #1735 (isolation #0) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:02 am

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I’m Commander Shepard and this is my favorite thread on MafiaScum.
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Post Post #1736 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:07 am

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In post 1705, Datisi wrote:
vote count 5.01

with 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 5 ends in (expired on 2021-11-18 09:15:00).


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Gamma Emerald, Dwlee99, ChaosOmega, redtea, StrangeMatter, AliceK


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Usually 3 Reapers (scum) on mini normal battlefields.

I am not scum as I am the Spectre so therefore two scum in Gamma, Dwlee, redtea, StrangeMatter, and Alice. Catching up now but is there mission intel I need to be aware of before I go through the history logs?
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Post Post #1737 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:12 am

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In post 1702, redtea wrote:
In post 1700, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait redtea are you just a doctor doctor
im town babysitter, which makes the fact town ascetic died n1 hurt all the more
id been trying to figure out whether it'd be better to withold my exact role but i just can't think of a negative that isn't outweighed by a positive atp
So redtea claims babysitter. Has mass claim happened?
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Post Post #1739 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:16 am

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In post 1727, redtea wrote:
In post 1712, ChaosOmega wrote:
In post 1702, redtea wrote:
In post 1700, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait redtea are you just a doctor doctor
im town babysitter, which makes the fact town ascetic died n1 hurt all the more
id been trying to figure out whether it'd be better to withold my exact role but i just can't think of a negative that isn't outweighed by a positive atp
In post 1703, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well in that case don’t use that anymore because it can only hurt
This is wrong too, we're at evens, we're not no-yeeting today with the claim. If we lim town we lose regardless, but if we lim scum redtea should claim their target and target someone, they either don't die which gives us info, the target is town and they both die, but we get back down to odds, or mafia targets not redtea for the NK.
okay now I understand
but upon declaring this strategy, if we went through with it then. Scum would probably just avoid nking me no matter who I targeted
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Babysitter

This does not make sense.

Why would reapers avoid shooting nking you when you give two town deaths?
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Post Post #1740 (isolation #4) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:17 am

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In post 1738, Dwlee99 wrote:Alice is conftown

You can claim if you want
I can, and I am VT. More curious as to why this hasn’t seemed to happen yet in melo.
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Post Post #1742 (isolation #5) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:20 am

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In post 1741, Dwlee99 wrote:It has happened I just wanted to see if you'd claim something different from the previous owner of your slot
Where has this happened?
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Post Post #1744 (isolation #6) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:22 am

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In post 1662, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1661, AliceK wrote:T3 flipped Town what a surprise...
VOTE: Gamma
Alice if you weren't conftown I'd think your t3 read was TMI because he was scummy af
Why was Alice conf town here?
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Post Post #1747 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:25 am

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In post 1743, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait am I thinking of something else

I think I asked people to claim at some point but a quick skim of my ISO isn't finding it
What’s your claim?
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Post Post #1748 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:26 am

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So no one died N4 so redtea barring a counterclaim is also confirmed town and just being mechanically unsavvy.
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Post Post #1749 (isolation #9) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:27 am

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Two scum in Gamma, Dwlee, and StrangeMatter. Man the reticule is tiny and that’s good.
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Post Post #1751 (isolation #10) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:34 am

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That makes things remarkably easy. StrangeMatter is very likely one of the two scum. Now just to find the other.
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Post Post #1753 (isolation #11) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:39 am

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In post 1564, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.final

with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.


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Jolyne [3]:
Dwlee99, Gamma Emerald, T3, Jolyne, Not_Mafia
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AliceK [1]:
redtea

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It’s a fact scum bussed Jolyne. Either one or both (in case StrangeMatter is bad town) got on Jolene early. I doubt a double bus so it’s likely one of Dwlee or Gamma and StrangeMatter
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Post Post #1754 (isolation #12) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:41 am

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In post 1752, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1747, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1743, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait am I thinking of something else

I think I asked people to claim at some point but a quick skim of my ISO isn't finding it
What’s your claim?
I'm VT
In post 1748, Commander Shepard wrote:So no one died N4 so redtea barring a counterclaim is also confirmed town and just being mechanically unsavvy.
This read feels way too easily made
It’s logic.

Scum either attempted to kill and it was stopped. Since no one has counter claimed redtea in this case they have to be town. The other option is scum no killed, which is like why?
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #13) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:51 am

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In post 1553, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay this isn't going through

I'm a one-shot checker and got no result on Jolyne last night
Why Jolene?
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Post Post #1758 (isolation #14) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:55 am

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In post 1756, Dwlee99 wrote:I've seen scum do gambits like that to close out a game and sometimes be a little fancy. I don't
think
it's what happened here because scum!redtea was already townread, and it paints a bigger target on them for the night kill than before (why aren't they dead? paranoia), but without knowing more about the game you just went right for that read
Correct. Scum CAN do gambits like that but it’s a matter of did they? Odds are probably not since one of the players is conf town still alive. Starting with mechanics is always the way to go.

Why the fake checker claim?
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Post Post #1759 (isolation #15) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:56 am

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In post 1757, Dwlee99 wrote:I lied to make sure the wagon went through and hoping scum would try to kill me instead of Darby who I thought could be under claiming # of shots
So you’re bussing and you wanted Jolyne to die that day is the most probable explanation. If Jolyne didn’t die then you’d be in a world of hurt.
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Post Post #1763 (isolation #16) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:01 am

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In post 1760, Dwlee99 wrote:Why would I need Jolyne to die that day instead of just not?
If Jolyne didn’t die and no one received a message then you’d be in the same position of having to bus Jolyne again. Having failed the first time makes you lose all the credibility you built and having to lose a scum.
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Post Post #1764 (isolation #17) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:02 am

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In post 1762, Dwlee99 wrote:If I was scum with Koba I would never force their lim through

They're literally one of the best scum players on site and I have extreme respect for them, no way I would insist I could endgame better than they could
Who is Koba?
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Post Post #1767 (isolation #18) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:06 am

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In post 853, Jolyne wrote:Actually fuck it -
I'm informed town ascetic
I didnt claim bc public info -> im informed that scum is informed that a town informed ascetic exists.
Which means they know the IC isn't one.
Now can we stop the ascetic talk, val?
This isn’t a post an experienced player makes expecting to end game. Experienced scum that expects to end game claims ascetic like a townie would.
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #19) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:07 am

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In post 1765, Dwlee99 wrote:So instead of hard pushing and then letting people wagon somewhere else instead of Koba (which is what people were pretty much ready to do before I shoved it through) so I look really good for having pushed it early and letting other people counterwagon, you're saying I would think it better to get the scum flip earlier? How does that make any sense?
That’s not what I am saying. I am saying you were committed. If you fail it looks like distancing and therefore no town cred. You had to succeed there.
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Post Post #1770 (isolation #20) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:13 am

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In post 1769, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1767, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 853, Jolyne wrote:Actually fuck it -
I'm informed town ascetic
I didnt claim bc public info -> im informed that scum is informed that a town informed ascetic exists.
Which means they know the IC isn't one.
Now can we stop the ascetic talk, val?
This isn’t a post an experienced player makes expecting to end game. Experienced scum that expects to end game claims ascetic like a townie would.
That post actually had people townreading them ironically, but kinda fair
In post 1768, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1765, Dwlee99 wrote:So instead of hard pushing and then letting people wagon somewhere else instead of Koba (which is what people were pretty much ready to do before I shoved it through) so I look really good for having pushed it early and letting other people counterwagon, you're saying I would think it better to get the scum flip earlier? How does that make any sense?
That’s not what I am saying. I am saying you were committed. If you fail it looks like distancing and therefore no town cred. You had to succeed there.
This isn't my experience at all. I've bussed while people counterwagoned elsewhere and then rode the towncred to a win. And it's way better for cred because then other people succeeded in getting someone mislimmed and there's a bunch of people to point fingers at that made that happen instead of a scum wagon
What does your elimination pool look like?
Do you think scum no killed?
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Post Post #1773 (isolation #21) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:21 am

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In post 1772, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1770, Commander Shepard wrote:Do you think scum no killed?
And no, not really, but I feel like town!you would have given it more consideration than you did
Why? A scum voluntary no kill is almost never a thing.
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Post Post #1776 (isolation #22) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:28 am

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In post 1774, Dwlee99 wrote:I think there was a game I saw someone reference very recently where scum did a no-kill to set up a doctor claim, lemme find it
I’ll grant you this exists. One game out of thousands. I’ll stick with what’s likely.

So your PoE is Gamma/strange/me.

If I am scum who with?

And I know your answer if I am town so don’t bother with answering that hypothetical.

Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #23) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:31 am

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In post 1777, Dwlee99 wrote:You're probably scum with Gamma
And you say this because?
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #24) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:34 am

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In post 1779, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1776, Commander Shepard wrote:Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare
okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"
Yes. This is not inconsistent and I do not like what you are misrepresenting.

For the redtea claim there’s no evidence of a gambit. Between that and making imho bad mechanics statements that work against their gambit, redtea likely isn’t gambiting. Whereas you are a proven gambit as either alignment and it’s a matter of why. Since Jolyne was already destined to die in the 800s post I quoted one of you or Gamma bussed. You’re the proven gambiter so odds are it’s you.
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Post Post #1782 (isolation #25) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:36 am

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In post 1780, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1778, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1777, Dwlee99 wrote:You're probably scum with Gamma
And you say this because?
You're spewing gamma scum with your entrance where you say you think Strange is scum and you're gonna "find the other" while angling to push me
Why are you assuming I am scum? I came in and started reading and what pops out to me I respond to.
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Post Post #1785 (isolation #26) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:40 am

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In post 1783, Dwlee99 wrote:But why would I gambit to guilty my buddy instead of just not doing that as scum. There's clear motivation here fmpov to do that because I could have drawn a night kill to get darby to get another result and also just remove someone that people had suspicion of from the game, but I don't see why I'd want to do that as scum
As I said earlier you needed Jolyne to go down there. There’s no way you draw a night kill as a one shot checker. It’s a claim designed to not out your buddies and not show up as a Neopolitan. Your fake claim check was flawed and designed to extract information.
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Post Post #1787 (isolation #27) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:44 am

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In post 1786, Dwlee99 wrote:Yea I can't convince you you're scum so it's fine
I know I can’t convince you to say you’re scum. I am asking these questions to demonstrate your scum mindset to others. And yes I had you assume I am scum, but none of the rest of the post after that follows.
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Post Post #1789 (isolation #28) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:45 am

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You’re very much working from a we need Gamma or me flipped. No one here doing mass claim is suspicious as hell and on top of that you forgot you had to claim one shot checker. Like I think this game is just done.
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Post Post #1792 (isolation #29) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:47 am

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In post 1788, Dwlee99 wrote:1.) If I'm scum there's zero reason I NEED Koba dead there. I already responded to this point and you're just repeating it without responding to what I said
2.) If I was planning to kill Darby why TF would it matter if I showed up as not VT to him and
3.) If I claim full checker then scum would know I was full of shit, whereas one-shot makes it seem like I'm lying about my number of shots
I already responded to what you said. If Jolyne doesn’t die you lose cred. You disagreed without attacking my point.
Because you don’t know what other PRs do and don’t exist at that point.
If you’re full checker then no one would buy it.
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #30) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:49 am

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In post 1791, Dwlee99 wrote:Forget?? I opened today explaining what I was trying to do

You're full of shit
Haven’t read that far but it’s likely just another ploy since at this point it’s unlikely a check can happen.

I am thinking no elim with two conf town and mass claim is in order and redtea protects no one.

Then remaining conf town determines the elim.
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Post Post #1794 (isolation #31) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:50 am

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Either that or Alice and redtea just determine the elim today

Actually that’s better then tomorrow if there is a game we have another conf town driven elim
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Post Post #1797 (isolation #32) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:54 am

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In post 1795, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1792, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1788, Dwlee99 wrote:1.) If I'm scum there's zero reason I NEED Koba dead there. I already responded to this point and you're just repeating it without responding to what I said
2.) If I was planning to kill Darby why TF would it matter if I showed up as not VT to him and
3.) If I claim full checker then scum would know I was full of shit, whereas one-shot makes it seem like I'm lying about my number of shots
I already responded to what you said. If Jolyne doesn’t die you lose cred. You disagreed without attacking my point.
Because you don’t know what other PRs do and don’t exist at that point.
If you’re full checker then no one would buy it.
How do I lose cred if Jolyne doesn't die. I've explained how the opposite is the case but you're continuing on pushing this bs
That’s just common sense. Push a wagon and it doesn’t go through it’s distancing not a bus. That’s the definition. The only way towncred is granted is on a successful bus with an experienced player.
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Post Post #1799 (isolation #33) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:55 am

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In post 1796, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1769, Dwlee99 wrote:This isn't my experience at all. I've bussed while people counterwagoned elsewhere and then rode the towncred to a win. And it's way better for cred because then other people succeeded in getting someone mislimmed and there's a bunch of people to point fingers at that made that happen instead of a scum wagon
It's like you didn't read this post or are deliberately ignoring it
I did read it. It’s literally just “I have done something impossible”. You can only distance in that case and if anyone gave you credit they’re being bad players.
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Post Post #1800 (isolation #34) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:56 am

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In post 1798, Dwlee99 wrote:That's not the definition at all what
Bussing requires the person to die.
Bussing is getting an elim on a scum buddy.
Distancing is suggesting/pushing a scum buddy.

All busses require distancing but not all distancing is bussing.
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Post Post #1805 (isolation #35) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:03 am

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In post 1801, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay but the amount of town cred is about how much you attempt to make the lim happen, not just voting it

Scum see more frequently on scum lims then off them, it's about who wanted the elimination to actually happen vs who pushed counterwagons
In my only opinion this is an incorrect way to assign cred and why towns lose to certain players a lot. Pushing a buddy in that manner gives an opportunity to avoid talking about the rest of the game while seeming town. That’s why unless the spot is generating massive amounts of content regarding other slots they have to have the elim go through to receive cred. We know Jolyne was a planned bus. It’s a matter of who talked the least about other slots and who was more invested is the scum.
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Post Post #1806 (isolation #36) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:06 am

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In an ideal world, we elim StrangeMatter today then you and Gamma duke it out to find the busser. I suspect that’s you based on what’s here but there’s a possibility I am wrong. The more you push me the more you’re proving my theory right though. StrangeMatter as town never should vote here and it would always be up to conf town who we elim.
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Post Post #1807 (isolation #37) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:10 am

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Why is strange matter town to you Dwlee?
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Post Post #1809 (isolation #38) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:16 am

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In post 1808, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't believe you believe I bussed here

Like you read D3 and think that was a bus? Look at how Koba is trying to ignore me and actively avoiding my push

Strange is town because you're scum
Ah so you have no reasons and are pushed into a forced decision of me and Gamma scum and not a planned thing. Thank you for further spewing redtea town.

I am still reading but that post in the 800s before where Jolyne claimed ascetic from that point on was a dead scum walking because no neg utility claim in their first post. So Jolyne was 100% a bus it’s a matter of who bussed that’s up for debate.
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Post Post #1811 (isolation #39) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:20 am

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In post 1564, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.final

with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.


yeet
Jolyne [3]:
Dwlee99, Gamma Emerald, T3, Jolyne, Not_Mafia
[HAMMER]

AliceK [1]:
redtea

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This is the final VC. For Jolyne not to be bussed you’d have to argue that me, Jolyne, and Matter are all a team together which means that instead of piling on Alice we all just hopped on which is still kind of a bus but a weak as fuck one. There’s absolutely a scum in you and Gamma.
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Post Post #1812 (isolation #40) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:21 am

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In post 1810, Dwlee99 wrote:You're still ignoring so much context around things that happened
I am starting from known facts like Jolyne is scum and Jolyne expected to die and then going from those two obvious points. Starting from emotions and narrative leaves too much room for being manipulated. Facts first emotions second.
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Post Post #1815 (isolation #41) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:25 am

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In post 1813, Dwlee99 wrote:Alice had an innocent claim on her lmao

But I do think scum bussed cause I think you and Gamma are scum
Right, that’s my point. Scum didn’t do anything in the non bus world.

Okay now we’re getting somewhere. Now I have gotten you to admit that Jolyne was an intentional bus.

Knowing that’s scum’s plan the person executing it is the scum.
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Post Post #1818 (isolation #42) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:30 am

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In post 853, Jolyne wrote:Actually fuck it -
I'm informed town ascetic
I didnt claim bc public info -> im informed that scum is informed that a town informed ascetic exists.
Which means they know the IC isn't one.
Now can we stop the ascetic talk, val?
The bus started here
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Post Post #1819 (isolation #43) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:31 am

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In post 874, camelCasedSnivy wrote:Had a thought. What if there was a
Mafia Ascetic Backup Ascetic
?
Do you think that is a possibility?
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Post Post #1820 (isolation #44) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:32 am

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In post 875, Dwlee99 wrote:I wouldn't put it past Datisi
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Post Post #1821 (isolation #45) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:33 am

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In post 895, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 874, camelCasedSnivy wrote:Had a thought. What if there was a
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Do you think that is a possibility?
Wouldn't pass review
You ignored this post
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Post Post #1823 (isolation #46) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:35 am

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In post 927, Jolyne wrote:VOTE: T3
In post 928, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 925, redtea wrote:
In post 900, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 892, Val89 wrote:
In post 810, Dwlee99 wrote:I want to do the LN thing again
Anyone explain what the LN thing is?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720

See the flips
fun fact this town!dwlee game follows t3's scumtell
Omg yea

And t3 didn't even mention it that game and was town which makes me think
VOTE: t3
You 100% know better than to do this. Gamma and you both know ascetic without D1 claim is policy. Especially with the rules in the OP.
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Post Post #1828 (isolation #47) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:40 am

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In post 1827, StrangeMatter wrote:Hang on, can we just assume we're in MELO (6 players, 2 scum left) right?
That’s been my point. And yes we should and we should be in mass claim.
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Post Post #1829 (isolation #48) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:42 am

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In post 1826, Dwlee99 wrote:You're also still missing where Koba said it was a fake claim later
Yes scum just shoot ascetic if it’s on D1 that’s why you always claim it D1 in a subtle way. Negative utility is always done in the first day ideally first few posts. That’s like a mafia 101 thing. If Jolyne is Koba they 100% are experienced and if I was in the game I vote them and never let go.
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Post Post #1831 (isolation #49) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:43 am

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You (2015) and Gamma (2016) know better. That’s a hard and fast rule for a reason. The rescinding which admittedly I haven’t gotten to is irrelevant.
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Post Post #1832 (isolation #50) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:44 am

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In post 1830, Dwlee99 wrote:You make no sense
Lol last refuge of a outed scum. I have to go maintain the ship be back later.
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Post Post #1835 (isolation #51) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:46 am

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In post 1833, Dwlee99 wrote:Not mafia (2014) THE SLOT YOURE IN

Argued against Jolyne being scum
Not Mafia is also a troll.
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Post Post #1837 (isolation #52) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:47 am

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In post 1835, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1833, Dwlee99 wrote:Not mafia (2014) THE SLOT YOURE IN

Argued against Jolyne being scum
Not Mafia is also a troll.
Furthermore that just proves my slot town as we know Jolyne was a bus.
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Post Post #1838 (isolation #53) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:48 am

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In post 1836, Dwlee99 wrote:If I rolled town ascetic here I wouldn't have claimed it day one

So your entire argument makes zero sense

Absolutely none
And I policy elim you later.

And I don’t have to make sense to be right. Correctness isn’t dependent on how well I communicate Reaper.
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Post Post #1842 (isolation #54) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:56 am

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In post 1839, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1563, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Jolyne
In post 1564, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.final

with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.


yeet
Jolyne [3]:
Dwlee99, Gamma Emerald, T3, Jolyne, Not_Mafia
[HAMMER]

AliceK [1]:
redtea

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Literally just explained this.
Either one of you or Gamma are scum confirmed. Otherwise Jolyne me and Matter just elim Jolyne with no reason and no cred.

From there it’s a matter of which. And I think the scum you case is pretty damning.
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Post Post #1843 (isolation #55) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:58 am

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In post 1587, AliceK wrote:
In post 1562, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1557, AliceK wrote:So it is basically Jolyne vs Dwlee. Or both.
Seriously?
How much experience you have? 6 years? Yeah, you could definitely do that kind of busing.
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #56) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:59 am

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In post 1599, AliceK wrote:I actually think that Gamma is a good elim for today. Jolyne s gambit doesn't make sense if both of her partners were in camel/not Mafia/t3
This I get but Matter is a much better elim as Dwlee and Gamma are not likely scum and that hammer EoD is pretty much town clear for NM and therefore me.
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Post Post #1847 (isolation #57) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:02 am

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In post 1845, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1823, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 927, Jolyne wrote:VOTE: T3
In post 928, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 925, redtea wrote:
In post 900, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 892, Val89 wrote:
In post 810, Dwlee99 wrote:I want to do the LN thing again
Anyone explain what the LN thing is?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720

See the flips
fun fact this town!dwlee game follows t3's scumtell
Omg yea

And t3 didn't even mention it that game and was town which makes me think
VOTE: t3
You 100% know better than to do this. Gamma and you both know ascetic without D1 claim is policy. Especially with the rules in the OP.
Who the hell are you
Someone who knows the mafiascum site meta.
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Post Post #1848 (isolation #58) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:04 am

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In post 1844, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1599, AliceK wrote:I actually think that Gamma is a good elim for today. Jolyne s gambit doesn't make sense if both of her partners were in camel/not Mafia/t3
This I get but Matter is a much better elim as Dwlee and Gamma are not likely scum together and that hammer EoD is pretty much town clear for NM and therefore me.
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Post Post #1851 (isolation #59) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:06 am

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In post 1850, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why do you think NM wouldn’t bus
When does Not Mafia do anything besides troll and hammer anyone not him? The fact that Jolyne expected to die means the hammer is pretty much clearing. Lemme go find some recent Not Mafia scum games for comparison.
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #60) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:15 am

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viewtopic.php?p=13055147&user_select%5B ... #p13055147 Not Mafia elimmed D1. He actually tried to do something. This game it’s all trolling.
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Post Post #1853 (isolation #61) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:16 am

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In post 12, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm a miller btw
This while trolling is an example of the neg utility rule. This always should happen if negative utility.
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Post Post #1858 (isolation #62) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:42 am

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In post 1855, AliceK wrote:Well from last few pages I can say for sure Commander and Dwlee are not svs :)
Progress!

So from your PoV scum is in Dwlee, Gamma, Matter, and Myself.

Then me and Dwlee has at least one town in it.

Go on, what do you need next?
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Post Post #1859 (isolation #63) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:43 am

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In post 1857, StrangeMatter wrote:
In post 1751, Commander Shepard wrote:That makes things remarkably easy. StrangeMatter is very likely one of the two scum. Now just to find the other.
Alright, explain please.
Just catch up.
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Post Post #1868 (isolation #64) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:43 am

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In post 1860, redtea wrote:
In post 1739, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1727, redtea wrote:
In post 1712, ChaosOmega wrote:
In post 1702, redtea wrote:
In post 1700, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait redtea are you just a doctor doctor
im town babysitter, which makes the fact town ascetic died n1 hurt all the more
id been trying to figure out whether it'd be better to withold my exact role but i just can't think of a negative that isn't outweighed by a positive atp
In post 1703, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well in that case don’t use that anymore because it can only hurt
This is wrong too, we're at evens, we're not no-yeeting today with the claim. If we lim town we lose regardless, but if we lim scum redtea should claim their target and target someone, they either don't die which gives us info, the target is town and they both die, but we get back down to odds, or mafia targets not redtea for the NK.
okay now I understand
but upon declaring this strategy, if we went through with it then. Scum would probably just avoid nking me no matter who I targeted
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Babysitter

This does not make sense.

Why would reapers avoid shooting nking you when you give two town deaths?
if I declare a target and they don't die with me then that outs them as scum
They’d die with you regardless unless they are BP scum. If you protect someone and you’re shot you and the target die. At this point you’d be better off protecting a scumread if we don’t hit scum today.
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Post Post #1869 (isolation #65) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:45 am

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In post 1863, redtea wrote:
In post 1779, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1776, Commander Shepard wrote:Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare
okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"
gut says anyone sring dwlee at this point is a scumtell
Your gut needs to visit Moradin in sick bay. It’s not the who is scumread it’s the why. Do you understand my argument Dwlee is scum?

It’s very simple. Scum planned to bus Jolyne this is a fact. Therefore the predominant busser is scum.
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Post Post #1871 (isolation #66) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:47 am

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In post 1867, AliceK wrote:
In post 1858, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1855, AliceK wrote:Well from last few pages I can say for sure Commander and Dwlee are not svs :)
Progress!

So from your PoV scum is in Dwlee, Gamma, Matter, and Myself.

Then me and Dwlee has at least one town in it.

Go on, what do you need next?
I am actually too lazy to do more :P Yeah pick a guy both of you and I will decide who to vote out of your picks
My elim choice would be Strange Matter because while I think Dwlee is scum, there is a small possibility I am wrong. Whereas I doubt both Dwlee and Gamma were bussing so Strange Matter is lock scum to me. So I think StrangeMatter is the elim and then tomorrow Dwlee and Gamma duke it out for who bussed.
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Post Post #1872 (isolation #67) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:48 am

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In post 1870, Gamma Emerald wrote:Scum are ascetic so they can’t be taken out via redtea’s role
Right whoops. Facepalm well then redtea should out their target then and hope no scum roleblockers or PRs.
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Post Post #1874 (isolation #68) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:49 am

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In post 1750, Datisi wrote:
vote count 5.02

with 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 5 ends in (expired on 2021-11-18 09:15:00).


yeet
Commander Shepard [1]:
StrangeMatter

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Gamma Emerald, Dwlee99, Commander Shepard, redtea, AliceK


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There should be no reason Strange Matter would be voting if town right now.
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Post Post #1876 (isolation #69) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:50 am

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In post 1873, Gamma Emerald wrote:If we elim town today we just lose
Correct. I am assuming we elim scum or plans are silly. We have two conf town so those two should collaborate and determine the elim so conf town dictates as many elims as possible.
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Post Post #1877 (isolation #70) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:51 am

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The only reason I am not cross voting Strange Matter is that it’s melo not elo.
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Post Post #1879 (isolation #71) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:53 am

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In post 1878, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1875, StrangeMatter wrote:Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.
I kinda feel like it’s you + CS but I also have not done much real work of my own to reach that conclusion so to send that atm doesn’t seem right
This conclusion is impossible as Joylene was an established bus. It would also require my slot and Jolyne to just go “meh” mass give up which doesn’t match a planned bus.
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Post Post #1880 (isolation #72) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:56 am

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In post 845, Jolyne wrote:
In post 839, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Koba feels pedantic.
No i feel annoyed
In post 849, Jolyne wrote:theres something i realized based on what val said and im gonna keep it to myself until d2, i think val realizes it too.
In post 853, Jolyne wrote:Actually fuck it -
I'm informed town ascetic
I didnt claim bc public info -> im informed that scum is informed that a town informed ascetic exists.
Which means they know the IC isn't one.
Now can we stop the ascetic talk, val?
In post 859, Jolyne wrote:ok actually im stupid and claimed in a stupid way i realized my informed info would be proven wrong literally by scum not having that info
brainfart LOL
I realized bc no ascetic claim it prob has to be you val and scum will likely shoot you anyway so i thought to draw the shot
This screams “I am not living long”. Scum do not post this and expect to endgame.
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Post Post #1882 (isolation #73) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:59 am

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In post 1881, StrangeMatter wrote:
In post 1874, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1750, Datisi wrote:
vote count 5.02

with 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 5 ends in (expired on 2021-11-18 09:15:00).


yeet
Commander Shepard [1]:
StrangeMatter

not voting [5]:
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There should be no reason Strange Matter would be voting if town right now.
Well here's the thing. I'm confident you and Gamma are the last two scum. Even if neither of you is scum, scum can't QH at this point with two members, leaving the game at 3 votes, and you at E-1. So, I don't see why it's particularly a bad thing to have one single vote right now.
Because you’re trying to exert your will over the conf towns and create a 1v1. If the conf towns want us to 1v1 then they will but those two determine the elim. By voting here it’s an attempt to take control from the conf towns and it is scummy as hell.

There’s a reason why there’s fake voting in elo and it works. It’s because everyone agrees to it instead of trying to assert their will and we go one at a time.
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Post Post #1885 (isolation #74) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:05 am

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Fake voting is done in a simple manner when no conf town involved
You just use hurt or heal tags to signify who you would be voting while stating it’s not a vote.

Then when someone is fake hammered they have 24 hours to drop a real vote or it’s a scum claim.

With a conf town involved still fake vote as usual but if you want to fake hammer a wagon but conf town doesn’t act.
If you would hammer either wagon then scum is on one of them.

It’s a last chance to push and pull and get reads.
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Post Post #1886 (isolation #75) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:07 am

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HURT: StrangeMatter this is a fake vote example but if real voting I would go here
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Post Post #1888 (isolation #76) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:10 am

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In post 1887, StrangeMatter wrote:
In post 1885, Commander Shepard wrote:Fake voting is done in a simple manner when no conf town involved
You just use hurt or heal tags to signify who you would be voting while stating it’s not a vote.

Then when someone is fake hammered they have 24 hours to drop a real vote or it’s a scum claim.

With a conf town involved still fake vote as usual but if you want to fake hammer a wagon but conf town doesn’t act.
If you would hammer either wagon then scum is on one of them.

It’s a last chance to push and pull and get reads.
Okay, do you think I would use this chance to get reads when I've stated that I think the game's ALREADY been solved?
Yes because if you’re town (which I doubt) the game isn’t all about you. If you’re right then you’d fake vote me.

However considering Gamma, Dwlee, and you all scumread me and we know two scum in Dwlee, you, Gamma, and me, that at least one scum scumreads me.

Which is pretty much GG your reads suck if you’re town.
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Post Post #1890 (isolation #77) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:15 am

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In post 1889, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1878, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1875, StrangeMatter wrote:Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.
I kinda feel like it’s you + CS but I also have not done much real work of my own to reach that conclusion so to send that atm doesn’t seem right
have you been reading lol
If it was anyone but Gamma it’s almost a scum claim of him + Strange Matter.
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Post Post #1892 (isolation #78) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:18 am

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In post 1891, Dwlee99 wrote:Why anyone but gamma? Are you familiar with her?
I am familiar with Gamma yes. I probably shouldn’t have said that but I am an alt and that’s all I wish to say so I will quit eluding to meta.
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Post Post #1894 (isolation #79) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:23 am

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In post 1893, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why is that not a scum claim for me in particular?
Because one side of you is aware of things the other may not perceive. It’s possible both sides are aware and it’s a low effort scum post but for you specifically it may be one doesn’t know what the other does.
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Post Post #1896 (isolation #80) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:50 am

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In post 1895, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Ah
. the interior situation is a bit more intricate than just a duality but I at least appreciate the sentiment.
Would be interested in seeing what a try hard Gamma’s reads are.
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Post Post #1897 (isolation #81) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:50 am

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And noted about it not being a duality.
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Post Post #1899 (isolation #82) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:10 pm

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In post 1898, StrangeMatter wrote:Alright, I'm back and a lot less angry after hearing a player say I'm lockscum (and if you're town, you're literally throwing) along with a play I've never heard before as a result.
Pretty sure I am not and scumreading you is not throwing. Now if you were an IC I would agree that’s throwing. If I was throwing you’d be able to articulate why. The fact of the matter is it’s demonstrated I am town based on the too many scumreads argument above.

The only way an elim is on scum is if both Alice and redtea plus two more townies are on it. Ergo there is a scum in Dwlee, Gamma, and you. Now you can argue planned bus but I don’t think you’ll get very far as it seems you “had the game solved” before my replace in and that did not include Gamma bussing me. So good luck arguing yourself out of your self made problem.
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Post Post #1904 (isolation #83) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:40 am

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In post 1901, AliceK wrote:I'm going for Gamma/Dwlee. I hope a pog play from scums happened in this game.
VOTE: Gamma
I find it interesting that despite both Dwlee and StrangeMatter scumreading Gamma neither of them voted or fake voted Gamma.

To both of you why?
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Post Post #1907 (isolation #84) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:05 am

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In post 1906, AliceK wrote:Vote Gamma, let's speedrun this.
I think your speed run theory is proven wrong or StrangeMatter’s reads are atrocious.

Although StrangeMatter scum here I could see holding out trying for a me elim to win and not giving info in Dwlee/Gamma.

I get you want to speed run but I think it’s important to see what Dwlee does to your suggestion it’s them and Gamma. Depending upon what they do I may join the Gamma wagon.
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Post Post #1909 (isolation #85) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:26 am

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In post 1908, StrangeMatter wrote:Do you always have to insult people’s reads, or do you legitimately only do that to anger them? Because multiple times to two different people you’ve called reads as atrocious.
It’s not an insult it’s a matter of logic.

If I am town you I want scum elimmed.

If scum are Dwlee/Gamma then you are town and are necessary for the wagon. You do not wish to elim Gamma. Between that and your scumread of me, the other town in that proposed answer means that either you are scum or your reads are atrocious. It’s logic.
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Post Post #1910 (isolation #86) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:27 am

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Ergo I want to see what Dwlee does. Based on their reaction I can see if one of two things are true.
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Post Post #1912 (isolation #87) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:32 am

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In post 1905, StrangeMatter wrote:Because right now, I'm more suspicious of your slot than him.
Clearly you’re not. Otherwise you’d be voting Gamma.
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Post Post #1919 (isolation #88) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:51 am

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In post 1916, Dwlee99 wrote:I think Commander is scum here. Ergo gamma is too cause strange/commander aren't aligned

VOTE: Gamma
You’d be wrong. I was testing if my read on you is wrong.

VOTE: Gamma

It’s Gamma and Strange Matter.
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Post Post #1920 (isolation #89) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:51 am

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In post 1915, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1904, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1901, AliceK wrote:I'm going for Gamma/Dwlee. I hope a pog play from scums happened in this game.
VOTE: Gamma
I find it interesting that despite both Dwlee and StrangeMatter scumreading Gamma neither of them voted or fake voted Gamma.

To both of you why?
I don't fake vote and you just scumread Strangematter for voting quick voting in MELO. Which is it?
I scumread Strange for trying to dictate over conf town.

Conf town always decides things.
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Post Post #1921 (isolation #90) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:53 am

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In post 1913, StrangeMatter wrote:So you want me to sheep the confirmed Town then? I've never been against the Gamma elimination, stop putting words into my mouth.
Yes. For not being against it you sure are now when it counts. The only way to get a scum elim is to sheep conf town. Both Alice and Redtea have to be on the elim for it to hit scum.
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Post Post #1922 (isolation #91) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:54 am

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In post 1918, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1878, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1875, StrangeMatter wrote:Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.
I kinda feel like it’s you + CS but I also have not done much real work of my own to reach that conclusion so to send that atm doesn’t seem right
I think this is just TMIng me town because it makes literally no sense from a town!gamma perspective
I’d be down for that.
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Post Post #1928 (isolation #92) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:06 am

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In post 1924, StrangeMatter wrote:
Intent to Hammer
VOTE: Unvote

There has to be scum of Matter has intent
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Post Post #1929 (isolation #93) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:09 am

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In post 1926, Dwlee99 wrote:Fmpov gamma is confirmed scum now so just hammer it if you townread me
This is very suspicious:

Three of us cannot be on the same elim unless scum are bussing despite no incentive to do so.
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Post Post #1934 (isolation #94) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:21 am

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In post 1931, Dwlee99 wrote:This is why I think you're scum with gamma. Gamma is confirmed scum fmpov unless redtea did big brain no kill whatever which I just don't think happens + redtea was defending me against your BS pushes

It feels like you voting Gamma and then unvoting is a ploy to turn the wagon onto me
Not seeing how you’re getting this at all.

We can be relatively certain Alice/redtea are town.

This means any successful wagon can only have two other people in you me Strange Matter and Gamma.

If the Gamma wagon went through with Alice you me and Strange Matter it confirms Gamma town and we lose and a scum in you and Strange
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Post Post #1935 (isolation #95) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:22 am

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Strange not immediately hammering for the win means something is very wrong here.
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Post Post #1936 (isolation #96) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:23 am

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The thing is I know that one of the two of you have to be bussing now if Gamma is scum. It’s really odd.
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Post Post #1940 (isolation #97) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:27 am

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In post 1938, Dwlee99 wrote:If people buy this shit and lim me over Gamma I stg
I am not “selling” anything and there is nothing to buy.

Fmpov there is a scum on the Gamma wagon you and Strange Matter cannot both be town because then the wagon doesn’t go through.

This means that you either accepted the gamma loss and voted early
Or Matter voted with intent despite never having the intent to do so knowing the proper action is to freak out.
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Post Post #1941 (isolation #98) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:29 am

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In post 1939, Dwlee99 wrote:From my perspective: Gamma is confirmed scum
From a town!you perspective: Gamma is confirmed scum
From everyone else's perspective: Gamma is town only if Me/You is the team

The extremely incorrect perception of the gamestate is how I know you're scum here
And this section is incorrect.

The correct interpretation is WTF:

Only two people in me you Strange and Gamma can be on an elim and have it hit scum.

Me you and Matter is three people that means scum wanted Gamma dead.
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Post Post #1943 (isolation #99) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:29 am

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The only difference is why scum want Gamma dead are they going for the win or is it a bus?
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Post Post #1945 (isolation #100) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:30 am

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In post 1942, Dwlee99 wrote:What does scum!strange lose from hammering scum!gamma there

Literally nothing

With me and you voting Gamma, the lack of a quickhammer confirms gamma scum because no one thinks we are aligned

Your view point of the game makes no sense, you're just scum
That’s not how that works lol.
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Post Post #1948 (isolation #101) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:31 am

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What this confirms is the team is not you + Strange Matter else strange matter wins.
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Post Post #1949 (isolation #102) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:32 am

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So then the possible teams are
You + Gamma
Strange Matter + Gamma

Oh wait there’s no other teams left
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Post Post #1951 (isolation #103) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:33 am

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So then either strange matter slow played this or Gamma is scum.

Then it’s a matter of who with and why each of you played this like you did.
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Post Post #1952 (isolation #104) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:34 am

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Meh I can figure that out overnight

VOTE: Gamma
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #105) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:35 am

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I gotta go anyways. The council has sent me a bullshit quest.
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #106) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:13 am

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It is not me. However we should do the fake voting.

Council has been up my butt but I will find which of Dwlee/Strange are scum.
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Post Post #1965 (isolation #107) » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:55 pm

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In post 1221, camelCasedSnivy wrote:Took you long enough
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy
Can someone who knows camel explain this please?
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #108) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:38 am

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Dwlee how do you feel about your vote history matching up with Gamma’s a lot and Alice suggesting it’s you + Gamma?
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Post Post #1973 (isolation #109) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 7:07 am

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In post 1972, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1969, Commander Shepard wrote:Dwlee how do you feel about your vote history matching up with Gamma’s a lot and Alice suggesting it’s you + Gamma?
I also think this once again betrays commander's goal to have me mislimmed

Since they replaced in it seems like that was their gameplan because they knew I wasn't going to vote for strangematter so their only plan is to have strangematter vote for me

And then Alice dies and we have this post which I think once again betrays they have an agenda not a solve
I don’t have an agenda. I find it weird that you reacted to a question about yourself though and not about camel which is the same slot as Strange Matter. I am pretty sure Redtea is town and scum is in you or StrangeMatter and it’s a matter of which so I am asking questions of what I find scummy about both of you.

I am mostly using this as practice to get my melo game better as I am pretty sure I will be fake hammered and then have to decide which of you is the scum and have to place a real vote first. You repeatedly saying it’s me doesn’t scare me as I am not scum and know the situation has been manipulated to make me look bad. It’s a matter of who is actually the scum and casing them so we have a chance at not losing.
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Post Post #1979 (isolation #110) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:13 am

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In post 1977, redtea wrote:
In post 1878, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1875, StrangeMatter wrote:Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.
I kinda feel like it’s you + CS but I also have not done much real work of my own to reach that conclusion so to send that atm doesn’t seem right
This post alone clears dwlee tbh
Answering this and Strange Matter’s questions here:

I don’t think it does unless the scum bus was not planned before that point.
In other words it clears Dwlee if you believe it’s not Gamma falling intentionally on his sword. So it’s circular.

For Strange Matter, I was pretty certain you were scum but the ending got me paranoid.

I know that scum bussed but it’s a matter of figuring out when they decided to bus.
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Post Post #1982 (isolation #111) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:19 am

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In post 1976, StrangeMatter wrote:
In post 1973, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1972, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1969, Commander Shepard wrote:Dwlee how do you feel about your vote history matching up with Gamma’s a lot and Alice suggesting it’s you + Gamma?
I also think this once again betrays commander's goal to have me mislimmed

Since they replaced in it seems like that was their gameplan because they knew I wasn't going to vote for strangematter so their only plan is to have strangematter vote for me

And then Alice dies and we have this post which I think once again betrays they have an agenda not a solve
I don’t have an agenda. I find it weird that you reacted to a question about yourself though and not about camel which is the same slot as Strange Matter. I am pretty sure Redtea is town and scum is in you or StrangeMatter and it’s a matter of which so I am asking questions of what I find scummy about both of you.

I am mostly using this as practice to get my melo game better as I am pretty sure I will be fake hammered and then have to decide which of you is the scum and have to place a real vote first.
You repeatedly saying it’s me doesn’t scare me as I am not scum and know the situation has been manipulated to make me look bad.
It’s a matter of who is actually the scum and casing them so we have a chance at not losing.
Ironically I feel like this post feels kind of manipulative in a way. Also, I just realized in a way it seems like you're trying to prey on my paranoia of Dwlee being scum here.
This is incorrect. I am addressing what Dwlee is doing.

If they are town then they are increasingly tunnelled to the point they are hurting their own cause. Even if they were right (which they aren’t), a scum player doesn’t say they are scum. So it’s either bravado to push a reaction or bravado to try to demonstrate a sureity. None of the attitude helps to sell that I am scum only that if you’re town you’re tunnel visioned and wrong.

If they are scum it’s a good way to vote park. Their “Gamma is lock scum” argument still makes no sense and I know there’s a scum bussing there. It’s a strategy that I have used commonly when I was under Reaper control. Say the wrong thing enough and someone believes you.

That’s why I want to do the fake voting. I know it’s probably just going to end up with me fake hammered but it gives me one more tool to determine which of Dwlee and Strange Matter are scum.
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Post Post #1983 (isolation #112) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:21 am

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In post 1980, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1890, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1889, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1878, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1875, StrangeMatter wrote:Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.
I kinda feel like it’s you + CS but I also have not done much real work of my own to reach that conclusion so to send that atm doesn’t seem right
have you been reading lol
If it was anyone but Gamma it’s almost a scum claim of him + Strange Matter.
what happened to this
At that point it was established that Gamma and his selves were not reading the game. If it was a neurotypical person then it would be a scum claim because of certain things. I have known Gamma a while and tend to read him differently and read alters differently.
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Post Post #1985 (isolation #113) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:24 am

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In post 1981, Dwlee99 wrote:Like you can keep saying you don't have an agenda but when you go from "this is basically a scum claim of him and strange matter (except not because I don't want to lim gamma today)" to "actually gamma could have been falling on his sword for dwlee here" uhh it gives off a different impression
I don’t care about the impression I am giving off I care about finding who the scum is. Pure and simple. A majority of my posting has been rapid fire what I saw I word vomited. I am taking a step back and reanalyzing things.
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Post Post #1987 (isolation #114) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:25 am

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In post 1984, Dwlee99 wrote:Complaining about me tunneling is like complaining that rain falls

If you want me to think you're town go and case strange or argue the setup is balanced without redtea's role

But you always go back to me instead no matter how many contradictions you have to make to make it fit
I will case both you and Strange Matter after work. As I have said no one has countered Redtea’s claim so redtea scum does not make sense here.
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Post Post #1988 (isolation #115) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:27 am

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In post 1986, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1985, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1981, Dwlee99 wrote:Like you can keep saying you don't have an agenda but when you go from "this is basically a scum claim of him and strange matter (except not because I don't want to lim gamma today)" to "actually gamma could have been falling on his sword for dwlee here" uhh it gives off a different impression
I don’t care about the impression I am giving off I care about finding who the scum is. Pure and simple. A majority of my posting has been rapid fire what I saw I word vomited. I am taking a step back and reanalyzing things.
I don't believe you
And the game isn’t about you believing me, especially if you’re scum. It’s about elimming scum. And to do that I must find them first.
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Post Post #1990 (isolation #116) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:34 am

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In post 1989, Dwlee99 wrote:If you're town you need to convince me of that but all of your posts are seething with an agenda to eliminate me so how are you expecting me to react?
1) I don’t have an agenda to eliminate anyone as I haven’t solved the game.
2) If I am town no I don’t. If you’re town I have to convince you Strange Matter is the last scum as in that case he’d have to be. If you’re scum there’s no way I convince you and it’s a false front designed for an emotional response.

3) If you’re town I would be expecting you to cooperate and work together towards either elimming me or getting people to talk about me (especially redtea) to see where they stand and start gathering fake votes on me. Instead it’s more about emotional ploys.
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Post Post #1991 (isolation #117) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:34 am

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You’d be wrong in elimming me but the game is about elimming scum not about yelling loudly.
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Post Post #1992 (isolation #118) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:36 am

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In post 1977, redtea wrote:
In post 1878, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1875, StrangeMatter wrote:Here's a question, who do you suspect right now @Gamma Emerald

I have something I want to say.
I kinda feel like it’s you + CS but I also have not done much real work of my own to reach that conclusion so to send that atm doesn’t seem right
This post alone clears dwlee tbh
The dilemma with this post is pretty big.

If Strange Matter is scum he intentionally asked this to his buddy.
If Strange Matter is not scum then Dwlee is and this post is a frame up.

It’s more a matter of trying to get into scum psyche at this point.
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Post Post #1993 (isolation #119) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:37 am

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And the more emotional capital I spend defending myself is useless capital and less spoons I have to dive in.
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Post Post #1995 (isolation #120) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:41 am

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In post 1994, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1990, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 1989, Dwlee99 wrote:If you're town you need to convince me of that but all of your posts are seething with an agenda to eliminate me so how are you expecting me to react?
1) I don’t have an agenda to eliminate anyone as I haven’t solved the game.
2) If I am town no I don’t. If you’re town I have to convince you Strange Matter is the last scum as in that case he’d have to be. If you’re scum there’s no way I convince you and it’s a false front designed for an emotional response.

3) If you’re town I would be expecting you to cooperate and work together towards either elimming me or getting people to talk about me (especially redtea) to see where they stand and start gathering fake votes on me. Instead it’s more about emotional ploys.
1) is just asking me to take your word when I've demonstrated how you DO have an agenda for eliminating me and have angled for it since your replace-in
2) Convincing me strange is scum is the same as convincing me you're town. You're saying nothing with this
3) I'm giving people space to act because I think it's how they slip up, which is exactly what I think you did reacting to redtea's post like that. If I had responded to redtea in advance talking about you, you would have known the "correct" way to react, but giving you space caused you to completely contradict earlier statements you made about gamma/me as a possible team
1) You have labeled me attempting to sort you an agenda. You haven’t demonstrated anything.
2) If you’re town it is. I am not sold on you town. Only you annoying.
3) There isn’t ever a correct way to respond to almost any post, there’s how you’d respond. People are contradictory all the time as reads evolve. Too much consistency can very much be a scum tell.
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Post Post #1996 (isolation #121) » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:42 am

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Also sorry to misgender you Strange Matter.
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Post Post #1998 (isolation #122) » Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:49 pm

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In post 1997, Dwlee99 wrote:I thought I typed something up last night hm

1) Most of your posts have a clear pivoting towards me idea within them. It's a telegraphed way to justify later wanting to vote me
2) :neutral:
3) There are ways I expect town to react and ways I expect scum to react. I expect townies to have read changes and not be 100% consistent because otherwise they would literally never change their opinion. But to me with (and the other times you said gamma and I can't be aligned) show you're approaching this from an angle of trying to eliminate me instead of evaluate because if you're town I expect you to talk about why your opinion changed instead of immediately shading me without acknowledgement of your earlier posts about it
1) I am not pivoting towards or away from anyone.
3) This is correct. My opinions shift overtime. I did have one opinion at that time. Elo however is always an eternal reset button because no matter what we have to get it right. Alice's read was different from mine so I'm trying to do her read due dilligence because sometimes I'm kind of an idiot. Sunday I intend on making a big wall post and then fake voting if no one has because we really need to get this ball rolling and get some kind of discussion started.
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Post Post #2004 (isolation #123) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:36 am

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Known Alignments
  • Town -> toxictaipan, val89, norway, marcistar, darby,t3,aliceK
  • Scum -> Jolyne, Gamma
Assumptions
  • Redtea is town based on the claim and Alice not dying.
  • Scum are in between Dwlee99 and StrangeMatter (fmpov this is a fact, but I'm putting this under assumptions to be clear of the starting premises.)
Day 1 events

Day 1 Facts
  • Day 1 lasted until 1197.
  • Post 405 Val89 confirmed as town
  • Day 1 flipped toxictaipan as VT. The only locked scum on it is Gamma. The only other possible scum on the wagon is Dwlee. Jolyne and StrangeMatter's slot (and mine if you want to consider me which is well not possible from my pov) were off the wagon.
Joylene scumreads/votes
  • Jolyne voted Darby, Alice,val, unvote, Alice, post 853 -> Claimed informed ascetic scum. Already noted as to why this was important.
  • Jolyne scumread Norway, t3,
  • 422 shades conf town bad.
  • Suggests and pushes toxic despite never voting for them.
  • Hard pushes Alice
  • Post 853 votes are T3. Tinfoils Gamma as partner to Alice. 1103, doesn't "buy this shit" from Gamma.
Joylene townreads
  • Joylne -> marci, darby, t3, complains about Darby and val wagon despite never talking about val, dwlee town, norway, alice, gamma
  • Post 853 -> redtea, marci.
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  • Votes: t3, val, t3, toxic, t3, toxic (not a typo that pattern is duplicated)
  • Gamma defends Dwlee T3 meta argument scum by exploitable? How? It's either true or it's not. Look at T3 meta tell later. See if accurate. -> Hints towards Dwlee
  • Gamma POE 671 -> Rule of 3 hints towards Strange Matter
Need to pause here because of stupid council but based on Jolyne intentionally fake claiming something bad without pressure, scum likely had a plan to bus. It's highly unlikely that this was done with a buddy being inactive (based on VCs), so day one initial thoughts are pointing towards Dwlee.

I need to ISO Dwlee and CamelCase D1 and check out T3's meta suggestion to see if it's true.

THIS IS A FAKE VOTE : DWLEE


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Post Post #2008 (isolation #124) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:04 pm

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Rule of three is when scum make a list containing three or more players at least one is likely to be scum. For a readwall this applies to the bottom three. It’s not 100% that’s why it’s an indicator not absolute.
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #125) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:07 pm

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In post 487, Dwlee99 wrote:I see lots of words I say "okay wall town ???"
Dwlee town knows better than this. I am scared
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Post Post #2010 (isolation #126) » Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:18 pm

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In post 640, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Toxic
VOTE: T3
VOTE: toxic
VOTE: T3
Me defeating t3's meta
I think T3 caught scum for the wrong reasoning is what the reaction feels like.
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Post Post #2020 (isolation #127) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:04 am

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In post 2019, Dwlee99 wrote:You're pretty much confirmed by role claim, it's between me/strange/commander. I think it's commander. I think strange does as well. Commander is intermittently going through the game and deciding if they want to vote me or strange but has been pivoting towards me
I agree with everything except the pivoting towards. It’s framing things as if I have an agenda, which I don’t. It’s actually much easier to make a case against Strange Matter but I am more concerned with what is right.
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Post Post #2021 (isolation #128) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:10 am

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Pretty much imho today is the end game because a smart scum shoots you and you die along with any protect you do so you protect no one and it’s a repeat today. I would rather elim who you decide Osaka and call that game.
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Post Post #2027 (isolation #129) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:29 pm

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In post 2022, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2020, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 2019, Dwlee99 wrote:You're pretty much confirmed by role claim, it's between me/strange/commander. I think it's commander. I think strange does as well. Commander is intermittently going through the game and deciding if they want to vote me or strange but has been pivoting towards me
I agree with everything except the pivoting towards. It’s framing things as if I have an agenda, which I don’t. It’s actually much easier to make a case against Strange Matter but I am more concerned with what is right.
But you!scum is forced to scumread me because you know I'm honed into you for your play on wrt slot yesterday
I am not scum, but even if I was I would not be forced to scumread you. My play yesterday was about working down a PoE. As I said I know scum was on that elim so I played that properly. The more you say you’re honed in for good play it’s just spam. It’s quite frankly wrong unless you are scum and are incapable of seeing it from my point of view.
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Post Post #2028 (isolation #130) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:30 pm

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In post 2024, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1863, redtea wrote:
In post 1779, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1776, Commander Shepard wrote:Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare
okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"
gut says anyone sring dwlee at this point is a scumtell
And I think redtea said it well ^^^
This is selective and I know factually incorrect. Alice was thinking you and Gamma and the fact she was the conf Town who died bares a lot of weight.
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Post Post #2029 (isolation #131) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:31 pm

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In post 2026, StrangeMatter wrote:
In post 2020, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 2019, Dwlee99 wrote:You're pretty much confirmed by role claim, it's between me/strange/commander. I think it's commander. I think strange does as well. Commander is intermittently going through the game and deciding if they want to vote me or strange but has been pivoting towards me
I agree with everything except the pivoting towards. It’s framing things as if I have an agenda, which I don’t. It’s actually much easier to make a case against Strange Matter but I am more concerned with what is right.
What even is your case on me right now?
There’s the scum pointers of you being a replace in so late in the game and not enough backwards hunting. You being on the tailend of Gamma is sus. Voting when it’s conf town decision is sus.

However just because I can make an argument you are scum doesn’t make it right. I want to elim the right person.
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Post Post #2030 (isolation #132) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:32 pm

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I would rather not make a whole big argument until I have broken up the other days.
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #133) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:37 pm

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viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76441

I am clearly capable of convincing town of almost anything when I am mafia. They let me live that game longer than they should with a ridiculous claim. I know what I am capable when I attempt to manipulate people. So I am intentionally reserved for that reason, because once I make a decision I have to stick with it.
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Post Post #2035 (isolation #134) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:48 pm

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In post 2032, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2031, Commander Shepard wrote:viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76441

I am clearly capable of convincing town of almost anything when I am mafia. They let me live that game longer than they should with a ridiculous claim. I know what I am capable when I attempt to manipulate people. So I am intentionally reserved for that reason,
because once I make a decision I have to stick with it
Perspective

I'm gonna give you space to do your ~analysis~ though

Good luck

Actually, there were things directed towards me and I feel the need to respond
No perspective slip. This to me is essentially elo with Osaka deciding it. If we no elim Osaka clearly dies and protecting someone would be throwing. If I waffle between the two of you after voting then we surely lose as both you and Matter think it’s me. Therefore I must decide,be right, and be convincing.
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Post Post #2036 (isolation #135) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:50 pm

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In post 2034, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2028, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 2024, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1863, redtea wrote:
In post 1779, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1776, Commander Shepard wrote:Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare
okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum here

Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"
gut says anyone sring dwlee at this point is a scumtell
And I think redtea said it well ^^^
This is selective and I know factually incorrect. Alice was thinking you and Gamma and the fact she was the conf Town who died bares a lot of weight.
I feel like you killed Alice specifically to come into today saying that
How would I know you’d highlight redtea so I highlight that? You’re stretching Mixter. I get you think/are pushing I am scum but this is just confbias and not useful and gives more to Osaka who says they can’t/aren’t reading. What are you doing to bring them up to speed?
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Post Post #2037 (isolation #136) » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:51 pm

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In post 2004, Commander Shepard wrote:
Known Alignments
  • Town -> toxictaipan, val89, norway, marcistar, darby,t3,aliceK
  • Scum -> Jolyne, Gamma
Assumptions
  • Redtea is town based on the claim and Alice not dying.
  • Scum are in between Dwlee99 and StrangeMatter (fmpov this is a fact, but I'm putting this under assumptions to be clear of the starting premises.)
Day 1 events

Day 1 Facts
  • Day 1 lasted until 1197.
  • Post 405 Val89 confirmed as town
  • Day 1 flipped toxictaipan as VT. The only locked scum on it is Gamma. The only other possible scum on the wagon is Dwlee. Jolyne and StrangeMatter's slot (and mine if you want to consider me which is well not possible from my pov) were off the wagon.
Joylene scumreads/votes
  • Jolyne voted Darby, Alice,val, unvote, Alice, post 853 -> Claimed informed ascetic scum. Already noted as to why this was important.
  • Jolyne scumread Norway, t3,
  • 422 shades conf town bad.
  • Suggests and pushes toxic despite never voting for them.
  • Hard pushes Alice
  • Post 853 votes are T3. Tinfoils Gamma as partner to Alice. 1103, doesn't "buy this shit" from Gamma.
Joylene townreads
  • Joylne -> marci, darby, t3, complains about Darby and val wagon despite never talking about val, dwlee town, norway, alice, gamma
  • Post 853 -> redtea, marci.
Gamma notes
  • Votes: t3, val, t3, toxic, t3, toxic (not a typo that pattern is duplicated)
  • Gamma defends Dwlee T3 meta argument scum by exploitable? How? It's either true or it's not. Look at T3 meta tell later. See if accurate. -> Hints towards Dwlee
  • Gamma POE 671 -> Rule of 3 hints towards Strange Matter
Need to pause here because of stupid council but based on Jolyne intentionally fake claiming something bad without pressure, scum likely had a plan to bus. It's highly unlikely that this was done with a buddy being inactive (based on VCs), so day one initial thoughts are pointing towards Dwlee.

I need to ISO Dwlee and CamelCase D1 and check out T3's meta suggestion to see if it's true.

THIS IS A FAKE VOTE : DWLEE


Then because of the limited size, will probably combine the other days.
@osaka this has a summary much as I have been able to of day one. Been crazy busy. People object to some conclusions but post numbers are there for yourself.
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Post Post #2042 (isolation #137) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:06 pm

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@StrangeMatter -> Those things are obviously bad. Not sure what you’re asking.

So couple of things
1) No one here scumreads you and based on the babysitter claim you are confirmed town.
2) Scum will 100% shoot you overnight because of point A.
3) This means we have a 2/3rds chance of losing if we no elim.

Instead I think the better option is to either go with who you say to elim or you give reads and you protect no one going into the night.

Admittedly this means I have to dig myself out of the hole scum have put me in and whichever one of Dwlee/StrangeMatter is scum well done but you should not be protecting anyone tonight.
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Post Post #2043 (isolation #138) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:08 pm

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3)* if we no elim and you protect someone.

It’s much more important to sort people than try to gain a day. There’s four people left and we have to buckle down and decide the elim.
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Post Post #2044 (isolation #139) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:10 pm

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If we elim and assume that we elim town, that should also be considered an auto loss because then a Townie dies and GG.

I agree that we need to elim today but it’s a foolish thing to think you’re more than an IC at this point Osaka.
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Post Post #2045 (isolation #140) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:11 pm

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If you’re dead set on not elimming as the traditional four rules say please don’t protect anyone. I would rather you just argue for who you think scum is than a hero babysit.
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Post Post #2053 (isolation #141) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:13 pm

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In post 2047, osuka wrote:
In post 2043, Commander Shepard wrote:3)* if we no elim and you protect someone.

It’s much more important to sort people than try to gain a day. There’s four people left and we have to buckle down and decide the elim.
my point is we're likely to gain a day regardless of what happens if we exec today
I don’t see a way where we gain a day.

I don’t understand your post.

If we elim scum >> we win no extra day
If we elim town >> 1 scum 2 town alive into night >> scum shoot you we lose

I don’t see any extra day here unless we no elim
Which means we should elim
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Post Post #2054 (isolation #142) » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:15 pm

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There is only four people alive

It’s MELO with no point of no elimming
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Post Post #2056 (isolation #143) » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:54 am

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In post 2025, Datisi wrote:
vote count 6.02

with 4 votes in play, it takes 3 to make a decision. day 6 ends in (expired on 2021-11-26 21:00:00).


yeet
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Dwlee99, Commander Shepard, osuka, StrangeMatter


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We all know the proper thing here is to elim then why am I the only one fake voting here?

Tomorrow is Turkey day and Black Friday both days really hard to get online.

Will likely make a decision in a few hours but we really need to act if we are elimming today and if not for the love of all that’s good please don’t protect anyone Osaka and please leave reads.
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Post Post #2064 (isolation #144) » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:44 am

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I know I should decide but the fact is I just can’t. Like I have to do Thanksgiving errands later and each time I type VOTE: Someone I think about “what if X?” And then backspace it all out.
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Post Post #2065 (isolation #145) » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:45 am

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VOTE: Unvote to not confuse Datisi.
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Post Post #2073 (isolation #146) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:58 am

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VOTE: Dwlee

Busy with thanksgiving stuff still.

This is my last gasp guess.

No time for a case.
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #147) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:12 am

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In post 2074, Dwlee99 wrote:If you're town here it's probably my fault for tunneling
I don’t think you’re town. It’s a smart scum plan. But if you are scum as I believe yes scum would win primarily because of you.
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Post Post #2080 (isolation #148) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:45 am

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In post 2077, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2075, Commander Shepard wrote:
In post 2074, Dwlee99 wrote:If you're town here it's probably my fault for tunneling
I don’t think you’re town. It’s a smart scum plan. But if you are scum as I believe yes scum would win primarily because of you.
I don't even know what this means
In other words I agree whatever your alignment it’s probably your fault
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #149) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:31 pm

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In post 2088, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Commander
Still think this is right
More like I did first

VOTE: Dwlee

Alice was right sorry writing this at god awful hour been busy AF
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Post Post #2094 (isolation #150) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:32 pm

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In post 1901, AliceK wrote:I'm going for Gamma/Dwlee. I hope a pog play from scums happened in this game.
VOTE: Gamma
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Post Post #2095 (isolation #151) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:33 pm

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In post 1545, DArby wrote:If Jo flips red I don’t think T3 would be the scum partner. Unless they’re really trying to play gambit on gambit.

I could see Jo/Dw but I have nothing to back it up.
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Post Post #2096 (isolation #152) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:35 pm

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In post 1302, AliceK wrote:
In post 1301, AliceK wrote:I can vote anyone from Gamma Emerald/Dwlee99/Not_Mafia today.
Gamma and Dwlee are scums for sure. But I am not convinced by Not_Mafia. Could be T3 instead.
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #153) » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:01 am

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In post 2118, Dwlee99 wrote:Kinda wish I knew what was obvious about it being me

I know this is "caught for the wrong reasons" but I feel like a lot of the reasons given just aren't AI
You were obvious to me.
I wavered at points because too obvious and I have been working on not tunneling and my ability to persuade is sometimes lacking.

Well played Dwlee.
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Post Post #2120 (isolation #154) » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:01 am

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Sorry I was hella busy town.
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Post Post #2121 (isolation #155) » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:02 am

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Also I want brownie points that was so a planned bus and I called it
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Post Post #2125 (isolation #156) » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:08 am

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And since I was outed in the PT I am MathBlade grrr dead PT.

There’s a reason I sounded like him. I am MathBlade lol.
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Post Post #2127 (isolation #157) » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:08 am

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In post 2124, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2121, Commander Shepard wrote:Also I want brownie points that was so a planned bus and I called it
Not actually. I just started pushing koba and then went "should I fake claim a guilty" and got a "lol do it" p much
Still planned bus. :)
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Post Post #2129 (isolation #158) » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:09 am

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In post 2126, Dwlee99 wrote:I knew it was you lol
Yeah but still alt outing is bad :(
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Post Post #2139 (isolation #159) » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:21 am

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Hey I am just taking the W my initial Dwlee read was good and wasn’t garbage fire
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Post Post #2153 (isolation #160) » Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:44 pm

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Nah I wish I had more time to do a better defense

I almost never am miselimmed and it might be my first in elo in a decade +

This is not on you dude
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