Micro 1033: XD [Game Over]

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I thought I was replacing into a Scum slot. I wasn't.

nah that's way too underground for me
never heard of a nirvana

Is this underground enough for you?



The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

Based on how the game is going so far, I think we just Lim Scummy people. I have like 3 jester reads at this point: Cakes, Image, Mystik.

I had Mystic and Wisdom as Jester reads but then ISO'd to make sure and I reevaluated.

TRs on Wisdom, Meg, and Bingle, but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around. This could just be a bad take though, IDK.

Wisdom's 27 is not really fakable, so I'm willing to call this lack of TMI. I don't think this is the sort of thing Scum will fake. Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game.

I like 68 from Meg. Blatantly saying they think their post is Townie seems cocky. IDK if Meg has the stones for that sort of thing as Mafia.

Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might just

actually

be LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.

On the second ISO of Mystik, I can see them as Jester. They seem to have some takes just off-center enough to make it look like they are bad Town - enough that it looks like they are Scum. If you're Town, then just take it as me not wanting to Lim you.

That just leaves Clemency. So I guess I will go there since they have no content yet.

VOTE: Clemency

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Why do you read Imaginality as jester?

It was mostly based on their vote for Meg, but Image was the one person I didn't look at too closely admittedly.

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Jester trying to obvtown is a really good strategy

How so?

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Jester's main goal is not to be labeled as jester. Doing so would be an instant loss essentially and it's impossible to recover from

Yeah, but if Jester gets labeled as Town, then they are not getting Limmed. And Jester doesn't have TMI so it's very easy for Jester to look too much like a Townie. That's why Mystik is my strongest Jester read atm.

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Scum tries to look like town
So jester tries to look like scum who tries to look like town

Yes, for sure. But I expect Jester to want to look Town in a way that is bad LAMIST. Not blatantly Townie, which is something they can do fairly easily because they don't have TMI.

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Scum tries to look like town
So jester tries to look like scum who tries to look like town

Yes, for sure. But I expect Jester to want to look Town in a way that is bad LAMIST. Not blatantly Townie, which is something they can do fairly easily because they don't have TMI.

how am i being lamist exactly?

I already said why in my first post.

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Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someone

Nvm we get a third shot because plurality

Although jester could still kingmaker which socks


Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2

that wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.

How does it ping you, for example? Are you looking for the Jester at all? I sorta feel like you are not.

/Atlas Shrugged.

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LOL

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Oh, I just saw Bingle's sig. Feeling more like they are Town then. (As if I wasn't reading them as Town before, but, yup.)

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Wisdom's 27 is not really fakable, so I'm willing to call this lack of TMI. I don't think this is the sort of thing Scum will fake. Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game.

Wat?

I have weird reasons for my reads. Leave me alone.

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Regardless, my takeaway here is Wisdom never dies before D4.

In the game Shirley, You Jest (a variant of Jester Nightless with moar Jester) Wisdom won as the third Jester limmed by playing as town as possible. It is not only a good theoretical strategy, it's a proven one I have first hand experience with. Me being uber town is not a reason to say I'm not Jest.

OTOH:

VOTE: LQ

Jester hunting in lieu of scumhunting is a pretty good reason for me to think you're maf.

K, well, why do you think I just want to Limm scummy stuff then?

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K, well, why do you think I just want to Limm scummy stuff then?

You... Don't?

Like, you're voting Clem for ??????? after a big post about why literally everyone but Clem is or isn't Jester.

I voted Clem because they have no content yet. That's Scummy in isolation.

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@Bingle, I'll be listening to this until you unvote me, thanks.

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Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someone

Nvm we get a third shot because plurality

Although jester could still kingmaker which socks


Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2

that wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.

How does it ping you, for example? Are you looking for the Jester at all? I sorta feel like you are not.

/Atlas Shrugged.

yes, of course I’m doing that. how does my getting pinged by imaginality translate to my not looking for the jester?

i already explained the reasons why when I voted. are you saying you think imaginality could be the jester?

I'm saying I don't get why you are not considering it, yes.

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Because your read is based on a misrep. Do you think Scum likes to misrep people? Because I don't.

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Oh, I just saw Bingle's sig. Feeling more like they are Town then. (As if I wasn't reading them as Town before, but, yup.)

you’re townread his sig? are you trolling us with this?

Because Bingle brings the heat as Town. That's what I am saying.

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Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someone

Nvm we get a third shot because plurality

Although jester could still kingmaker which socks


Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2

that wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.

How does it ping you, for example? Are you looking for the Jester at all? I sorta feel like you are not.

/Atlas Shrugged.

yes, of course I’m doing that. how does my getting pinged by imaginality translate to my not looking for the jester?

i already explained the reasons why when I voted. are you saying you think imaginality could be the jester?

I'm saying I don't get why you are not considering it, yes.

didn’t you think i was the jester? i thought his reaction to my vote wasn’t jestery.

and shouldn’t your primary focus be on trying to find who’s scum?

Admittedly, my eyes kinda glazed over in your back and forth.

What about their reaction did you think wasn't Jestery?

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Because your read is based on a misrep. Do you think Scum likes to misrep people? Because I don't.

uh yeah, scum does that all the time, if it’s deliberate. if accidental it could be town but seriously, what a weird take.

Scum kinda wants to not get caught with their pants down, is what I'm saying.

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Sure, you want to find Scum but like, the game is 2 Scum, 1 Jester, and 5 Town.

If you get it wrong, then the game is over. Kinda makes me want to be careful.

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i tend to play more survivory than town because i'm unconfident in my abilities

@LQ, do you expect a lot out of early game from someone who posts this?

That's not really my argument. My argument is that they have NO content, not just a little content. Surely you understand this?

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And I sorta feel like your quote here, Bingle just proves my point more. I didn't remember that quote when you made it, but it looks like Clem should have given us

something

to chew on if he was Town here. Could they be playing up the no content card as Jester? Yes, they could, but given they don't normally provide much content, I'm happy with my vote atm.

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why? in this kind of setup, policy quickhammering is what could make us lose.

If a player is L-1 and not voting themselves, we've already lost if they're the jester. If they're town, they're likely to selfhammer to prevent losing to the jester. The only people who have no motivation to selfhammer are, in fact, mafia. So either I cut down time to what will already happen (a selfhammer) or I get to hammer mafia. It's like literally the only setup where quickhammering doesn't have drawbacks.

Also, Meg is correct that we obviously shouldn't qh someone who is already on their own wagon, but I don't see it as likely that someone will already be on their own wagon.

I'm not going to self hammer and I'm not Scum.

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I'm not going to self hammer and I'm not Scum.

I believe exactly half of this.

Okay, well you are half right.

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I feel like Bingle isn't looking at my thought process and isn't fact-checking me to see if I use weird reasoning for my reads. Of course, you are free to prove me wrong.

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@Cakes, how much of your read on Bingle is based on their treatment of me if at all?

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it concerns me that neither you or lq are even considering the fact that i could be town here, so why is that?

I am considering you could be Town. I said that more or less.

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they're likely to selfhammer to prevent losing to the jester.

Am I missing something? I thought Jester only wins if they are Limmed?

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The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

Based on how the game is going so far, I think

we just Lim Scummy people. I have like 3 jester reads

at this point: Cakes, Image, Mystik.

I had Mystic and Wisdom as Jester reads but then ISO'd to make sure and I reevaluated.

We should lim scum. Also, let me tell you about all of my Jester reads.

Thanks for asking why I was Jester reads these players. Excellent Scum hunting.

TRs on Wisdom, Meg, and Bingle, but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around. This could just be a bad take though, IDK.

Wisdom's 27 is not really fakable, so I'm willing to call this lack of TMI. I don't think this is the sort of thing Scum will fake. Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game.

I like 68 from Meg. Blatantly saying they think their post is Townie seems cocky. IDK if Meg has the stones for that sort of thing as Mafia.

Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might just

actually

be LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.

These are my townreads, but also let me cast doubt on all of them so that it'll be easy to backtrack. Also, (and this came from the beginning of the post but fits better here):

Let me know when it occurs to you I haven't actually backed out of any of my TRs yet.

The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

TOWNREADS AREN'T WORTH MUCH. HERE ARE MY TOWNREADS.

Literally, no. You aren't reading my posts to understand. You're reading to criticize.

On the second ISO of Mystik, I can see them as Jester. They seem to have some takes just off-center enough to make it look like they are bad Town - enough that it looks like they are Scum. If you're Town, then just take it as me not wanting to Lim you.

That just leaves Clemency. So I guess I will go there since they have no content yet.

VOTE: Clemency

Oh, look.

More Jester reads.

And, at the end of this, what does he do? Votes LHF. Not because Clemency is scum, but because he's not one of the townreads LQ is actively shading and thinks can't be trusted but because LQ has decided everyone else is either town or Jester. He's not scumhunting at all.

Explain the bold please.

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lq slot is weird

Spoiler:

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I'm just going to say that reading me is piss easy if you have any meta on me at all. I absolutely suck as Scum and eat Limms left and right when I am bad because I suck at lying.

Am I weird as Town? Yes, because I have a mental illness. But I'm even weirder as Scum. Fact check me on that.

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198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

could be

I see some scum players might do that to try to keep some jester wifom alive.

i think i’m going to trust Wisdom over you on this read. that read reversal after reading my quotes is very obviously town and Clemency isn’t doing anything particularly agenday like he did in that other game Wisdom linked. i still dislike you repeatedly calling my response to Wisdom’s question “disingenuous”, because it don’t think town continues to double down on something like that after my reaction to that accusation was very obviously not so.

@lq any players you hard townread because Bingle isn’t wrong, there really isn’t a single player you’re strongly townreading. also, why would you say on d1 that any player shouldn’t live past d4? why wouldn’t you wait until d3 to determine that?

i mean Wisdom appears to be your most confident townread but even that you water down with claiming you’re not confident in that read either. i don’t like the Clemency wagon and i think he’s being voted because he’s lhf and no other reason.

yet another thing that makes me think that Bingle may be onto something with the buddying thing is it was my pivot from Wisdom to Gamma - lq’s predecessor that caused you to push me. i found that weird because if it didn’t concern Wisdom, why should it have bothered you that much?

The lack of TMI read I have on wisdom is an experimental read, but I'm waiting for it to be disproven at this point. So far it hasn't been so I'm sticking with it. I also said I had other posts that I thought were Townie from Wisdom, but no one wanted to comment on that and I have forgotten what they are at this point. The short of it is I like that Wisdom is playing a pro-active game and I'm reading that as Townie.

And I said Bingle doesn't TO D4, not that they are Limmed ON D4. I gave my reasons for thinking such.

Clem is a LHF read, but I expect Mafia to be more LHF in this kind of game than other factions. They buddying of me also raises red flags as when people "like" my posts, it usually comes from Scum.

Anything else that was addressed to me? Sort of didn't understand you last paragraph.

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Hey, Bingle, I decided to change songs just for you. I'm now listening to this:

The running gag I have with myself is that I only play Mafia to start a 20 person cult, which I fail at

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198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

could be

I see some scum players might do that to try to keep some jester wifom alive.

i think i’m going to trust Wisdom over you on this read. that read reversal after reading my quotes is very obviously town and Clemency isn’t doing anything particularly agenday like he did in that other game Wisdom linked. i still dislike you repeatedly calling my response to Wisdom’s question “disingenuous”, because it don’t think town continues to double down on something like that after my reaction to that accusation was very obviously not so.

@lq any players you hard townread because Bingle isn’t wrong, there really isn’t a single player you’re strongly townreading. also, why would you say on d1 that any player shouldn’t live past d4? why wouldn’t you wait until d3 to determine that?

i mean Wisdom appears to be your most confident townread but even that you water down with claiming you’re not confident in that read either. i don’t like the Clemency wagon and i think he’s being voted because he’s lhf and no other reason.

yet another thing that makes me think that Bingle may be onto something with the buddying thing is it was my pivot from Wisdom to Gamma - lq’s predecessor that caused you to push me. i found that weird because if it didn’t concern Wisdom, why should it have bothered you that much?

The lack of TMI read I have on wisdom is an experimental read, but I'm waiting for it to be disproven at this point. So far it hasn't been so I'm sticking with it. I also said I had other posts that I thought were Townie from Wisdom, but no one wanted to comment on that and I have forgotten what they are at this point. The short of it is I like that Wisdom is playing a pro-active game and I'm reading that as Townie.

And I said Bingle doesn't TO D4, not that they are Limmed ON D4. I gave my reasons for thinking such.

Clem is a LHF read, but I expect Mafia to be more LHF in this kind of game than other factions. They buddying of me also raises red flags as when people "like" my posts, it usually comes from Scum.

Anything else that was addressed to me? Sort of didn't understand you last paragraph.

to clarify it was mainly imaginality that was pushing me not you. why is liking your posts more likely to come from scum?

i’m getting the impression that both you and imaginality are hardpushing this scumread on Clemency and completely disregarding Wisdom’s take on it. Why are neither of you taking that into account? if you townread Wisdom that strongly, which is what you’re claiming, then why aren’t you even reconsidering that read?

I generally don't form reads based on what my TRs say because Town is wrong a lot and I could be wrong that they are Town or they could be wrong as Town. Never really took anyone else's reads into consideration much. Just how I play. I do occasionally sheep people I think are really good, but that's only until I can SR them if they are wrong.

Don't know why Scum like my posts, but they do.

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I'm not getting any Scum vibes (TM) from Mystic. I think we just leave them alone at this point

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Explain the bold please.

Your entire iso is “we should not lim person x because they’re probably a jester” and “this is why you shouldn’t lim me”.

Hyperbole? Did I get it right? What did I win?

There’s two people you’ve come close to expressing a scumread on: me, a townread who needs to be eliminated before the jester dies because ? and Clem who has done nothing.

Sure, why is Clem Town?

Compare: you clearly don’t want to die, you’re spending most of your effort doing exactly what scum wants to do (shopping for any non jester elim in a way that doesn’t bite you) and you just put up a self meta case of “I can’t be obvscum, when I’m scum I’m obvious!”

I defend myself as either alignment because I have to because this sort of thing happens all the time to me.

Well, are you going to fact-check me on that, or nah?

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Like, White Knighting Clem here is kinda a weird flex, but maybe you want to be weird like all the other weird kids in this game?

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Sorta feeling like Image is Town and Mystik is just Jester.

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Spoiler:

Bring it!

Wandering in a desolate wasteland
I thought I knew something, but I know nothing at all

Wandering in a desolate wasteland
I thought I knew something, but I know nothing at all
I thought I knew you; I never knew you at all

Every time I open my heart, I feel the whole thing ripping apart
(Liar!)
You made me open my eyes, and realize that I'm not the same
Every time I open my heart, I feel the whole thing ripping apart
(Liar!)
You made me open my eyes, and realize that I'm not the same

You can't put me in my grave
If I'm already there, punk!
You can't put me in my grave
If I'm already there
You can't put me in my grave
If I'm already there

This isn't heaven, so don't be surprised when hell shows it's face
This isn't heaven, so don't be surprised when hell shows it's face

Every time I open my heart, I feel the whole thing ripping apart
(Liar!)
You made me open my eyes, and realize that I'm not the same
Every time I open my heart, I feel the whole thing ripping apart
(Liar!)
You made me open my eyes, and realize that I'm not the same

Bring the doom!

I must end!
I must end!
I must end!

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Spoiler:

Prepare in urgency to race
Casting off the weight that burdens me
I cannot dare to force the pace
Marathon for life the road I face

Committed, determined
My gaze is set on finishing

I'm straining to extend the lead
As every evil chases me
One day, one hour, every step
I know, I know I fix my eyes up ahead

Straining on to run without remorse
Casting off mistakes that came before
In my mind I see a hallowed door
Open arm embrace, I'm reaching for

Committed, determined
My gaze is set on finishing

I'm straining to extend the lead
As every evil chases me
One day, one hour, every step
I know, I know I fix my eyes up ahead

Just like a breeze is passing me
My stammer's a distant memory
We cannot afford a glance to see
What's gaining or what is history

Unyielding, unflinching
My gaze is set on finishing

I'm straining to extend the lead
As every evil chases me
One day, one hour, every step
I know, I know I fix my eyes up ahead

I'm straining to extend the lead
As every evil chases me
One day, one hour, every step
I know, I know I fix my eyes up ahead

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Did you know? SoCal?

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i promise i'll play slightly more townie than usual
probably

The lie detector determined THAT was a lie.

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18 sounds like not jester.

Pot meets...

ancient Japanese tea ceremony.

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Regardless, my takeaway here is Wisdom never dies before D4.

Kinda sorta TMI read on Wisdom here?

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18 sounds like not jester.

Pot meets...

ancient Japanese tea ceremony.

so I think saying not jester is potentially premature.

Kettle.

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what’s odd is that cakez is the only one trying to sound unlike town, so he’s probably not town, so we probably either kill scum or lose with his lim.

what

Basically what my original post was based around Re: Jester being LAMIST.

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I think it's slightly +town to be worried about how the balance plays out here

Right... Except when I do it.

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My reads:

Lean town:
Bingle
Wisdom
Cakez

Could be Jester:
Mystik
Gamma
Clemency

Coul be scum:
Clemency
Mystik
Meg

Town: I was 2/3, Jester: I was 1/2, Scum: I was 1/3.

Don't know what this means, but I'm pointing it out for some reason.

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Sorta feeling like Image is Town and Mystik is just Jester.

Sorta feeling like Image is Town and Mystik is just Jester.

Snap

i could switch to you because i’m starting to scumread this jester push. in the beginning it was fine, since it wasn’t yet obvious i was town then but my reads progression on Clemency plus my strong townread on Wisdom, i seriously don’t understand how you’re getting jester from that?

You're playing like bad Scum in Elo.

oh and why is imaginality town? that fascinates me even more. it’s not town that he keeps pushing a read that doesn’t make any logical sense. i would expect town to have realized by now that my reaction was very clearly genuine.

It's your Adverbs I have a problem with.

LQ, you accuse Bingle of not reading the game but it seems to me that actually applies to you here.

I never accused Bingle of not reading the game. Huge "Wut?" from me here.

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VOTE: LQ

I'd normally say this is a Scum claim, but we are in a Jester game after all.

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not even Dominos promise to deliver that quickly.

Spoiler:

Sorry tried to find the lamest one I could.

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oh and why is imaginality town?

why are you not answering my imaginality question? i’m seriously considering switching my vote to you now. you’re ignoring my questions.

VOTE: LQ

Wow, a whole 29 minutes of ignoring your question, clearly deserving a vote. I mean come on, not even Dominos promise to deliver that quickly.

he’s still not answering any of my questions. i think it’s scummy that LQ continues to shade me without referencing and/or analyzing any of my quotes. you’re take on me still sucks as well but at least you’re not blatantly avoiding my questions.

Everyone has so much to say
They talk, talk, talk their lives away
Don't even hesitate
Walking on down to the burial ground
It's a very old dance with a merry old sound
Looks like it's on today

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imaginality are you scum or just being intentionally dumb? no offense but i really can’t tell anymore but i think LQ avoiding my questions is seriously scummy, which is why i switched my vote.

I don't interact with Scum.

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oh and why is imaginality town?

why are you not answering my imaginality question? i’m seriously considering switching my vote to you now. you’re ignoring my questions.

VOTE: LQ

Wow, a whole 29 minutes of ignoring your question, clearly deserving a vote. I mean come on, not even Dominos promise to deliver that quickly.

he’s still not answering any of my questions. i think it’s scummy that LQ continues to shade me without referencing and/or analyzing any of my quotes. you’re take on me still sucks as well but at least you’re not blatantly avoiding my questions.

Everyone has so much to say
They talk, talk, talk their lives away
Don't even hesitate
Walking on down to the burial ground
It's a very old dance with a merry old sound
Looks like it's on today

cool, now you’re just open wolfing.

Yes, clearly, that is what it is. SMHMH.

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oh and why is imaginality town?

why are you not answering my imaginality question? i’m seriously considering switching my vote to you now. you’re ignoring my questions.

VOTE: LQ

Wow, a whole 29 minutes of ignoring your question, clearly deserving a vote. I mean come on, not even Dominos promise to deliver that quickly.

he’s still not answering any of my questions. i think it’s scummy that LQ continues to shade me without referencing and/or analyzing any of my quotes. you’re take on me still sucks as well but at least you’re not blatantly avoiding my questions.

Everyone has so much to say
They talk, talk, talk their lives away
Don't even hesitate
Walking on down to the burial ground
It's a very old dance with a merry old sound
Looks like it's on today

cool, now you’re just open wolfing.

Yes, clearly, that is what it is. SMHMH.

you’re acting like scum, because you shade me, with no quotes analysis, no nothing. you haven’t even provided a single reason for any of your reads on me. you shitpush me instead of answering my questions. i asked you and you just respond with nothing but spam and shade.

you can call me scum, jester whatever. doesn’t change the fact that i’m very obviously town to anyone who bothers to read my posts but it’s beyond obvious to me now that you have no real interest in trying to sort me or you would have already done so.

I'm like a head trip to listen to, cause I'm only giving you
Things you joke about with your friends inside your living room
The only difference is I got the balls to say it
In front of y'all and I don't gotta be false or sugarcoated at all
I just get on the mic and spit it
And whether you like to admit it [*err*] I just shit it
Better than ninety percent of you rappers out can

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i asked you why am jester. i asked you why is imaginality town. i told you if you don’t make a decent effort in answering my questions i would vote you and you still won’t. you’re current reponse to to continue not to answer my very reasonable and valid questions and call me scum. why should i townread any of that?

For you, I don't like your adverbs. I thought I explained this?

For Image, it's just a vibe. I feel like they have been very thorough with you and you still push them for some reason *hint* probably because you are Scum.

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i asked you why am jester. i asked you why is imaginality town. i told you if you don’t make a decent effort in answering my questions i would vote you and you still won’t. you’re current reponse to to continue not to answer my very reasonable and valid questions and call me scum. why should i townread any of that?

For you, I don't like your adverbs. I thought I explained this?

For Image, it's just a vibe. I feel like they have been very thorough with you and you still push them for some reason *hint* probably because you are Scum.

i explained that i scumread him continue telling me why reaction was “disingenuous” when it’s obviously to anyone who is even remotely capable of correctly reading emotional reactions, that it wasn’t.

i switched my vote to you because you are throwing bs shade at me without making any effort whatsoever to attemp to case me. in case you’re being intentionally dense here: casing means, reading my ISO, pulling up my quotes and giving a specific read on them, which is what Bingle did when he cased you. had he instead done tonyou what you’re doing to me, i’d probably be voting him but his thought process and progression on your slot read townie to me and his case seemed valid. and if you are actually town, your extremely sketchy treatment of my slot, gives me no reason to think he’s wrong.

Sure. Go through your ISO and look at all the adverbs. That's my case on you.

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i asked you why am jester. i asked you why is imaginality town. i told you if you don’t make a decent effort in answering my questions i would vote you and you still won’t. you’re current reponse to to continue not to answer my very reasonable and valid questions and call me scum. why should i townread any of that?

For you, I don't like your adverbs. I thought I explained this?

For Image, it's just a vibe. I feel like they have been very thorough with you and you still push them for some reason *hint* probably because you are Scum.

i explained that i scumread him continue telling me why reaction was “disingenuous” when it’s obviously to anyone who is even remotely capable of correctly reading emotional reactions, that it wasn’t.

i switched my vote to you because you are throwing bs shade at me without making any effort whatsoever to attemp to case me. in case you’re being intentionally dense here: casing means, reading my ISO, pulling up my quotes and giving a specific read on them, which is what Bingle did when he cased you. had he instead done tonyou what you’re doing to me, i’d probably be voting him but his thought process and progression on your slot read townie to me and his case seemed valid. and if you are actually town, your extremely sketchy treatment of my slot, gives me no reason to think he’s wrong.

Sure. Go through your ISO and look at all the adverbs. That's my case on you.

i have no clue what you’re talking about. this is the same way i talk every game i’m in.

Spoiler:

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Sad, you are open Jestering at this point.

Spoiler:

Woe to our children if we should fall
Who would answer when they call?
Will we hear them before we die?
When we’re cut down, will they cry?

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if you’re going to continue to waste my time, i will stop trying to engage you, you are claiming a read on me based on the way i talk every single game i’m in. i once got wrongly sr because of my “formal way of speaking” or something like it. if this is the best that you’ve got, i don’t even know how to respond to that.

You have no way to show you do this every game though???

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if there’s anyone awake that doesn’t want to make me bang me head against a wall, repeatedly, that would be refreshing.

Look, I'm just making the read that makes sense to me. I really have no idea what you are like. I'm just using heuristics here because it's all I have in this game. I don't mean to be rude to you, I'm just having some fun.

If you have some reasons for SRing me besides me not engaging with what you are saying, then fine, but I really don't know what it's based on besides that.

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Sure, why is Clem Town?

Not something I’ve said even once. What I’ve said is that your vote on Clem is a result of jester hunting, not scum hunting and that not scum hunting is scummy.

OTOH, when you flip scum you’ll have spewed Clem as NotMaf pretty hard.

Well, what is your read on Clem outside of me if I might ask?

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Holy misrep, Batman!

Jester hunting isn’t scummy. Doing nothing but jester hunting is scummy. And I want to know what sort of mental contortionist bullshit you have to pull to claim that a possible jester read on Wisdom is TMI.

1. How is it a misrep?

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Sad, you are open Jestering at this point.

Spoiler:

Woe to our children if we should fall
Who would answer when they call?
Will we hear them before we die?
When we’re cut down, will they cry?

Where are you guys seeing jester

Looks like genuine frustrated town to me

Sure, I'll call them Town so we don't Yeet them. I'm down for that.

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Holy misrep, Batman!

Jester hunting isn’t scummy.

Doing nothing but jester hunting is scummy.

And I want to know what sort of mental contortionist bullshit you have to pull to claim that a possible jester read on Wisdom is TMI.

1. How is it a misrep?

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Clearly, a joke that I put a 1 down? Like, no way you are that dense?

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Holy misrep, Batman!

Jester hunting isn’t scummy.

Doing nothing but jester hunting is scummy.

And I want to know what sort of mental contortionist bullshit you have to pull to claim that a possible jester read on Wisdom is TMI.

1. How is it a misrep?

That's... not all I am doing? Like do I have reads outside of that? Check the box for yes or no.

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Somehow Bingle knows I'm not Jester for some reason. Which is strange given my odd behavior. But no, I'm lock Scum because he didn't like my first post.

But by all means, keep inventing new reasons for SRing me. I don't mind. I just expect you to get Limmed next Game Day.

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Holy misrep, Batman!

No one talks like this.

Jester hunting isn’t scummy. Doing nothing but jester hunting is scummy. And I want to know what sort of mental contortionist bullshit you have to pull to claim that a possible jester read on Wisdom is TMI.

I was pretty sure you were TRing Wisdom since they don't die before D4. Where am I wrong here? Is this just a Jester read or a TR as well? I sorta felt like there was a TR in there somewhere, but I can go back and check if you want.

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Quote literally any scumread from before I specifically called you out on it.

Clem is my SR, and you are nearing that trajectory as well.

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Iirc, wisdoms jester plan is to play the setup as straight as possible, so that’s probably jester or town and Meg seems town.

Okay, Jester or Town. Glad we got that settled.

Maybe I switched plans

What?

Like, if you're Jester then your plan is definitely to play it straight, because you're playing it straight. If you're not Jester, then switching plans would be irrelevant because you wouldn't be playing to a Jester plan.

Regardless, my takeaway here is Wisdom never dies before D4.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Wisdom feels slightly town, that’s my first read

:raised eyebrows:

tell me more

You yourself are somewhat TRing Wisdom at this point, correct?

Not just on 8ball and he actually posted elsewhere and not here, thats why I said it

Cake also feels not jestery enough with that post, but we'll see

Imagine doesn’t have any board posts between the two in this game. This post is not only a lie, but an easily seen through one.we should definitely eliminate wisdom at the start of D4.

Bingle not considering the PT explanation for Wisdom's post adds to my belief Bingle isn't scum here.

How so?

Ah, yes, the classic "Why am I not Scum/Why am I Town?" as Scum is a classic move that is classic.

I hear it's drawback-free in 8-ball too

I mean... despite the satisfaction of being called town for qh-ing wisdom we did end up losing. Still. Definitely worth it.

Only quoted this because Wisdom is in it. IDK, don't hat me.

Holy misrep, Batman!

Jester hunting isn’t scummy.

Doing nothing but jester hunting is scummy.

And I want to know what sort of mental contortionist bullshit you have to pull to claim that a possible jester read on Wisdom is TMI.

1. How is it a misrep?

That's... not all I am doing? Like do I have reads outside of that? Check the box for yes or no.

Quote literally any scumread from before I specifically called you out on it.

Sure. Are you sure you are not Jester hunting Wisdom? Like, maybe like I am doing with Mystic? And LOL, am I your only SR? That's rich.

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Sad, you are open Jestering at this point.

Spoiler:

Woe to our children if we should fall
Who would answer when they call?
Will we hear them before we die?
When we’re cut down, will they cry?

Where are you guys seeing jester

Looks like genuine frustrated town to me

Sure, I'll call them Town so we don't Yeet them. I'm down for that.

Clearly, a joke that I put a 1 down? Like, no way you are that dense?

I always laugh when this is posted. Something about the song, amirite?

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they don't die before D4.

D4 is the day that we no longer have to worry about jesters. Explicitly, wisdoms play here mirrors his play the last time he was a jester exactly.

I do think he’s more town than scum, but that’s not at all what that post suggested and I wasn’t burying that lead at all. Claiming you didn’t get that is basically admitting you weren’t reading my posts critically.

Your iso contains literally nothing about clem actually being a scumread before I called you out for not scumhunting. The angle of “Well akshually I scumread him for a lack of content” came AFTER the callout. Beforehand, he was just the only player you didn’t call town or jester in the entire player list. You, in fact, said literally nothing about him.

You’re also trying to paint me as just assuming you’re not jester when I pretty clearly made the case to why you were playing a survivalistic game.

But yeah, your inability to quote a scumread precallout kinda speaks for itself, now don’t it?

My SR of Clem is based on their lack of content, yes. Was that somehow unclear in my first post? Is lack of content generally Scummy? Y or N?

And please sign on the dotted line where you're willing to bet the game I'm Scum, thanks. I see no indication from your posts you think I'm Jester. But I can go back and check if you want me to.

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Wisdom feels slightly town, that’s my first read

His positions feel pretty nuanced rn

What does it tell you if it’s real?

the entire ISO doesn’t feel scummy to me.

Really? I think it comes across as being very meh. The wisdom read came when people were starting to share reads and was pretty fencesitty. Thinking the reads were nuanced but not commenting on them or looking into if they were real (it took literally two clicks for me to see that imaginality wasn't posting in public areas of the site) does not fill me with a wholesome town impression. Asking about what I want to know about his own potential slip also doesn't seem town at any level and is very surface level posting from any alignment. Note: none of this is a reason to scumread Gamma, but I wouldn't townread it at all.

casing lq, i’m currently leaning town on him and i disagree with Bingle that jester hunting is necessarily scum indicative because town also loses if they mistakenly lim jester.

It’s only scummy if they are not also looking for scum

and since i do think it’s very possible that imaginality could be jester here, i question the confidence in the votes there.

before gamma replaced out, my read on them was town or jester. i really didn’t see much in his ISO that was agenday and i don’t really get scum vibes from lq, so idk if the rationale behind votes on him. are based off of Gamma unlikely replacing out as jester and it’s just a safe vote?

Exactly my point: Look at 107.

The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

Based on how the game is going so far, I think

we just Lim Scummy people. I have like 3 jester reads

at this point: Cakes, Image, Mystik.

I had Mystic and Wisdom as Jester reads but then ISO'd to make sure and I reevaluated.

We should lim scum. Also, let me tell you about all of my Jester reads.

TRs on Wisdom, Meg, and Bingle, but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around. This could just be a bad take though, IDK.

Wisdom's 27 is not really fakable, so I'm willing to call this lack of TMI. I don't think this is the sort of thing Scum will fake. Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game.

I like 68 from Meg. Blatantly saying they think their post is Townie seems cocky. IDK if Meg has the stones for that sort of thing as Mafia.

Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might just

actually

be LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.

These are my townreads, but also let me cast doubt on all of them so that it'll be easy to backtrack. Also, (and this came from the beginning of the post but fits better here):

The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

TOWNREADS AREN'T WORTH MUCH. HERE ARE MY TOWNREADS.

On the second ISO of Mystik, I can see them as Jester. They seem to have some takes just off-center enough to make it look like they are bad Town - enough that it looks like they are Scum. If you're Town, then just take it as me not wanting to Lim you.

That just leaves Clemency. So I guess I will go there since they have no content yet.

VOTE: Clemency

Oh, look. More Jester reads.

And, at the end of this, what does he do? Votes LHF. Not because Clemency is scum, but because he's not one of the townreads LQ is actively shading and thinks can't be trusted but because LQ has decided everyone else is either town or Jester. He's not scumhunting at all.

How about we flip Clem and then we can see who is not looking at things with biased eyes?

My Jester reads were reads I thought were possible to be Jester. Am I supposed to have more Mafia Reads than Jester reads for some reason? I'd like you to go back and look at a Scum game of mine (don't care which one) and try and see if I am this bad WITH READS as Mafia. Go ahead. Look for where I do a RL and tell me they are as wack as you are suggesting I am doing in this game. Like, pretty sure RL are quite easily fakable as Scum. So if you really think I am this bad as Mafia that I can't even formulate decent (manipulative) reads as Mafia, then you got me. But that's not gonna happen brodha, because it's one of the only things I'm good at as Mafia is throwing people off the scent of Scum as Mafia as Mafia. Take me up on this. Will take you 5 minutes. Else, I will just share my own examples. The choice is yours.

I agree that LQ isn't likely Jester, not because of the GE replace, (although if I squint I can see the argument he'd be more excited to play if he'd rolled the namesake role I think GE wouldn't let something like that effect her and this is probably just a regular NAI replace) but because he comes across as trying to convince me not to scumread him genuinely.

I also think that imagine is not Jester, given that I'm getting buddying feels there. I'd probably be willing to vote him if LQ wasn't obvscumming so hard.

Where is this "LQ is playing the long game" post, because I'm not seeing it

But seriously, Mystik is reaching obvjester territory.

Disagree, looks like town to me now

This is a solid read if it is who I think it is. I won’t be naming my guess as I have a personal policy against outing alts (even as a guess), but I’m pretty sure this is town spiral.

Sanity check my LQ case?

I really don't think Mystik is going to reply to this, because they are Jester.

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I could see you being jester however, some of your posts feel like you want to enrage mystik and bingle on purpose

No, I read the rules so that is def not what I am doing. I even somewhat apologized to Mystic because I didn't want to give the impression I was trying to be a jerk. I was just trying to have some fun and that's all.

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LQ IRL.

Funny, but also, absolutely no. I'm the quiet guy who no one knows anything about.

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Post 426 and onward. I was Limmed D1.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5418983

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It's tempting to vote image here just because I TR Wisdom and Clem might be Jester. Not sensing any Jester vibes from Image myself.

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It's tempting to vote image here just because I TR Wisdom and Clem might be Jester. Not sensing any Jester vibes from Image myself.

I can confirm I'm not jester.
Also not scum.

Voting me would annoy me because it would mean I wasted time and energy replying to Mystik all those times. But if you think Clem is a significantly greater than average chance of Jester, sure lim me instead. I can see why you'd see me as a safer lim in that scenario.

Bingle can probably do the maths on this. X% chance of losing by limming Jester vs Y% drop in odds of winning in a 1:2:4 setup vs a 1:1:5. My pure gut feel says if you think there's a 25% chance of Clem being Jester and 75% scum, and 0% chance of me being Jester and say 25% of me being scum, then from your perspective you should lim me. Even though it just kicks the decision down the road - you can't avoid limming someone who might be jester if you want to win this game.

However don't just lim me because Clem is a non-zero chance of Jester. I think Clem is scum and I think if we lim Clem we take out a scum.

Good post. I don't really want to Lim you. Maybe Town can CFD someone close to EoD or something, but I doubt it.

I don't really want to Lim someone who makes posts like this.

Okay, going to update my Wiki, wish me luck.

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VOTE: Cakes

Yeh.

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Wiki updated. Feel free to brows to your heart's content.

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VOTE: Clem

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Thought it over. I don't think there is a very good chance Clem is Jester.

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I think it went over your head. That is a picture of a flail.

That's really quite violent of you.

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@Mystik, I am the type of person who pretty much never loses their cool.

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imaginality are you scum or just being intentionally dumb? no offense but i really can’t tell anymore but i think LQ avoiding my questions is seriously scummy, which is why i switched my vote.

I don't interact with Scum.

LQ calling me scum here after continually insisting i’m jester. lololol

I was wondering if you were going to attack that. Scum is another than isn't Town.

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Cakez has plurality I'm pretty sure

No, I went back to Clem.

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Why aren't we voting Clem?

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Like the resistance to Limmig Clem is real.

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Uhg. I really don't want to. I feel like Cakes is Town. I only voted them to spice things up.

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Whatever.

VOTE: Cakes

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News to me, his 'case' on me was garbage and I trusted Wis on the rest.

VOTE: LQ

I think MS has made some good points about LQ not being Jest. I'm a little paranoid yet that he might be trying to bait me into voting him, but this is by far the most likely to hit scum and I'm willing to risk the slight chance of a jester loss here based on what I'm pretty sure is LQ panicking over my push on him. If we don't hit scum here the game gets really hard.

D3 after flipping another townie we have to pick a universal town/jest read and all agree to sheep that person in order to have a shot at winning.Scum can't out because if Jest doesn't play ball with them they're just fucked, so they'll probably go along with the plan. If we pick Jester they're fucked. If we pick scum we lose. If we pick town we have a 40% chance to not lose.

Funny how he goes right back to me without considering Clem at all whatsoever.

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jester read on me was tmi, because he knows I can’t be mafia.

How can my read on you that you are Jester be TMI if you are Town?

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VOTE: LQ

Cakez was so obviously town.

Cakes was not obviously anything. I felt they were Town but Cakes didn't have much content. So no, Cakes was not obviously Town. When you say "obviously" here that's what I was talking about with the adverb thing. You are grossly overstating things in a way I think Jester would do.

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Wisdom, do you think Bingle is focussing too much attention on me? Without looking at the rest of the game? Like if I am Scum who am I partnered with?

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Speaking of which, what do you think about my Meg point? I think she slipped tmi there with the 3-3 wagon thing

Was this addressed to me?

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Because my guess (and it is a guess admittedly) is that Bingle is chainsawing me irt Clem.

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Yep to you

How is Clem involved?

I attack Clem and Bingle goes after me. It might be coincidental, but I sorta feels it's not since Bingle hasn't actually said a thing about Clem. And Bingle keeps saying all I am doing is Jester hunting but that's simply not true. I have reads on pretty much everyone in the game, but Bingle turns a blind eye to that.

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Well I'm curious for his stance on Meg

That's the thing. Bingle has surprisingly few takes on players in this game.

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Bingle has surprisingly few takes on players in this game.

Not publishing a reads list =/= not having takes, but don't let the truth stop your narrative.

Then where are your takes on players? I don't see them in the thread. You're going to lose this game singlehandedly if your Town here by tunneling me. The game will be on your head. I don't think you are incapable of generating a TR on me. I feel I've been pretty obviously Town based on my takes of Mystic, reading Wisdom as Town as strongly as I have, not wanting to Lim Cakes, among other things. But you have surprisingly few takes outside of me being Scum, which I'm not so you're either bad or Scum and I don't think you are bad at this game given your early analysis talk. I asked you to look at how I give reads on players as Scum. Have you done that before, or are you still burying your head in the sand there?

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Like its another thing discussing the setup in mafia discussion and going "oh, 3-3 tie close to deadline is bad because jester will vote and get the lim"
and another to actually be a player in the game with reads and encourage LQ to hammer Cakez because of said theory

TBH, I was about to go to bed. That's the only reason I hammered Cakes there. I couldn't fight for Clem's Lim. That's literally the only reason I hammered Cakes.

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VOTE: Clem

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The resistance to limming Clem is absolutely outstanding. I can't help but seeing Clem as Scum based on so few people wanting to vote there. Clem has to be Scum FMPoV.

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@Clemency any reads so far?
Which player(s) do you think seem scummiest so far (don't worry about whether they're scum or jester, just who seems scummiest on the face of it?

hey sorry ive been busy and exhausted and stuff
wisdom is town

i like you

mystik is cool too

lq slot is weird

bingle

i guess i dont like meg either

Clem's only content related post of the game fwiw. Doesn't give a read on me. Has exactly 3 TRs. Doesn't really give a read on Binble. Meg is their only SR.

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Combine this with their buddying of me, and this has all the working of Clem being Scum.

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I just see you scumreading low content

That's part of it, yes. But I also point out that no one wants to Limm them. The case for Limming Cakes is worse than the case for Limming Clem.

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Clem is just town for the reason i said. It's def not the lim today. Youre better off convincing me bingle isnt jester if you dont want meg

What reasons were those?

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Nobody wants to lim me either and im town

Well, you have actually done stuff in this game. Clem isn't doing anything and what they are doing I can't read as Townie.

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Wisdom, why is Meg Scum? Just because of pushing me to hammer Cakes? Is that it?

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Like its another thing discussing the setup in mafia discussion and going "oh, 3-3 tie close to deadline is bad because jester will vote and get the lim"
and another to actually be a player in the game with reads and encourage LQ to hammer Cakez because of said theory

Doesn't this point to Meg wanting to save Clem?

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@Mod

, Can you prod Clem?

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No it points to her knowing both are non-scum

How so? When Meg didn't want Clem Limmed?

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Meg was voting Clem. You need to reread

Fine. If I sheep you on Meg, and they flip Town, will you agree to vote Clem next?

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jester read on me was tmi, because he knows I can’t be mafia.

How can my read on you that you are Jester be TMI if you are Town?

are you being intentionally dense here?

if you are mafia, you know i obviously can’t be. duh

That makes no sense! How can I know you are not Jester if I am Mafia?

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Meg was voting Clem. You need to reread

Fine. If I sheep you on Meg, and they flip Town, will you agree to vote Clem next?

We need to lim scum today
If you think meg flips town you need to show me why instead of whatever this is

I realized you have a point with Meg. My TR on Meg is failing. I just don't want to be wrong about Meg again.

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VOTE: LQ

Cakez was so obviously town.

Cakes was not obviously anything. I felt they were Town but Cakes didn't have much content. So no, Cakes was not obviously Town. When you say "obviously" here that's what I was talking about with the adverb thing. You are grossly overstating things in a way I think Jester would do.

again, none of this is ai for me. but why does that necessarily make me jester and not scum to you? answer: no reason. if you honestly found that suspicious which it definitely isn’t for me, why would you lock me down as jester? because i think you’re scum who knows i’m not mafia. in fact, you seemed to be so convinced i absolutely had to be jester that you hard vetoed my being limmed.

Because it's Jestery for the reason I stated in my first post. It's meant to look Scummy.

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jester read on me was tmi, because he knows I can’t be mafia.

How can my read on you that you are Jester be TMI if you are Town?

are you being intentionally dense here?

if you are mafia, you know i obviously can’t be. duh

That makes no sense! How can I know you are not Jester if I am Mafia?

Mystik, you going to respond to this or no?

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D3 after flipping another townie we have to pick a universal town/jest read and all agree to sheep that person in order to have a shot at winning.Scum can't out because if Jest doesn't play ball with them they're just fucked, so they'll probably go along with the plan. If we pick Jester they're fucked. If we pick scum we lose. If we pick town we have a 40% chance to not lose.

Why are we waiting to Lim Scum again? Like, I don't get this strat that we just Lim anyone who isn't Jest. We should be looking at who is Scum.

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jester read on me was tmi, because he knows I can’t be mafia.

How can my read on you that you are Jester be TMI if you are Town?

are you being intentionally dense here?

if you are mafia, you know i obviously can’t be. duh

That makes no sense! How can I know you are not Jester if I am Mafia?

Mystik, you going to respond to this or no?

why are you being deliberately obtuse? you don’t know whether i’m jester or town but you would know i’m not mafia.

Then how is it a TMI read? It's literally not. I've given my reasons for thinking this. I don't know who your main is. It's literally not a TMI read. IDK what you are but I don't think you are Mafia. Just because I don't think you are Mafia doesn't automatically mean the read is TMI. I have no idea who your main is.

Now, please, answer the question.

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Like I feel like Mystik is just using Buzzwords for no reason. I have a TMI read on them because of my case on them? How the frick can I know what you main is like? I literally have no way of knowing that.

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D3 after flipping another townie we have to pick a universal town/jest read and all agree to sheep that person in order to have a shot at winning.Scum can't out because if Jest doesn't play ball with them they're just fucked, so they'll probably go along with the plan. If we pick Jester they're fucked. If we pick scum we lose. If we pick town we have a 40% chance to not lose.

Why are we waiting to Lim Scum again? Like, I don't get this strat that we just Lim anyone who isn't Jest. We should be looking at who is Scum.

So who is scum to you other than Clemency, because most of your reads have been jester reads?

NO! I've been saying Bingle is Mafia. Are you actually reading what I am saying or no? Now I think Meg is a decent Lim.

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VOTE: Clem

why is Clem a better lim than Meg?

do you townread Meg and why?

IDK what my read on Meg is except not Jester.

Clem is a better Lim than Meg because Meg at least has some Townie things they have done.

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are not Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

Not

EBWOP

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@Wisdom, Bingle is not Jester because he is acting so sure I am Scum. He's not considering any other possibilities. That means he's trying to act Pro-Town. I already gave my take on Bingle when I entered the thread. The read was he's trying to ObvTown super hard. Maybe given your play in that other game he would think it's a viable strategy, but I kinda think he wouldn't play the exact same way because he's a different person. From my impression of him, he wants to be read as Town and not Jester. I say Town and not Jester because he's the one who is putting forward the strategy from the early game. I sorta think if he was Jester he would wait to see what other people would do before trying to set up the way this game is played.

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

if you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

How do you know I am Mafia?

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are not Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

Not

EBWOP

your certainly on my being jester and not considering that i could be town. that’s definitely what you were doing last night, was it not?

it just feels like you KNOW i can’t be scum.

Yes, that was before I knew what your main was like via Wisdom. I had a valid read, but somehow everything I say confirms I am Mafia to you.

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

IF

you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

How do you know I am Mafia?

Everything you have said about me recently is that I am Mafia. Yes, clearly I was jumping to conclusions there. /s

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are not Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

Not

EBWOP

your certainly on my being jester and not considering that i could be town. that’s definitely what you were doing last night, was it not?

it just feels like you KNOW i can’t be scum.

Yes, that was before I knew what your main was like via Wisdom. I had a valid read, but somehow everything I say confirms I am Mafia to you.

it’s hard not to think that after the way you treated me yesterday and i’m pretty damned certain that the converse would also hold if i had done that to you.

I didn't want to respond to everything you said to me because frankly, I find you annoying.

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

IF

you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

How do you know I am Mafia?

Everything you have said about me recently is that I am Mafia. Yes, clearly I was jumping to conclusions there. /s

so why quote a post, where I clearly said “if” then?

Are you even reading what I am saying to you? You are literally voting me because you think I am Mafia. Your read on me is that I am Mafia. Just because you frame the statement as "If" doesn't mean you have a very strong read that I am Mafia. You can say "If" but if you really mean you are so sure I am Mafia, then you use "If" for very little reason.

How about this, how sure are you I am Mafia on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is totally sure and 1 is seeing no possibility of it?

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that’s something scum often says to me when i’m town.

Well, you are annoying. And again, somehow everything I do confirms I am Mafia to you. You could not be any more biased than you already are, and that's why you are annoying.

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LQ do me a favor and E-1 Meg
Im curious if Bingle breaks his policy for her

Okay, but if Meg flips Town, we Lim Clem next. Deal?

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LQ do me a favor and E-1 Meg
Im curious if Bingle breaks his policy for her

I wouldn't especially if we were buddies, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Hey, you said Scum has a reason to bus in this game. Remember that?

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

IF

you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

How do you know I am Mafia?

Everything you have said about me recently is that I am Mafia. Yes, clearly I was jumping to conclusions there. /s

so why quote a post, where I clearly said “if” then?

Are you even reading what I am saying to you? You are literally voting me because you think I am Mafia. Your read on me is that I am Mafia. Just because you frame the statement as "If" doesn't mean you have a very strong read that I am Mafia. You can say "If" but if you really mean you are so sure I am Mafia, then you use "If" for very little reason.

How about this, how sure are you I am Mafia on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is totally sure and 1 is seeing no possibility of it?

the fact that you keep deflecting here and ignoring what i just said about the extremely scummy way you interacted with me yesterday speaks volumes and your only response is a lame-ass you find me “annoying”? do you think i care if the obectively scummiest slot to interact with me finds me annoying? no i honestly don’t gaf.

i think based off of both your play and Bingle’s case on you, you have the highest scum equity to me in this game. and unlike imaginality who had some takes i could possibly see as townie, i’m still waiting to see that from you. if i’m wrong here, then it’s on you for not doing anything to make me think i’m wrong on you.

Fine. Then when I flip Town you can eat sour grapes.

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Hey, you said Scum has a reason to bus in this game. Remember that?

Yes? Because it's a nightless game and getting one scum to be obvtown is basically a scum win.

I'm saying that theoretical scum me would hammer Meg regardless of whether Meg was my partner or not.

And you being willing to put town in a position where they don't have a clear majority to appease Wisdom is basically a scumclaim, so...

I'm TRing both Image and Wisdom at this point.

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I'm saying that theoretical scum me would hammer Meg regardless of whether Meg was my partner or not.

You said the opposite just before that though.

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Why do you tr Imaginality

The only reason I dont want him dead is because he might be jester

I don't think Image is Jester based on their back and forth with Mystik. I think the way Image interacted with Mystik is Townie.

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I'm TRing both Image and Wisdom at this point.

And it's cool that scum you only needs one vote to win if you hammer town today. I'm sure that has nothing to do with your decision.

Who am I teamed with if Meg flips Town here?

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I wouldn't especially if we were buddies, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Wut?

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Wisdom, If Meg flips Town, I will only vote for Bingle or Clem. Deal?

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You said the opposite just before that though.

I said I would follow my policy [of quickhammering anyone at E1] especially if Meg and I were S/S. But keep pretending to read my posts, it makes the scumclaims so much harder to see. /s

This open Jester move makes me think you are actually Mafia here.

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I dont do deals
I told you what to do if you think meg is town

Well, you expect me to work with you when you won't work with me.

VOTE: Bingle

I'll just do this instead.

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i really don’t know why you expect me to tr any of this because of your hypocrisy regarding me. why would you expect me to think that makes any sense?

also after the sketchy way you treated me last night, i don’t understand why you’d even be mad about that if i’m wrong? if the situation were reversed, i’d be doing a major mea culpa to you now but for whatever reason you’re not, which makes me wonder why you’re reacting this way to me. it’s almost like you have selective amnesia or something.

Whatever.

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@Mystic, I was hard Jester reading you for what you said last night because everything you said was so freaking OTT.

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@Mystic, I was hard Jester reading you for what you said last night because everything you said was so freaking OTT.

And it continues to be. I think you could be Town (now) and this is just your playstyle. But I don't think you are Mafia because you are far too loud.

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@Mystic, I was hard Jester reading you for what you said last night because everything you said was so freaking OTT.

But the way you treated me was so OTT scummy. you pretty much ignored everything i was saying to you. like it’s hard to ignore that.

so what is your current read on me?

the way you’ve been currently interacting with me sounds like you’re very strongly tr me, yet you don’t have me as a tr. because why do you tell jester that they would feel bad if you flip town?

I'm slightly TRing you for flipping a gasket when I called you Jester and I don't think you would have carried on this long this hard if you are Jester, but it's not a strong TR, so stop putting words in my mouth.

And you are seriously annoying to deal with because you are so biased and I make no apologies about that.

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@Mystic, I was hard Jester reading you for what you said last night because everything you said was so freaking OTT.

But the way you treated me was so OTT scummy. you pretty much ignored everything i was saying to you. like it’s hard to ignore that.

so what is your current read on me?

the way you’ve been currently interacting with me sounds like you’re very strongly tr me, yet you don’t have me as a tr. because why do you tell jester that they would feel bad if you flip town?

I'm slightly TRing you for flipping a gasket when I called you Jester and I don't think you would have carried on this long this hard if you are Jester, but it's not a strong TR, so stop putting words in my mouth.

And you are seriously annoying to deal with because you are so biased and I make no apologies about that.

you should if you’re actually town here and don’t want to be a hypocrite but that’s on you.

How am I being a hypocrite? Like you say these buzzword-type things All. The. Time. And I have no idea how to make sense of that.

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UNVOTE:

for now but still salty about last night but whatever.

He's scum, MS.

It's fucking obvious, don't let his halfassed defense sway you.

Are you going to own your contradiction or not?

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It's very believable that LQ has a nuanced read on me but doesn't even know this happened, despite literally responding to it.

You said blatantly that you would not hammer Meg if they were your partner while also saying Scum would have reason to bus in this setup. But go ahead and act like you never said that.

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UNVOTE:

for now but still salty about last night but whatever.

He's scum, MS.

It's fucking obvious, don't let his halfassed defense sway you.

Disagree and think this might be a Bingle jester sign

It's too obvious for Bingle to be Jester here.

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Like i dont remember scum bingle pushing mislims like this
But i dont think town bingle still scumreads lq here

Or, Bingle is just baiting me to vote Meg here so he can hammer Town!Meg.

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@Mystic, I was hard Jester reading you for what you said last night because everything you said was so freaking OTT.

But the way you treated me was so OTT scummy. you pretty much ignored everything i was saying to you. like it’s hard to ignore that.

so what is your current read on me?

the way you’ve been currently interacting with me sounds like you’re very strongly tr me, yet you don’t have me as a tr. because why do you tell jester that they would feel bad if you flip town?

I'm slightly TRing you for flipping a gasket when I called you Jester and I don't think you would have carried on this long this hard if you are Jester, but it's not a strong TR, so stop putting words in my mouth.

And you are seriously annoying to deal with because you are so biased and I make no apologies about that.

you should if you’re actually town here and don’t want to be a hypocrite but that’s on you.

How am I being a hypocrite? Like you say these buzzword-type things All. The. Time. And I have no idea how to make sense of that.

because the exact same things you keep accusing me of: being biased, is exactly what you were yesterday but unlike you, i have at least respectfully tried to respond to your questions and not ignore you. if you’re town here, you should never treat anyone like you treated me yesterday because then they won’t want to work with you.

My dismissal of you is not the same as bias. It just means I don't care to engage with your biases.

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Like i dont remember scum bingle pushing mislims like this
But i dont think town bingle still scumreads lq here

Or, Bingle is just baiting me to vote Meg here so he can hammer Town!Meg.

maybe you are town and were just being a jerk to me last night?

Bingle, why are you so certain LQ is scum?

I was in no way being a jerk. I was just having fun. Seriously, I explained this. I never said anything bad to you except that you are being annoying. My dismissal of you shouldn't be taken as me being a jerk because it was clear (at the time) you were not really evaluating me fairly.

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@Mystic, I was hard Jester reading you for what you said last night because everything you said was so freaking OTT.

But the way you treated me was so OTT scummy. you pretty much ignored everything i was saying to you. like it’s hard to ignore that.

so what is your current read on me?

the way you’ve been currently interacting with me sounds like you’re very strongly tr me, yet you don’t have me as a tr. because why do you tell jester that they would feel bad if you flip town?

I'm slightly TRing you for flipping a gasket when I called you Jester and I don't think you would have carried on this long this hard if you are Jester, but it's not a strong TR, so stop putting words in my mouth.

And you are seriously annoying to deal with because you are so biased and I make no apologies about that.

you should if you’re actually town here and don’t want to be a hypocrite but that’s on you.

How am I being a hypocrite? Like you say these buzzword-type things All. The. Time. And I have no idea how to make sense of that.

because the exact same things you keep accusing me of: being biased, is exactly what you were yesterday but unlike you, i have at least respectfully tried to respond to your questions and not ignore you. if you’re town here, you should never treat anyone like you treated me yesterday because then they won’t want to work with you.

My dismissal of you is not the same as bias. It just means I don't care to engage with your biases.

i had no bias BEFORE you did that, that came after.

With all your over-the-top language I am surprised to hear this from you.

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Like i dont remember scum bingle pushing mislims like this
But i dont think town bingle still scumreads lq here

Or, Bingle is just baiting me to vote Meg here so he can hammer Town!Meg.

maybe you are town and were just being a jerk to me last night?

Bingle, why are you so certain LQ is scum?

I was in no way being a jerk. I was just having fun. Seriously, I explained this. I never said anything bad to you except that you are being annoying. My dismissal of you shouldn't be taken as me being a jerk because it was clear (at the time) you were not really evaluating me fairly.

Yeah you really were. you’re treatment of me last night was really fucking disrespectful. i honestly don’t know how you’re not seeing that.

Basically all I said to you (if you were reading between the lines) is that I don't feel like engaging with you. That's it. I never said "you're dumb" or anything like that.

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@Wisdom, what does your Reads List look like at this point?

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Scum Clem in this game was really really absent, much like here

First instinct is he's scum again but I'm kind of worrying he does this as jester knowing he gets lim'd

Why doesn't this hold anymore?

yep clem is most likely not jester here
Id expect him to be having fun instead of being absent

or maybe that's what i want you to think
~(v-v)~

Wisdom, I still don't get why you see this as indicative of Clem being town rather than scum wanting to keep jester wifom alive.

Scum tries to make you think they're jester, they don't just post "Hey maybe I am jester"

Maybe Clem is just uninvested Mafia here. And you're reading into things because Clem hasn't said anything in like 50 hours.

Clem is just town for the reason i said. It's def not the lim today. Youre better off convincing me bingle isnt jester if you dont want meg

The above is all I could find in your read on Clem. So debunk that please.

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You mean besides the clearly survivalist behavior, the complete fabrication of what's going on ITT, the fact that he didn't do any scumhunting until directly called out for not scumhunting and then revised his PoE nullread into a lockscum read so strong he won't even reconsider it when one of his locktown reads disagrees vehemently, the blatant 'woe is me I'm always scumread' ATE and the willingness to lim someone he's townreading on the basis that he's then going to get a lim on another player who his case on is "Well he's not doing anything."?

I hacked his account and read his role PM.

Half of this is blatantly untrue.

How have I been a survivalist? When did I even have a chance to Scum hunt with you jumping down my throat? Where is your Scum hunting of me? Talk to me about how I have anyone as Lock Scum? And I already said I don't play based on what reads my TRs have. There was zero AtE in any of my posts. Getting an Elim is pretty much what we have to do everyday, correct? If I don't vote Cakes there, there's no guarantee that a Lim even goes through.

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Like... How am I the only one who sees LQ loudly and repeatedly scumclaiming and still obviously trying to fight his own elimination this hard?

He's not town. He's not Jest. QED, he's scum.

I hope you get Limmed after my Lim.

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If I don't vote Cakes there, there's no guarantee that a Lim even goes through.

Plurality?

Okay, but the votes were tied? I was under the assumption a Lim wouldn't go through unless I voted Cakes. Otherwise, I would have just let it rand.

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Half of this is blatantly untrue.

Is it the half where I read your role PM? Cause... Yeah. The rest is all 100% what this thread is fucking about.

Let me know when you respond to anything I have actually said, thanks.

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Like... How am I the only one who sees LQ loudly and repeatedly scumclaiming and still obviously trying to fight his own elimination this hard?

He's not town. He's not Jest. QED, he's scum.

Probably because they actually know how to read me and are not burying their head in the sand with how Townie I have actually been. But go on pushing me as Scum and see where it leads you I guess.

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If I don't vote Cakes there, there's no guarantee that a Lim even goes through.

Plurality?

Okay, but the votes were tied? I was under the assumption a Lim wouldn't go through unless I voted Cakes. Otherwise, I would have just let it rand.

So you weren't concerned either was jester?

I don't think Meg was acting like a Jester would. And I am Mafia reading Clem at this point so...

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Bingle's read on me is quite ridged - as if he's stuck in 2011 or something.

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I think best plan on a red meg flip is to lim outside bingle/Imaginality, get rid of the jester, then lim the other

Meg isn't guaranteed to flip red, and I don't know why you are acting like she is.

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Because that's what the solve says unless im wrong on some townread

Like, your reason for TRing Clem is really really weak.

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VOTE: Clem

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The LQ - Mystik stoush today reminds me somewhat of me-Mystik yesterday.

I notice LQ has a townread on me and Wisdom in #540 and wondering how much of that is just because we were voting Meg rather than him.

Also I wonder if phrasing this "how do you know" rather than "why do you think" is a slip:

i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

if you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

How do you know I am Mafia?

Don't talk about slips unless they are actually a slip.

I don't give a rip about you not voting for me. I knew I was never getting Limmed D1.

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The LQ - Mystik stoush today reminds me somewhat of me-Mystik yesterday.

I notice LQ has a townread on me and Wisdom in #540 and wondering how much of that is just because we were voting Meg rather than him.

Also I wonder if phrasing this "how do you know" rather than "why do you think" is a slip:

i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

if you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

How do you know I am Mafia?

Don't talk about slips unless they are actually a slip.

I don't give a rip about you not voting for me. I knew I was never getting Limmed D1.

why are you so defensive to every single read you dislike? don’t you think this reaction is kind’ve OTT? i mean if imaginality is that offbase, then why get this bent out of shape?

I am incredibly frustrated right now.

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I hope you get Limmed after my Lim.

“Oh, woe is me. The person who I think is scum is voting me. I’m obviously going down in flames.”

Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

It will expose you as the Scum you are, obviously.

Ever get a chance to look at how I formulate reads as Scum? This is the 4th? 5th time I am asking?

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Id keep going but it’s his entire iso.

Only 200 is anywhere in the ballpark of me being "survivalist". And like it's somehow Scummy of me to not self-hammer? Wut?

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It's very believable that LQ has a nuanced read on me but doesn't even know this happened, despite literally responding to it.

You said blatantly that you would not hammer Meg if they were your partner while also saying Scum would have reason to bus in this setup. But go ahead and act like you never said that.

Quote this. You’re literally making shit up.

Keep telling yourself that. I already quoted where you said you wouldn't vote Meg if you were partnered with them. Yet somehow you still maintain your stupid strategy of hammering anything that doesn't self hammer. Are you just eager to Lim people or what?

I've only ever self hammered as Scum and that's not going anywhere broski.

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But i dont think town bingle still scumreads lq here

Show me a single thing LQ has done that is town.

Is it the dismissal of MS as a jester for exactly as long as it was scumreading him?

My reaction to Mystik is incredibly Townie if you consider why I was Jester reading them. But you don't want to look at the context of any of my reads for some reason.

Is it the OMGUS retraction of a townread on me as soon as I started pushing him?

Yeah, cuz your read on me conveniently dismisses all the Townie things I have done in this game.

Is it the assertions that "It's okay, I'm scummy as town and even more scummy as scum. Just go do a bunch of busywork reading second hand games and it'll be obvious!"

Blatant misrep. In any case, if you're not willing to fact-check me on this, you don't really have a valid read here and I can dismiss this as biased colored glasses. I didn't even say I was Scummy as Town, I said I was weird as Town but weirder as Scum, which admittedly, I just looked through a game I replaced into a game as Scum and went from my pred being the main suspect to turning the slot completely around and winning in F3, but that's neither here nor there. I just said that because I rarely have a Scum game I'm not Limmed in. But the thing you are not seeing is that no one else at this point is Mafia reading me. So you mean to tell me you're the only Town in this game who can read me properly when you won't even fact check me on my meta? Hilarious.

Is it the dismissal of everyone who was even posting as town or Jester in order to push the single person least likely to be able to put up a defense?

If you are referring to Clem, my reasons for Mafia reading them never went away. Who's a better push for me FYPOV? I would be down for voting Meg, but it's too early in the day. Clem is totally free to post anytime they wish. No one is preventing them from posting. And until I see a reason not to Mafia read them, I will continue to do so.

Is it the making shit up about what I've said or done?

Again, your own words fight against you here. You said you wouldn't vote Meg if you were partnered with them here. So somehow the strat of hammering anything that doesn't self hammer makes you Town? When you said yourself you would stick to the strategy in this game AND the NEXT game? Like you probably have done previously? Yeah, that's NOT a reason to TR you bucko.

Is it the blatant gaslighting about things that didn't actually happen in the thread?

I actually misread a lot of things because I have ADHD so badly and am better at just stating things in real-time and going back and rereading. I haven't reread much yet this game except once I reread the thread and gave my takes on things that had already been said. But I prefer interacting in real time since I just don't do well when catching up usually.

Cause I've kinda run out of things he's done this game and haven't seen a single fucking towntell in the list.

That's because you are living with blinders on considering other people have been able to find me as Town just fine.

[LicketyQuickety]

Now Bingle is going to say they would only use this strategy as Town. Yeah, right, who is going to believe that when you said you were sticking by it regardless in your NEXT GAME like this?

[LicketyQuickety]

How have I been a survivalist?

@Bingle, I'll be listening to this until you unvote me, thanks.

Clearly, this is tongue in cheek. Somehow you are blind to understanding anything I say though.

why? in this kind of setup, policy quickhammering is what could make us lose.

If a player is L-1 and not voting themselves, we've already lost if they're the jester. If they're town, they're likely to selfhammer to prevent losing to the jester. The only people who have no motivation to selfhammer are, in fact, mafia. So either I cut down time to what will already happen (a selfhammer) or I get to hammer mafia. It's like literally the only setup where quickhammering doesn't have drawbacks.

Also, Meg is correct that we obviously shouldn't qh someone who is already on their own wagon, but I don't see it as likely that someone will already be on their own wagon.

I'm not going to self hammer and I'm not Scum.

Because I have a perfect record of not self-hammering as Town, and I don't plan on breaking that at this point. Even when I've been unfairly Limmed (which you are trying to do) I've maintained not self-hammering as Town.

I'm just going to say that reading me is piss easy if you have any meta on me at all. I absolutely suck as Scum and eat Limms left and right when I am bad because I suck at lying.

Am I weird as Town? Yes, because I have a mental illness. But I'm even weirder as Scum. Fact check me on that.

Yeah, this is true though. I would never lie about this for a Mafia game, holy crap. And you refuse to fact-check me.

Sorta feeling like Image is Town and Mystik is just Jester.

Not seeing how this is survivalist but you do you.

Id keep going but it’s his entire iso.

No, these are the only examples you could dream up.

[LicketyQuickety]

My reaction to Mystik is incredibly Townie if you consider why I was Jester reading them. But you don't want to look at the context of any of my reads for some reason.

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is. Other people can see it, why can't you?

Is it the OMGUS retraction of a townread on me as soon as I started pushing him?

Yeah, cuz your read on me conveniently dismisses all the Townie things I have done in this game.

It's notoriously easy to dismiss things that don't exist.[/quote]

It's notoriously easy to get caught in a tunnel as well, which you are clearly doing at this point.

Is it the assertions that "It's okay, I'm scummy as town and even more scummy as scum. Just go do a bunch of busywork reading second hand games and it'll be obvious!"

Blatant misrep. In any case, if you're not willing to fact-check me on this, you don't really have a valid read here and I can dismiss this as biased colored glasses. I didn't even say I was Scummy as Town, I said I was weird as Town but weirder as Scum, which admittedly, I just looked through a game I replaced into a game as Scum and went from my pred being the main suspect to turning the slot completely around and winning in F3, but that's neither here nor there. I just said that because I rarely have a Scum game I'm not Limmed in. But the thing you are not seeing is that no one else at this point is Mafia reading me. So you mean to tell me you're the only Town in this game who can read me properly when you won't even fact check me on my meta? Hilarious.

Your self meta is garbage. Just like all self meta is garbage. If you can say "I would never be doing this as scum" and be correct then you're actively cheating. If you're not correct than it's useless noise. But your argument here is "You're wrong to scumread me because I'm always scumread as scum, therefore you're scum."

I guess semantics is the best you got at this point. And that's not my argument. My argument is that other people are not seeing me as Scum and you are the ONLY ONE who is Scum reading me for these things. Wisdom said I should be held off until D4. Image seems to think I'm not a good Lim either. And Mystik has changed their mind on me because of my Townie reaction to their pressure on me, which you deny, but the person who was actively pressuring me has changed their mind. So what does that tell you exactly?

Is it the dismissal of everyone who was even posting as town or Jester in order to push the single person least likely to be able to put up a defense?

If you are referring to Clem, my reasons for Mafia reading them never went away. Who's a better push for me FYPOV? I would be down for voting Meg, but it's too early in the day. Clem is totally free to post anytime they wish. No one is preventing them from posting. And until I see a reason not to Mafia read them, I will continue to do so.

Are you fucking kidding me with this?

Yes, totally joking. What are you going to say next? "Oh, Clem is Townie. No reason to suspect Clem at all."

Is it the making shit up about what I've said or done?

Again, your own words fight against you here.

You said you wouldn't vote Meg if you were partnered with them here

. So somehow the strat of hammering anything that doesn't self hammer makes you Town? When you said yourself you would stick to the strategy in this game AND the NEXT game? Like you probably have done previously? Yeah, that's NOT a reason to TR you bucko.

Literally the opposite of what I said. Literally the opposite of what I clarified. Literally the opposite of what imagine clarified. Literally the opposite of the meaning you yourself are demonstrating knowledge of. Like, I can't see a world where this isn't a play designed to convince people you're a Jester, but that ship has sailed. No way a jester is flailing this hard under any amount of pressure.

I wouldn't clearly mean what it says. Unless you actually said you WOULD lime them, but then I don't know why that conversation even happened in the first place.

I've been playing as Pro-Town all game. What are you even smoking? IDRC if you SR me here. My Lim will just show you are Mafia at this point.

Is it the blatant gaslighting about things that didn't actually happen in the thread?

I actually misread a lot of things because I have ADHD so badly and am better at just stating things in real-time and going back and rereading. I haven't reread much yet this game except once I reread the thread and gave my takes on things that had already been said. But I prefer interacting in real time since I just don't do well when catching up usually.

"It's cool that I'm consistently ignoring everything you say, I'm probably just misreading every single post you make."

Just giving you facts you don't know how to handle, apparently.

Cause I've kinda run out of things he's done this game and haven't seen a single fucking towntell in the list.

That's because you are living with blinders on considering other people have been able to find me as Town just fine.

It's almost like the entire post you're responding to is asking what said people (read: Wisdom, and only Wisdom) are townreading.[/quote][/Quote]

I'm pretty sure other people are NOT SRing me because you're the only one voting me cheif.

[LicketyQuickety]

My reaction to Mystik is incredibly Townie if you consider why I was Jester reading them. But you don't want to look at the context of any of my reads for some reason.

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is. Other people can see it, why can't you?

Is it the OMGUS retraction of a townread on me as soon as I started pushing him?

Yeah, cuz your read on me conveniently dismisses all the Townie things I have done in this game.

It's notoriously easy to dismiss things that don't exist.

It's notoriously easy to get caught in a tunnel as well, which you are clearly doing at this point.

Is it the assertions that "It's okay, I'm scummy as town and even more scummy as scum. Just go do a bunch of busywork reading second hand games and it'll be obvious!"

Blatant misrep. In any case, if you're not willing to fact-check me on this, you don't really have a valid read here and I can dismiss this as biased colored glasses. I didn't even say I was Scummy as Town, I said I was weird as Town but weirder as Scum, which admittedly, I just looked through a game I replaced into a game as Scum and went from my pred being the main suspect to turning the slot completely around and winning in F3, but that's neither here nor there. I just said that because I rarely have a Scum game I'm not Limmed in. But the thing you are not seeing is that no one else at this point is Mafia reading me. So you mean to tell me you're the only Town in this game who can read me properly when you won't even fact check me on my meta? Hilarious.

Your self meta is garbage. Just like all self meta is garbage. If you can say "I would never be doing this as scum" and be correct then you're actively cheating. If you're not correct than it's useless noise. But your argument here is "You're wrong to scumread me because I'm always scumread as scum, therefore you're scum."

I guess semantics is the best you got at this point. And that's not my argument. My argument is that other people are not seeing me as Scum and you are the ONLY ONE who is Scum reading me for these things. Wisdom said I should be held off until D4. Image seems to think I'm not a good Lim either. And Mystik has changed their mind on me because of my Townie reaction to their pressure on me, which you deny, but the person who was actively pressuring me has changed their mind. So what does that tell you exactly?

Is it the dismissal of everyone who was even posting as town or Jester in order to push the single person least likely to be able to put up a defense?

If you are referring to Clem, my reasons for Mafia reading them never went away. Who's a better push for me FYPOV? I would be down for voting Meg, but it's too early in the day. Clem is totally free to post anytime they wish. No one is preventing them from posting. And until I see a reason not to Mafia read them, I will continue to do so.

Are you fucking kidding me with this?

Yes, totally joking. What are you going to say next? "Oh, Clem is Townie. No reason to suspect Clem at all."

Is it the making shit up about what I've said or done?

Again, your own words fight against you here.

You said you wouldn't vote Meg if you were partnered with them here

. So somehow the strat of hammering anything that doesn't self hammer makes you Town? When you said yourself you would stick to the strategy in this game AND the NEXT game? Like you probably have done previously? Yeah, that's NOT a reason to TR you bucko.

Literally the opposite of what I said. Literally the opposite of what I clarified. Literally the opposite of what imagine clarified. Literally the opposite of the meaning you yourself are demonstrating knowledge of. Like, I can't see a world where this isn't a play designed to convince people you're a Jester, but that ship has sailed. No way a jester is flailing this hard under any amount of pressure.

I wouldn't clearly mean what it says. Unless you actually said you WOULD lime them, but then I don't know why that conversation even happened in the first place.

I've been playing as Pro-Town all game. What are you even smoking? IDRC if you SR me here. My Lim will just show you are Mafia at this point.

Is it the blatant gaslighting about things that didn't actually happen in the thread?

I actually misread a lot of things because I have ADHD so badly and am better at just stating things in real-time and going back and rereading. I haven't reread much yet this game except once I reread the thread and gave my takes on things that had already been said. But I prefer interacting in real time since I just don't do well when catching up usually.

"It's cool that I'm consistently ignoring everything you say, I'm probably just misreading every single post you make."

Just giving you facts you don't know how to handle, apparently.

Cause I've kinda run out of things he's done this game and haven't seen a single fucking towntell in the list.

That's because you are living with blinders on considering other people have been able to find me as Town just fine.

It's almost like the entire post you're responding to is asking what said people (read: Wisdom, and only Wisdom) are townreading.

I'm pretty sure other people are NOT SRing me because you're the only one voting me cheif.

Learn how to Quote Cheif.

EBWOP

[LicketyQuickety]

FWIW, Bingle's play here seems like a carbon copy of what Thor tried to do to Lim me in this Newbie game. It didn't work there and it isn't working here.

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[LicketyQuickety]

You're kinda arguing my point for me.

I considered that maybe he misread, and clarified, and he blatantly ignored the clarification.

Don't hint that you might be considering he's scum though, he'll decide you're scum.

Your "explanation" IIRC is contradicting your original point.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ do me a favor and E-1 Meg
Im curious if Bingle breaks his policy for her

I wouldn't especially if we were buddies, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Tell me what this is about, Bingle? Because you say, on the one hand, you are sticking to Hammering anything that doesn't self hammer, but on the other hand, saying you WOULDN'T hammer Meg here especially if you are buddies with them. Sorta looks like a contradiction to me! But if I'm missing something, please point it out.

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay, so you are saying you wouldn't break your POLICY, or you wouldn't Hammer them. If it's the later, then that is my error, but it's probably not a reason to SR me in any case.

[LicketyQuickety]

Now it just looks like Wisdom was baiting me into voting for Meg here.

Wisdom, why would you want to end the day so early?

[LicketyQuickety]

@Bingle,

Have a rather pressing question for you.

Is being wrong inherently Scummy to you? If so why?

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ do me a favor and E-1 Meg
Im curious if Bingle breaks his policy for her

I wouldn't

especially if we were buddies, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

I think LQ may have misread this post as Bingle saying he wouldn't

vote for

Meg instead of what Bingle is actually saying, that he wouldn't

break his quickhammer policy

for Meg?

Yeah, that's what it was.

[LicketyQuickety]

Which, then it's really weird for Wisdom to bring that up...

[LicketyQuickety]

I would hammer Meg if you put them to E1.

I would hammer Meg if you put them to E1 regardless of alignment.

If I am town, it's just correct play, because MegJest has won and MegTown is going to die anyway because they're proven not Jest and won't end the game in my loss.
If I am scum and Meg is town, hey, free town lim.
If I am scum and Meg is scum, not hammering is a literal scumclaim.
If I am Jester, not hammering is a Jester claim.

In all cases, I would hammer, and Wisdom knows that.

And you already demonstrated that you understood the policy when you argued against it earlier.

Claiming that anything I said is that I wouldn't hammer Meg while simultaneously scumreading me for being willing to hammer meg ("He's baiting me into voting Meg!") is blatant horseshit. Taking this out now, after imagine tried to argue you out of the corner you put yourself in isn't really convincing.

K, now answer my question. Is being wrong inherently Scummy?

[LicketyQuickety]

Is being wrong inherently Scummy to you? If so why?

Being wrong isn't scummy. Actively twisting a narrative to push something is.

That's what I think you are doing irt me.

The idea that I am Scum for being wrong seems to be the read you've settled on.

The idea that I am twisting things rather than just having a derp moment is kinda telling tbh.

You've said I've been "survivalist" and I don't think I have. I think if I was survivalist I wouldn't be posting this much, hmmm? Like, isn't Clem and Meg being survivalist if anyone is?

[LicketyQuickety]

You've said I've been "survivalist" and I don't think I have. I think if I was survivalist I wouldn't be posting this much, hmmm? Like, isn't Clem and Meg being survivalist if anyone is?

I don't know why you're even fighting this part of my read, it's blatantly obvious that it's true and MS was the one who convinced me of it.

You're fighting pretty fucking hard against being eliminated. Y/N

You didn't answer my question.

I always fight my Lim. I have every reason to!

[LicketyQuickety]

When you have the record that I do of getting Limmed D1 as much as I do, you start fighting back.

Maybe you can't relate to that, but I always fight my Lim because I don't like getting Limmed - especially D1.

[LicketyQuickety]

And in isolation being survivalistic is a very weak scumtell because town also does it. Here, it's a pretty strong antiJester tell. Like sure, Jester probably fights their lim a little, but to this extent?

So do you want to Lim me because I'm NOT JESTER or because I'm Mafia? Limming me just because I am not Jester is easy. Most of the players in this game so far fit that.

And I'm gonna put this in visual format because I know you won't actually look at my wiki if I ask you to.



See, I get Limmed D1 a lot - more than anything else besides Endgame. And You want me in endgame if you are Town here because I'm good at endgame. So I have every reason to fight my Lim as hard as I am doing.

And that's without calculating for my other account as well. I probably have way more D1 Lims if you look at that data.

[LicketyQuickety]

And in isolation being survivalistic is a very weak scumtell because town also does it. Here, it's a pretty strong antiJester tell. Like sure, Jester probably fights their lim a little, but to this extent?

So do you want to Lim me because I'm NOT JESTER or because I'm Mafia? Limming me just because I am not Jester is easy. Most of the players in this game so far fit that.

And I'm gonna put this in visual format because I know you won't actually look at my wiki if I ask you to.



See, I get Limmed D1 a lot - more than anything else besides Endgame. And You want me in endgame if you are Town here because I'm good at endgame. So I have every reason to fight my Lim as hard as I am doing.

And that's without calculating for my other account as well. I probably have way more D1 Lims if you look at that data.

Oh, I just double checked. I actually have 8 D1 Lims, not 6, 5 of them as Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

excuse me, I’m extremely certain I never said that i thought the way you interacted with me last night was townie, in fact I’ve maintained the exact opposite of that.

In what world do I play this way as Jester?

[LicketyQuickety]

excuse me, I’m extremely certain I never said that i thought the way you interacted with me last night was townie, in fact I’ve maintained the exact opposite of that.

In what world do I play this way as Jester?

did i say i think you’re jester? if you’re going to spout utter nonsense - regardless of whatever your alignment in this game happens to be - i’m going to call you out on it.

Then why did you stop voting for me? You're either reading me as Jester or Mafia, and you're not voting me so the obvious conclusion is...

[LicketyQuickety]

dude, i’m not going to continue to play these assinine mond games with you.

Why did you stop voting for me?

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE:

for now but still salty about last night but whatever.

I was under the impression based on the flow of the thread you were reading me differently. Am I wrong here? Why exactly did you unvote me?

[LicketyQuickety]

I've only endgamed 2 times as Scum compared to the 14 other times I have endgamed as Town. 9/14 of the times I've been endgamed as Town, I've been on the right side of history (that's 64%).

But also, it seems Scum really like to push for my Lim because I've been Limmed as Town 10 times and won 5 of them.

So, yeah, when I say I have a Scummy meta, which is only because people don't understand me because I'm weird, I have the data to back it up.

[LicketyQuickety]

i honestly don’t know what to make of you. i find some of things you say ridiculous but beyond that idk. wisdom’s saying one thing about you and Bingle’s say pretty much the opposite.

one thing strikes me is that Meg doesn’t seem terribly concerned about the votes on her where you get extremely upset but idk if either means anything or not, probably you aren’t jester and that’s all i’ve got.

What is your read on Bingle? Because it seems like you are weighing both opinions the same. You said you were TRing Wisdom, but you also said that was your strongest read of the game.

So who cares what Bingle says about me?

[LicketyQuickety]

And in case there was any doubt I have a "Scummy meta" I provide this set of quotes.

Quick - no read here ever; I don't know if I'll ever be able to read Quick but certainly unlikely in day 1

I remember reading your other games trying to figure you out for that one and maybe one other game where I swear I was dead ass convinced you were scum but you were town so as far as I'm concerned, I'm Lickety Quickety Illiteratey

Personally I think I'm an easy person to read. Some people can catch me as Scum every single time. Titus is one of those players who has an astounding record of reading me because they know what to look for. I was also recently in THIS game and someone caught me as Scum in like my first post. Never found out who it was though.

[LicketyQuickety]

And in isolation being survivalistic is a very weak scumtell because town also does it. Here, it's a pretty strong antiJester tell. Like sure, Jester probably fights their lim a little, but to this extent?

So do you want to Lim me because I'm NOT JESTER or because I'm Mafia? Limming me just because I am not Jester is easy. Most of the players in this game so far fit that.

And I'm gonna put this in visual format because I know you won't actually look at my wiki if I ask you to.



See, I get Limmed D1 a lot - more than anything else besides Endgame. And You want me in endgame if you are Town here because I'm good at endgame. So I have every reason to fight my Lim as hard as I am doing.

And that's without calculating for my other account as well. I probably have way more D1 Lims if you look at that data.

Both? Like, if you genuinely didn't understand that the goal in this game for town is to eliminate Mafia while avoiding the elimination of Jesters that would have been apparent long before now.

WRT the statistics, putting aside the fact that you're trying to sell something as meaningless as past game statistics as a reason to townread you, you have a significantly higher scumwin percentage than townwin percentage based on your own wiki page which is exactly counter to your own narrative of "I'm usually easy to beat as scum". You don't break apart your deaths based on faction. You have absolutely no account for correlation or causation, and there's nothing addressing that mafia is a cooperative game.

Your argument is that you're town because you win as town about as much as you'd expect a random monkey at a typewriter in a room full of monkeys at typewriters and you're worse as scum than as town because you win more often. Your argument is worse than useless. Congratulations on wasting my time.

No, my argument is that you shouldn't be as sure that I am Scum as you are. And the only reason I am good as Scum is because [REDACTED] and has nothing to do with my Lim rate as Scum. In fact, if you consider that 6/16 times I've been Limmed as Scum, it just means I get Limmed MORE often as Scum than I do as Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

And again, Bingle, you are just saying I am Scum because I have been wrong about things. I don't play in a traditional way - that should be totally apparent to you at this point. So stop trying to read me like you read everyone else and try and get inside my head.