Micro 1033: XD [Game Over]

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I have a breaking strategy for this game:

Mass claim social security numbers.

Mine is 8675309, popcorn to Guyette.

jester irl

VOTE: Wisdom

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VOTE: Mystik Spiral
Shoulda gone with "Helpful Corn"

do you know who mystik is?

I read that as if you knew X was making an alt and used a different name for their alt than you expected

No I just get the reference because I watched that show with my mother because she watched it as it aired and then got the box set.

who doesn’t love Daria?

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VOTE: Gamma

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also this

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true

you and clem are gonna be my biggest headache in this game

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sounds like a rip off of the foo fighters to me

lol

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I have a breaking strategy for this game:

Mass claim social security numbers.

Mine is 8675309, popcorn to Guyette.

An outrageously US-centric plan.

VOTE: Bingle

Nah uh, I popcorned to an Irish guy. Clearly there’s nothing specifically related to the US involved.

Yeah, so we’re in a halfway between two different setups, which is interesting. I think I’m leaning

VOTE: cakez

18 sounds like not jester.

I am the ultimate jester i always get limmed regardless of alignment muahaha

idk, it seems a little too obvious. like he’s almost baiting people to vote him.

jester probably doesn’t want to seem too town in this setup and mafia probably wants to seem like jester. so that’s my concern but possible?

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what’s odd is that cakez is the only one trying to sound unlike town, so he’s probably not town, so we probably either kill scum or lose with his lim.

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Maybe I switched plans

What?

Like, if you're Jester then your plan is definitely to play it straight, because you're playing it straight. If you're not Jester, then switching plans would be irrelevant because you wouldn't be playing to a Jester plan.

Regardless, my takeaway here is Wisdom never dies before D4.

he’s either town or jester. i doubt he’s scum, so agree.

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what’s odd is that cakez is the only one trying to sound unlike town, so he’s probably not town, so we probably either kill scum or lose with his lim.

what

your initial post didn’t sound particularly townie.

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Nvm we get a third shot because plurality

Although jester could still kingmaker which socks


Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2

anyone else get possible lamisty vibes from this?

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true

you and clem are gonna be my biggest headache in this game

imaginality, why are you saying i didn’t answer Wisdom’s question when i clearly did?

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Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someone

Nvm we get a third shot because plurality

Although jester could still kingmaker which socks


Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2

that wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.

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Mystik why the vote change?

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you and clem are gonna be my biggest headache in this game

imaginality

how did you miss this?

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true

you and clem are gonna be my biggest headache in this game

imaginality, why are you saying i didn’t answer Wisdom’s question when i clearly did?

How does that explain why you voted Gamma?

Since Wisdom's comment was responding to SirCakez rather than Gamma it can't be that.

i explained why I unvoted Wisdom. both were rvs votes but i switched because i like Wisdom’s response.

VOTE: imaginality

i really don’t like how you’re making such an issue of this, considering that neither Wisdom or Gamma did.

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true

you and clem are gonna be my biggest headache in this game

imaginality, why are you saying i didn’t answer Wisdom’s question when i clearly did?

Mystik why the vote change?

true

you and clem are gonna be my biggest headache in this game

imaginality

how did you miss this?

also you’re now moving the goalposts. first you falsely accuse me of dodging W’s question which i clearly didn’t do and now you’re trying to shade me for my Gamma vote.

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true

you and clem are gonna be my biggest headache in this game

imaginality, why are you saying i didn’t answer Wisdom’s question when i clearly did?

How does that explain why you voted Gamma?

Since Wisdom's comment was responding to SirCakez rather than Gamma it can't be that.

i explained why I unvoted Wisdom. both were rvs votes but i switched because i like Wisdom’s response.

VOTE: imaginality

i really don’t like how you’re making such an issue of this, considering that neither Wisdom or Gamma did.

I didn't make an issue of this? I asked why you hadn't answered, you said you had, I pointed out it wasn't an answer to the question Wisdom asked, which you have now answered.

Not shifting the goalposts - 31 isn't an answer. It was half an answer at most. Why was it scummy of me to ask for the full answer?

Lol at you voting me over this

but that wasn’t how you phrased it. you didn’t actually say Mystic only answered the unvoting Wisdom part of it. you framed it as a straight up dodging of the question and considering both were rvs votes, i do find that suspicious.

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"considering both were rvs votes"

You

knew that. We didn't. (Or I didn't, at least. Maybe others can read your mind as to whether your vote on Gamma was also RVS or had a reason behind it?)

Now you've explained it as I requested we can all move on to more important questions.

Like why you overreacted to my question.

I obviously didn’t. And I’m fine with keeping my vote on you.

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Scum tries to look like town
So jester tries to look like scum who tries to look like town

Yes, for sure. But I expect Jester to want to look Town in a way that is bad LAMIST. Not blatantly Townie, which is something they can do fairly easily because they don't have TMI.

how am i being lamist exactly?

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Scum tries to look like town
So jester tries to look like scum who tries to look like town

Yes, for sure. But I expect Jester to want to look Town in a way that is bad LAMIST. Not blatantly Townie, which is something they can do fairly easily because they don't have TMI.

no, this doesn’t answer my question, i want to know specifically what about my posting do you read as lamist?

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I thought I was replacing into a Scum slot. I wasn't.

nah that's way too underground for me
never heard of a nirvana

Is this underground enough for you?



The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

Based on how the game is going so far, I think we just Lim Scummy people. I have like 3 jester reads at this point: Cakes, Image, Mystik.

I had Mystic and Wisdom as Jester reads but then ISO'd to make sure and I reevaluated.

TRs on Wisdom, Meg, and Bingle, but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around. This could just be a bad take though, IDK.

Wisdom's 27 is not really fakable, so I'm willing to call this lack of TMI. I don't think this is the sort of thing Scum will fake. Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game.

I like 68 from Meg. Blatantly saying they think their post is Townie seems cocky. IDK if Meg has the stones for that sort of thing as Mafia.

Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might just

actually

be LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.

On the second ISO of Mystik, I can see them as Jester. They seem to have some takes just off-center enough to make it look like they are bad Town - enough that it looks like they are Scum. If you're Town, then just take it as me not wanting to Lim you.

That just leaves Clemency. So I guess I will go there since they have no content yet.

VOTE: Clemency

oh this post but you still don’t really explain it. i want to know what takes are “off-center” and what makes me “bad town”?

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Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someone

Nvm we get a third shot because plurality

Although jester could still kingmaker which socks


Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2

that wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.

How does it ping you, for example? Are you looking for the Jester at all? I sorta feel like you are not.

/Atlas Shrugged.

yes, of course I’m doing that. how does my getting pinged by imaginality translate to my not looking for the jester?

i already explained the reasons why when I voted. are you saying you think imaginality could be the jester?

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Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someone

Nvm we get a third shot because plurality

Although jester could still kingmaker which socks


Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2

that wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.

My point is that if you think I am scum actively going for towncred, it's incongruent with my play.

that was my read of one single post. i’m not calling you scum, i’m actually leaning to jester or town right now. it’s not a confident read either way. i currently feel the best about Bingle.

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Oh, I just saw Bingle's sig. Feeling more like they are Town then. (As if I wasn't reading them as Town before, but, yup.)

you’re townread his sig? are you trolling us with this?

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Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someone

Nvm we get a third shot because plurality

Although jester could still kingmaker which socks


Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2

that wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.

How does it ping you, for example? Are you looking for the Jester at all? I sorta feel like you are not.

/Atlas Shrugged.

yes, of course I’m doing that. how does my getting pinged by imaginality translate to my not looking for the jester?

i already explained the reasons why when I voted. are you saying you think imaginality could be the jester?

I'm saying I don't get why you are not considering it, yes.

didn’t you think i was the jester? i thought his reaction to my vote wasn’t jestery.

and shouldn’t your primary focus be on trying to find who’s scum?

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Because your read is based on a misrep. Do you think Scum likes to misrep people? Because I don't.

uh yeah, scum does that all the time, if it’s deliberate. if accidental it could be town but seriously, what a weird take.

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Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someone

Nvm we get a third shot because plurality

Although jester could still kingmaker which socks


Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2

that wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.

How does it ping you, for example? Are you looking for the Jester at all? I sorta feel like you are not.

/Atlas Shrugged.

yes, of course I’m doing that. how does my getting pinged by imaginality translate to my not looking for the jester?

i already explained the reasons why when I voted. are you saying you think imaginality could be the jester?

I'm saying I don't get why you are not considering it, yes.

didn’t you think i was the jester? i thought his reaction to my vote wasn’t jestery.

and shouldn’t your primary focus be on trying to find who’s scum?

Admittedly, my eyes kinda glazed over in your back and forth.

What about their reaction did you think wasn't Jestery?

i thought he seemed not too happy that i didn’t unvote him.

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Because your read is based on a misrep. Do you think Scum likes to misrep people? Because I don't.

uh yeah, scum does that all the time, if it’s deliberate. if accidental it could be town but seriously, what a weird take.

Scum kinda wants to not get caught with their pants down, is what I'm saying.

i didn’t like the way he kept trying to justify the initial misrep, it read like backpedaling to me. it definitely didn’t read townie to me.

i really don’t understand your argument here, scum tries to manipulate and twist things and hope that the slots they do that too are maybe too confused to fight back.

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Sure, you want to find Scum but like, the game is 2 Scum, 1 Jester, and 5 Town.

If you get it wrong, then the game is over. Kinda makes me want to be careful.

convince me imaginality’s jester then and i’ll unvote him.

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tinfoil on possibly imaginality and lq being buddies.

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i honestly can’t tell from your post if you’re trying to accuse me of being jester or scum. lq complains i’m not concerned enough about finding the jester and now you’re either accusing me of jester fishing or trying to appear to be doing that . . . what? lol

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what’s odd is that cakez is the only one trying to sound unlike town, so he’s probably not town, so we probably either kill scum or lose with his lim.

what

your initial post didn’t sound particularly townie.

ok and what's your point?

Lean town:
Cakez

I don't understand how you could have this read on me

nothing more than that i didn’t townread your opening post. i like your subsequent posts a little more.

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Sorry yes that last sentence wasn't clear. I meant I'm wondering if you're the jester, fishing for votes on you by hoping to irk me into voting you an make others think you're scum and vote you.

you are correct that nothing about my play makes any sense if i’m scum here and that’s all you’re actually right about.

it concerns me that neither you or lq are even considering the fact that i could be town here, so why is that?

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Good thing you said that, I was about to quickhammer.

It’s worth noting that I will be policy quickhammering in this setup.

why? in this kind of setup, policy quickhammering is what could make us lose.

lost my Bingle townread. :/

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Regardless, my takeaway here is Wisdom never dies before D4.

In the game Shirley, You Jest (a variant of Jester Nightless with moar Jester) Wisdom won as the third Jester limmed by playing as town as possible. It is not only a good theoretical strategy, it's a proven one I have first hand experience with. Me being uber town is not a reason to say I'm not Jest.

OTOH:

VOTE: LQ

Jester hunting in lieu of scumhunting is a pretty good reason for me to think you're maf.

this post is another reason to vote Bingle - I don't think this vote comes from town Bingle

UNVOTE:

i will seriously consider this.

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Well obviously we don't quickhammer if they are already self voting but otherwise jester will self hammer anyway

but what do you make of that post? policy quickhammering is the most likely thing to make us lose this game. especially until the jester is flushed out/day 4 right?

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I dont understand why that made you dislike bingle

because policy quickhammering in this setup could make us lose. the troubling word here is “policy”. quickhammering because you’re confident you’ve hit scum is fine but don’t you find that at all concerning?

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How does it make us lose
The jester will selfhammer anyway

that’s why we should be careful about putting anyone to e-1 unless we’re extremely confident they can’t be jester.

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Sorry yes that last sentence wasn't clear. I meant I'm wondering if you're the jester, fishing for votes on you by hoping to irk me into voting you an make others think you're scum and vote you.

you are correct that nothing about my play makes any sense if i’m scum here and that’s all you’re actually right about.

it concerns me that neither you or lq are even considering the fact that i could be town here, so why is that?

imaginality, are you going to respond to this?

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Yes but youre dodging the point

Once someone is at e-1 why is it bad to quickhammer them?

I dont understand why that made you dislike bingle

because policy quickhammering in this setup could make us lose. the troubling word here is “policy”. quickhammering because you’re confident you’ve hit scum is fine but don’t you find that at all concerning?

did you miss my point here? we shouldn’t be quickhammering anything unless we’re confident they can’t be jester.

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So mystik is either jester or unable to comprehend

Did i mention i wish i knew who it was an alt of?

what am i not comprehending?

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Giving benefit of the doubt I can see that you might have interpreted "why the vote change" as "why did you stop voting me(Wisdom)" whereas I interpreted it as "why are you now voting Gamma and no longer voting Wisdom". It doesn't seem as natural a reading but it is plausible. So I don't see your 31 as scummy but neither is me asking for the other half of the answer

so what is disingenuous about my reaction? i’m still not convinced you actually did think i dodged Wisdom’s question because fmpov, it seemed pretty obvious i didn’t do that.

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Bingle didnt encourage putting people at E-1
He said he will quickhammer whoever is at E-1
Which the jester will do anyway if we put them there
So what's wrong with it?

Yeah this
I don't understand what Mystik is not getting
Seems jestery

I SR Bingle for other reasons

what other reasons?

i’m really lmao at all the jester reads, i only wish that were the case.

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why? in this kind of setup, policy quickhammering is what could make us lose.

If a player is L-1 and not voting themselves, we've already lost if they're the jester. If they're town, they're likely to selfhammer to prevent losing to the jester. The only people who have no motivation to selfhammer are, in fact, mafia. So either I cut down time to what will already happen (a selfhammer) or I get to hammer mafia. It's like literally the only setup where quickhammering doesn't have drawbacks.

Also, Meg is correct that we obviously shouldn't qh someone who is already on their own wagon, but I don't see it as likely that someone will already be on their own wagon.

oh okay, i think i get it now. wrt what Meg said, i’d actually think jester wouldn’t be so obvious as to try that but you never know.

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i actually think that town shouldn’t self-hammer unless they’re somehow in a tight 1v1 with someone they’re strongly confident is jester. doing that will only make it easier for scum to get parity.

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I mean… not selfhammering when you’re obviously going to die is just wasting time, but really the takeaway is that e-2 is actually e-1.

why? if you’re going to die anyway, then you obviously wouldn’t need to self-hammer. who tf cares about “wasting time” unless it’s near deadline?

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if i’m at e-1, i’m giving out reads before beforehand.

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it concerns me that neither you or lq are even considering the fact that i could be town here, so why is that?

I am considering you could be Town. I said that more or less.

i still don’t like imaginality. he shouldn’t be having that reaction to my response wrt to Wisdom’s question. i don’t think he’s town but jester is possible. ugh.

imaginality, why shouldn’t i revote you?

and i also, explain to me again why you’re voting Meg?

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Bingle, why is lq scum? i’m getting possible town pings from them.

Cakez, can you eloborate more on your Bingle scumread? thanks.

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Giving benefit of the doubt I can see that you might have interpreted "why the vote change" as "why did you stop voting me(Wisdom)" whereas I interpreted it as "why are you now voting Gamma and no longer voting Wisdom". It doesn't seem as natural a reading but it is plausible. So I don't see your 31 as scummy but neither is me asking for the other half of the answer

so what is disingenuous about my reaction? i’m still not convinced you actually did think i dodged Wisdom’s question because fmpov, it seemed pretty obvious i didn’t do that.

Exactly this. You seem smart enough that I don't believe you don't understand my point (that you in fact didn't answer the question from my perspective of why vote Gamma, while I admit your post #31 did answer the question from your perspective of why you stopped voting Wisdom) so I believe you continuing to argue I'm misrepping you is disingenuous.

you really want me to vote you don’t you, otherwise why keep pushing this inane bullshit? hmmmmm

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Giving benefit of the doubt I can see that you might have interpreted "why the vote change" as "why did you stop voting me(Wisdom)" whereas I interpreted it as "why are you now voting Gamma and no longer voting Wisdom". It doesn't seem as natural a reading but it is plausible. So I don't see your 31 as scummy but neither is me asking for the other half of the answer

so what is disingenuous about my reaction? i’m still not convinced you actually did think i dodged Wisdom’s question because fmpov, it seemed pretty obvious i didn’t do that.

Exactly this. You seem smart enough that I don't believe you don't understand my point (that you in fact didn't answer the question from my perspective of why vote Gamma, while I admit your post #31 did answer the question from your perspective of why you stopped voting Wisdom) so I believe you continuing to argue I'm misrepping you is disingenuous.

you really want me to vote you don’t you, otherwise why keep pushing this inane bullshit? hmmmmm

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town!imaginality would take into account that i unvoted him but he ignores it. would scum!imaginality really go out of his way to antagonize me after that?

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this is what i think imaginality. i think you know i’m telling the truth and are very obviously trying to provoke me. otherwise you would stop telling me that you know my mind better than i do.

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iirc jester doesn’t endgame in this but I think it’s good to get a refresh

@all: Is this a slip or a fakeslip?

What does it tell you if it’s real?

Not knowing how jester works implies not being jester. Faking it implies the exact opposite. Frankly I’m more interested in how other people react than how you do though.

More likely jester than not

so i decided to look at Gamma’s jester “slip” and i’m going to assume that jester isn’t very likely to replace out, so i don’t think lq is jester.

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Wisdom feels slightly town, that’s my first read

His positions feel pretty nuanced rn

What does it tell you if it’s real?

the entire ISO doesn’t feel scummy to me.

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casing lq, i’m currently leaning town on him and i disagree with Bingle that jester hunting is necessarily scum indicative because town also loses if they mistakenly lim jester. It’s only scummy if they are not also looking for scum and since i do think it’s very possible that imaginality could be jester here, i question the confidence in the votes there.

before gamma replaced out, my read on them was town or jester. i really didn’t see much in his ISO that was agenday and i don’t really get scum vibes from lq, so idk if the rationale behind votes on him. are based off of Gamma unlikely replacing out as jester and it’s just a safe vote?

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Mystik

you asked me

what I thought was disingenuous. I answered. That is not 'pushing'. I was the one who said it was a dumb disagreement we should move on from!

town!imaginality would take into account that i unvoted him but he ignores it.

How should my answer to your question have been different because you unvoted me versus if you still had your vote on me?

To my mind it's either:
"I think you're being disingenuous because XYZ. I see you've unvoted me but that was because you were thinking of voting Bingle and you later still said I'm not town so it seems like your views on me haven't changed."

Or if you hadn't unvoted:
"I think you're being disingenuous because XYZ."

Same answer to your question in either case.

You keep confusing me with these posts. Why?

i don’t townread you because i don’t believe you’re seriously this dense. beyond that i honestly can’t tell what you’re doing here? it looks like you both want to provoke mebut then trying to make it seem less obvious. first you say our argument is dumb and we should move on, which i like but then in the very next post you double down on my allegedly being “dusengious” which makes me want you dead but then i think that’s really stupid play if you’re actually scum here, so i currently lean jester.

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I agree with you on Gamma/LQ's slot being town btw

could we actually be getting somewhere then? Am I wrong about you? you posts confuse me so much. okay, what makes you think Meg is scum here as opposed to town or jester?

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Spoiler:

hello im jester
VOTE: sircakez

i promise i'll play slightly more townie than usual
probably

i tend to play more survivory than town because i'm unconfident in my abilities

yep clem is most likely not jester here
Id expect him to be having fun instead of being absent

or maybe that's what i want you to think
~(v-v)~

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Scum Clem in this game was really really absent, much like here

First instinct is he's scum again but I'm kind of worrying he does this as jester knowing he gets lim'd

well looking at his iso, he seems to really want you to think he’s jester and i think jester would do more? idk how useful that other game is as a comparison because a jester mechanic affects the way people play. also possible he could also be town? what strikes me is him saying he will play more townie and less survivalistic but he hasn’t done anything townie yet, so there’s an odd kind of self-consciousness to his play here.

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198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

could be

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198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

i’m really not sure what to do but this back and forth on Clemency makes me feel really good about wisdom being likely town, so i think i should just probably sheep your vote.

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198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

could be

I see some scum players might do that to try to keep some jester wifom alive.

i think i’m going to trust Wisdom over you on this read. that read reversal after reading my quotes is very obviously town and Clemency isn’t doing anything particularly agenday like he did in that other game Wisdom linked. i still dislike you repeatedly calling my response to Wisdom’s question “disingenuous”, because it don’t think town continues to double down on something like that after my reaction to that accusation was very obviously not so.

@lq any players you hard townread because Bingle isn’t wrong, there really isn’t a single player you’re strongly townreading. also, why would you say on d1 that any player shouldn’t live past d4? why wouldn’t you wait until d3 to determine that?

i mean Wisdom appears to be your most confident townread but even that you water down with claiming you’re not confident in that read either. i don’t like the Clemency wagon and i think he’s being voted because he’s lhf and no other reason.

yet another thing that makes me think that Bingle may be onto something with the buddying thing is it was my pivot from Wisdom to Gamma - lq’s predecessor that caused you to push me. i found that weird because if it didn’t concern Wisdom, why should it have bothered you that much?

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198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

could be

I see some scum players might do that to try to keep some jester wifom alive.

i think i’m going to trust Wisdom over you on this read. that read reversal after reading my quotes is very obviously town and Clemency isn’t doing anything particularly agenday like he did in that other game Wisdom linked. i still dislike you repeatedly calling my response to Wisdom’s question “disingenuous”, because it don’t think town continues to double down on something like that after my reaction to that accusation was very obviously not so.

@lq any players you hard townread because Bingle isn’t wrong, there really isn’t a single player you’re strongly townreading. also, why would you say on d1 that any player shouldn’t live past d4? why wouldn’t you wait until d3 to determine that?

i mean Wisdom appears to be your most confident townread but even that you water down with claiming you’re not confident in that read either. i don’t like the Clemency wagon and i think he’s being voted because he’s lhf and no other reason.

yet another thing that makes me think that Bingle may be onto something with the buddying thing is it was my pivot from Wisdom to Gamma - lq’s predecessor that caused you to push me. i found that weird because if it didn’t concern Wisdom, why should it have bothered you that much?

The lack of TMI read I have on wisdom is an experimental read, but I'm waiting for it to be disproven at this point. So far it hasn't been so I'm sticking with it. I also said I had other posts that I thought were Townie from Wisdom, but no one wanted to comment on that and I have forgotten what they are at this point. The short of it is I like that Wisdom is playing a pro-active game and I'm reading that as Townie.

And I said Bingle doesn't TO D4, not that they are Limmed ON D4. I gave my reasons for thinking such.

Clem is a LHF read, but I expect Mafia to be more LHF in this kind of game than other factions. They buddying of me also raises red flags as when people "like" my posts, it usually comes from Scum.

Anything else that was addressed to me? Sort of didn't understand you last paragraph.

to clarify it was mainly imaginality that was pushing me not you. why is liking your posts more likely to come from scum?

i’m getting the impression that both you and imaginality are hardpushing this scumread on Clemency and completely disregarding Wisdom’s take on it. Why are neither of you taking that into account? if you townread Wisdom that strongly, which is what you’re claiming, then why aren’t you even reconsidering that read?

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Giving benefit of the doubt I can see that you might have interpreted "why the vote change" as "why did you stop voting me(Wisdom)" whereas I interpreted it as "why are you now voting Gamma and no longer voting Wisdom". It doesn't seem as natural a reading but it is plausible. So I don't see your 31 as scummy but neither is me asking for the other half of the answer

so what is disingenuous about my reaction? i’m still not convinced you actually did think i dodged Wisdom’s question because fmpov, it seemed pretty obvious i didn’t do that.

Exactly this. You seem smart enough that I don't believe you don't understand my point (that you in fact didn't answer the question from my perspective of why vote Gamma, while I admit your post #31 did answer the question from your perspective of why you stopped voting Wisdom) so

I believe you continuing to argue I'm misrepping you is disingenuous

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i said that the misrepping occured when you initially accused me of the dodge but it’s the “disingenuous” part of it that continues to ping me. unless you’re really this bad at reading that type of thing, it doesn’t give me warm fuzzy feelings about your slot.

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I'm not getting any Scum vibes (TM) from Mystic. I think we just leave them alone at this point

Fair enough. I'll leave it there in that front. Others can make of it what they will.

VOTE: imaginality


if Wisdom switches to LQ, i might consider that but my gut dislikes imaginality more.

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oh and e - 2 on them, i believe.

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Sorta feeling like Image is Town and Mystik is just Jester.

Sorta feeling like Image is Town and Mystik is just Jester.

Snap

i could switch to you because i’m starting to scumread this jester push. in the beginning it was fine, since it wasn’t yet obvious i was town then but my reads progression on Clemency plus my strong townread on Wisdom, i seriously don’t understand how you’re getting jester from that?

oh and why is imaginality town? that fascinates me even more. it’s not town that he keeps pushing a read that doesn’t make any logical sense. i would expect town to have realized by now that my reaction was very clearly genuine.

LQ, you accuse Bingle of not reading the game but it seems to me that actually applies to you here.

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My reads:

Lean town:
Bingle
Wisdom
Cakez

Could be Jester:
Mystik
Gamma
Clemency

Coul be scum:
Clemency
Mystik
Meg

Town: I was 2/3, Jester: I was 1/2, Scum: I was 1/3.

Don't know what this means, but I'm pointing it out for some reason.

why aren’t you addressing my post? first it’s imaginality that gets weird when i switch my vote from Wisdom to Gamma, now it’s you who’s suddenly being weird after i voted imaginality, so what gives?

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i don’t know which is scummier rn, imaginality being deliberately tone deaf or LQ not making a good faith effort to read me.

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Sorta feeling like Image is Town and Mystik is just Jester.

Sorta feeling like Image is Town and Mystik is just Jester.

Snap

i could switch to you because i’m starting to scumread this jester push. in the beginning it was fine, since it wasn’t yet obvious i was town then but my reads progression on Clemency plus my strong townread on Wisdom, i seriously don’t understand how you’re getting jester from that?

You're playing like bad Scum in Elo.

oh and why is imaginality town? that fascinates me even more. it’s not town that he keeps pushing a read that doesn’t make any logical sense. i would expect town to have realized by now that my reaction was very clearly genuine.

It's your Adverbs I have a problem with.

LQ, you accuse Bingle of not reading the game but it seems to me that actually applies to you here.

I never accused Bingle of not reading the game. Huge "Wut?" from me here.

You accused Bingle of not reading you properly or something.

it’s very clear you’re suddenly doubling down on this jester thing because you don’t want me to vote imaginality. i now think you actually could be scum because you’re ignoring anything that points against your jester read on me. you’re not making a good faith effort in trying to sort me at all, which is what i actually thought you might have been doing earlier.

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Sorta feeling like Image is Town and Mystik is just Jester.

Sorta feeling like Image is Town and Mystik is just Jester.

Snap

i could switch to you because i’m starting to scumread this jester push. in the beginning it was fine, since it wasn’t yet obvious i was town then but my reads progression on Clemency plus my strong townread on Wisdom, i seriously don’t understand how you’re getting jester from that?

You're playing like bad Scum in Elo.

oh and why is imaginality town? that fascinates me even more. it’s not town that he keeps pushing a read that doesn’t make any logical sense. i would expect town to have realized by now that my reaction was very clearly genuine.

It's your Adverbs I have a problem with.

LQ, you accuse Bingle of not reading the game but it seems to me that actually applies to you here.

I never accused Bingle of not reading the game. Huge "Wut?" from me here.

why are you not answering my imaginality question? i’m seriously considering switching my vote to you now. you’re ignoring my questions. if you were genuinely trying to make a good faith effort in sorting me, you’d be actually trying to case me instead of just throwing out unsubstantiated shade.

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if it isn’t already clear, i want actual quotes and analysis of those quotes to back up your reads. why are you not doing that?

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VOTE: LQ

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oh and why is imaginality town?

why are you not answering my imaginality question? i’m seriously considering switching my vote to you now. you’re ignoring my questions.

VOTE: LQ

Wow, a whole 29 minutes of ignoring your question, clearly deserving a vote. I mean come on, not even Dominos promise to deliver that quickly.

he’s still not answering any of my questions. i think it’s scummy that LQ continues to shade me without referencing and/or analyzing any of my quotes. you’re take on me still sucks as well but at least you’re not blatantly avoiding my questions.

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if it isn’t already clear, i want actual quotes and analysis of those quotes to back up your reads. why are you not doing that?

Yes, like the analysis Mystik included for Mystik's changed read on Wisdom, or the quotes and analysis for Mystik's read on Gamma.

true

you and clem are gonna be my biggest headache in this game

Oops sorry I promised I wasn't gonna get sucked back into that whole thing.

But seriously, Mystik is reaching obvjester territory. So can we lim Clemency now?

and in a world where you’re actually town here - doubt - what are you going to say when i flip town, which i 100% will.

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imaginality are you scum or just being intentionally dumb? no offense but i really can’t tell anymore but i think LQ avoiding my questions is seriously scummy, which is why i switched my vote.

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oh and why is imaginality town?

why are you not answering my imaginality question? i’m seriously considering switching my vote to you now. you’re ignoring my questions.

VOTE: LQ

Wow, a whole 29 minutes of ignoring your question, clearly deserving a vote. I mean come on, not even Dominos promise to deliver that quickly.

he’s still not answering any of my questions. i think it’s scummy that LQ continues to shade me without referencing and/or analyzing any of my quotes. you’re take on me still sucks as well but at least you’re not blatantly avoiding my questions.

Everyone has so much to say
They talk, talk, talk their lives away
Don't even hesitate
Walking on down to the burial ground
It's a very old dance with a merry old sound
Looks like it's on today

cool, now you’re just open wolfing.

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oh and why is imaginality town?

why are you not answering my imaginality question? i’m seriously considering switching my vote to you now. you’re ignoring my questions.

VOTE: LQ

Wow, a whole 29 minutes of ignoring your question, clearly deserving a vote. I mean come on, not even Dominos promise to deliver that quickly.

he’s still not answering any of my questions. i think it’s scummy that LQ continues to shade me without referencing and/or analyzing any of my quotes. you’re take on me still sucks as well but at least you’re not blatantly avoiding my questions.

Everyone has so much to say
They talk, talk, talk their lives away
Don't even hesitate
Walking on down to the burial ground
It's a very old dance with a merry old sound
Looks like it's on today

cool, now you’re just open wolfing.

Yes, clearly, that is what it is. SMHMH.

you’re acting like scum, because you shade me, with no quotes analysis, no nothing. you haven’t even provided a single reason for any of your reads on me. you shitpush me instead of answering my questions. i asked you and you just respond with nothing but spam and shade.

you can call me scum, jester whatever. doesn’t change the fact that i’m very obviously town to anyone who bothers to read my posts but it’s beyond obvious to me now that you have no real interest in trying to sort me or you would have already done so.

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i asked you why am jester. i asked you why is imaginality town. i told you if you don’t make a decent effort in answering my questions i would vote you and you still won’t. you’re current reponse to to continue not to answer my very reasonable and valid questions and call me scum. why should i townread any of that?

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i asked you why am jester. i asked you why is imaginality town. i told you if you don’t make a decent effort in answering my questions i would vote you and you still won’t. you’re current reponse to to continue not to answer my very reasonable and valid questions and call me scum. why should i townread any of that?

For you, I don't like your adverbs. I thought I explained this?

For Image, it's just a vibe. I feel like they have been very thorough with you and you still push them for some reason *hint* probably because you are Scum.

i explained that i scumread him continue telling me why reaction was “disingenuous” when it’s obviously to anyone who is even remotely capable of correctly reading emotional reactions, that it wasn’t.

i switched my vote to you because you are throwing bs shade at me without making any effort whatsoever to attemp to case me. in case you’re being intentionally dense here: casing means, reading my ISO, pulling up my quotes and giving a specific read on them, which is what Bingle did when he cased you. had he instead done tonyou what you’re doing to me, i’d probably be voting him but his thought process and progression on your slot read townie to me and his case seemed valid. and if you are actually town, your extremely sketchy treatment of my slot, gives me no reason to think he’s wrong.

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i asked you why am jester. i asked you why is imaginality town. i told you if you don’t make a decent effort in answering my questions i would vote you and you still won’t. you’re current reponse to to continue not to answer my very reasonable and valid questions and call me scum. why should i townread any of that?

For you, I don't like your adverbs. I thought I explained this?

For Image, it's just a vibe. I feel like they have been very thorough with you and you still push them for some reason *hint* probably because you are Scum.

“adverbs”???? if you weren’t an actual replace in, i’d seriously think you were the jester but i just don’t think anyone whi rands jester replaces out here unless they actually siteflake.

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i asked you why am jester. i asked you why is imaginality town. i told you if you don’t make a decent effort in answering my questions i would vote you and you still won’t. you’re current reponse to to continue not to answer my very reasonable and valid questions and call me scum. why should i townread any of that?

For you, I don't like your adverbs. I thought I explained this?

For Image, it's just a vibe. I feel like they have been very thorough with you and you still push them for some reason *hint* probably because you are Scum.

i explained that i scumread him continue telling me why reaction was “disingenuous” when it’s obviously to anyone who is even remotely capable of correctly reading emotional reactions, that it wasn’t.

i switched my vote to you because you are throwing bs shade at me without making any effort whatsoever to attemp to case me. in case you’re being intentionally dense here: casing means, reading my ISO, pulling up my quotes and giving a specific read on them, which is what Bingle did when he cased you. had he instead done tonyou what you’re doing to me, i’d probably be voting him but his thought process and progression on your slot read townie to me and his case seemed valid. and if you are actually town, your extremely sketchy treatment of my slot, gives me no reason to think he’s wrong.

Sure. Go through your ISO and look at all the adverbs. That's my case on you.

i have no clue what you’re talking about. this is the same way i talk every game i’m in.

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if you’re going to continue to waste my time, i will stop trying to engage you, you are claiming a read on me based on the way i talk every single game i’m in. i once got wrongly sr because of my “formal way of speaking” or something like it. if this is the best that you’ve got, i don’t even know how to respond to that.

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Sad, you are open Jestering at this point.

Spoiler:

Woe to our children if we should fall
Who would answer when they call?
Will we hear them before we die?
When we’re cut down, will they cry?

Sad you’re either being intentionally dense or more likely probably just scum.

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if there’s anyone awake that doesn’t want to make me bang me head against a wall, repeatedly, that would be refreshing.

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if you’re going to continue to waste my time, i will stop trying to engage you, you are claiming a read on me based on the way i talk every single game i’m in. i once got wrongly sr because of my “formal way of speaking” or something like it. if this is the best that you’ve got, i don’t even know how to respond to that.

You have no way to show you do this every game though???

no, because i’m playing on an alt and i won’t out it just to prove you wrong.

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Sad, you are open Jestering at this point.

Spoiler:

Woe to our children if we should fall
Who would answer when they call?
Will we hear them before we die?
When we’re cut down, will they cry?

Where are you guys seeing jester

Looks like genuine frustrated town to me

Sure, I'll call them Town so we don't Yeet them. I'm down for that.

Clearly, a joke that I put a 1 down? Like, no way you are that dense?

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Scum Clem in this game was really really absent, much like here

First instinct is he's scum again but I'm kind of worrying he does this as jester knowing he gets lim'd

Spoiler:

hello im jester
VOTE: sircakez

i promise i'll play slightly more townie than usual
probably

i tend to play more survivory than town because i'm unconfident in my abilities

yep clem is most likely not jester here
Id expect him to be having fun instead of being absent

or maybe that's what i want you to think
~(v-v)~

Scum Clem in this game was really really absent, much like here

First instinct is he's scum again but I'm kind of worrying he does this as jester knowing he gets lim'd

well looking at his iso, he seems to really want you to think he’s jester and i think jester would do more? idk how useful that other game is as a comparison because a jester mechanic affects the way people play. also possible he could also be town? what strikes me is him saying he will play more townie and less survivalistic but he hasn’t done anything townie yet, so there’s an odd kind of self-consciousness to his play here.

198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

could be

198 sounds more town than anything tbh

Jester and scum dont blatantly say that, they go subtly about it

It sounds more like bored town

i’m really not sure what to do but this back and forth on Clemency makes me feel really good about wisdom being likely town, so i think i should just probably sheep your vote.

Bingle, don’t you think this read reversal on Clemency is town indicative for Wisdom? he obviously couldn’t have anticipated i’d post that string of quotes?

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I dislike you pushing they're jester when its like my most confident not-jester read, but since that actually means we both dont want them limd i dont think theres scum motivation in it

if he’s doubling down on this jester read, he’s likely setting me up to be miselimed later no? and how is that any different from what imaginality’s doing?

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How? He isnt calling you scum, just jester

i guess you’re right then.

but what about Bingle’s case on him? i could switch back to imaginality if you really think he could be jester? i just find it bizarre that anyone who signs up for this game who rands jester would replace out for anything other than rl reasons. LQ’s best argument is that i didn’t hate gamma.

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I could see you being jester however, some of your posts feel like you want to enrage mystik and bingle on purpose

No, I read the rules so that is def not what I am doing. I even somewhat apologized to Mystic because I didn't want to give the impression I was trying to be a jerk. I was just trying to have some fun and that's all.

well that makes one of us. i don’t want to talk to you because i already really tried and you just totally blew me off. and now ii don’t care and you non-stop insisting i’m jester, why the hell should i engage with either you or imaginality when neither of you are even fucking listening?

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VOTE: imaginality

as Bingle says he’s “obvscumming” which would make total sense to do if he’s actually jester. i could see LQ as tstbs here and that also would make sense with the jester hunting. the more slots you call out as jester, the greater the odds of achieving that wincon.

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i’m picking up some townie frustration from imaginality but it’s also hard to believe he’s not being intentionally dense, idk.

why cakez?

UNVOTE:

thinking it over, LQ seemed to right out panick when voted, so i don’t think he’s jester.

howevet imaginality i almost want to policy you for trying to get Wisdom to out my alt. that’s super gross of you.

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i don’t think Cakez is jester but i’m not sure he’s scum. i still think LQ is the scummiest.

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i think Clem is either town or jester, he doesn’t seem like scum to me.

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I do [have another reason for scum reading Bingle] but it's secret for now

@Cakez if you're around: Probably good to share your other reason with us soon in case you end up today's lim.

imaginality could be tone deaf town. it’s just hard to tell since his reaction to me was so ridiculous.

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@Mystik, I am the type of person who pretty much never loses their cool.

your self meta means nothing to me here, since you completely ignored mine.

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if you’re the kind of player who values self meta, then you should be consistent about that. i still think you’re more likely scum here than not and was trying to look like jester yesterday but betrayed yourself with your reactions to both me and Bingle. I could definitely see imaginality being a pocket.

in a nutshell, your reaction to me last night didn’t look townie. i will re-ISO you to see if your jester hunting looks real or fake.

i’m not entirely opposed to Cakez but i’m not sure he can’t be town with what i think are bad reads. i think Cakez is still probably better than Clemency anyway.

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Thought it over. I don't think there is a very good chance Clem is Jester.

see you don’t say anything about whether or not you think he’s more likely to be town or scum. all you care about is you thinking he’s not jester.

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This kind of close to Elim push always ends in scum favour
Just lim clem

i agree with exactly half of this, the first part. gtmh, i think Cakez probably believes Bingle is scum more likely than he’s actually scum here.

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This kind of close to Elim push always ends in scum favour
Just lim clem

i agree with exactly half of this, the first part. gtmh, i think Cakez probably believes Bingle is scum more likely than he’s actually scum here.

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I could see you being jester however, some of your posts feel like you want to enrage mystik and bingle on purpose

No, I read the rules so that is def not what I am doing. I even somewhat apologized to Mystic because I didn't want to give the impression I was trying to be a jerk. I was just trying to have some fun and that's all.

it’s blatantly obvious that’s exactly what you were doing. how is acting like an asshat to me your idea of fun?

and you did that AFTER i switched my vote to you, which makes me think fake jester.

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Wisdom feels slightly town, that’s my first read

His positions feel pretty nuanced rn

What does it tell you if it’s real?

the entire ISO doesn’t feel scummy to me.

Really? I think it comes across as being very meh. The wisdom read came when people were starting to share reads and was pretty fencesitty. Thinking the reads were nuanced but not commenting on them or looking into if they were real (it took literally two clicks for me to see that imaginality wasn't posting in public areas of the site) does not fill me with a wholesome town impression. Asking about what I want to know about his own potential slip also doesn't seem town at any level and is very surface level posting from any alignment. Note: none of this is a reason to scumread Gamma, but I wouldn't townread it at all.

casing lq, i’m currently leaning town on him and i disagree with Bingle that jester hunting is necessarily scum indicative because town also loses if they mistakenly lim jester.

It’s only scummy if they are not also looking for scum

and since i do think it’s very possible that imaginality could be jester here, i question the confidence in the votes there.

before gamma replaced out, my read on them was town or jester. i really didn’t see much in his ISO that was agenday and i don’t really get scum vibes from lq, so idk if the rationale behind votes on him. are based off of Gamma unlikely replacing out as jester and it’s just a safe vote?

Exactly my point: Look at 107.

The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

Based on how the game is going so far, I think

we just Lim Scummy people. I have like 3 jester reads

at this point: Cakes, Image, Mystik.

I had Mystic and Wisdom as Jester reads but then ISO'd to make sure and I reevaluated.

We should lim scum. Also, let me tell you about all of my Jester reads.

TRs on Wisdom, Meg, and Bingle, but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around. This could just be a bad take though, IDK.

Wisdom's 27 is not really fakable, so I'm willing to call this lack of TMI. I don't think this is the sort of thing Scum will fake. Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game.

I like 68 from Meg. Blatantly saying they think their post is Townie seems cocky. IDK if Meg has the stones for that sort of thing as Mafia.

Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might just

actually

be LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.

These are my townreads, but also let me cast doubt on all of them so that it'll be easy to backtrack. Also, (and this came from the beginning of the post but fits better here):

The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

TOWNREADS AREN'T WORTH MUCH. HERE ARE MY TOWNREADS.

On the second ISO of Mystik, I can see them as Jester. They seem to have some takes just off-center enough to make it look like they are bad Town - enough that it looks like they are Scum. If you're Town, then just take it as me not wanting to Lim you.

That just leaves Clemency. So I guess I will go there since they have no content yet.

VOTE: Clemency

Oh, look. More Jester reads.

And, at the end of this, what does he do? Votes LHF. Not because Clemency is scum, but because he's not one of the townreads LQ is actively shading and thinks can't be trusted but because LQ has decided everyone else is either town or Jester. He's not scumhunting at all.

How about we flip Clem and then we can see who is not looking at things with biased eyes?

My Jester reads were reads I thought were possible to be Jester. Am I supposed to have more Mafia Reads than Jester reads for some reason? I'd like you to go back and look at a Scum game of mine (don't care which one) and try and see if I am this bad WITH READS as Mafia. Go ahead. Look for where I do a RL and tell me they are as wack as you are suggesting I am doing in this game. Like, pretty sure RL are quite easily fakable as Scum. So if you really think I am this bad as Mafia that I can't even formulate decent (manipulative) reads as Mafia, then you got me. But that's not gonna happen brodha, because it's one of the only things I'm good at as Mafia is throwing people off the scent of Scum as Mafia as Mafia. Take me up on this. Will take you 5 minutes. Else, I will just share my own examples. The choice is yours.

I agree that LQ isn't likely Jester, not because of the GE replace, (although if I squint I can see the argument he'd be more excited to play if he'd rolled the namesake role I think GE wouldn't let something like that effect her and this is probably just a regular NAI replace) but because he comes across as trying to convince me not to scumread him genuinely.

I also think that imagine is not Jester, given that I'm getting buddying feels there. I'd probably be willing to vote him if LQ wasn't obvscumming so hard.

Where is this "LQ is playing the long game" post, because I'm not seeing it

But seriously, Mystik is reaching obvjester territory.

Disagree, looks like town to me now

This is a solid read if it is who I think it is. I won’t be naming my guess as I have a personal policy against outing alts (even as a guess), but I’m pretty sure this is town spiral.

Sanity check my LQ case?

I really don't think Mystik is going to reply to this, because they are Jester.

see look at this post. why does LQ even reference me here? Bingle addressed this to Wisdom, not me.

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Because your read is based on a misrep. Do you think Scum likes to misrep people? Because I don't.

possible tmi on imaginality?

i don’t think LQ/imaginality are svs here.

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iirc jester doesn’t endgame in this but I think it’s good to get a refresh
I’ll probably read the setup myself but if anyone wants to spare me that but of effort I’d appreciate it!

What does it tell you if it’s real?

this makes me think Gamma isn’t jester.

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imaginality are you scum or just being intentionally dumb? no offense but i really can’t tell anymore but i think LQ avoiding my questions is seriously scummy, which is why i switched my vote.

I don't interact with Scum.

LQ calling me scum here after continually insisting i’m jester. lololol

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VOTE: LQ

i don’t think Cakez is scum here.

i think LQ is really obvious scum now.

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VOTE: LQ

I'd normally say this is a Scum claim, but we are in a Jester game after all.

again, not something you would expect a jester to say. after being off the charts scummy af, he calls my voting him as a “scumclaim” when i made it beyond obvious that i would vote him if he refused to answer my questions.

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i asked you why am jester. i asked you why is imaginality town. i told you if you don’t make a decent effort in answering my questions i would vote you and you still won’t. you’re current reponse to to continue not to answer my very reasonable and valid questions and call me scum. why should i townread any of that?

For you, I don't like your adverbs. I thought I explained this?

For Image, it's just a vibe. I feel like they have been very thorough with you and you still push them for some reason *hint* probably because you are Scum.

i asked you why am jester. i asked you why is imaginality town. i told you if you don’t make a decent effort in answering my questions i would vote you and you still won’t. you’re current reponse to to continue not to answer my very reasonable and valid questions and call me scum. why should i townread any of that?

For you, I don't like your adverbs. I thought I explained this?

For Image, it's just a vibe. I feel like they have been very thorough with you and you still push them for some reason *hint* probably because you are Scum.

i explained that i scumread him continue telling me why reaction was “disingenuous” when it’s obviously to anyone who is even remotely capable of correctly reading emotional reactions, that it wasn’t.

i switched my vote to you because you are throwing bs shade at me without making any effort whatsoever to attemp to case me. in case you’re being intentionally dense here: casing means, reading my ISO, pulling up my quotes and giving a specific read on them, which is what Bingle did when he cased you. had he instead done tonyou what you’re doing to me, i’d probably be voting him but his thought process and progression on your slot read townie to me and his case seemed valid. and if you are actually town, your extremely sketchy treatment of my slot, gives me no reason to think he’s wrong.

Sure. Go through your ISO and look at all the adverbs. That's my case on you.

again, another exemplary town post. he doesn’t provide any real reasons, so he probably just believes i really am jester. that’s what got me thinking last night, imaginality despite being inexplicably tone deaf, actually gave reasons for his bad read on me.

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Sad, you are open Jestering at this point.

Spoiler:

Woe to our children if we should fall
Who would answer when they call?
Will we hear them before we die?
When we’re cut down, will they cry?

this could be a tmi read, since if he’s scum, he obviously knows i can only be town or jester.

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oh and why is imaginality town?

why are you not answering my imaginality question? i’m seriously considering switching my vote to you now. you’re ignoring my questions.

VOTE: LQ

Wow, a whole 29 minutes of ignoring your question, clearly deserving a vote. I mean come on, not even Dominos promise to deliver that quickly.

he’s still not answering any of my questions. i think it’s scummy that LQ continues to shade me without referencing and/or analyzing any of my quotes. you’re take on me still sucks as well but at least you’re not blatantly avoiding my questions.

Everyone has so much to say
They talk, talk, talk their lives away
Don't even hesitate
Walking on down to the burial ground
It's a very old dance with a merry old sound
Looks like it's on today

cool, now you’re just open wolfing.

Yes, clearly, that is what it is. SMHMH.

another response that doesn’t look jestery to me.

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oh and why is imaginality town?

why are you not answering my imaginality question? i’m seriously considering switching my vote to you now. you’re ignoring my questions.

VOTE: LQ

Wow, a whole 29 minutes of ignoring your question, clearly deserving a vote. I mean come on, not even Dominos promise to deliver that quickly.

he’s still not answering any of my questions. i think it’s scummy that LQ continues to shade me without referencing and/or analyzing any of my quotes. you’re take on me still sucks as well but at least you’re not blatantly avoiding my questions.

this is why i wasn’t feeling good about leaving my vote on imaginality.

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they don't die before D4.

D4 is the day that we no longer have to worry about jesters. Explicitly, wisdoms play here mirrors his play the last time he was a jester exactly.

I do think he’s more town than scum, but that’s not at all what that post suggested and I wasn’t burying that lead at all. Claiming you didn’t get that is basically admitting you weren’t reading my posts critically.

Your iso contains literally nothing about clem actually being a scumread before I called you out for not scumhunting. The angle of “Well akshually I scumread him for a lack of content” came AFTER the callout. Beforehand, he was just the only player you didn’t call town or jester in the entire player list. You, in fact, said literally nothing about him.

You’re also trying to paint me as just assuming you’re not jester when I pretty clearly made the case to why you were playing a survivalistic game.

But yeah, your inability to quote a scumread precallout kinda speaks for itself, now don’t it?

so he suddenly switched it up to try and convince us all he rolled jester and now nobody wants to vote him. ingenious.

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VOTE: LQ

Cakez was so obviously town.

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people make this mistake all the time i games tho. scum would win every game if that were the case. it’s do you think the player actually believes in what he’s saying and i believe Cakez did.

Clemency wouldn’t have been a much better vote because he’s more likely town than not and more likely jester than scum.

in that game Wisdom, linked Clemency was tryharding, which he clearly isn’t doing here.

I think LQ sounds informed and doesn’t believe most of what he’s saying but I do believe his jester read on me was tmi, because he knows I can’t be mafia.

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2 players that aren't myself is more likely jester than not whether I'm town or scum

I was not going to vote their but discuss it by I did accidentally and just decided to go with it. (I had drafted the post with that in mind but then changed it but forgot to delete the vote)

but Meg, you told him to

hammer

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VOTE: Cakez

LQ do you want to just hammer Cakez, it's better than doubling our odds of getting jesters by keeping 2 people at the same count

Because if we keep clem/cakez at 3 to 3 either can self vote next to dl to win as jest

I feel like this train of thought carries a little TMI, as if Meg knows those two are not scum and thus are likely to be jester

VOTE: meg

I think this is a good call. I get the sense Meg was happy for anyone to be limmed. The only thing pointing against that was when Meg said a late change in wagon is usually to scum's advantage but that could have been an attempt to paint Cakez wagoners as scummy knowing Cakez would flip town.

VOTE: Meg

If Meg is scum, I have a tinfoil theory about who Meg's partner is.

if this is on par with your jester hunting skills, can’t wait.

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I asked them if they wanted to

Hammering someone is statistically the best move to make as either alignment

At least in this setup

no because scum wins by achieving parity with town and Cakez was really town and if lim another town today, it puts town at a huge disadvantage like Bingle said.

honestly before you made those posts yesterday, you were my strongest guess as jester. i just feel we’re allowing obvscum to escape once again. at any rate LQ is 100% tming on my slot. he knows i’m not scum, that much is blatantly obvious.

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iirc jester doesn’t endgame in this but I think it’s good to get a refresh
I’ll probably read the setup myself but if anyone wants to spare me that but of effort I’d appreciate it!

What does it tell you if it’s real?

would jester!Gamma really make these posts?

he’s strongly hinting that he’s not jester here. could it be wifom, sure but then you have LQ adamant that i not be limmed. like why does jester!LQ take such a strong stance on me being jester, if it’s him? sure i’m not his ONLY jester suspect but i don’t think he’s been doubling down so much on anyone else, so it’s hard not to assume he actually believes this.

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jester read on me was tmi, because he knows I can’t be mafia.

How can my read on you that you are Jester be TMI if you are Town?

are you being intentionally dense here?

if you are mafia, you know i obviously can’t be. duh

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VOTE: LQ

Cakez was so obviously town.

Cakes was not obviously anything. I felt they were Town but Cakes didn't have much content. So no, Cakes was not obviously Town. When you say "obviously" here that's what I was talking about with the adverb thing. You are grossly overstating things in a way I think Jester would do.

again, none of this is ai for me. but why does that necessarily make me jester and not scum to you? answer: no reason. if you honestly found that suspicious which it definitely isn’t for me, why would you lock me down as jester? because i think you’re scum who knows i’m not mafia. in fact, you seemed to be so convinced i absolutely had to be jester that you hard vetoed my being limmed.

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honestly before you made those posts yesterday, you were my strongest guess as jester.

Meg was? Why? I feel like she has no jester pings whatsoever

Her earliest posts read jestery to me but i obviously don’t think that anymore as her recent posts make no sense as jester.

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Bingle has surprisingly few takes on players in this game.

Not publishing a reads list =/= not having takes, but don't let the truth stop your narrative.

Bingle if you know who i am then you also know that i know, that having a readslist is the best way to sort you.

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Bingle has surprisingly few takes on players in this game.

Not publishing a reads list =/= not having takes, but don't let the truth stop your narrative.

Then where are your takes on players? I don't see them in the thread. You're going to lose this game singlehandedly if your Town here by tunneling me. The game will be on your head. I don't think you are incapable of generating a TR on me. I feel I've been pretty obviously Town based on my takes of Mystic, reading Wisdom as Town as strongly as I have, not wanting to Lim Cakes, among other things. But you have surprisingly few takes outside of me being Scum, which I'm not so you're either bad or Scum and I don't think you are bad at this game given your early analysis talk. I asked you to look at how I give reads on players as Scum. Have you done that before, or are you still burying your head in the sand there?

you’re seriously kidding right?

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VOTE: Clem

why is Clem a better lim than Meg?

do you townread Meg and why?

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jester read on me was tmi, because he knows I can’t be mafia.

How can my read on you that you are Jester be TMI if you are Town?

are you being intentionally dense here?

if you are mafia, you know i obviously can’t be. duh

That makes no sense! How can I know you are not Jester if I am Mafia?

Mystik, you going to respond to this or no?

why are you being deliberately obtuse? you don’t know whether i’m jester or town but you would know i’m not mafia.

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I make no apologies for doing what I did at dl.
I wasn't going to let evil parties take advantage of an unstable games tate at dl. It would be borderline GT at that point.

can you give us some reads?

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D3 after flipping another townie we have to pick a universal town/jest read and all agree to sheep that person in order to have a shot at winning.Scum can't out because if Jest doesn't play ball with them they're just fucked, so they'll probably go along with the plan. If we pick Jester they're fucked. If we pick scum we lose. If we pick town we have a 40% chance to not lose.

Why are we waiting to Lim Scum again? Like, I don't get this strat that we just Lim anyone who isn't Jest. We should be looking at who is Scum.

So who is scum to you other than Clemency, because most of your reads have been jester reads?

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jester read on me was tmi, because he knows I can’t be mafia.

How can my read on you that you are Jester be TMI if you are Town?

are you being intentionally dense here?

if you are mafia, you know i obviously can’t be. duh

That makes no sense! How can I know you are not Jester if I am Mafia?

Mystik, you going to respond to this or no?

why are you being deliberately obtuse? you don’t know whether i’m jester or town but you would know i’m not mafia.

Then how is it a TMI read? It's literally not. I've given my reasons for thinking this. I don't know who your main is. It's literally not a TMI read. IDK what you are but I don't think you are Mafia. Just because I don't think you are Mafia doesn't automatically mean the read is TMI. I have no idea who your main is.

Now, please, answer the question.

i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

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I like you, bingle and LQ for not mafia.
Scumreads have been really bare this game for me.
I was hoping for some more movement on wagons to read into but it just hit dl instead.

why can’t LQ be mafia and do you read me as town or jester? i have trouble believing Clemency is scum because who would their buddy be?

i know i’m town and Wisdom is my strongest tr and we have been the only ones not voting him, so unless you’re theory is scum is bussing him, where are the associatives? based off of your reads, they’re are none.

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

if you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are not Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

Not

EBWOP

your certainly on my being jester and not considering that i could be town. that’s definitely what you were doing last night, was it not?

it just feels like you KNOW i can’t be scum.

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

IF

you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

How do you know I am Mafia?

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are not Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

Not

EBWOP

your certainly on my being jester and not considering that i could be town. that’s definitely what you were doing last night, was it not?

it just feels like you KNOW i can’t be scum.

Yes, that was before I knew what your main was like via Wisdom. I had a valid read, but somehow everything I say confirms I am Mafia to you.

it’s hard not to think that after the way you treated me yesterday and i’m pretty damned certain that the converse would also hold if i had done that to you.

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

IF

you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

How do you know I am Mafia?

Everything you have said about me recently is that I am Mafia. Yes, clearly I was jumping to conclusions there. /s

so why quote a post, where I clearly said “if” then?

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are not Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

Not

EBWOP

your certainly on my being jester and not considering that i could be town. that’s definitely what you were doing last night, was it not?

it just feels like you KNOW i can’t be scum.

Yes, that was before I knew what your main was like via Wisdom. I had a valid read, but somehow everything I say confirms I am Mafia to you.

it’s hard not to think that after the way you treated me yesterday and i’m pretty damned certain that the converse would also hold if i had done that to you.

I didn't want to respond to everything you said to me because frankly, I find you annoying.

that’s something scum often says to me when i’m town.

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

IF

you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

How do you know I am Mafia?

Everything you have said about me recently is that I am Mafia. Yes, clearly I was jumping to conclusions there. /s

so why quote a post, where I clearly said “if” then?

Are you even reading what I am saying to you? You are literally voting me because you think I am Mafia. Your read on me is that I am Mafia. Just because you frame the statement as "If" doesn't mean you have a very strong read that I am Mafia. You can say "If" but if you really mean you are so sure I am Mafia, then you use "If" for very little reason.

How about this, how sure are you I am Mafia on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is totally sure and 1 is seeing no possibility of it?

the fact that you keep deflecting here and ignoring what i just said about the extremely scummy way you interacted with me yesterday speaks volumes and your only response is a lame-ass you find me “annoying”? do you think i care if the obectively scummiest slot to interact with me finds me annoying? no i honestly don’t gaf.

i think based off of both your play and Bingle’s case on you, you have the highest scum equity to me in this game. and unlike imaginality who had some takes i could possibly see as townie, i’m still waiting to see that from you. if i’m wrong here, then it’s on you for not doing anything to make me think i’m wrong on you.

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that’s something scum often says to me when i’m town.

Well, you are annoying. And again, somehow everything I do confirms I am Mafia to you. You could not be any more biased than you already are, and that's why you are annoying.

whstever you are here, your arrogance and hypocrisy is astounding.

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Like its another thing discussing the setup in mafia discussion and going "oh, 3-3 tie close to deadline is bad because jester will vote and get the lim"
and another to actually be a player in the game with reads and encourage LQ to hammer Cakez because of said theory

?

It's not a theory thing.

If Clem and Cakez are tied at 3 votes at deadline and EITHER of them is jester, town loses the game. It makes total sense to argue for a hammer on the player you think is less likely to be jester. It makes just as much sense to argue for a vote to break the deadlock if you're unsure which is jester. Risking the game on one player will always be better than risking the game on two players.

the obvious problem with that theory, is the exact same thing is also true for scum, so all this telling me is that she can’t be jester not why she’s town?

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i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

IF

you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

How do you know I am Mafia?

Everything you have said about me recently is that I am Mafia. Yes, clearly I was jumping to conclusions there. /s

so why quote a post, where I clearly said “if” then?

Are you even reading what I am saying to you? You are literally voting me because you think I am Mafia. Your read on me is that I am Mafia. Just because you frame the statement as "If" doesn't mean you have a very strong read that I am Mafia. You can say "If" but if you really mean you are so sure I am Mafia, then you use "If" for very little reason.

How about this, how sure are you I am Mafia on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is totally sure and 1 is seeing no possibility of it?

the fact that you keep deflecting here and ignoring what i just said about the extremely scummy way you interacted with me yesterday speaks volumes and your only response is a lame-ass you find me “annoying”? do you think i care if the obectively scummiest slot to interact with me finds me annoying? no i honestly don’t gaf.

i think based off of both your play and Bingle’s case on you, you have the highest scum equity to me in this game. and unlike imaginality who had some takes i could possibly see as townie, i’m still waiting to see that from you. if i’m wrong here, then it’s on you for not doing anything to make me think i’m wrong on you.

Fine. Then when I flip Town you can eat sour grapes.

i really don’t know why you expect me to tr any of this because of your hypocrisy regarding me. why would you expect me to think that makes any sense?

also after the sketchy way you treated me last night, i don’t understand why you’d even be mad about that if i’m wrong? if the situation were reversed, i’d be doing a major mea culpa to you now but for whatever reason you’re not, which makes me wonder why you’re reacting this way to me. it’s almost like you have selective amnesia or something.

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Why do you tr Imaginality

The only reason I dont want him dead is because he might be jester

he definitely could be, his not seeing that i could be town here is concerning but he said enough things to make me possibly think he could still be town, so idk.

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@Mystic, I was hard Jester reading you for what you said last night because everything you said was so freaking OTT.

But the way you treated me was so OTT scummy. you pretty much ignored everything i was saying to you. like it’s hard to ignore that.

so what is your current read on me?

the way you’ve been currently interacting with me sounds like you’re very strongly tr me, yet you don’t have me as a tr. because why do you tell jester that they would feel bad if you flip town?

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UNVOTE:

for now but still salty about last night but whatever.

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@Mystic, I was hard Jester reading you for what you said last night because everything you said was so freaking OTT.

But the way you treated me was so OTT scummy. you pretty much ignored everything i was saying to you. like it’s hard to ignore that.

so what is your current read on me?

the way you’ve been currently interacting with me sounds like you’re very strongly tr me, yet you don’t have me as a tr. because why do you tell jester that they would feel bad if you flip town?

I'm slightly TRing you for flipping a gasket when I called you Jester and I don't think you would have carried on this long this hard if you are Jester, but it's not a strong TR, so stop putting words in my mouth.

And you are seriously annoying to deal with because you are so biased and I make no apologies about that.

you should if you’re actually town here and don’t want to be a hypocrite but that’s on you.

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the only real bias i have is Wisdom town, that’s probably the only read i’m hard wedded to.

why are you voting Bingle? it does make me think you’re probably not jester because jester is unlikely to omgus.

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@Mystic, I was hard Jester reading you for what you said last night because everything you said was so freaking OTT.

But the way you treated me was so OTT scummy. you pretty much ignored everything i was saying to you. like it’s hard to ignore that.

so what is your current read on me?

the way you’ve been currently interacting with me sounds like you’re very strongly tr me, yet you don’t have me as a tr. because why do you tell jester that they would feel bad if you flip town?

I'm slightly TRing you for flipping a gasket when I called you Jester and I don't think you would have carried on this long this hard if you are Jester, but it's not a strong TR, so stop putting words in my mouth.

And you are seriously annoying to deal with because you are so biased and I make no apologies about that.

you should if you’re actually town here and don’t want to be a hypocrite but that’s on you.

How am I being a hypocrite? Like you say these buzzword-type things All. The. Time. And I have no idea how to make sense of that.

because the exact same things you keep accusing me of: being biased, is exactly what you were yesterday but unlike you, i have at least respectfully tried to respond to your questions and not ignore you. if you’re town here, you should never treat anyone like you treated me yesterday because then they won’t want to work with you.

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Like i dont remember scum bingle pushing mislims like this
But i dont think town bingle still scumreads lq here

Or, Bingle is just baiting me to vote Meg here so he can hammer Town!Meg.

maybe you are town and were just being a jerk to me last night?

Bingle, why are you so certain LQ is scum?

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@Mystic, I was hard Jester reading you for what you said last night because everything you said was so freaking OTT.

But the way you treated me was so OTT scummy. you pretty much ignored everything i was saying to you. like it’s hard to ignore that.

so what is your current read on me?

the way you’ve been currently interacting with me sounds like you’re very strongly tr me, yet you don’t have me as a tr. because why do you tell jester that they would feel bad if you flip town?

I'm slightly TRing you for flipping a gasket when I called you Jester and I don't think you would have carried on this long this hard if you are Jester, but it's not a strong TR, so stop putting words in my mouth.

And you are seriously annoying to deal with because you are so biased and I make no apologies about that.

you should if you’re actually town here and don’t want to be a hypocrite but that’s on you.

How am I being a hypocrite? Like you say these buzzword-type things All. The. Time. And I have no idea how to make sense of that.

because the exact same things you keep accusing me of: being biased, is exactly what you were yesterday but unlike you, i have at least respectfully tried to respond to your questions and not ignore you. if you’re town here, you should never treat anyone like you treated me yesterday because then they won’t want to work with you.

My dismissal of you is not the same as bias. It just means I don't care to engage with your biases.

i had no bias BEFORE you did that, that came after.

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for now but still salty about last night but whatever.

He's scum, MS.

It's fucking obvious, don't let his halfassed defense sway you.

Disagree and think this might be a Bingle jester sign

It's too obvious for Bingle to be Jester here.

i’ve seen him make this kind of post as town.

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Like i dont remember scum bingle pushing mislims like this
But i dont think town bingle still scumreads lq here

Or, Bingle is just baiting me to vote Meg here so he can hammer Town!Meg.

maybe you are town and were just being a jerk to me last night?

Bingle, why are you so certain LQ is scum?

I was in no way being a jerk. I was just having fun. Seriously, I explained this. I never said anything bad to you except that you are being annoying. My dismissal of you shouldn't be taken as me being a jerk because it was clear (at the time) you were not really evaluating me fairly.

Yeah you really were. you’re treatment of me last night was really fucking disrespectful. i honestly don’t know how you’re not seeing that.

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k, i don’t want to be mean but if this game is any indication, you seem to have a self-awareness problem. you might have been having fun but it was totally at my expense. anyway, no point in continuing to bear a dead horse. i think you do owe me an apology here but i obviously can’t force you to do that. meh

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Can you two stop fighting already
You're most likely both town and what youre doing is just hurting the game

well, i don’t think Meg is jester but i’m not convinced she can’t be town so i’m not going to rush my vote.

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This kind of close to Elim push always ends in scum favour
Just lim clem

VOTE: Cakez

LQ do you want to just hammer Cakez, it's better than doubling our odds of getting jesters by keeping 2 people at the same count

why didn’t you try to get more votes on Clemency then?

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If cakes flips red I'm happy to die to lower jester win odds

why would you make this post? if Cakez had flipped red, why would anyone be wanting to vote you after that?

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Bingle, why are you so certain LQ is scum?

You mean besides the clearly survivalist behavior, the complete fabrication of what's going on ITT, the fact that he didn't do any scumhunting until directly called out for not scumhunting and then revised his PoE nullread into a lockscum read so strong he won't even reconsider it when one of his locktown reads disagrees vehemently, the blatant 'woe is me I'm always scumread' ATE and the willingness to lim someone he's townreading on the basis that he's then going to get a lim on another player who his case on is "Well he's not doing anything."?

I hacked his account and read his role PM.

alright but he’s doing it now and who do you think his buddy is? i’m assuming still imaginality?

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I hacked his account and read his role PM.

did it say who's he scum with?

It did but I don't want to make my cheating too obvious.

wut

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I wouldn't be surprised by imagine or Meg. There's a slight tinfoil it's Clem and this is a turbobus for cred, but I don't know why he wouldn't have taken the free meg hammer there.

so why the sudden 180 on Meg then? i thought you were tr her?

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Thats fine
I'll also gladly lim Imaginality
Even if meg is red, given his bussing tendencies

imaginality is most likely jester unless Bingle is.

Meg and LQ are definitely not jester.

i think Clemency probably doesn’t care enough about the game to be either.

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The LQ - Mystik stoush today reminds me somewhat of me-Mystik yesterday.

I notice LQ has a townread on me and Wisdom in #540 and wondering how much of that is just because we were voting Meg rather than him.

Also I wonder if phrasing this "how do you know" rather than "why do you think" is a slip:

i’ve already answered your question twice now. if you are mafia, you know i’m not your buddy. therefore you know i have to be either town or jester.

That just means I'm guilty until proven innocent. I'm Mafia so I know you are Mafia because I'm Mafia. It's a circular argument.

wut

if you’re mafia, you obviously know i’m not. if you’re goal is to cause me to have a headache, it’s working.

How do you know I am Mafia?

Don't talk about slips unless they are actually a slip.

I don't give a rip about you not voting for me. I knew I was never getting Limmed D1.

why are you so defensive to every single read you dislike? don’t you think this reaction is kind’ve OTT? i mean if imaginality is that offbase, then why get this bent out of shape?

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My reaction to Mystik is incredibly Townie if you consider why I was Jester reading them. But you don't want to look at the context of any of my reads for some reason.

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is. Other people can see it, why can't you?

Is it the OMGUS retraction of a townread on me as soon as I started pushing him?

Yeah, cuz your read on me conveniently dismisses all the Townie things I have done in this game.

It's notoriously easy to dismiss things that don't exist.

It's notoriously easy to get caught in a tunnel as well, which you are clearly doing at this point.

Is it the assertions that "It's okay, I'm scummy as town and even more scummy as scum. Just go do a bunch of busywork reading second hand games and it'll be obvious!"

Blatant misrep. In any case, if you're not willing to fact-check me on this, you don't really have a valid read here and I can dismiss this as biased colored glasses. I didn't even say I was Scummy as Town, I said I was weird as Town but weirder as Scum, which admittedly, I just looked through a game I replaced into a game as Scum and went from my pred being the main suspect to turning the slot completely around and winning in F3, but that's neither here nor there. I just said that because I rarely have a Scum game I'm not Limmed in. But the thing you are not seeing is that no one else at this point is Mafia reading me. So you mean to tell me you're the only Town in this game who can read me properly when you won't even fact check me on my meta? Hilarious.

Your self meta is garbage. Just like all self meta is garbage. If you can say "I would never be doing this as scum" and be correct then you're actively cheating. If you're not correct than it's useless noise. But your argument here is "You're wrong to scumread me because I'm always scumread as scum, therefore you're scum."

I guess semantics is the best you got at this point. And that's not my argument. My argument is that other people are not seeing me as Scum and you are the ONLY ONE who is Scum reading me for these things. Wisdom said I should be held off until D4. Image seems to think I'm not a good Lim either. And Mystik has changed their mind on me because of my Townie reaction to their pressure on me, which you deny, but the person who was actively pressuring me has changed their mind. So what does that tell you exactly?

Is it the dismissal of everyone who was even posting as town or Jester in order to push the single person least likely to be able to put up a defense?

If you are referring to Clem, my reasons for Mafia reading them never went away. Who's a better push for me FYPOV? I would be down for voting Meg, but it's too early in the day. Clem is totally free to post anytime they wish. No one is preventing them from posting. And until I see a reason not to Mafia read them, I will continue to do so.

Are you fucking kidding me with this?

Yes, totally joking. What are you going to say next? "Oh, Clem is Townie. No reason to suspect Clem at all."

Is it the making shit up about what I've said or done?

Again, your own words fight against you here.

You said you wouldn't vote Meg if you were partnered with them here

. So somehow the strat of hammering anything that doesn't self hammer makes you Town? When you said yourself you would stick to the strategy in this game AND the NEXT game? Like you probably have done previously? Yeah, that's NOT a reason to TR you bucko.

Literally the opposite of what I said. Literally the opposite of what I clarified. Literally the opposite of what imagine clarified. Literally the opposite of the meaning you yourself are demonstrating knowledge of. Like, I can't see a world where this isn't a play designed to convince people you're a Jester, but that ship has sailed. No way a jester is flailing this hard under any amount of pressure.

I wouldn't clearly mean what it says. Unless you actually said you WOULD lime them, but then I don't know why that conversation even happened in the first place.

I've been playing as Pro-Town all game. What are you even smoking? IDRC if you SR me here. My Lim will just show you are Mafia at this point.

Is it the blatant gaslighting about things that didn't actually happen in the thread?

I actually misread a lot of things because I have ADHD so badly and am better at just stating things in real-time and going back and rereading. I haven't reread much yet this game except once I reread the thread and gave my takes on things that had already been said. But I prefer interacting in real time since I just don't do well when catching up usually.

"It's cool that I'm consistently ignoring everything you say, I'm probably just misreading every single post you make."

Just giving you facts you don't know how to handle, apparently.

Cause I've kinda run out of things he's done this game and haven't seen a single fucking towntell in the list.

That's because you are living with blinders on considering other people have been able to find me as Town just fine.

It's almost like the entire post you're responding to is asking what said people (read: Wisdom, and only Wisdom) are townreading.[/quote][/Quote]

I'm pretty sure other people are NOT SRing me because you're the only one voting me cheif.[/quote]

excuse me, I’m extremely certain I never said that i thought the way you interacted with me last night was townie, in fact I’ve maintained the exact opposite of that.

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My reaction to Mystik is incredibly Townie if you consider why I was Jester reading them. But you don't want to look at the context of any of my reads for some reason.

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is. Other people can see it, why can't you?

Is it the OMGUS retraction of a townread on me as soon as I started pushing him?

Yeah, cuz your read on me conveniently dismisses all the Townie things I have done in this game.

It's notoriously easy to dismiss things that don't exist.

It's notoriously easy to get caught in a tunnel as well, which you are clearly doing at this point.

Is it the assertions that "It's okay, I'm scummy as town and even more scummy as scum. Just go do a bunch of busywork reading second hand games and it'll be obvious!"

Blatant misrep. In any case, if you're not willing to fact-check me on this, you don't really have a valid read here and I can dismiss this as biased colored glasses. I didn't even say I was Scummy as Town, I said I was weird as Town but weirder as Scum, which admittedly, I just looked through a game I replaced into a game as Scum and went from my pred being the main suspect to turning the slot completely around and winning in F3, but that's neither here nor there. I just said that because I rarely have a Scum game I'm not Limmed in. But the thing you are not seeing is that no one else at this point is Mafia reading me. So you mean to tell me you're the only Town in this game who can read me properly when you won't even fact check me on my meta? Hilarious.

Your self meta is garbage. Just like all self meta is garbage. If you can say "I would never be doing this as scum" and be correct then you're actively cheating. If you're not correct than it's useless noise. But your argument here is "You're wrong to scumread me because I'm always scumread as scum, therefore you're scum."

I guess semantics is the best you got at this point. And that's not my argument. My argument is that other people are not seeing me as Scum and you are the ONLY ONE who is Scum reading me for these things. Wisdom said I should be held off until D4. Image seems to think I'm not a good Lim either. And Mystik has changed their mind on me because of my Townie reaction to their pressure on me, which you deny, but the person who was actively pressuring me has changed their mind. So what does that tell you exactly?

Is it the dismissal of everyone who was even posting as town or Jester in order to push the single person least likely to be able to put up a defense?

If you are referring to Clem, my reasons for Mafia reading them never went away. Who's a better push for me FYPOV? I would be down for voting Meg, but it's too early in the day. Clem is totally free to post anytime they wish. No one is preventing them from posting. And until I see a reason not to Mafia read them, I will continue to do so.

Are you fucking kidding me with this?

Yes, totally joking. What are you going to say next? "Oh, Clem is Townie. No reason to suspect Clem at all."

Is it the making shit up about what I've said or done?

Again, your own words fight against you here.

You said you wouldn't vote Meg if you were partnered with them here

. So somehow the strat of hammering anything that doesn't self hammer makes you Town? When you said yourself you would stick to the strategy in this game AND the NEXT game? Like you probably have done previously? Yeah, that's NOT a reason to TR you bucko.

Literally the opposite of what I said. Literally the opposite of what I clarified. Literally the opposite of what imagine clarified. Literally the opposite of the meaning you yourself are demonstrating knowledge of. Like, I can't see a world where this isn't a play designed to convince people you're a Jester, but that ship has sailed. No way a jester is flailing this hard under any amount of pressure.

I wouldn't clearly mean what it says. Unless you actually said you WOULD lime them, but then I don't know why that conversation even happened in the first place.

I've been playing as Pro-Town all game. What are you even smoking? IDRC if you SR me here. My Lim will just show you are Mafia at this point.

Is it the blatant gaslighting about things that didn't actually happen in the thread?

I actually misread a lot of things because I have ADHD so badly and am better at just stating things in real-time and going back and rereading. I haven't reread much yet this game except once I reread the thread and gave my takes on things that had already been said. But I prefer interacting in real time since I just don't do well when catching up usually.

"It's cool that I'm consistently ignoring everything you say, I'm probably just misreading every single post you make."

Just giving you facts you don't know how to handle, apparently.

Cause I've kinda run out of things he's done this game and haven't seen a single fucking towntell in the list.

That's because you are living with blinders on considering other people have been able to find me as Town just fine.

It's almost like the entire post you're responding to is asking what said people (read: Wisdom, and only Wisdom) are townreading.[/quote][/Quote]

I'm pretty sure other people are NOT SRing me because you're the only one voting me cheif.[/quote]

excuse me, I’m extremely certain I never said that i thought the way you interacted with me last night was townie, in fact I’ve maintained the exact opposite of that.

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excuse me, I’m extremely certain I never said that i thought the way you interacted with me last night was townie, in fact I’ve maintained the exact opposite of that.

In what world do I play this way as Jester?

did i say i think you’re jester? if you’re going to spout utter nonsense - regardless of whatever your alignment in this game happens to be - i’m going to call you out on it.

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excuse me, I’m extremely certain I never said that i thought the way you interacted with me last night was townie, in fact I’ve maintained the exact opposite of that.

In what world do I play this way as Jester?

did i say i think you’re jester? if you’re going to spout utter nonsense - regardless of whatever your alignment in this game happens to be - i’m going to call you out on it.

Then why did you stop voting for me? You're either reading me as Jester or Mafia, and you're not voting me so the obvious conclusion is...

???

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dude, i’m not going to continue to play these assinine mond games with you.

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i honestly don’t know what to make of you. i find some of things you say ridiculous but beyond that idk. wisdom’s saying one thing about you and Bingle’s say pretty much the opposite.

one thing strikes me is that Meg doesn’t seem terribly concerned about the votes on her where you get extremely upset but idk if either means anything or not, probably you aren’t jester and that’s all i’ve got.

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i honestly don’t know what to make of you. i find some of things you say ridiculous but beyond that idk. wisdom’s saying one thing about you and Bingle’s say pretty much the opposite.

one thing strikes me is that Meg doesn’t seem terribly concerned about the votes on her where you get extremely upset but idk if either means anything or not, probably you aren’t jester and that’s all i’ve got.

What is your read on Bingle? Because it seems like you are weighing both opinions the same. You said you were TRing Wisdom, but you also said that was your strongest read of the game.

So who cares what Bingle says about me?

that doesn’t mean I don’t take his opinions into account. i listen to everyone - including you.

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i was doing a lot of thinking last night and i’m pretty sure Meg is one scum. i initially had convinced myself she might be jester but eventually came around to scumreading her, so unless something changes, i expect that’s likely where my vote will likely go. i came around to mindmelding pretty strongly with Wisdom’s solve.

if anyone is interested in how i arrived at this conclusion, i’d be happy to case her.

my current solve is: town: me, Wisdom, probably Clemency, maybe LQ/Bingle/imaginality but leaning LQ
jester: imaginality/Bingle (outside chance of it being Clemency but doubt it)
scum: meg + imaginality/Bingle

i’m concerned that Bingle is so locked into his LQ solve here. because i think it’s pretty damned obvious that scum would try to play more like jester here and that’s part of my Meg case. her saying she was willing to die if Cakez flip red. that made absolutely no sense from a townie pov to make that statement, so i initially considered jester but it was way to blatantly obvious to be jester and here’s the kicker: ONLY if Cakez flipped red, so this way it never gets put to the test.

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Probably a dumb idea, but what if it's just Wisdom/Mystik here?

I'm not familiar with either of these players very well, but IDK why Wisdom ISN'T considering me as Scum at this point???

actually, this doesn’t sound like LQ is informed. that was the one thing i didn’t get, why he never considered this as a possibility.

Wisdom has the most nuanced reads, which is why he’s my strongest townread.

at any rate, i’d be pretty shocked if Meg didn’t flip scum here.

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I like you, bingle and LQ for

not mafia

.
Scumreads have been really bare this game for me.
I was hoping for some more movement on wagons to read into but it just hit dl instead.

Look at this readslist.

Meg lists four people not as town but as “not mafia”.

this is why i initially thought this could possibly be a jester read because it just seemed way too obvious but then i realized that list implies that the four of us has as much chance of being jester as town based on that list. so this implies either that either Meg is jester and doesn’t need to jester hunt and this is wifom or more likely it’s a likely tmi read, which would spew imaginality as her buddy unless her hypothetical buddy is also in that list. it’s also bizarre to me that Wisdom isn’t mentioned, when he is super obvious town here.

now i initially considered that Meg could be have tried to fake not being jester with her Cakez push but that seemed kind’ve whack. what struck me the most off was her offering to die if Cakez flipped red which i thought really bizarre.

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Ok but actually clemency hasn't done anything all game and claimed jester.

Looks like scum pretending to be jester.
It may just be jester but it's not town
VOTE: Clemency

This kind of close to Elim push always ends in scum favour
Just lim clem

Clemency is spewed not a Meg buddy with this, if Meg flips scum.

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If cakes flips red I'm happy to die to lower jester win odds

why does town ever make this post? it reads like i might be either noble town or jester considered the flip but the kicker is “flips red”, which makes me lean tmi and not jester.

because as we know Cakez flipped green, Meg isn’t required to stick to this.

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This kind of close to Elim push always ends in scum favour
Just lim clem

VOTE: Cakez

LQ do you want to just hammer Cakez, it's better than doubling our odds of getting jesters by keeping 2 people at the same count

this kind of blatant contradiction doesn’t make sense coming from town. Meg clearly preferred a Clemency lim > a Cakez lim but she obviously panicked that one of them would flip jester.

her specifically asking LQ to hammer makes it less likely he’s her buddy than either imaginality/Bingle.

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Reading people as not mafia is better because jester can perfectly imitate town.

Although I'm pretty sure I just named 3 random names

it’s the lack of nuance in those reads that is concerning.

why aren’t you trying to figure out who is more likely to be town and who, jester?

now you’re saying “random”? Are you saying that you lack utter conviction in those reads?

also how is Wisdom not in that list?

do you think he’s mafia? because i would think it’s totally bizarre he isn’t in there.

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VOTE: Bingle

Zzzz

care to explain this vote?

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I obviously don't want to die over jester but in a situation where 1 maf dies and we reach d4 town is likely to win

and you are certain Bingle can’t be jester here, why?

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You've said I've been "survivalist" and I don't think I have. I think if I was survivalist I wouldn't be posting this much, hmmm? Like, isn't Clem and Meg being survivalist if anyone is?

I don't know why you're even fighting this part of my read, it's blatantly obvious that it's true and MS was the one who convinced me of it.

You're fighting pretty fucking hard against being eliminated. Y/N

And in isolation being survivalistic is a very weak scumtell because town also does it. Here, it's a pretty strong antiJester tell. Like sure, Jester probably fights their lim a little, but to this extent?

yes it’s pretty obvious that LQ isn’t jester but that doesn’t make him scum.

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Wisdom what do you think? whatever Meg is, Bingle doesn’t look like jester if Meg is scum and he could be because he’s not reconsidering anything.

new solve: Bingle is scum with imaginality or Meg but then don’t know who’s jester but obviously not LQ.

is this possibly Meg!town limming her strongest scumread or a possible bus?

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All players that aren't mafia shouldn't be eliminated.

Further nuance is frankly unnecessary
Clemency and Bingle are low in reads, you are probably my biggest TR and lq is >rand town. Wisdom could honestly go either way.

Dislike bingle interacting with LQ

Why did you leave me off your reads? Hoping to drag me down with you as your buddy?

this sounds possibly tmi to me. why aren’t you having doubts on Meg’s allignment?

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All players that aren't mafia shouldn't be eliminated.

Further nuance is frankly unnecessary
Clemency and Bingle are low in reads, you are probably my biggest TR and lq is >rand town. Wisdom could honestly go either way.

Dislike bingle interacting with LQ

Why did you leave me off your reads? Hoping to drag me down with you as your buddy?

are you claiming scum here?

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Dunno im getting paranoid of meg being jester tbh
Her responses are bad

she could be jester, that’s what i’ve been wrestling with.

she is not being remotely survivalistic.

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But thats to be expected, scum want to look like jester when youre about to lim them
Ugh

it’s 2-2 now between her and Bingle.

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All players that aren't mafia shouldn't be eliminated.

Further nuance is frankly unnecessary
Clemency and Bingle are low in reads, you are probably my biggest TR and lq is >rand town. Wisdom could honestly go either way.

Dislike bingle interacting with LQ

Why did you leave me off your reads? Hoping to drag me down with you as your buddy?

Wisdom, what do you make of this?

imaginality hard trying to make us think he can’t be jester?

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One of them is the jester and the other two are scum

But who is it is the thing

yeah, that much is pretty damned obvious.

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Like i feel his frustration and its genuine

I'll reset and try again, but when I read it it sounded like panic and flailing.

UNVOTE:

why no reaction at all to Meg voting you?

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I want my scumcase against me of why my actions means I'm not town.

Because there's a lot of conjecture as to my motivations as scum but nothing that says I can't be town.

i guess it’s possible. neither imaginality nor Bingle had great reactions to you. I’d say Bingle’s is probably slightly worse because why is he talking about LQ but not you at all?

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yeah, that much is pretty damned obvious.

I thought you were townreading me. What changed?

you’re not saying anything about Meg’s vote on you, you’re only talking about LQ.

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@Bingle, why are you ignoring Meg’s vote on you?

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@Bingle, why are you ignoring Meg’s vote on you?

also you’re only reconsidering your LQ read right after Meg votes you.

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i lean to this as well but want to see what dynamics play out rn.

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sure you are

thats how i trolled too when i won

did we just lose?

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Probably a dumb idea, but what if it's just Wisdom/Mystik here?

Could be Wis, but I'm like 99% on MS town.

Not sure on Meg, she definitely fits as LQ partner and imagine partner.

MS picks the elim tomorrow and everyone sheeps no questions asked. It's the only way you deal with town not being a true majority.

well if you’re town, this isn’t good either because now scum only needs to kill one more town, so why did you self-hammer?

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I mean... I would troll that I was town as Jester here, but no.

You've got this MS, I believe in you.

no pressure right?

well, I think it’s not Wisdom or Clemency, so as long as I’m right on that, we still can win so long as we don’t lim jester but ugh if I’m wrong on anyone now, we lose.

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So now what do we do

What do you make of this

if Bingle flips town, very likely, Meg is more likely to not be based off of PoE. i don’t see scum self-hammering here, unless it’s literally Clemency and i don’t think it is.

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no pressure right?

I mean... It's a Jester game. There's no real pressure either way.

But seriously, you're the most solid townread in the game by far. LQ's not really wrong that there's a chance of Wisdom powerwolfing here. Just sheeping you is the way town has a chance of winning tomorrow.

being town doesn’t necessarily make me right though because if you’re town, i need to be right on two more and if i’m even wrong on one we lose.

i think Meg and especially LQ are less likely to be jester than imaginality but idk.

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Ok now that everyone posted

Bingle is not limd. I lied, it was e-2

you totally fooled me.

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i really need some time to think. i really thought Bingle was hammered.

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In fact I think bingle's reaction was faked to look like a town that was hammered which wouldn't be congruent with if they are jester

if Meg is town and imaginality is jester, we should probably be careful. no one put him at e-1 yet please.